You're not encouraging me, I'd already decided before messaging you, regardless of whether or not my account is deactivated I have no intention of returning.
The same reason a lot of people have quit recently, unhappy with how certain staff members act and how CRT's reach a conclusion solely through the power of staff members, I don't feel like going into specifics because I don't expect anything to change.
I appreciate not wanting me to quit, but if you can't remember the URL, can you please just perm ban me on the main site?
Yes, it is I. The leader of the Moon-Roshi movement, king of all things anti-VSB, other such exaggerated and egotistical titles. I'm messaging you here to ask you something. Why here? With all due respect, your staff team can be quite nosy, and border on the point of cowardice. They've talked shit behind my back many times. But back to the point, as much as the administration might paint me and my fellow Moon-Roshi supporters as the villains or something, we're just trying to help the wikia spread more accurate information about the characters it hosts. The only reason we're somewhat aggressive against the staff is because they're closed off to communication, and refuse to budge on anything without a massive uproar against them. I wanted to reach out to you, specifically, because from what I've gathered via digging around and talking to some of my Discord's members, you're the most level-headed of the major staff when it comes to issues. I was hoping to see if you would be open to some sort of interview, where you would be able to personally discuss some of the wikia's issues and other such important topics. Questions would be supplied by my members and myself, and it'd be either a full text interview, or on some sort of call that I could livestream. Message me back whenever you can, I know you're aware of some issues, and I'd personally love to, at least somewhat, clear the air on this whole thing.
My apologies, but I am not aware of who you are, and we already upgraded Roshi to Moon level.
I am autistic (socially awkward), have ADHD (have a hard time focusing properly on verbal discussions), do not like publicity, and English is not my first language, so I do not want to do any audio interviews, as I would not be able to handle them well.
However, you could send me some written questions if you wish, although I am constantly extremely overworked and distracted, so I cannot promise anything. I would also have to ask the other bureaucrats if they think it is a good idea.
Okay. I do not know. I am used to lots of people savagely attacking me out of nowhere for the last 6 years just because I handle maintenance work in a wiki, and I think that you mentioned a YouTube channel. I will ask AKM what he thinks.
Someone who is familiar with the Sword Art Online novel in Comic Vine showed me this:
(Probably because it's not true. It's 100% from someone who knows someone who's friend read a summary of the light novel once.
The entire universe of Underworld that we know of is a Sun and two planets. It's a pocket simulation. So even if a character shook the universe it wouldn't be more than solar system level. Though of course Kirito and the Abyssal Horror's clash doesn't shake the universe. There's a shockwave in space and a character describes it as "like the universe is shaking". He also doesn't do this at 20% of his power. There's a device on one of the spaceships that measures incarnate strength. It goes up to 20% when he fights the Abyssal Horror. It's like a power meter, not how much of Kirito's strength is being used.
There is no interstellar distance or solar systems. The two planets of Admina and Cardina are referred to as Stars, but are in fact planets. The context of this is clear if you read the novels. It takes 3 hours for the dragon craft to move between the two planets, not ten minutes. And the Abyssal Horror is only faster than them because it was drawing resources from space as well, leaving them with less spacial resources for their own crafts and slowing them down.
He never moves stars, the spatial elements that his Release Recollection gathers look like stars in the sky, as that's the entire motif of a sword called "Night Sky"
Underworld while a simulation still has HP values and you can ignore pain with Incarnation. Kirito is not the first to ignore losing limbs and he's not the first to regenerate them either. Pretty much any injury in Underworld can be healed with enough spatial power. That's probably Kirito's greatest strength in any vs fight honestly.
Of course none of this was done by Star King Kirito. We don't actually know how strong he was, as he never actually appears bar a few minutes of conversation in the real world.)
(There isn't a galaxy inside of Underworld, even if it appears to be so. While it's a simulation it's still created with the SEED, and thus is limited to data like any other game in the SAO universe.
Ten minutes is only the amount of time since they've left the planet not the amount of time it takes to travel to the other planet, again not solar systems. And the official translation actually uses one hour not ten minutes.
