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Please add new messages to the bottom, thanks :) -- sannse (talk)

pvx builds bugged?
I think something is bugged with the Pvx builds when you download them. Before whenever you would download a build they each had their own name. I just downloaded a few builds and they were all named {art_name} If you try to download any other build it will not matter all of them have the same name. I know it did not used to be like this before, so if you try to download a second build a message will pop up saying this file already exists, and asks to replace. (even though it is a different file, has same name)


 * PvX Wiki is not affiliated with GuildWiki or Wikia. -Afker 22:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I see, thank you. Where are the PvX admins though? Can anyone tell me where i can contact them or give a link, please? Or perhaps this can be forwarded move this to them?


 * There is a list of them at http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop - you will have to look at contributions to see which are active though (or try the admin notice board, linked in the sidebar) -- sannse (talk) 18:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Clicking their names will take you to their user pages. From there you can find their talk pages (like this one) and links to their contributions (to see if they are currently active).  The "sidebar" is the list of links in boxes along the side of each page on the wiki.  One of the links there is to the "admin noticeboard".  That looks like a good option to contact the admins there -- sannse (talk) 19:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

IE7 bug report
Hi Sannse, when you come back could you inform me hows the IE issues i reported you on mirc im still getting reports at Special problem report --Cizagna (Talk) 16:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Cizagna, it's with the tech team. Hopefully they will be able to cure it soon! -- sannse (talk) 18:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Bots in IRC
Can we get some semi-formal rule about bots being brought into #wikia. Users keep bringing in bots like PinkyBot and [NewsBot] without any consensus to bring them in, then the bot gets kicked out and auto returns, making the person work on a long block to only block the bot without blocking a user. Then after that a big debate starts about whether bots belong in #wikia. Users against it note the dislike of bots by some staff and that consensus should decide if it is ok for a bot to be inside of #wikia. Then those few who want the bot go and say that the other 40 or so users don't have an issue with it, when 90% of those users are formally away, lurking, or a double user and aren't responding on how they may not like it because they are not at the computer.

All these bots coming in with no valid reason or pre-consensus is getting annoying. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 4, 2007 @ 21:03 (UTC)

I agree, bots are really not needed in that channel. -- sannse (talk) 22:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Office Wiki/Dunderpedia
I deleted all those pages you told me to delete in order to change the name of the site to Dunderpedia and Dunderpedia: The Office Wiki. Thanks in advance. DaHumorist 21:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, you should be set... the title bar doesn't look quite right to me, but I think that's a cache thing. It should clear soon.  If not, give me another shout!  -- sannse (talk) 22:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Adminship not working
Thank you for changing my status form from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat but sadly it hasn't worked. When you typed my username there was a space in between the User: and the name Bioevil087. You can check here [] and you will see what I mean. Please fix it as soon as possible. Thank You very much. Bioevil087 02:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Now there's a strange error... it shouldn't allow me to change rights if the username isn't correct... Anyway, it's fixed now, you may need to log out and in again to see the change.  Sorry for the problem -- sannse (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you fix this one too please sannse? w:c:engineering:Special:Log/rights. I left a message for Catherine but she might not have noticed it. Thanks. -- Manticore  Talk 03:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Done -- sannse (talk) 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Board 8 Wiki
Hello Sannse, would it be possible for you to edit the localsettings.php for my wiki, http://board8.wikia.com/ so that only registered users are able to edit pages? We've had some problems with vandalism here and there, but mainly we just want it so people stop being lazy and get an account for the sake of the other benefits. Picking a skin, contrib listings, all that stuff. Thanks! --Ngamer 23:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, why not just tell them about those benefits? I don't see much activity on talk pages, or any welcoming of new contributors to the wiki... those are both things that will encourage people to stick around and log in.  I see you also tend to protect rather than block IPs that vandalise, I think a combination of these is best... a short ban can be a great way of communicating that behaviour is not acceptable, especially when combined with a message.  Traditionally we have said that Wikia wikis should be open for all to edit - including anonymous users.  We've experimented with allowing a few wikis to do this differently, but it's still no clear what effects it has.  It's something we are discussing.  So for now, I'd suggest trying these other methods, and seeing how you get on -- sannse (talk) 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot for your help with the vandalism rollback in my wiki, Sannse. Together we did it really quick. --Spankart 18:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem! -- sannse (talk) 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Duties, and the Adoption
That info you were interested in is at User:Dantman/Wiki Duties.

