My apologies for making quite the mess on your message wall, but I do have a strong urge to express my opinon on certain matters such as this.
In the end as much as I desired a private conversation with Ultima and the others, I do have some kind of irrational guilt regarding the past... Well either way I just want to express my opinion on the overall matter regarding the categorization of Tier 1 and all.
I can admit to being rather over talkative online when it comes to certain things, but in this case, I have a rather strong interest into observing the Tiering System Revisions, Matt.
The only thing I can do is simply observe. Forever watching as I observe things that interest me.
I do have a rather odd desire to talk to you guys again back in the wiki and still do although I do understand why you are likely doing this anyway.
> *sigh* My apologies for being subjective just the way I don't see how exactly Kratos and the others will be considered higher dimensional beings in the cosmology of God of War when the feats themselves contradict on how Kratos were assumed to being. I know it is a can of worms, but I don't think there is any official evidence that will imply it will be the case.
Still I can be quite harsh in my views of a person to which it is my personal opinion depending on the person in question, but I do think we should consider the fact on what has been established in the games especially the feats involving Kratos and the other beings that seems to be on a cosmic scale. Not sure about how I feel about on relying someone's views on that regard. The claims for Kratos being Low 2C or even 2C is not even back up by anything and is back up by assumptions on the state of being and ect,.
Honestly I not trying to attack Kep, but I do think using his own views of how those characters should be rated will clash with the continuity and overall setting of the God of War games series as a whole.
Let's be honest I thinking we should see what exactly we messed up on and see if it can make sense or not.
Honestly I see this as being something quite different in terms of how exactly the events were played out.
Again I not trying to hold a grudge, but you have to admit "what and why does Krato has this rating. Why do we even assume he is able to affect this structure?" In all out honesty, I don't think we should tried to appeal to emotions and how you feel about it, but to see the truth and objective of it.
Matt, do not tried to remove this thread as I voicing caution about the whole thing especially on what kind of assumpations is being used.
In all out honest, you should address my concerns to the others regarding this. It is not a absolute fact nor is it a the absolute truth. Still I don't think you should remove this thread out of fear of being rejected by me.
Do not tried to remove this thread out of fear nor out of "Oh let's not talk about this so I have argue against the upgrade since it opens a whole can of worms".
I still never get the chance to voiced my opinon on how the whole thing works out for that matter.
Anyway tbh, Matt, stop removing this thread out of fear of not being able to address these concerns of my especially regarding certain things.
After all, I did not came here to hate nor attempt to dislike someone based on their views, arguments, and ect,.
Also because the most compelling evidence that goes against the whole Kratos affect the entire 4 dimensional structure with his whole presence is the game itself.
Not only does Kep kinda ignoring the events of the God of War series, but he also ignore the games themselves are considered to being the main continuity. There is little to no evidence that support Kratos affecting multiple timelines without help as it ignores certain things.
Does this mean he can affect timelines on his own?
No at the very least, he might get one of the Acausality Type 1 ie. his past self was killed, but he was rendered unaffected by his past self getting killed in the progress.
Anyway sorry for any problems I might be causing here, Matt. I am seriously not trying to hate on any of you guys. It is just I have concerns about this as overall I tried to look at this from a objective point of view.
I not trying to harass you guys.
Admittedly I never did agree with that upgrade necessarily since it doesn’t help that we all talking a few cutscenes and dialogue in gameplay regarding the story and the lore.
It is a key point to consider.
Tbh my apologies for being a bit opinionated since I am kinda feel a bit bashful at the moment.
It has been tiring for me, but I will go very in depth for it.
If you and the others has the time since I want some opinion from staff members regarding my blog once I uploaded here or maybe in FC/OC Wikia.
Not only that, but I really do think certain people has completely overcomplicated the categorization behind Tier 1A although unintentionally.
I literally see no reason to put them in sub tiers that will qualify for this as all of this is so much debatable. It is just open a can of worms.
