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The last thread was grinding even the spiciest computers to a halt, so here's a fresh slate to keep the conversation going!
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Dessamator wrote:
You can admin protect them to avoid people incorrectly converting them or alternatively rename them (remove the "infobox" part ) so the insights tool doesn't pick them up as "infoboxes".
won't really matter on insights, as long as a template is edited the system will redisplay the message. staff is well aware of this problem, kirkburn knows as i have reported in the past. they just have to fix it. good thing is they are actually actively developing this feature as opposed to letting it die off.
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Quote: best thing to do in this case is to
- not edit any of those as editing will reset the system and display the message once again. no idea why, staff is aware of said bug.
- always lock the most important templates, that way even if someone tries there is less risk. plus even if the system gets around that edit block, it doesn't automatically replace the infobox until someone approves. by locking, an admin would have to approve and thus solving your problem. policy, highly used images, important templates [especially small pieces that affect other important templates], home page templates should almost always be locked to prevent accidental changes that are not desired regardless of what staff thinks. a minor change to those minor templates can cause your main templates to randomly display improperly and cause not needed stress of searching the problem.
Yeah, I am pretty strict on my wiki (past gaming app wiki I admin'ed I had tons of vandals), all editing must require log in, the Main Page and Parent Infobox are locked, and Do not Edit Disclaimers are on all my Infobox Templates (and their respected templates they are linked to).
But I do worry in the future if I do happen to take a long time off and the admins I leave add new admins and think my reason for not updating was flawed or that I missed.
Also I tend to get outside help on my templates sometimes like Moviesign and I don't want to protect/unprotect or grant admin status/remove admin status whenever I run into template trouble with those pages. I will need to edit often when updates occur in this app game we had 2 in October already that required some Infobox updates.
Thank you for the suggestions and tips! I will definitely take into consideration :)
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@Hollowness:
In your specific case, I think you should report it as a bug because some of these so-called "infoboxes" are simply not infoboxes. They are meta-templates that may transclude infoboxes.
The nature of wikis is that others can change things we create. Consequently one should design templates and pages in a way that others can easily use / change them. After all, one day we will all stop using wikis, either due to personal reasons or external factors. Future editors will definitely remove or not use whatever is too complicated to maintain, use or understand. People can always overcome protected templates by changing / copying the part they want and changing the templates in the pages, unless one protects all pages which is a TOU violation.
@35.11.22.134:
Well, that's not been my experience, the moment the name changes it disappears from the insights list (perhaps after 24 hours). Maybe you're referring to the banners that show up. These will only disappear once the template is converted or perhaps moved to another namespace.
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Dessamator wrote: @Hollowness:
In your specific case, I think you should report it as a bug because some of these so-called "infoboxes" are simply not infoboxes. They are meta-templates that transclude infoboxes.
Will do! Thank you :)
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Are the new Template types the feature they plan to use to prevent the meta-templates that transclude infoboxes from being considered Infoboxes? If that is the case I am suppose to make sure I don't set to infoboxes (cause it would be assumed they are since they are the templates that used on the article as an infobox)?
Or can I set them as that type? Since I don't know how else to describe them as besides: Displays the most essential information about an article in a box at the top of the page, usually to the right side. (all I need is more confusion on these template pages LOL).
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You can set them as "data" I think...
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Actually, I think the "data" type is meant for stat bars and tables, in that sense of the word. We need another template type for "transcludes a template itself". Maybe call it "meta" or something?
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AgentMuffin wrote:
Actually, I think the "data" type is meant for stat bars and tables, in that sense of the word. We need another template type for "transcludes a template itself". Maybe call it "meta" or something?
Actually, I think the "data" type is meant for stat bars and tables, in that sense of the word. We need another template type for "transcludes a template itself". Maybe call it "meta" or something?
Meta-template doesn't work because they are generally only meant to be used by another template. While in this specific case, the transformers choose what content will be displayed in a page. In some cases it displays an infobox, in others it may be a table.
Generally speaking, this content would be put in a "data template", e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Alcoy or data module e.g. (w:c:dev:Module:Country/data).
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Dessamator wrote: You can set them as "data" I think...
Yeah I set as data (since setting to infobox says to go to new mark up), but now insight wants me to add an infoboxes to every page of my wiki *eyeroll* this really didn't fix the problem it made it worse LOL. So new mark up about to 20 templates or add 290 infoboxes to my wiki, seriously which is the better devil here :P Not really a fix wiki staff X /
I mean if people never what to adjust to new mark up they can have all infoboxes that are actually infoboxes as data too... would it have killed to add a type: Infobox Child - Allows advanced Design, Structure, Data of an Infobox (not show up on insight needing new mark up nor adding an infobox - if an infobox child is present). That would have been a fix!
Well lets just say I made a new template yesterday a disclaimer on all the meta-templates that transclude infoboxes pages. Saying don't change to new mark up, these aren't the infoboxes the wiki thinks they are and if you do - it will break the entire wiki, dramatic but I just don't want to take chances now.
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@Hollowness
I have some pass-through templates that are very much like your transformers. All they do is change the look of the infobox (now using theme-source), so I set them to type "Design". I haven't bothered with Insights much yet, just converting my infoboxes to portable is all I'm doing right now. I think you can safely ignore most of what Insights tells you, if you wish.
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