As for that adoption. A user that's been working on the Animepedia wants to adopt the Sailor Moon Wiki and put it into Wikia ACG.

To make the list of things for you to do quite small and easy. Just 2 flag changes. I'll take care of her promotion and the promotion of the Sysop bot (Needed for some of the work in adding a wiki to Wikia ACG). ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:10 (UTC)
 * Add Bureaucrat to me on the wiki. (I already have Sysop so that's one less flag for you to give)
 * Add Bot to User:AnimeBot on the wiki.


 * Thanks for the link, I'll have a close read of that :)


 * If the user is going to adopt Sailor Moon, then it makes more sense for me to make her the bureaucrat. What's her nick?  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well ok. I was going to give her bureaucrat to (Kinda normal in Wikia ACG wiki for me and for the wiki's founder to both have bureaucrat. The idea is that bureaucrat allows me to promote users who become sysops on Wikia ACG scale. [Basically for helping keep things related to Wikia ACG in sync]). But you'll need to do more flags then since I won't be able to add the others myself.
 * Sysop/Bureaucrat on User:Katie5000.
 * Bot on User:AnimeBot.
 * Sysop on User:AnimeBotSys.
 * The bot set needs a bot account, and a sysop account because there are common occasions where the bot needs to edit a protected page when setting things up. (Most of the time, It's when I'm doing a lot of the simple additions like ACG to MediaWiki:Acg, or other things that are needed so that sidebar or other minor things are added. I use a small batchcmd script because doing this stuff on it's own is tedious.) ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 13, 2007 @ 22:27 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, I've set Katie's rights, and the bot on AnimeBot. Katie can set any other rights she feels necessary now.  -- sannse (talk) 08:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Reminder...
...to bug the techs about adding the wiki identification element as described at Forum:IRC Feed Requests. GHe (Talk) 05:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The ticket has been assigned to Inez, and I've updated it today. -- sannse (talk) 08:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Lookupcontribs
^_^ I have people poking me to get lookupcontribs. Everyone from Jack to Manticore has it. I originally was going to wait till more janitors showed up and came my way. But since it looks like that's going slow, I'll just request the lookupcontribs flag that people are poking me to get. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 18, 2007 @ 04:33 (UTC)


 * I think this is something we need to talk about directly. Let's get together on IRC when we both have time to talk.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 09:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Staff, Helpers, and Janitors
Hey, sannse. I saw the new page Helpers. And I'm starting to get confused. What's the difference between a Staff, a Helper, and a Janitor. Primarily what's different between a Helper and a Janitor. But the difference between a Helper and a Staff is also a bit confusing. I suppose some people may also be confused on the purpose of the different flags and requirements of each individual group. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 19, 2007 @ 02:45 (UTC)


 * From what I understand, Helpers are interns or contractors working for Wikia, so they are in some way officially tied to the company. I'm not sure if the interns are paid, but I know the contractors are. Janitors, on the other hand, are volunteers and have no official ties to Wikia. The line between Staff and Helpers is a little blurry, but I think users with a staff flag (and not all employees do have them, IIRC) work full-time for Wikia. -- Manticore  Talk 04:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It lists Volunteers as Helpers to. But Janitors are volunteers to. Also, what kind of access differences are there in the different flags? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 19, 2007 @ 04:44 (UTC)


 * Manticore has it...


 * Janitors are contributor-helpers who work as general assistants to the community, especially in helping control spam and vandalism. They have admin rights on all Wikia, plus some specific rights for anti-spam work, such as lookupcontribs.