I really see a lot of opinions. Each one varied from one to another and right now centering around 1A when the original purpose of the proposal was meant to resolve issues with the tiering system that will factoring everything including metaphysics and science.
I not kidding.
It is far beyond the understanding of even ourselves as to imagine the supposed measurement of “power” as “power” is completely subjective in Tier 1A.
Also we all know just how bad it will get as I don’t get the change behind Tier 1A when this is completely overlook the fact it all centers around physics and all of that.
In fact, science has been a lot of guesswork and theories as well as other things.
Theories that can be tested and theories that can not be tested simply for the sheer impracticable of it all in the case of the latter.
Not only that, but are we dwelling around the lines of
Rephrased my own opinion regarding the debate behind the categorization of Tier 1A by add more words.
So to do a recap:
“I do disagree with the focus on Tier 1A as the cosmological structure is far beyond that of a regular multiverse.
Much Much further than that.
Dimensionless mean 0D IIRC and as such won’t exactly qualify for Tier 1A given their status To being well dimensionless as 0D has long since been theorized before I was even born.
In any case, I will just say this.
While I do agree with most of the proposal, the one nagging feeling about the categorization and definition of Tier 1A is most definitely the over complicated as most people will not even understand cosmology as well as I do as we are dealing with multiverse theories here.
As I implied earlier, I rather cautious about using mathematical terms in the sense of people having a general lack of understanding for those theories.
In any case, while I do agree with most of the proposal by Ultima, the categorization and definition of Tier 1A part is something I don’t agree with per se as it is alright for me to voice it out.”
“I still see we got supposedly Low 1A. While one can argue this is a argument of semantics, I now understand the appeal for it is rather lacking in term of design.
There is no true Baseline for Low 1A as scientifically speaking and legitimately speaking.
There is no mathematical equation in the attempt to explain it in a way that goes with infinite dimensional space ie. it is completely relevant for High 1B in the first place.
Now in regards to Tier 1A since I see people are severely discussing that particular part of the proposal to death.
I would recommend a new thread as the arguments back and forth is annoying with me trying to read it back given the fact I decided to reread the entire thread to broaden my perspective of the matter at hand.
While I look at this.
Now before anyone says anything, I do like to note that while the theory behind infinite dimensional space is there, it is.... Well how do I put it?
Severely complicated as a lot of work would have to been done if we decide to revise the tiering simply for 1A and as much as I hate to say it.
We do have some verses that is currently 1A at the moment.
Using Size in a 1A cosmological structure is... How I put it illogical and paradoxically speaking.
Yes it is true size can be used, but in the case of size being judged in higher dimensional spaces. Well... again it is simply not something to being used as at that point size is rather trivial to those beings.
I get that size is being used and all, but size is a measurement stick that should not be used in the case of higher dimensional as it is again simply that. A measurement to begin with.”
“Hmmm after reading into this much more carefully, the options in terms of scope mainly.
I honestly have to say no sway in the way of how the revised tiering system would work.
If worst has come to worst, we might have to keep Tier 1A and use High 1A as a way to merged with Tier 0 to account for the omnipotent paradox as I really have no urge to say anything further.
I hope you all understand that in the field of science and mathematics, there are logical paradoxes used there that will render Tier 0 completely null and void as it will be by extension of being High 1A.
As mentioned, option 4 seems to being able to account for Tier High 1A as it is causing me headaches for it.””
By informative definition, paradox is a logical statement that seems to contradict itself. It is a statement that, despite apparently valid reasoning from true premises, leads to an apparently-self-contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion. A paradox involves contradictory-yet-interrelated elements that exist simultaneously and persist over time.
Ie. in all respective fields of each studies, there has been a increasingly amount of paradoxs used in all respective that could be considered self contradictory and yes even in philosophy, it was described in this way:”
“But one must not think ill of the paradox, for the paradox is the passion of thought, and the thinker without the paradox is like the lover without passion: a mediocre fellow. But the ultimate potentiation of every passion is always to will its own downfall, and so it is also the ultimate passion of the understanding to will the collision, although in one way or another the collision must become its downfall. This, then, is the ultimate paradox of thought: to want to discover something that thought itself cannot think.”
