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I was wondering why Bureaucrats cant remove bureaucrat rights, as it would be VERY annyoing to have to keep asking staff or helpers to remove them from users with bureacrats doing vandalism. Plus the fact that, if a bureacrat on a wiki (say my Sensible Wiki for example) has their Admin rights taken away, they can add themselves back cant they? And blocking them would be unnecessary, if it was the first time they vandalised.

If possible, can bureaucrats on my wiki have the ability to remove these rights? I hope that it is possible, and I thank Wikia Staff and any other users who can help.

Thanks, Jempcorp {user page | talk} 18:30, October 30, 2010 (UTC).

Please send a request to Special:Contact with the details about what happened. --User? 03:27, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

You do realize, Jempcorp, that if the bureaucrats had the power to remove other bureaucrats, the vandalizing bureaucrat would be able to remove your bureaucrat status. -- Xd1358^(Talk) 07:13, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

I am not saying I have vandalism, I was just wondering why they dont have that right. I think I understand now why they dont have that right. Thank you for replying. One more thing though, you know as Wikia Staff are able to edit all the user rights, has there been vandalism from the Staff? Like Staff removing other staff's rights? Jempcorp {user page | talk} 10:47, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that Wikia staff, who are employed by Wikia, would start vandalizing. -- Xd1358^(Talk) 15:48, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Really? ~ Edward Chernenko <edwardspec@gmail.com>^{MediaWikiDumper} 16:14, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

You may not modify an official help page. You should try leaving a message on the talk page, asking if you can add it. IMHO, that is not abuse of power. (Yes, I for once do not believe that they are abusing anything :|) -- Xd1358^(Talk) 20:51, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the staff edit war with users, removing sitenotices and removing admins rights for no good reason. Sounds like abuse of power/vandalism to me! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:04, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. I never knew they did. Jempcorp {user page | talk} 17:51, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

That link Edward Chernenko gave shows they removed content for nothing. Does VSTF and Helpers abuse their rights at all? PLUS: Notice how Uberfuzzy has fully protected his talk page? Weird... Jempcorp {user page | talk} 17:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Uberfuzzy's talk page is not protected from editing, anons and brand new accounts can edit and leave messages on his page. --User? 03:12, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Jempcorp probably clicked on the "talk" link on the help wiki; Uberfuzzy's talk page there is protected. -- Porter21 ^(talk) 10:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I did click that one. Jempcorp {user page | talk} 15:50, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

If a staff member "vandalizes", but doesn't use staff rights to do that, that's not what we're talking about here, because everyone can do that. What has been happening lately is Wikia staff removing user rights from bureaucrats on admins on certain wikis that have announced "moving" over differences in opinion how that wiki should be run, without requesting input from the community (the community usually supports their admins against these Wikia actions). People defend this behaviour, saying "Wikia owns the site, they have the right to", but to others who see Wikia as a wiki hosting service, these actions appear highly disruptive and as breaking of the trust that sites would be run largely independent of Wikia. If a bureaucrat did this on my wiki, it'd certainly be seen as abuse. --◄mendel► 10:08, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think I understand you. I just dont see it why Wikia Staff should remove those rights. Jempcorp {user page | talk} 15:50, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Normally noone should ever make another user a bureaucrat unless this user can be completely trusted. Average small wiki requires bureaucrat flag to be used once per year or even more rarely. "If you were the only bureaucrat and because of that you gave some idiot a bureaucrat flag, then there're two idiots-bureaucrats on your wiki now" (C). ~ Edward Chernenko <edwardspec@gmail.com>^{MediaWikiDumper} 10:54, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

I like your answer Edward. Thank you very much. And no, I dont like giving out bureacrat status (just the thought of a vandalising bureaucrat *shudder*) Jempcorp {user page | talk} 11:28, October 31, 2010 (UTC)