Please, assume good faith! I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to understand what you are saying with your comments. If you take thatt as demeaning, that is your choice - but that is not my intention. Text is hard enough to communicate in without jumping to negative conclusions. Do not do take my comments negatively. I'm not here for drama, I'm here to improve Wikia. That means that if I criticize something you do: I'm not trying to put you down - I'm trying to help you build on what you've done. If it helps, pretend I'm a talking goldfish (or something equally silly) while reading my comments. ;-)
The only reason I brought up your specific coding was because I thought you were trying to use it as an example of styling and I was confused about what you were trying to do with it. Just because neither I nor FishTank can see what you're trying to accomplish with code (sometimes code isn't as obvious as it could be) doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing something bad, wrong, or evil. It just means it's different. That's why I asked for a clarification. For all I knew, that coding was supposed to make a unicorn fart rainbows all over the page. Just because I couldn't see it doesn't mean that wasn't what your code was supposed to be doing on my screen. I wasn't trying to beat you up. I just want to see things from your perspective. If I can see it, then maybe I can help others see it, too. Sometimes even people speakingwriting in English need a translator. :-)
The only reason I brought up the help pages was because you said earlier in the thread that you were inexperienced with the new infoboxes & CSS (most people are, it's not a big deal) and you said you were still trying to understand how the code worked. FishTank wasn't offering any resources to help explain his coding differences or where to get help with the CSS (he's usually pretty good about providing those links, but he was also slightly distracted). I'm not always on during Wikia's "normal working hours". In fact, I don't always check Community Central every day (heresy, I know, but look how long it took me to get back to this message). Therefore I posted a few places that might be helpful, just in case you actually did want help understanding your infobox. You're actually doing better with them than a lot of people. :-)
Since you said you had a problem with understanding how your infobox worked, it was important to determine where the coding issue was actually happening. It doesn't mean you're stupid. If it did, you'll have to get in line behind me, many other regular Wikians, and even some of the Wikia Staff & devs, for stupidest person award. I know that I've made my fair share of seriously bad coding mistakes before, and I'll probably make more in the future. I rely on others to point out those problems for me. The only thing our critiquing of your code means is that we're trying to eliminate all of the bugs in your code so we can clearly see the bugs in Wikia's code. ;-)
If you still need help with your infobox, all you have to do is ask. I didn't reply directly to your wall, because I didn't know if you had a reason for your coding (which is why I asked, I didn't assume). Also, I wasn't sure that your issue was purely with that coding. Besides, if I were to take sole responsibility for helping you code things, it might take quite a while to get things done due to messaging delays. That does not mean nobody will help you, especially if you ask them directly (although, if you did state that you needed more help in that thread, I would have taken it to your message wall). Just because I direct you to elsewhere, it doesn't mean you won't get an answer from me if you inquire further. It just means that I thought you might not want direct help, or if you did, you might get better answers more quickly if you read the links or posted a request in the forum. Even if it's ultimately myself or someone else from the thread answering you there (because I know others in this thread watch the forums and help out there, too). :-)
Like I said, I've got weird hours and sometimes FishTank is too busy and/or distracted for long responses. That doesn't mean we (your fellow wikians) won't try to help when we can. Explaining calmly and clearly what you want, or see as a problem, is some of the best help a programmer can get when designing a tool. So, please, come back and help us out. You're probably going to be either using or explaining this tool just as much as anyone else, so having your input would be a very good thing. :-)
By the way, I replied to your post on that thread. I've quoted it here for your convenience.
Because I usually use them like this (with meta templates that transclude infoboxes) which in that case requires #if or else it will force the images even with an empty field and out of habit and/or if I want to utilize the if functions in the field eventually, so I have been using it that way.
Actually, this is exactly what I wanted to know. And, yes, it does apply to the topic of this thread. What it tells me is that you are using #if instead of the <format> tag. Since the format tag is something that is part of the current styling system for a portable infobox, that tells me that Wikia needs to improve it and/or make its use more obvious.
First off thank you for bringing this to my wall, instead of fueling the thread (if intended or not the thread did evolved a bit negativitely enough where spectators are piping in). I felt bombarded, when I was not asking for help (I was offering another person the band-aide workaround I have been using that they requested from me - I was not saying "help me", I said "unless I have missed something you cannot have groups formatted as stacked, in a non stacked infobox") and for the thread I was offering insight on what limitations I found with the new infoboxes, unless I did miss something about having a infobox able to have stacked and non-stacked fields.