I myself as a philosopher in every sense of the word value free will and everyone has different opinions.
In these extreme cases, ”ignorance is bliss” will be the phrase I will describe that one subject of the proposal.”
“ Okay now I starting to regret the fact we using votes in these options as it is painfully obvious we have perceived things differently here. Not only that, who is the heck is Akuto? Is it a fanmade character or a character that sounds like he came from Suggsverse?
It is completely coming close to the point it is derailed the thread to just oblivion.
It is off topic and simply has no purpose, but to deviate from the current debate which tbh I am completely neutral to as it is anticipated that people will not know how things will been perceive when it comes to Tier 1 stuff.
Yes, I have no true way around that will resolve this dilemma without forming a compromise that will be acceptable.”
“There can be any number of differences between reality and fiction in a verse. In one series it can be a dimension-like difference, in another it can refer to plot manipulation, and in another it can the difference between a 3D and 0D. So statements like that are arbitrary and we shouldn’t automatically subscribe to them to get higher results.
Ultima is correct in that we can measure outerversal things, but that does not mean reality-fiction statements or metaphorical ratio comparisons can be equalized since they don’t always mean the same thing.”
So let me get this straight due to how we seemingly will skim to the fact that the authors themselves will not necessarily care about the cosmological structure for those respective verses and are only trying to make a story more interesting and appealing to their readers.
I literally doing this from a neutral point of view as much as possible.
So to gauge “power” for those beings is rather subjective for the authors since they care little about the cosmological structure since the appeal of the narrative they trying to do is there for the readers.
Tbh as much as I like to add onto the fact we using such different views in terms of philosophical rationale of “reality” like Aristotle, Platonism, and other views incorporated into the tiering system is a bold move.
Yes, I have no disagreement toward the last thread on most of Ultima’s proposal which it is true. I do have a issue with people trying to deviate from the current debate regarding the tiering of Tier 1.
It is legitimately something that shouldn’t have happen as clearly there are argument towards against the categorization of the entire Tier 1 side while as not so much in terms of other things.
Tbh whatever you like it or not, Glassman, I honestly don’t see the purpose of people attempt to deviate from argue against or arguing to support for the changes regarding the entire revising of Tier 1 in the first place as it is.”
“Okay... So I just decided to reread the new thread and quite frankly I now seeing why people are forgetting something.
Remember when I say that theories can happen to science?
Same can applies to the studies of math itself.
So let me explain the error in the logic Ultima is using in such a situation to this as this goes back into the studies of mathematics and no... I not kidding. There is literally a study of mathematics itself to the point I have to taken into consideration about the views regarding infinity especially with the fact there are... lengthy debates surrounding the foundation of mathematics to the point there was a crisis
For instance, I gonna post this link which is gone into into depth about Hilbert’s problems that still persists to even this day
Before I got into depth about it, I will tell you that problems he has with Ultima’s logic:
1st The continuum hypothesis (that is, there is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers) Proven to be impossible to prove or disprove within Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory with or without the Axiom of Choice (provided Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory is consistent, i.e., it does not contain a contradiction). There is no consensus on whether this is a solution to the problem. 1940, 1963
2nd Prove that the axioms of arithmetic are consistent. There is no consensus on whether results of Gödel and Gentzen give a solution to the problem as stated by Hilbert. Gödel's second incompleteness theorem, proved in 1931, shows that no proof of its consistency can be carried out within arithmetic itself. Gentzen proved in 1936 that the consistency of arithmetic follows from the well-foundedness of the ordinal ε₀. 1931, 1936
3rd Given any two polyhedra of equal volume, is it always possible to cut the first into finitely many polyhedral pieces that can be reassembled to yield the second? Resolved. Result: No, proved using Dehn invariants. 1900
4th Construct all metrics where lines are geodesics. Too vague to be stated resolved or not.[h] —
5th Are continuous groups automatically differential groups? Resolved by Andrew Gleason, depending on how the original statement is interpreted. If, however, it is understood as an equivalent of the Hilbert–Smith conjecture, it is still unsolved. 1953?