The Underworld Space Force was required to follow rules and regulations to the letter, but even their spartan instructors would be unable to monitor outside of the atmosphere. Plus, the three hour journey to their destination, companion star Admina, meant that minor mishaps were well expected.
On the subject of stars, it might help if you actually read what you're arguing about instead of taking lines of text out of context.
To protect this world and everyone living in it, it would seem that Kirito was now locked in a showdown against Emperor Vector, or Subtilizer. After fighting and fighting against scores of impossibly strong enemies, it would seem that now he was summoning the final bit of strength inside him.
If that’s true, then please — carry my spirit over to him as well.
Sinon prayed, looking earnestly towards the sky through eyes wet with tears. A tiny blue star directly above her head twinkled for a moment.
Or this passage
Issuing a clear, somewhat bell-like, somewhat harp-like sound, the stars congregated towards the southern end of the world. White, blue, red, green, and yellow light left long, thin trails as they traced out an enormous rainbow in the night sky.
Instinct told Alice that these stars were the power of the spirits of everyone living in this world.
Or this one
A brilliant golden star was released from her left hand, and then it flew directly towards Kirito’s sword.
None of them are actual stars. Or are you going to claim Asuna can create celestial bodies by crying? Prologue III is barely 15 pages, it shouldn't be this hard to read it and not take things so out of context.
So if what this person from Comic Vine is telling the truth, then we need to fix Kirito's profile. Unfortunately, I couldn't visit VS Battles Wiki to address this to anyone of the moderators since I'm still banned from that website. Do you mind passing the message for me, Antvasima?
Roshi's power level was 139 Battle Power when he destroyed the moon, making him the first Dragon Ball character to reach the speed of light.
Goku had a power level of 3,000 Kilis as the highest power level ever recorded in the Dragon Ball manga.
According to a 2004 V-Jump issue, 1 Kili = 50,000 Battle Power.
So if we multiply 50,000 with 3,000, then Goku would have a power level of 150,000,000 Battle Power.
I have already determined that you need a power level of 139 Battle Power to be considered the speed of light, so if we divide Goku's Battle Power with Roshi's Battle Power, then Goku would easily be 1,079,136.690647482 x FTL (MFTL+) speed.
Despite me going off the rails on Godmodes wiki fandom today, i wanna say something you and a couple others are the only person I respect and the thing was more that I wasn't mentally ill or anything and despite me never being allowed back on Fandom it's more than likely that i wil just continue doing something else, either way it's more that i just wanted to say bye to you and that's it. Really, also i was trolling since i came into fandom everything i did was a troll, I'm not mentally ill or that I don't have friends infact I'm quite a popular person and I'm very happy the way i am. Anyways goodbye (Again)
Last Time in a While Of a Very Long Minute I’ve mainly heard that the main problem of me returning was how frequently my and other requests were being poured in while other things were happening so you suggested I find something to do until then or abandon the community entirely and find something to do. So I waited and waited and expanded on other places like Amino, Discord (somewhat), YouTube and Etc. Is there some way I could return? You, DarkDragonMedeus and few others even admitted A permaban was over the size of the plate. Is there an application, letter or some process I could run through to eventually stop by?
A Google Sheet? I don’t recall. When was Blitz confirmed to be me? (ZaStandoBoi) who told you, ShadowWarrior?
I don’t exactly know what Medeus is talking about with the post on Blitz’s thread either (if it exists to begin with). I only ever knew about him through what other people told me had happened to him.
If anyone talk about the accounts I made i’m Pretty Sure the Accounts I Made were to clarify things? Others were people doing a lot of projection and impersonation. There were three socks I made and they weren’t exclusively meant to evade bans, Dr Autism God could vouch.
I could probably post more if I did some searching but yeah. The Majority is bent on Sock related stuff (which I could understand) and others aren’t aware of the exact details of my whereabouts on this thing like “I’m Blue”
Even if you doubt the doc and Me not being Blitz (somehow)
ImagineBreaker is still off the list.
