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I thought I'd emphasize one of the good things about Oasis. Compare the Main Page in the Oasis new look versus the Main Page in the Monaco skin:

For those who don't know go to the skin tab in your preferences to choose between Monaco and the Wikia/Oasis new look.

In Monaco there is less width for content space. My 17-inch monitor is set to 1152 x 864 pixels. So even the narrow Monaco sidebar eats into content space on the Main Page. For example it prevents the 2 top videos from being side by side.

In the new look there is enough room for the 2 top videos to be next to each other. The whole page looks great. It is fixed width but it is wide enough at 1024 pixels wide.

I like this content space width so much that I wish the sidebars could be eliminated on all pages. I don't mind ads in content space if I can have 1024-pixel-wide content space. I would only request that ads have a caption under them saying Ad. The readers and editors would be much less annoyed by them. Readers would not think they were wiki content.

For the interwiki info that is placed in content space put "Wikia Spotlight" as a caption.

The rest of the wiki-related stuff can go on the top and bottom of the page. Including detailed site navigation. See in Monaco skin:

It can go in a closed show/hide box like this:

It needs rollover menus though. I don't know how to do the CSS or JS. --Timeshifter 18:17, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Portal pages also have no sidebars in Oasis

See: Forum:Oasis - Fallout's Portal pages have no sidebar, how? --Timeshifter 09:19, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

WoWwiki may get wider content space

From Forum:Should WoWWiki leave Wikia?:

Sannse wrote:

"I mentioned above that we are working on ways to better deal with wide tables on WoWWiki. The top contender at the moment is to increase the size of the fixed width area to 1200px. ..."

"The top contender I mentioned above, a wider version of the skin specifically for WoWWiki, is going well and should be available soon. There will also be some detection of extra wide tables, to make sure they display well on all wikis."

Kirkburn wrote on Oct. 18:

"By the way, I've seen the live mockup - apart from a few needed tweaks, it looks pretty good, and does fit out content better."

Many wikis would look and work better if allowed to use the wider content space. --Timeshifter 10:43, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa, whoa... they're bribing wikias with better skins just to stay?! WHY DON'T THEY DO THAT WITH OTHER WIKIAS?! --Havoc'48 20:15, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
Interesting development/proposal as this is one of my issues with the new 'wikia (skin)' as existing tables were cramped as it was at 'normal' full page width and the new fixed width makes the 8 > 10 columns used very narrow & as one column has to have a thumbnail image in it and several others are wiki links which look bad on split lines. So a 'wide' page would cross one of my defective ('improvements') features off the list of reasons to move. - BulldozerD11 20:09, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
Honestly, if this is changed for one wiki, it should be changed for all of them. Originally it was quoted, "We are striving for a consistent look across all wikis for all users." Now that seems to have changed to "We are striving for a consistent look across all wikis for all users (except WoWwiki which will be wider)." Changes like this, while attempting to keep one site to stay, further upset the rest of the wikis and drives them closer to leaving. I am sure this is not what you want. Most gaming wikis would look much better with a wider content area due to the fact of many of them needing infoboxes and images. Placing images on a page at 100-200px because there's no room with a 20em infobox isn't really suitable in most cases. 1200px width leaves roughly 850px for content area. This helps a good deal for wider tables that can't really be squished into a 650px content area. All in all... I don't like the look of favoritism here. You guys want a consistent look. If you change it for one wiki, you may as well change it for all of them or not at all. Rappy 21:35, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
A maximum fixed width of 1280 pixels would probably work for most wikis. The sidebar needs around 300 pixels, I believe. That leaves 980 pixels for content space. My 17-inch monitor goes up to 1280 pixels wide in display properties. I keep my monitor at 1152 pixels wide. That means I would have 852 pixels for content space. 1152-300=852 pixels. --Timeshifter 12:00, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, Wikia staff seems to be a bit scared because of WoWWiki leaving :) ~ Edward Chernenko <edwardspec@gmail.com>MediaWikiDumper 05:09, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia stooping to a new low. Bobofango 07:17, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Should I be LMFAO now? I like the new skin, so this dosen't have a big impact on me. All Hail Shadow! 10:25, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia, this is very uncool that WoWWiki is getting special treatment when others, like the one I help administer, in the "Biggest Wiki" groupings have to deal with this on our own. We also have infoboxes and tables and are stuck dealing with complaints by our users about the skin as well as have sucked it up and tried to come up with ways (which are VERY slim due to the new CSS rules) to make our site still function and look good.
If you are needing stats and such to be able to base these claims that WoWWiki is making to make this change, we will GLADLY show you the Google Analytics that show the same information. In fact I can show you any analytics that are needed. I WILL be sending a message to Special:Contact on this one now that I know this is the case.
Wikia, know that if this change is made only on certain sites and not allowed to be made as requested or on any other wiki, then you have completely spit in the faces of administrators who were trying to accept, as well as push others to accept this change and it is a very bad show of favoritism. Realize that "special cases" like this will now be talked about in our staff forums for our site and decisions made based on these exceptions. --M1shawhan 04:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
This is completely ridiculous. What, do we need 80,000 content pages and a ton of users to get special treatment? How about us other wikis with large charts as well? Kicking us to the curb? You're basically saying "We like WoWWiki more, so **** you". Oh right, there are totally no other wikis with large tables. Completely unheard of. None of these pages could ever fall under the category. GIVE THE REST OF US SOME SPACE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Favoritism if I had ever saw it. Why? Just why? Are all of the rest of the wikis useless? Worthless? We mean nothing? WoWWiki means everything else? You are fully aware the skin is bad an you're upset because one wiki is leaving. How about the rest of the wikis that are leaving? Oh yeah, useless, worthless, meaningless, that's right. And don't sugarcoat a response and say "lol we caer about dem but notrly" SERIOUS response. No sugarcoating, no smiley faces, no rainbows, unicorns, and meadows. Just give a normal response, if you can. If you can't don't respond at all. --Havoc'48 20:04, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
WoWwiki gets a ton of traffic. Of course they'd get Wikia to bend to them. The entire idea behind this skin is not to increase ease-of-use or do to some sort of 'upgrade', it's to cram more advertisements on the screen and get you to 'social network' and view other Wikias. I guarantee the fixed size was developed solely to allow for huge banner advertisements in the background. 71.167.15.89 20:53, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I entirely agree that this change should be moved onto all wikis in the same if not an improved fashion, after all the majority of people use widescreens nowadays and this ain't gonna change - even laptops do it. Although I also think that it won't be of any use to keep this discussion in here if people want to continue to discuss about it, as this topic is rather unrelated to the actual reason why the last couple messages here were written. (Crynsos Talk 23:19, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Let wikis choose whether to eliminate sidebars on all pages