6th Mathematical treatment of the axioms of physics
(a) axiomatic treatment of probability with limit theorems for foundation of statistical physics
(b) the rigorous theory of limiting processes "which lead from the atomistic view to the laws of motion of continua" Partially resolved depending on how the original statement is interpreted. Items (a) and (b) were two specific problems given by Hilbert in a later explanation. Kolmogorov's axiomatics (1933) is now accepted as standard. There is some success on the way from the "atomistic view to the laws of motion of continua." 1933–2002?
7th Is ab transcendental, for algebraic a ≠ 0,1 and irrational algebraic b ? Resolved. Result: Yes, illustrated by Gelfond's theorem or the Gelfond–Schneider theorem. 1934
8th The Riemann hypothesis
("the real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½")
and other prime number problems, among them Goldbach's conjecture and the twin prime conjecture Unresolved. —
9th Find the most general law of the reciprocity theorem in any algebraic number field. Partially resolved.[i] —
10th Find an algorithm to determine whether a given polynomial Diophantine equation with integer coefficients has an integer solution. Resolved. Result: Impossible;
Matiyasevich's theorem implies that there is no such algorithm. 1970
11th Solving quadratic forms with algebraic numerical coefficients. Partially resolved. —
12th Extend the Kronecker–Weber theorem on Abelian extensions of the rational numbers to any base number field. Unresolved. —
13th Solve 7th degree equation using algebraic (variant: continuous) functions of two parameters. The problem was partially solved by Vladimir Arnold based on work by Andrei Kolmogorov.[j] 1957
14th Is the ring of invariants of an algebraic group acting on a polynomial ring always finitely generated? Resolved. Result: No, a counterexample was constructed by Masayoshi Nagata. 1959
15th Rigorous foundation of Schubert's enumerative calculus. Partially resolved. —
16th Describe relative positions of ovals originating from a real algebraic curve and as limit cycles of a polynomial vector field on the plane. Unresolved, even for algebraic curves of degree 8. —
17th Express a nonnegative rational function as quotient of sums of squares. Resolved. Result: Yes, due to Emil
Artin. Moreover, an upper limit was established for the number of square terms necessary. 1927
18th (a) Is there a polyhedron that admits only an anisohedral tiling in three dimensions?
(b) What is the densest sphere packing? (a) Resolved. Result: Yes (by Karl Reinhardt).
(b) Widely believed to be resolved, by computer-assisted proof (by Thomas Callister Hales). Result: Highest density achieved by close packings, each with density approximately 74%, such as face-centered cubic close packing and hexagonal close packing.[k] (a) 1928
19th Are the solutions of regular problems in the calculus of variations always necessarily analytic? Resolved. Result: Yes, proven by Ennio de Giorgi and, independently and
using different methods, by John Forbes Nash. 1957
20th Do all variational problems with certain boundary conditions have solutions? Resolved. A significant topic of research throughout the 20th century, culminating in solutions for the non-linear case. ?
21st Proof of the existence of linear differential equations having a prescribed monodromic group Partially resolved. Result: Yes/No/Open depending on more exact formulations of the problem. ?
22nd Uniformization of analytic relations by means of automorphic functions Unresolved. ?
23rd Further development of the calculus of variations
So basically what Ultima has just say is being put against other theories especially with LordWhis who isn’t wrong in the fact that not many mathematicians will necessarily agree with the view that Ultima is presenting per se.
I honestly will agree with LordWhis regarding the fact that not many mathematicians will agree on certain things especially when it doesn’t concern them as much, but other than that, I will remain neutral overall.
"R = Real number (all real numbers). R^3 = the math behind three-dimensional, R^4 = the math behind four-dimensional, etc. R^Inf = the math behind infinite-dimensional.