Extra: Someone is Changing the Sonic Profiles, I have nothing to do with that, as I’ve said I am growing on YouTube and other places, people likely adopt certain things and do malicious things with it. I do apologize for that but I don’t know what to do, I don’t even know who’s doing that.
Yeah I’m aware I had made several accounts but were they not used to circumvent bans, I believe I only used one for Character Stats and Then Omniversal Battlefield after my Main Account got banned, nothing ground breaking, I had a ton of accounts I didn’t use, I’m Pretty sure IMB already mentioned before I had a ton Of Accounts, keep in mind I did use/create some for case cracking purposes as we already know. Also did you check to see if the accounts being referred to (Blitz and TMB) has the same email address as me? Isn’t that what this is all about? Why bring up me having alternative accounts? A lot of people has them, and I make it obvious it’s me E.X. ZaStandoBoi, ZaStando27ByThe11, Etc. It’s still too iffy. Also could I see the confirmation with the specific accounts involved?
Well, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to publicly share the official spreadsheet. And we don't quite know the specific EmailAddresses. We not given any Example@Gmail.com or anything like those. But there are a list of Fandom accounts and XenForo accounts from Fandom using the "Same Email Address. The examples, ZaStandoBoi, BlitzSevenTeen, and TheRedEyeOfChaos are all created using the exact same Email Address.
They were all called ZaStandoBoi on Xenforo due to the latter not allowing more than one account created via same Email Address. I have checked ZaStandoBoi's contributions, this comment did mention being you. And I know it was created just to clarify certain things, but the next person, BlitzSevenTeen. Which was made using the same Email address tried to say he wasn't ZaStando. But the Email/Xenforo checklist matchups contradict that statement.
I mean no harm, but I just came to clarify those specific details.
ZaStandoBoi is definitely mine, but Blitz? Nah, and Redeyes did message me a few months ago but they’re related Or the Same is off my hands.
And a Spreadsheet? Is it constantly reading data and measuring certain things and when? Is it random? I’ve seen spreadsheets before, just tell me the emails that are or are possibly related to me.
Also where’s Imagine on this?
Also I have doubts on the Xenforo thing since months ago I tried it and There were no Fandom tracks at Base or on Forums, You look up ImagineBreaker and you won’t find him, this could be because there’s a glitch? Or they don’t exist on the System.
If they are right I should see multiple things from multiple fandom users on those emails on the spot.
How is it possible to create multiple users using one email anyway?
I just want the source on read. But to all the same I understand this scenario, I wasn’t the best guy in the history books until a certain point, I was a bit toxic and rude, I genuinely feel remorse but if it has to be this way then alright.
It was a Spreadsheet made by Fandom and shared to the Bureaucrats of the Vs Battles wiki showing us a complete list of accounts created using the same Email address. They do know Email Addresses given it's what they check for secure accounts. ImagineBreaker was not on the list, so his account was clearly made using a different Email Address, but ZaStandoBoi, Blitz, and Redeyes are all officially shared the same Email Address, though they were made separately from the EmailAddress that made ZaStando27 and ZaStando27Bythe11. And people are generally suspicious people happening to give one of their Email addresses to other people unless you're relatives or close friends living in the same house.
Xenforo is the name of the platform/tool used to create the new forums.
Yeah, only I’ve used Xenforo to a Certain Extent. No one else I know (to my Knowledge anyways) has one.
1. If you don’t know the specific e-mail address then this becomes problematic I’ve seen the Fandom Admins at the Playground, they are simplistic, predictable and don’t always get the Details right.
2. ZaStandoBoi should only be Connected to me and the other accounts I mentioned in the tracks If there are any actually found. People in VsBattle and Fandom In General has made Dupe Accounts in my Name even those who would be my fans (why the fans? Don’t know) but some of the aggressive that tried slick sh*t with me on other wikis did Vanish for some reason.
3. In the Time you guys were packing data and certain things I made a ton of accounts and added security, specifically in ways linear checking wouldn’t just check out I don’t know anything about This ZaStandoBoi, but likely it’s an entirely different one. Yeah I’ve only been with Imagine in the Same Location for a bit (we mingled that’s when we got to communicating via email).