 * Helpers are generally contractors or interns working with Wikia. Sometimes they may be volunteers who are helping with specific tasks on the wikis.  Helpers have admin rights on all Wikia, and may have specific rights set if they are needed for the job they are doing - for example, they may have some access for technical work if they are working with the Technical Team.


 * Staff are employed by Wikia, or long-term contractors working outside the US/Poland (it's more complicated to be 'employed' where Wikia doesn't have an office). Staff have admin and bureaucrat rights on all Wikia wikis, plus many other tools including Checkuser and access to some MediaWiki settings.  Not all those employed by Wikia have need of this access, so they are still "staff", but don't have the staff rights flag set.


 * In all cases, these groups are told to respect the rights of the local communities, and to be there to help and advise not to 'take over'. Staff may have to take on a wider role where there are serious problems on a wiki, and some Janitors and Helpers also have local roles (Helpers are sometimes asked to found a new wiki on a specific subject we are missing) but their Wikia-wide roles are to work with local admins and to try and make everything on Wiki run that bit more smoothly!


 * I hope that's answered all your questions -- sannse (talk) 09:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Googlemaps extension for Genealogy.
Hi. I am a sysop for Genealogy wikia, and our community is very interested in having the googlemaps extension installed. (It is handy for plotting where old settlements were and so on.) Thanks very much for any help you can render.

Secondly, we need an additional extension allowed for uploads (.ged). These are text files but in a format used by about every genealogy program on the face of the earth. It would be great if contributors could upload them as .ged's. Some are voluminous >500K, so it is not practical to store them on wiki pages with. ~  Ph l o x  21:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I can get the GoogleMaps extension working tomorrow.  I'll also put in a request for the technical team to look at allowing the file type, they have to check that it's something that will have security problems.  I'll get back to you on that one as soon as I can :) -- sannse (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That is just Grand of you! No big hurry on the .ged's  If techs have never heard of it-> GEDCOM.  It is simple text and can be easily validated by sniff testing for legal fields found in the GEDCOM article.  An example files may be downloaded from  (center banner blue text- dowload gedcom).  Warm regards   ~  Ph l o x   07:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikia ACG Organization
Sannse, rather than constricting the pie how about some organization of that organization.

Yes, yes... My brain moves to fast, It hasn't even been long enough for me to get to sleep since we discussed things. And Wikia ACG already has a series of revamps of various things.

I suppose it looked like it but Wikia ACG never was staticly my project. Afker is actually a bit of a right hand man and I let him deal with most Gaming related stuff. As well he's great at being the second side needed to make a good guide/policy something that people can actually understand and be comfortable with. I'm also trying to get Katie5000 to help out with some feedback so that I can fix up some of the guides and remove the older ones that are being replaced.

I'd actually like to consider a bit of a freeze on external expansion. And do a bit more on internal expansion and experimenting with various styles to see how they work out in different circumstances. Though I'd also like to fix up the wiki that ended up in a bit of a transition flux. I'll give some updates and information on the various Wikia ACG wiki, Flux wiki, and related wiki.

Actually I introduced some new things to make things a little frendlier and easier to use. ^_^ This time around all I'm getting is nice from Afker instead of a lot of tweaks reversing a number of stuff, so something must be going right. jamie_hari was setting up a spot for me to work on some extensions. I hope even without extra access or anything we can get some techical things installed. Because there were two main things I was hoping to make and get installed. One of them was centered around making things easier for newbies and editors in general. And the other was centered around making the project less dependant on bots that are run on only accounts that I can log into.


 * Animepedia
 * [Part of ACG. All of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * Katie5000 has been working on a lot of articles on the wiki and it's actually starting to pick up as a wiki instead of just a development ground.
 * We might add the old "Ignore all rules" and other stuff to the page to help newbies feel more comfortable later on. Though actually, at the moment the big focus is actually making it easier for new users to edit without running into the issues with article titles that normally are the reason that users don't edit. I've added a bit of an inputbox to the world page subst template (Used to create the world pages easily) to make it easier for people to create an article in the world without getting confused by prefixes.
 * We'll be doing a little less deletion than before. If someone comes in with a article at a bad name, or bad WP copy. We'll move it to the right place and fix it up. If they create a stub that would of course be in the way of an actual article we'll create the WP base and put their stub as a subpage to be merged so that what they contributed will never actually disappear. And on either type we're going to come up with a nice welcome message that tells the user that their contribution is still on the wiki and show them where it was moved to.
 * Going along with what Afker mentioned before we're going to combine the pages on User levels into one to make it less of a intimidating set of links in the index bar. Also the wiki like Narutopedia that customize levels names, we'll help relate them to the actual flags a bit more.