R^R is basically uncountable infinite dimensions, which is like “pseudo-outerversal” and is definitely beyond-dimensional. It should be Type 1 BDE instead of “non-dimensional”.
As Ultima said the system even now is based on size, so all “oversized” quantities “those greater than infinite-dimensions” should be in the 1-A category."
Hmmmm it depends, but this is again doesn't just account for size alone. It also goes back to philosophy on how it was applied, Sera.
Admittedly I don't think that it is how it works exactly as R^R is basically say it is real numbers ^ real numbers which is actually countable infinite dimensions as it will fit the bill for Tier High 1B in the first place. Same can be said for R ^ Infinite which is another contradiction.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.....
So to attempt to do quantitative measure on Tier 1 A isn't exactly a good thing given most theories doesn't have a connection to one another necessarily.
in any case, you guys are basically back to square one."
Already we just confused two people with certain things that using a specific reasoning in the attempt to explain Low 1A.
I not blaming Sera for the confusion, but given how people keep changing sides is not only painful to watch. It is actually making it blatant that we gonna severely confuse people to what has been said in that thread.
Admittingly I begin to starting to dread the fact we confused people to the oblivion with the categorization behind Tier 1A."
"I don't see any problem with that, at least mathematically speaking"
For once, just pause and at least keep the tiering system that has been like revised a few times.
Keep in mind that even Nepuko is not getting the the drift we gonna face contradictories in the system no matter how you look at it.
So the best thing I can think of will be option 3 since we can account for the fact no matter how much you want at it as that Low 1A will be lumped altogether with Tier 1A mainly because the writers will not care less about the cosmological structure and more focused on the story and narrative they will intend to go for.
Interpretation wise and even logical wise, if we decided to keep the tiering system as fine as it is, we should more focused on redefining the Tiering System and keep Tier 0 as a merging with Tier High 1A.
Mainly because I can not see any difference between Tier 0 and Tier High 1A with the possibilities they more or so likely are in the same league as the rest. Complete transcendent to those of Tier 1A.
This is a direct response to Agnaa's confusion surrounding Ultima's particular statement which is this one:
"I think I've made my disagreement clear from the start over Ultima's statements of "Dimensions become meaningless past an uncountably infinite number of them", but I didn't have the mathematical background to argue against that point too much."
DontTalkDT is saying that it is literally meaningless in Tier 1A which legit reinforces the fact "Dimensions is meaningless past a uncountably infinite number of them" which is literally infinite dimensional space, Agnaa.
Not only that, but I think you might have misunderstood on how that goes especially with that particular statement from Ultima himself given the confusion in that thread is rather strong for normal people too.
Even I myself won't participate in the thread given my infinite ban there."
"In additional to that, it actually saddens me on the fact we have made no further progress on the thread given the clear multiple interpretations that is influenced by philosophical views on how "reality" works when it comes to any fictional setting.
Not only that, but even a philosopher like myself knows this is kinda limiting in the sense that we all have different thoughts on how it would work for the cosmological structure for Tier 1A as well as using a lot of assumptions using information from multiple theories that in some ways can clash against one another. Even myself will like to point out something.
I like to point out that using R^R^R is actually equivalent of saying it is finite dimensional space rather than infinite dimensional space now I think about it.
Mainly because using it like it being treated as a dimensional space is not only rather highly debatable. It also fuels the misconceptions it was originally tied to dimensionality in the first place which isn't necessarily the case given the principle is all in all a subjective thing to do.
Even using logic like that won't necessarily work in the field of philosophy due to the numerous debates and views surrounding certain things as I don't think philosophy did necessarily cover Tier 1A per se since the thinkers of the time usually make interesting thoughts about how reality works and all that.
Not necessarily about dimensions, but was more concerned about how our own universe works in a hypothetical scenario and ect,."
So to summarize my overall opinion of the entire thread for the proposals for the revising tiering system surrounding Tier 1:
"The current tiering system in my opinion is alright, but I more so prefer to just extend or at least add meaningful pages if we decide to redefine the current tiering system without much of a problem.
