Thread:Andrewds1021/@comment-45310000-20200417112550/@comment-45310000-20200427053158

I see your point, but I've already been enjoying the advantages of making my talk namespaces more accessible, such as documenting changes to my templates. Since most every document has a link to the talk page visible at the bottom, I can instantly see if it has been created, and scratch it like an itch, copy and past the page template from the newarticletext notice, sign it, and i'm done. It actually works quite well in practice.

I know I've gone overboard on writing rules, but I've had bad experiences in wikis that shall not be named, pages that I added being deleted, edits being reversed, and sure cool, I'll go with the flow, but If a new user can't figure out what that flow is, you end up being butt-hurt from trying to contribute. If they would have pointed to written basis for all the content moderation, I would have been fine with it. But I just got deafening silence.

So, based on this experience, I want there to be written basis for every content moderation. I realize that users aren't going to read the rules right away and may be unaware of them, but when I get my first power users, get them to understand the rules, then they can do vigilante moderation, giving links to directly into the rules documents, discussed on talk pages that are required to be created. The new person catches on, and so on, and it continues by momentum. Hopefully nobody gets butt-hurt. It will be just that's how we do things around here.

Just a technical question: If one creates an Article with a watch, and someone else ends up having to create the talk page, does the original article creator get a notice that the talk page has been created by someone else?

I realize that most of the new user learning and training is going to be done by example than reading my long, verbose rules documents that will put everyone to sleep, but they are there at the base of the wiki and everything else, mostly the community text in the style that I'm going for, will be built on top of that -- that's why I've spent so much time on writing the rules and all this template coding.

I know I'm new to a lot of this, and don't have any experience with the social engineering involved in gaining and maintaining a community for a wiki, but I think my engineering of this base of rules and code, will help me to achieve the community text that I envision, and attract the kind of contributors that I want. I know I still have a long ways to go in getting the base part done, and then I can move on and debug and test the whole process when I get to work adding content. Once I add enough content, it will be Field of Dreams.

That would be nice if they add DPLforums, but the way I'm looking at it now, talk pages for content contributors for their forum (very topical for what is being discussed - i.e. big long debates on the rules documents talk pages, especially the page content document), but the forums would be more for Reader Users types to use, like "I've got a really cool strategy for doing this thing" kinda thing with the mission talk page being tagged.

That's what I hope, anyway. It's still all a big unproven experiment.