Also I did some looking around, the original data of my comment as ZaStandoBoi was deleted in the same comment link you gave me; Do you know how bad that is in this kind of Situation? We could have Linked the Comment to my Profile Page On the muah ZaStandoBoi Page and Traced it Down.
And I checked the vsb site my dude, most of those profiles especially ZaStandoBoi was Long Outdated and if we’re going by that page, yikes.
Anyways ZaStandoBoi cannot be Connected to Blitz and/or RedEyes unless there was another “ZaStandoBoi” in the Midst made by one or the two but that would also be a bit strange but not as strange as the weird accusations people have made when trying to link me and Imagine and how aggressive the methods made out so I think this should be tried.
This would also be a hard case to crack as Vsbattles Wiki even before the moving had Security Flaws, if someone set their preferences to the right figures and acted forthcoming, Even you commented you wouldn’t even have an edit count shown. Like I said I made tons of accounts I’m not doubting that, however only 1-4 of them I had allowed to go through and as I said those had non-malicious goals and motives as to solve certain things in the wiki on me or something Connected to me. One of My Other Accounts is SipDip27@gmail.com, That’s not hacked because I’m only seeing one fandom account, You should do a recheck or something on things as they stand currently.
We received a list of duplicate email account uses from the people who set up the new forum, and the list was very reliable.
No offense but that’s surprisingly redundant and vague, it’s the lack of solids behind it, I mentioned a few problems above, Hell they didn’t track down other accounts I’ve made, they don’t locate the specific e-mails rather they give a possible link up. I’m not correlated to Imagine but I’m somehow linked to Blitz and RedEyes? I call false. I could check if any of the related people have duplicate/boop bop accounts. But of course I have duplicate accounts, never denied it. But I know the accounts I use to an exceptional level. The list is only reliable to someone with a simplistic way of thinking and the forum itself seems to have a lot of outdated stuff.
Forget it, At least people can’t call me TheImagineBreaker121212 anymore.
I have slipped into Fandom and made Accounts from Elsewhere and used different social platforms, this current account is the only one really recordable. The list doesn’t even tell you the exact e-mails, and the necessity things on fandom in Vsbattles Wiki was deleted or moved for the most part.
So no matter how those supporting the arguments for using multipliers to dimensional tiering would put it, it is basically a mistake//inconsistency to even use merely logic alone beyond the 4 dimensional spacing because it requires metaphysical reasonings and not the kind of reasoning that applies from a purely mathematical standpoint (which is another argument for another time).
I didn’t came here for all sudden this discussion to being rise from the grave once more just for it to being upheaval from those using logic on a pure mathematical standpoint.
Don’t believe me? Then look up multiverse theories that didn’t came from purely mathematics in the first place.
It was definitely a misconception that should been rectified from the Tier 2 and Tier 1 sitewide revision thread.
We not gonna let that happen simple because it is illogical to ignore the scientific and philosophical aspects.
“ Actually the example doesn't really work because I tried a simple back-of-envelope calculation and found that if someone is able to destroy 2 solar systems (i.e. baseline 4-A) at a certain power level X, he will be able to destroy actually more than 4 (in fact ~5.65 ) solar systems with a power level of 2X if the spatial density of solar systems is assumed to be uniform.”
In order for you to destroy more than 1 solar system, you usually have to account for the light years rather than using random power levels that doesn’t make sense in the first place.
Also distance between one solar system to another’s solar system is measured in lightyears.
"Now back to the Persona Thread: "I think at this point it seems that 2-C Palaces has more support for it than not. The only other major thing is if Umr scales to 2-B or not and who scales to him. So basically waiting for any mod not already given their opinion on the thread to disagree with 2-C palaces (otherwise this should go through just fine), and official pronouncement on if what Umr does actually constitutes 2-B before any more discussion can go on. Most of the other issues were essentially agreed upon more or less.
If there is disagreeance with the other minor things then the minor things can also afford to sit in limbo whereas major things like 2-C palaces and 2-B Umr are much more integral to the verse and should probably reach some conclusion.