The R^R is basically Real Number with the power of Real Number turns out to being actually finite dimensional space now I give more thought to the whole R^R and ect,. thing since the principle behind it being tied to dimensionality is a thing, but not necessarily in the way Agnaa is thinking since I have to go back to my own books regarding basic mathematics and all of that stuff. Yeah in some ways, you can argue that R^R is tied to dimensionality given how it is with real numbers, but in the end it only served for a purpose of it turning out to being a finite dimensional space in the end.
For example, 3^3 (R^R) will be saying it is the 27th dimensional space while 9^9 will be over 2, 541, 865, 828, 329th dimensional space.
After further consideration with reviewing my knowledge relating to math, I now point out that using real numbers with the power of real number (R^R) will be saying it is the amount of finite dimensional space rather than infinite dimensional space.
My apologies if I did not make that clear enough so in the end, I have still decided to stay neutral regarding the debate as a whole for now with me saying I have no further saying on what the proposed tiering system will be by Ultima and the others.
Also give my regards to Venom Elite as tell him Alex says hello."
"Basically let me explain in a way that is easy to understand. In Fate Extra CCC, BB has a quote "It cuts through eight dimensions" whch can refer to anything. Spatial dimensions, worlds, timelines, and ect,. The reason for this is there are spatial dimensions that never considered to being higher dimensional per se. This also means that if they are actually 4D dimensions, they have to need some kind of quotes of time and space or something that implies that basically means space time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
Spacetime is a term used in physics and has been used in multiverse theories.
Edit: Yeah it is confusing like that, but from the way I look at it, I don't see any evidence that points to transcending 4D dimensions. Simply put it, each dimensions are basically 4D with context that supports it so to speak, but if there are no mentions of time, it basically mean it is a spatial dimension without time"
Here is my views as why it is not strictly 8D for BB's hax:
"Indeed. Anyway back to the topic at hand, the point I will be making here is that even mentions of space and time doesn't strictly translated to infinite 4D structure ie a 2A structure. The reason why we have Tier 2 C and 2 B is due to how physics work. The structure could contain a limited set of 4D space time continuums. However, in the case of Fate Extra CCC, I see no such mentions of transcending dimensions nor does it treat the dimensions as if they are higher transcending dimensions at all. Higher Dimensions could literally just be 4D and that is about it really.
In the case of Tier 1, that is where it gets a bit complicated. I think it has to involve transcend dimensions and all that stuff. The details is a lot more complicated due to specific multiverse theories that can involve tier 1 stuff and is also subject to debate as proven in the history of VS Battle Wiki."
Meaning 4D and possibly beyond of what we have see in the realm of science or should I say theoretical science.
However, then the first sentence is this: "In physics and mathematics, the dimension of a mathematical space (or object) is informally defined as the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it. Thus a line has a dimension of one because only one coordinate is needed to specify a point on it – for example, the point at 5 on a number line. A surface such as a plane or the surface of a cylinder or sphere has a dimension of two because two coordinates are needed to specify a point on it – for example, both a latitude and longitude are required to locate a point on the surface of a sphere. The inside of a cube, a cylinder or a sphere is three-dimensional because three coordinates are needed to locate a point within these spaces."
Basically speaking, BB is pointing out the minimum number of coordinates within a 4D spacetime multiverse or structure as I point out when I saw that quote "It cut through eight dimensions".
However, this doesn't have to strictly meant it is literally 8 dimensional space per se.
The way I cast doubts about this quote and only this one quote is that I will have to assume that BB need to get through certain coordinates to specify a point of interest so she can fused with the Mooncell.
A lot of what the Wikipedia article mentioned has a lot of theories and by that, I meant the theories that science has like the theory of General Relativity invented by Albert Einstein.
So far, there is little mentions of it being higher than 4D due to lacking decisive evidence that would help to pointing to it being the case.
