Talk:Community Central/Archive 4

Interwiki links
How do interwiki links work? Will my_own_wiki:whatever be a link to the wiki hosted at http://wikicities.com/my_own_wiki? Can we have shortcut interwikis as well, so people can link mow:whatever. These shortcuts could be added to a page on the central wiki (this one) and added to the interwiki list by a script each week. Angela 23:05, 17 Oct 2004 (PDT)

User and talk pages
Will people have user pages in each wiki, or can these be combined somehow? I like the thought of people travelling around lots of different wikicities and spreading their experience to new wikis, so preventing too much separation of them would be a good idea. Message notification that carries across wikis would be really useful. Angela 23:05, 17 Oct 2004 (PDT)

At the moment, the single sign-on code does not allow the merging of user pages. This decision was made because, at Wikipedia, it is reasonable to assume that a person will want a language-specific User page on each different site, because each different site is in a different language. Of course this is not the case for wikicities. I think that we should allow both eventually. That is, there should be the local User: pages and a shared GlobalUser: page. --Jasonr 10:04, 21 Oct 2004 (PDT)


 * If cross-wiki transclusion was possible, users could use that to duplicate their user page on any wiki they liked. Angela 09:16, 28 Oct 2004 (PDT)

Similar projects
Tim on #mediawiki told me about your project today. Hi everybody. I'm planning something with mutante on mamalian-wiki-hive that seems somehow compareable. There will be possibilities to collaborate and make things more effective I guess. Mattis Manzel 10:57, 31 Oct 2004 (PST)


 * Hi Mattis. Thanks for the link. Do you have any policies for wiki-creation over there or do you accept a proposals? What sort of rules govern the communities on the mamalian-wiki-hive? Or are the rules up to each separate community? Angela 01:33, 2 Nov 2004 (PST)


 * Hi Angela. The idea for a wiki-hive came when few days ago I dicovered oddwiki (after not having noted it for a half of a year) and when realizing that wiki-hiving technically is possible. I use the term wiki-hive for places to make a new wiki when:


 * making a new wiki is and stays free and open to everybody.
 * no login is necessary to make a new wiki.
 * someone familiar to the engine litterary takes seconds to make a new wiki.

I use the term wiki-farm when there are longer procedures like fill out forms or a confirmation is involved. Your idea in that sense rather is a wiki-farm - as I see in the form discussion. Though it seems pretty close to "hiving" and is very interesting. Important is the hive, the home-meta-community. Those having a wiki for free on it hopefully will maintain it, that is remove spam (or discuss and decide and contribute to anti-spam mechanismns), dicuss and decide about removing + probably banning unwanted wikis on the hive (those - as I see it - who have a serious problem on removing rassistic or sexistic contents for example), removing wikis which are both dead and shallow, etc.

When there is only voluteer contribution (and wiki is the most volunteer thing around) there are no rules. Noone's obliged to anything. Therefore the max possible are recommendations. A community finding a stable existance based on recommendations is superior to a community based on rules. It is so in flexibility, information-flow, I guess in intelligence finally (think of it as of a free and a ruled mind maybe). The community of hive users should make up their reccomendations and learn to discuss and act. I'd like to help on that. And sure I'd like to participate on shapeing it. In the beginning that means a porn- or nazi-wiki will be deleted the minute I see it. When the community has learnt to do that itself or produces a reasonable discussion why such shouldn't be deleted anymore, allright then ... Bit experimental, agree. I like Bitches Brew, Miles Davies.

It's all just few days now, there are no requests for wikis yet. Some more preparations must be taken, loads of techstuff (and on that I completely depend on collaboration). These are very first words on it. -- Mattis Manzel

It looks like you're going for something quite similar to what we're doing here and it'll be interesting to see if we can collaborate in any way. We're certainly that the communities will develop their own rules in time. The major difference is that we do have a form to fill in before a wiki is created. This is because, in my experience, it is far easier to reject a wiki before it is created than to remove it afterwards. It causes a lot less hassle that way I believe. Angela 12:18, 2 Nov 2004 (PST)

I'm so happy to read this. My radical way of "new wiki without login" is an ideal, it is what I strive for. Realizing it on the mammalian-wiki-hive is worth a try, but such a concept is - agree - likely to fail for vandalismn, spam and a lot of other reasons. I do approach things in an idealistic way, but this doesn't mean I'm not eager to lean more about the riscs and am not interested in the experiences others made. I often try to fullfill a "steam-maker function" - Here and now just "think" the impossible for a minute, then go on with your work. Thats already it. I just applied for a "node-wiki for university-wikis" here. I have no objections against the form at all. Wikicities is great. I'm exited about this important improvement to wikilandia. It opens up gates and it's somehow funny that it happens on November third. A day full of important news. I will try to go on for the mammalian-wiki-hive on oddmuse which is superior to mediawiki as far as the features for multilingual use of pages is concerned. You might know http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multilingual_communication. Let' make it work.

Let's think about the logo. It seems Manhattan on 9/11 dust crawling up the streets. Aren't there any ideal mythological cities? A nice city of diversity where everybody likes like to live in. MattisManzel 02:35, 3 Nov 2004 (PST)


 * I shan't comment on whether oddmuse is superior to MediaWiki. ;) My biases lie firmly in the MediaWiki camp for now, but it is interesting to see how you try to combine languages on one page. I think the aim here is to allow language subdomains in the same way that sites like Wikipedia do, though it will be interesting if anyone does try to combine them without having subdomains. Perhaps it might lead to some improvements in MediaWiki in this area. Thanks for adding us to the OtherWikiHives page. Looking around at the alternative sites doing this really highlights the need for Wiki Markup Standard so that people can easily move between such sites without learning a syntax all over again. Angela 05:24, 3 Nov 2004 (PST)

Actually the separation in different domains is another concept. We do try on both on community-wiki. I would be very interested in getting the multilingual features of oddmuse (the colored background, the language filters) ported to Mediawiki and then start working on both: a multilingual Mediawiki fork (I propose MMediawiki ;) - elaborate the filters also in edit mode, automatic pretranslation in a new translate-mode, etc.) and "one big multilingual wikipedia". Kinda getting people into the fun of translating. Where is the best place to propose it? The wikimedia mailing list? -- MattisManzel 06:08, 3 Nov 2004 (PST)


 * The Wikipedia mailing list might be better. That one gets a lot more traffic. If it's about the technical issues of doing such a thing, then wikitech would be better. You won't get a very good reception if you're proposing a fork though. Angela 08:12, 3 Nov 2004 (PST)

Mailed 'em. Thx fo the encouragement. :) Wouldn`t it be nice if all applications for a wiki on wikicities with all the information filled in the form would automatically come up on a new applications for wikis on wikicities page here? Like that the community get's involved from the very beginning and that's the essential thing I guess. MattisManzel 10:36, 3 Nov 2004 (PST)