The Palaces are arguable still in question since I didn't see exactly evidence of the Palace being you know Low 2C. If they are strongly treated as a Pocket Dimensions, then that is a different story altogether as the Persona series overall was a in general mess.
Even if they are supposedly being Low 2C, they actually being a part of this Low 2C structure assuming it is the case. Basically think of the Palaces as something that being contained in this Low 2C structure rather than the other way around.
Also I not sure about the Sea of Souls as there are conflicting arguments regarding that too.... Even the evidence doesn't seems to suggest the sea of souls is the same thing, but I could just easily argue that the Sea of Souls is contained within this.... metaverse.
Also now I think about it, since this related to it being Persona 5 as the concept of Palace only made its appearance in Persona 5....
The previous Persona games never mentioned the terminology of Palace up until Persona 5... Now I think about it. Since this does affect the entirety of the Persona series, I will say that using this Palace argument is basically trying to connect all the previous Persona games from scratch as this is a unintentional retroactive change of applying the idea of Palace to the previous Persona games as any evidence of this seems to stem from the Persona game( 5) themselves and are unique terminology that even I can not ignore myself at this point.
“ After careful consideration, I beginning to think it is more or less in Tier 2C range, specifically the Low 2C.
To explain this, the Many World Interpretation does allow a finite 4D multiverse to being exist especially since I realized they didn’t give us any exact numbers of universes therefore it is between Low 2C and 2C range due to how it seems to rely on a singular wording rather than parallel.
Especially with the case of the Nasuverse’s cosmology”
As quite frankly I starting to see how it is basically a multiverse, but in the way it is super focused on a singular universal space.
"This is a space that was created by the incredible power of King Teresa (King Boo in the West) in a place from outside this world! Are you brave enough to fight there?"
Not only is this vague, but even the wording "outside this world". How the hell did we use a single scan that came from King Boo's feat in a video game? Once again, I will appreciate the origin of where you get that scan from."
Okay so far, DatWeebOne doesn't' really make any sense with this. We talking about the Lugi Mansion games. How exactly is that false comparison when we have evaluate every single action that was taken by King Boo himself?
Not only that, but this thread has devolve from its original focus on the rating for the Mario Franchise overall.
In any case, I like to note that we give too much special treatment for the verses in question as anything can been under full informal investigation.
If we ignored the full context of the feat that occurred with Beerus and Champa as the destruction of two universes (in this case), it wasn't even a immediate feat, we see the two don't keep destroying a universe every time they clash (Which is also another argument for another day).
ALso treating it as a purely 2C doesn't violate the tiering system, but rather make a unique case for this one.
Scientifically speaking, every mathematical principles has been applied to multiverse theories ie. cosmology theories unto itself so the arguments for it being 2C is actually a weak argument to begin with.
The reason is, Beerus and Champa's combined power/clash threaten to destabilize the space time continuum of two universes basically mean they are willing to go for it except it is through a chain reaction instead.
"Agree, although would the feat be considered baseline or above baseline? The universes in Dragon Ball are much bigger than our own, the Living World is meant to be as big as our universe and the Afterlife is around the same size, both of which exist in their own separated dimension.
So like if destroying Universe 7 count as 2x times above Low 2-C, then destroying Universe 7 and Universe 8 would count as 2x times above 2-C."
Not necessarily. You see here, the multipliers weren't exactly accepted as there is no true numerical value for Low 2C and Tier 2C as quantum mechanics actually involves all mathematical principles such as divisions, multiplications, additions, and subtractions... So even from this point of view, the argument is even more.... Lackluster compared to more scientific view of certain things.
In regards to DBS's cosmology, I actually want to make further clarifications due to how confusing this is:
Timelines can been contained in a universe, not the other way around. This is because multiverse theories actually does involved quantum mechanics consistently has to have multiple universes = multiple timelines in such rare cases such as this.
Anyway, in the case of Future Zeno nuking a universe of that timeline, yeah he pretty much did nuke that future's universe timeline to oblivion, but the present timeline wasn't exactly 100% affected by it too.