The claims the cosmology of Fate Extra CCC is higher than 4D is quite rather hard to prove simply because of the concept of dimensions being quite well defined in theories that is quite hard to understand as there are certainly confusion for it. To transcend beyond the concept of dimensions entirely is simply could be argue to being 1A which is the very reason why we have that 1A rating thanks to DarkLK as I believe he was the one that help with improving the tiering system or at least create a version for the Tiering system based on the concept of dimensions."
Is based on those theories that Aeyu is firmly convinced by since I assume she believe it to be the absolute truth.
However, I will like to point out that isn't strictly something that is mathematical in its entirely since that isn't what Plato meant regarding his views of how Theory of Forms might work out since this involve philosophy and like to point out that it isn't necessarily the absolute truth since I seeing that Aeyu has convinced Ultima of her views on how 1A work.
I am uncertain regarding the Dark Tower revisions as this ties to misunderstandings and differing interpretations of how it might work.
Anyway this part is what have me concerned: "Exists outside of the Dark Tower in a void beyond that which Maturin resides in; Maturin himself exists in a void which lacks physicality/direction, and predates both the concept of time and the multiverse's existence as a whole."
However, this serves to prove the point that higher dimensional space that is actually independent of our 3D space.
Yes, I am aware that The Dark Tower are likely tier 1A, but then comes the problem of using the term "multiverse' as this term is open to interpretation as I say earlier.
I don't know how Aeyu has done it, but it look like she convinced some people regarding her views based on a scientific theory made by one Max Tegmark.
Which I like to mentioned it is a scientific theory in its entirety.
"No matter what being used in the end, a theory has just been used to attempt to simplify something due to differing views and opinions as this is shown in multiverse theories. Keep in mind, Max Tegmark has never say that his theories is 100% absolutely true and thus is subject to debate."
Basically I am saying that due to how Aeyu is using a theory from Max Tegmark doesn't strictly applies to all fictional verses so the authors that applied aspects of multiverse theories doesn't strictly mean they are truly mathematical since again, they likely didn't take that in account necessarily, but this is also case by case too."
Anyway, I hope the point I trying to get across comes through as I tried to look at this objectively while attempt to understand scientific things.
Anyway, I did indeed edit my comment a bit since I want to make a point:
"If you attempt to look at one way, then you will be overlook that it isn't strictly mathematical in nature of reality itself necessarily. At the end of the day, if you really think that is how Tier 1 stuff works, then I will exercise caution of using such theories in fictional verses since not all writers will do such a thing such as that especially the whole reality's nature is mathematical thing since I am aware of theories being used here."
I see there is a confusion here. I not trying to deny Gan of his Tier 0. The only issue will be whatever he considered as a transcendental being to the likely Tier 1As.
However, I am uncertain about the cosmology of the Dark Tower as it quite certainly puzzles me a bit. On one hand, if there is any statement that may imply they do indeed have a beyond dimensional structure, then this will certainly do. The only issues will be the need for a cosmology blog as I find it more appealing as it help to do well defined base research for the series known as The Dark Tower. I am quite frankly think there should be further clarifications on why we assume they have this Tier 1 A structure is what I meant. The more evidence that is needed for this, the better.
However, then I will consider the fact that a lot of people will interpret the cosmology of that fictional series. After all, DarkLK himself certainly has his own involvement into doing a creation of a cosmology blog.
The evidence will be so much helpful as I ponder about the details themselves."
Provide context on how different beings threaten the Moon Cell. Gilgamesh threatens the Moon Cell, but it doesn't mean his presence will passively destroy its Core.
Kiara gained control of the Moon Cell for a moment, and it's debatable how much control she even had. You fight BB once, at the end, and "why doesn't she use higher-dimensional manipulation in battle?" is exactly the same as "why doesn't she use Cursed Cutting Crater in battle and one-shot your servant?". Because the battle doesn't have much detail. Maybe she didn't have a chance and so on. We obviously know that she has the ability to view things from a higher dimensional perspective, which she would use to enjoy you struggling, since you were chasing her past self the entire game and everything you did was pretty much pointless.
If you view 4D the same way 3D beings view 2D, then wouldn't your perspective be 5D?”