I am glad WoWWiki will get a wider content space. Currently in Oasis there are no sidebars on the Main Page of a wiki, and on Portal pages. Those pages look much better.

Let wikis choose whether to eliminate sidebars on more pages, or all pages. Ads can go back to being put in content space. As bad as unlabeled ads in content space can be, narrow content space is worse. --Timeshifter 12:08, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever thought of this really needs to take a look at the text wrapping due to the new restriction. This makes the page look worse when most people have monitors capable of showing wider content. For what I view on Wikia this narrow space allotment is really bad as it makes things too squished together. --Tsavi 01:00, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

A joke forum?

Is this suppose to be funny a joke?This all contradicts all true facts about the new look almost everything on here is vice versa not monaco is bad but Oasis is bad thats how it is.So whoever made this is eitheir ignorant about the new look or is just being funny.Which one do you guys think it is?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 23:25, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Ignorant. Ive read many comments about how wikia doesnt care because they are a business and only want the money. Im really trying to understand how upsetting all the wikia editors and driving them all away is good for business. I think coca-cola screwed up bad like this once... thats why its called coca-cola classic! Sinnin 20:52, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed width increased for the new look in WoWWiki

See:

This is better than before. Wider content space. But people who set their display width less than around 1200 pixels wide will have a horizontal scroll bar.

A fluid, flexible width up to that maximum width of around 1200 pixels would solve many problems. It is commonly done on web pages. --Timeshifter 01:09, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I asked to have the Hot Wheels Wiki changed to the WoWWiki dimensions and was told it was not possible. Our main page looks great but the new dimensions have almost made the internal pages of the Hot Wheels Wiki unsuable as we rely heavily on tables. I really dont understand why they went with fixed pixel dimensions over percent dimensions. with my 1920 screen resolution, i feel like im browsing with a smart phone..... oh but wait Oasis does not work at all on a smart phone. Sinnin 20:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean about tables:
http://hotwheels.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_Wheels_Delivery
The sidebar gets in the way, and covers tables. Maybe move the Recent Wiki Activity box to the bottom of the page. Also, the Photos on This Wiki box. Ads can go back to safe spots in content space as before. --Timeshifter 16:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
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