Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33668185-20181229231243/@comment-27345308-20181230021334

PyroNacht wrote: Yes, the way moderators moderate is secretive. As somebody entrusted to enforce the rules of chat and possibly beyond, there are a lot of discussions that do happen behind closed doors. That is not something that just happened. It was simply action that happened, seemingly from even before I was promoted in May 2017. Before you hit me with the “just because it was from that period of time doesn’t mean it cannot change” bullet, I would like to mention that bans are typically discussed between Staff, admods, and the actual individual being banned. The reason why this is usually secretive is because of messy situations like this. The team sure hasn't been discussing Mamvik's ban since less than a month ago. Sure, some complicated situations, like Oz's ban in the past, must have been discussed for a long time and the action taken represents the result of that discussion, but being secretive about something that's only been happening this month is pointless and just makes other users in chat confused. PyroNacht wrote: Furthermore, many of the ban reasons have not been elaborated on.. Likely because the banned individuals should know what they did wrong. If somebody entered and began spamming slurs, if I were them, I’d be more concerned about how that doesn’t seem wrong to them, rather than getting banned on a website. Especially if there is a history. I wouldn't have expected to hear this from you. You should know CCC is visited by all kinds of users, and those who misbehave are usually either underage, don't have a clear picture of what the site is for, have mental health issues or just constantly abuse the chat (possibly for the previous reason). Would you expect understanding of the ban reason from any of the first three groups? I've communicated with one of the users mentioned in the original post and it was clear they didn't know the reason they were banned for. That's not to say there is no reason or the reason was bad, it's just that you should expect users that don't understand their bans. PyroNacht wrote: You are sorely mistaken. At the end of the day, I firmly believe the admods want what is best for the chat. That was (and still is) what I want. When users that have only been back from their absence for only a month and toss out accusations to paint the CC crew as careless and rude, then I think that reflects more on the people who are upset than the actual crew. You're responding as if Oz said "I think the moderation team doesn't care about the chat at all." PyroNacht wrote: Then why are you writing this? Are you seeking a regulation change or are you voicing your discontent with the CC crew just to see who will participate? I understand not wanting to S:C regarding regulations, but given the nature of some of your previous comments, I feel like this public forum was targeted and distasteful at best. How is it bad to request comments on a certain topic that has been brought up way too many times in private channels up on a public forum, expecting users to respond in a civilized and constructive manner? We know Staff won't change anything there. We're not trying to get Staff to change anything there. Is it a real change in one's behavior if you have to get somebody other than the person in question to change that behavior? PyroNacht wrote: You do realize that CCC is nobody’s #1 priority, right? The fact that you are implying that admods are obligated to spend 24/7 (which, seems to be the amount of time people in chat misbehave, so I understand your frustration there) is baffling. None of you know what goes on behind closed doors. Quite frankly, sometimes, yes, the admods do want to spend time on Discord rather than participate in chat simply because the Central Chat has become a pool of stress. I was growing increasingly frustrated as an administrator - to a point where I literally cringed every single time I had to enter chat (and I even gave up hours of sleep for it) because the same people didn’t know how to behave. Yes, it was my job. But it does not mean I was required to spend every waking second there, especially when my own mental health was taking a turn around that time. Again, I am pretty sure nobody is implying the chat should be anybody's #1 priority or that the volunteers are obligated to spend 24/7 in chat. That's just putting it way out of the proportions of what was said. PyroNacht wrote: A good majority of the users who are regulars in chat are the ones crying wolf about how the rules are rarely enforced. But, when one of them gets banned for swearing or whatever, they get upset over that. So, honestly, yeah, a lot of the admods are probably tired. And many of them (including me) understood that it is impossible to please an entire community. There are always going to be people who don’t like you or your role.

But before users start tearing the CC crew a new one over the chat atmosphere that has always been like this, then maybe they should look at their own actions first. A good majority of the users in this thread has not been banned for quite some time, so I'm not sure what kind of comparison you're trying to make there.