DatOneWeeb arguing that Reddit is a inaccurate source isn’t a valid argument.
In additional to that, the claims that a website can not been used is a double standard given how VS Battle Wiki literally had its own group of translators.... Not a valid argument period and I would call this a double standard as that is just cherry picking.
Also completely ignoring on what actually happened in the games for the Mario Franchise can been used against DatOneWeeb.”
Also in additional to that, Ultima Reality is giving a neutral opinion on this since he is basically not leaning towarding Glass nor Earl, but giving his input about the currenting rating of the Cosmology of Blazblue (which is still in debate for that matter)
“ The background for King Boo's dimension is space, pretty clear cut.
Does it scale to AP? Durability? Hax? Is it even an applicable for an offensive purpose? Don't know, don't care. All I know is it's space, saying it isn't is extremely dishonest and saying it isnt just for the sake of it.”
That argument is the exact same thing as before.
It is literally already in question at this point and has been discussed to death already.
Every time someone mentioned transcending, usually that would mean 4D or higher.
Also using the same points that Ultima Reality made, I can easily argue that transcending beyond time and space being 4D rather than 5D instead.
This is because the boundary isn’t being treated as a 5D construct at the current moment.
In fact, it is a construct that connects all dimensions aside from the ones that are 3 dimensional object.
At the same time, Ultima made the argument that 2A would been the best argument for Low 1C if it wasn’t for the fact we have numerous statements from the Blazblue’s cosmology that has contradictory evidence that point to it being not Low 1C.
Not only that, I have to disagree with Ultima Reality’s views regarding if it should been treated as Low 1C as there has been plentiful of scientific theory regarding multiverses.
In this case, I also not so confident to say if Tier 1C is even close to being accurate as that is the highest liberal interpretation possible.
Note I not arguing for a downgrade just yet, but do realize the writers of Blazblue itself has use cosmological theories before in their very own works. Yes, they even wrote the scripts for the games itself.
Also I am unsure if the statements relating to how transcending time and space would been valid given the polarizing evidence from the blog Glassman provided.
“ Ah, I remember that thread. Yeah, it just seems like he was arguing that the scene wasn't actually talking about Iihiko having higher-dimensional power, hence why he talked about how it may have been just referring to "The ease of tearing paper, and not a higher-dimensional being seeing lower realities as drawings."
Although, the whole argument was very strange, given how he seemed to flip-flop between bringing up the possibility that the scans didn't actually refer to literal higher dimensions and then acknowledging that they were indeed referring to higher dimensions.”
Actually I disagree with that as DT was talking to Fire about the Tiering Revision thread made by you, Ultima Reality, as I also remember that particular thread.
You basically having contradictory thoughts currently as it seems to being off topic.
I actively disagree with Low 2C palaces as not only the statements and the scans disagree with what the OP is arguing for the Persona CRT, but it is legitimately referenced to pocket dimensions rather than full on universes.
Also in additional to that, I like to point out Cal went Neutral, DarkDragon is neutral, Dark was neutral, and also Dagroo, Matt, and those that disagree has a fair point.
“The Low 2-C Palaces are logically sound and are supported by the majority of scans. The only actual issue is that the interpretation can be thrown off severely if we posit the idea that the phrases "parallel world" and "alternate reality" don't necessarily refer to universes, despite direct allusion to the many worlds theory and many allusions to hindu concepts of the universe.”
While it is true one of the scans did reference the Many World Interpretation, you did stated the original material source for where you get the scan.
The OP may have used scans, but we talking about not just Persona 5, but the entirety of THE Persona franchise.
On further notice, until we get to find the original source material for these scans, then I am aware I have to fully disagree with the OP and those that support him.
I done some corrections as I am curious on how the continuity of the Persona franchise is treated.
Here to summarize the following claims made by the OP:
1. He is assuming the Persona games are actively connected to one another when this isn’t necessarily the case.
2. If any kind of evidence in regards to the continuity of the Persona games has active contradictory evidence that runs against one another (which there is), then quite frankly I have to inform everyone that the Many World interpretations does allows Pocket Dimensions to exist therefore I would make a personal exception for this regard.