The answer to this is a HUGE NO as this is taken out of context and likely to assume The Moon Cell is capable of emulating 8th dimensional space is rather absurd.
“even though 8D is only mentioned once, higher dimensionality is present throughout Fate. They are "real dimensions". Nasu has demonstrated the ability to understand the concept of higher dimensions. We see that when certain mechanics are described. That is manipulation of higher dimensions in Nasuverse setting.”
Okay that part needs to modified to being 4D, not 8 dimensional space.
Quite frankly I think you guys are being a bit too focused on that phrase especially the “8 dimensions” part as that part is left vague.
You truly can not just by default use 8D since BB did fused with the Moon Cell by taking down its defenses to weaken its authority.
This is something I think we can agree.
However, what I do think is that the assumption there is a High 3A or Low 2C scaling chains based on Fate Grand Order is not a good thing.
Again and again, I do not see of this as the structure is Tier 2 for the Nasuverse as a whole.
However, the continuity for the Nasuverse as a whole should be questioned as we assuming all the individual fictional series such as KnK and the other ones are connected to one another when this isn’t strictly true per se.
Then come the upgrade to High 3A and possibly or likely Low 2C being rushed without taking into consideration of the continuity for Nasuverse.
Therefore I question the rating for them to being that accurate in the first place
In the world of Extra CCC the Soul is redundantly stated to be an addtional axis of movement and is a higher dimensional plane, but meh."
That is not true per se.
None of those say that the soul is a higher dimensional plane nor a additional axis of movement at all. All it saying that it will digitize one's soul into the Moon Cell using advanced technology something that has been explored in Science Fiction and it certainly is a mixture of fiction and fantasy combined with elements of a science fiction.
Also what with the word "Concept" being used so frequently? Not only that, but the concept of the soul isn't necessarily 4D as this is certainly a interpretation ill suited for Fate Extra CCC which is this one:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3302437
Higher plane also doesn't necessarily translate to transcending dimensions per se. It doesn't go on about that.
Even now, the supposedly higher plane could just turn out to being just 4th dimensional space.
I don't think the person understand exactly how they treat this as it certainly not the case.
Hmmm I do think that Medaka Box and its cosmological structure should be taken a nice look into since it is certainly a series that never take things so seriously and sometimes has done it with laugh and giggles.
Do not attempt to hate a series just so you hate it. Read to your hearts' content and see what you can find based on what being mentioned.
The concepts of dimensions should be seperated from the other concepts. The reason for this as the concepts of the soul, mind, and body is restricted by the concepts of dimensions and as such they will therefore subject to debate.
I do not think that the soul, mind, and body of a being should be normally be considered as 4D or higher unless it is proven to being the case.
I think this person is on the right track regarding the dilemma of God of War cosmology and how Kratos is able to supposedly affect a 4 dimensional or 5 dimensional space as this is not something Kratos has been shown to doing.
Again and again Kratos only fight against Baldurs who is a 3 dimensional being.
To assume Kratos is a definite 4 dimensional being in terms of nature is not only impossible to prove, but simply put his very nature is that of a 3 dimensional being.
Also using a tree as a example that connected these realms is really ignore the events of the God of War games of its entirety.
Therefore the downgrade thread that was rejected for Kratos and the other beings should be considered open up again.
I don’t think Kep by any means is a fool, but he is certainly biased toward God of War and believe his views of what the character’s nature is that of being 4 dimensional beings to 5 dimensional beings is not only ignoring the scale and the events of the God of Wars, but what happened in the games to even be more important than his own views.
Therefore I suggest Kep to keep his own claims in check
Huh it seems something was going on while I stop interacting with people on other wikias (except for FGO Wiki) for awhile.
But anyway it seems Matt and specific people mistaken you as a sock due to your username being a bit similar to someone like one former staff member of VS Battle Wikia and you have a similar behavior from that person. Either that or you were mistaken as a troll.
The former sound more appealing to me.
Beside that, you should be unbanned by the staffs there hopefully.