I do not need help with my infoboxes (with what options that is currently available), I said I noticed I cannot format groups <group layout=stacked> only <group layout=horizontal> using <header> tags instead of labels, in a non-stacked infobox, which unless horizontal groups is the only way but IMO is a band-aide.
But then it got into a #if phaser function tangent, which was NOT what I was asking help for - I wasn't even addressing it just happened to be in my cut/paste example of how I was using a group with a horizontal layout. If anything it was the one thing I am fine with.
Plus if you didn't notice people started to go out of their way to reply to the thread only just to say "stop derailing" like I wanted to have drama. I think FishTank should have either offered the help or said nothing and not end it with the insinuation to stop derailing. It is like someone j-walking across the street offering to hold your hand to cross but then just to tell you "you can't j-walk here", when you were only a few meters away from the sidewalk when you crossed.
It was not just FishTanks or just your response it was both and the fact they were publicly displayed like I was some sort of displaced simpleton getting disciplined. I actually help people on other wikis who have zero template or CSS experience (I do give them the disclaimer I am mostly self taught) but my unconventional way of using infoboxes is still very use to old infobox style and using meta templates that translucent infoboxes (I learned that way from first wiki dragon Age Wiki - which is a highly regarded wiki). And I get compliments on my wikis and how I utilize them, I thought I had at least enough knowhow to share my way of doing things and I felt like I got smacked up side the head - "go back to the drawing board noob".
Plus I had a member of the portability hub wikia Moviesign (they were great I basically learned from how they helped me upgrade), help me upgrade my infoboxes and they never said my #if phaser functions needed to change.
Also I am very aware of assume good faith I have been editing on wikis 6 years now and have admined for 4 wikis (1 I am a founder), and I did assume good faith for the first post but after the second (your follow up) I felt it was overkill/a gang up, plus community corner tends to have more trolls and flaming due to its traffic.
I'm very sorry that you've been injured by my words. I certainly had no wish to make you feel as I did, and I need to be more aware of my tone in a forum like Community. You're right that you were not asking for help, and while I'm accustomed to providing it that I should also be aware of when it's not needed. A better course of action on my part would have been to pull you aside and show you a thread like this one to illustrate my point. It's highly likely that Moviesign didn't realize that the #if parser will be useless where you had it.
As for derailing the Thread, I wasn't singling you out. You'll find that I've removed over a dozen responses from Shareif's thread, as his duties don't leave him as much time to police it himself. He hadn't asked me to do that, but I wanted to leave it nice and clean for him to come back to since I know his time is limited. Placing that plea inside my response to you was also not intended to be directed at you.
So, I'd like to thank you for your response; I hope that you will freely share your opinions, suggestions, and help in this thread or any on Portability Hub without fear that any of us will discipline you.
While I have no problem receiving pointers when it's appropriate (when I ask for it/my wall), it's just seemed that in that thread - when I didn't ask for it felt a bit undermining that's all. So thank you.
It is a good thing that people and staff on community corner are so eager to help and give advise, but I have been myself told off by other uncovential editors (even more unconventional than me) set in their ways, and so I usually try to accommodate their wishes (especially when it is their wiki/baby), so I thought it was more common here especially since most founders/admins find their way to community corner.
A few times a few pro-portability candidates come across in your face, upgrade or get lost, which has already been disheartening and off-putting for the newly upgraded unconventional editor, so I really do appreciate both of you coming here to let me know you had good intentions - I really do, I already feel community corner is intimidating enough (I rarely speak up over wikia content - cause swear I get just as much negative to rude feedback when I do).
Thank you for your reasoned reply. I'm not sure where you were seeing the negativity towards you on that thread. I did see some comments about "stop derailing the thread", but they did not appear to be aimed at you. I believe they were all aimed at the random comments being made by people who apparently thought that they were posting to some random chat room. If you go look, you will see that most of them have now been removed.
As far as mixing stacked and horizontal groups... AFAIK, since the 2nd groups update, you should be able to do this in any portable infobox. Compare:
Yeah, see how your examples are, I am not thrilled about how it looks style wise, so I did this  all non-stacked accept for video which is a horizontal group using header as a label and not using labels and another horizontal group with two sides for before/previous links using labels, leaving header blank as a break (which I may change). But I like that look, but it is a more tedious workaround.