“The argument here is that Palaces are reflections of the real world as a whole, including external areas that are not immediately warped by their owner's worldview, and the first scan showing that this can extend into outer space-like areas is supposed to prove that the Palaces mimic the universe in general as opposed to just their immediate surroundings, yes?
If that's the case, then I'd be fine with saying the Palaces are Universal in scale, though I don't exactly understand why that would be Low 2-C and not just 3-A, given how the difference between the observable, spatial universe and the spacetime continuum as a whole is... Well, pretty big, and I'd want more evidence that Cognition extends this far.”
Im regards to this, I literally disagree with everyone using double standards.
Also Ultima Reality say this:
“ It doesn't exactly seen to be attack happening in zero time, though, considering the scan shows a decimal expansion after the first digit, instead of just labelling it as "0" from the start, in which case, it'd be just a number that infinitely approaches 0 but never actually reaches it.
If that's really the case, then it'd be still an Infinite Speed feat, in my view, considering that the usual speed equation would just take the form of the limit of S = D/T as T → 0, which diverges into infinity anyway.”
He is describing how the instance of the chapter it was shown.
In additional to that, I see that the users are actually using double standards as just using Ultima Reality’s word isn’t enough for it to necessarily qualify for Infinite Speed.
Please do not misread on what he say and then straightup used head canon based on what is directly shown to us and stated to us.
Also it could been most likely time manipulation going by the visual efforts, but the knowledgeable members has outright disagree over every thing because of that.
My apologies for singling out this comment, but I am afraid I literally disagree with this assessment.
Every time people think of infinite possibilities, they don’t alway means infinite universes as that is just being meaningless without further context.
In any case, I actually have to say that Weekly should know better than this to brought up every multiverse theories that has been formed over a time span of decades for that matter so I don’t appreciate that derailing comment.
The Collective Unconscious is the source of everything, retroactively existing before anything, even before sentient life, despite being created by human minds. There are countless physical worlds, as there are countless mental worlds. This is elaborated by Maruki saying everyone has a cognitive world, with no exception. Yusuke confirms this. The CU holds these countless mental worlds, as said by Maki.”
Milky Rocking Bandit has made a claim about the CU existing before sentient life.
That isn’t remotely true in the slightest. This claim made by Milky Rocking Bandit is a false claim since we literally have more than just that one screenshot that was used to fit his narrative of the Persona 4’s Cosmology.
Also to further drive in what debates has always been about:
Using logical reasoning against one another using statements that is backed up by evidence, the emotion, and well... Really anything else really.
We are so used to debating to the point we have folks clashing against one another using logic that needs solid basic such as evidence, how to resolve those contradictions, and have all parties agreed on any topic.
Anyway while this is admittedly off topic, I have to say this does apply to debating in general.
For at least over hundreds of years, we have debating exist to resolve any contradictions that is made by both parties.
This Persona CRT is no different from what we have seen before.
Sera EX, Dragon, Ultima Reality, and well myself already knew this.
“This scan here mentioned the Yggdrasil tree being connected to nine worlds as as mentioned about how he refer to that set of universe(s), which is yggdrasil, being a part of the infinite numbers of universes ie. the multiverse that contains infinite number of universes.”
“Also he was very specific about "your personal cosmology" which again it directly references to Yggdrasil still contain the nine worlds/universes as in this case, I will interpret it as it being a part of Tier 1 structure ie. the Yggdrasil Tree being 2C being a part of the Tier 1 structure.. You see here that since this involves the overall cosmology of Marvel, I am respectfully considering the Yggdrasil tree to being more of a part of this Tier 1 structure given how the professor in question mentions Quantum Metaverse although he then mentioned it is more like a term that isn't used and settled on so that is up in the air for that matter.”
I not gonna repeat myself every time someone claims Low 1C every time.
"I'm not sure about that. Here's the quote:
The Asgardian World Tree is kind of a map, okay? The Nine Words you recognize as being a part of Yggdrasil are just the tip of... a maybe Infinite Iceberg.
The Infinite Iceberg is Yggdrasil, and the Nine Words are just the tip of it. I mean, his point here is literally that there is more to Yggdrasil than the 9 realms.
The cosmologist in question didn't just refer to Yggdrasil nor did he directly mentioned Yggdrasil.
Do not take things out of the context as the claims made by this user is what I deem as questionable.
The individual in question didn't mention that Yggdrasil connected all the dimensions when you put it that way.
Anyway now that is out of the way, inform all parties in that CRT, that I am currently investigating the claims made by each users and see if their interpretation is valid or not.
As I do not support this Yggdrasil being supposedly Low 1C that is being claimed by the users in questions.
“The previous amount of realms of Yggdrasil have since then been retconned, and it's revealed that there are more than ten realms in Yggdrasil, as Odin hid its true size.”
That isn’t strictly true at all. You already alleged that the statements retcon each other when that isn’t necessarily true.
You see here, what you only did.... Reinforcing the statements that Yggdrasil by its own cosmology is connected to other myths and legends from different religions.
That claim is not only a bold proclamation, but a misinterpretation by Supreme_odin.
You actually begin to disagree with what was stated and shown to us.
Do not make a claim on the level that say “But.. my statements from these scans. They are contradictory evidence” when that isn’t necessarily the case.
You already supported the notion that Yggdrasil is connected to other myths and legends as you actively contradict yourself with these statements.
Also all these scans you posted.
You (Supreme_odin specifically) already cause more problems than solutions using your own logic especially when it comes to multiverse theories as that is your own headcanon of the very evidence you shown to us.
Also you didn’t bothered listing feats for any of the Skyfathera that is named and existed.
That is more or less a problem that needs to being addressed
Do you understand how huge the universe is? You would not be able to destroy the universe in a timely manner whatsoever if you're just 4-B (Or 4-A or 3-C for that matter).
There are like 2 trillion galaxies in the universe, with hundreds to thousands of solar systems in your average galaxy. Even traveling at MFTL+ speeds and constantly outputting your highest energy output without it ever waning, along with never sleeping or taking a break, it would still take like decades of doing nothing but destroying solar system after solar system to destroy the entire universe.
Elder Kai's statement clearly implies that the destruction of the universe (and this is all of Universe 7 btw, not just the physical universe) is imminent, and so you would need high 3-B to 3-A levels of power to do such a feat.
As for the "Galaxy statements", it is possible, and even likely, that by "galaxy", they are referring to the North Galaxy aka, the Northern Quadrant of the Universe, which is a consistent thing in the entirety of Dragon Ball (I don't have to mention the old "DB universe is only four galaxies wide" mentality, right? Because its the same logic). And so, would be a 3-B feat then, and would be consistent with other feats.
I think scaling the manga characters to "At least 3-B, possibly 3-A for XYZ reasons" (Or if you are a real big stickler for it being just galaxy level, "At least 3-C, likely 3-B, possibly 3-A for XYZ reasons") makes more sense, but whatever, I don't really care for the manga whatsoever to give this any more of my time - I just had a problem with that statement.”
I literally disagree with Warren in this alone.
Sure that the Saiyans can not breath in space, but other races that are capable of physically traveling to Outer Space is capable of doing mass destruction over time.
What kind of logic are you using here, Warren?
Poison the Well logical fallacy.
Yeah I take a nice look at your logic, Warren.
That is what I call poisoning the Well fallacy.
Do not ridicule your own staff member that is Kingpin.
Inform King that he has my 100% support for this blatant display of mocking of theoretical science with his own headcanons.
It was literally stated that way.
Inform all parties that I disagree with the Fans of Bleach and their interpretations of this being strictly universal in size.
They have deliberate manipulate the evidence they have shown to us and only use quotes
To their advantage
Also further more, Yhwach went out of his way saying the sole purpose for the Soul King was to regulate the flow of souls that flow throughout the three worlds aka pocket dimensions and I disagree with Warr's assessment once more on this.
Inform all parties that I am NOT pleased with this assessment created by the Fans of Bleach.