 * Narutopedia
 * [Part of ACG. All of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * There isn't really much to say here. As I've said, the Narutopedia has become mostly autonomous and is probably the biggest succest of the project.


 * Marpedia
 * [Part of ACG. Most of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * 90% of the Wikipedia articles have already been copied with that Move&Merge method. So since it's already progressed like that we'll probably use that as a test-case to see how that does for starting a new wiki.


 * InuYasha
 * [Part of ACG since beginning. Only half of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * The wiki is filled with articles that are so old, outdated, riddled with GFDL violations, and disorganized that they are mostly worthless. (Whopper would agree with this). We had a similar situation on the Animepedia and ended up deleting everything and going "Clean Slate". But I think this time istead of trying that. We could use this as a test-case for seeing how well that Move&Merge method of Wikipedia copying works for reviving an outdated and disorganized old wiki. Since he's interested I'll probably leave the wiki to Whopper after it picks up.


 * AliceSoftWiki
 * [Part of ACG. Most of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * Afker has been administrating it for along time so it's fine with him.


 * Ghost in the Shell Wiki
 * Unfortunately this is one of those big abandonings that is common for Animanga wiki. The founder joined Wikia ACG but content never got on the wiki, no comunity started, and the founder left without trying anything. I wish I could find a community to take it on though.


 * Dragon Ball Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. Most of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * It looks like Burdock has come back, so the wiki should be easier to manage. We've also started a bit of a re-discussion on the naming scheme since the old standard has gotten a little chaotic.


 * Gundam Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. No clue on what ACG stuff is setup.]
 * ValiantHeart is handling the Gundam Wiki.


 * Bleach Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. Only half of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * TheUltimate3 was the one to found the wiki but it hasn't picked up much, but there are potential contributors there. I'm going to show TheUltimate3 the ins and outs of good Wikipedia articles and how reformatting works.


 * Beyblade Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. Only half of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * The user who founded the wiki wanted to be part of Wikia ACG because of the Dragon Ball Wiki. Though it appears as if he's since abandoned the wiki. Personally I'd let the wiki go, but it's got Wikia ACG stuff on it. I personally don't consider it kind to leave a wiki in dissaray without support.


 * GaoGaiGar-Betterman Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. Only half of ACG stuff is setup.]
 * Kuukai2 founded the wiki and is working on it. Though I need to help setup the Wikia ACG stuff over there. And since it's the first dark content skined wiki I'm going to need to build a dark mod for the box-class system.


 * Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki
 * [In flux.]
 * The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is asking for the technical help of the project. There are no real issues so, since I don't want them to be left alone when they're asking for help when the discussion is complete it would be good to let them in even with the freeze.


 * Sailor Moon Wiki
 * [Part of ACG. No ACG stuff is setup.]
 * Katie5000 adopted the wiki. I need to do full setup on it as well as partial setup on a number of other wiki I never finished that on. (Wiki were coming in from so many corners I paused to do it all at once).


 * Full Metal Alchemist Wiki
 * [In flux.]
 * The FMA Wiki was actually working on joining Wikia ACG. In fact it says on the Main Page that it is part of Wikia ACG even though it isn't recognized as such. I've notified the community of that and we'll see what they say.


 * MMKB (Mega Man Knowledge Base)
 * [In flux.]
 * The MMKB has had discussion for a long time. They're actually using parts of Wikia ACG as a trial. They look content with joining with the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki's plans, but I guess I'll leave them they way they are for now.


 * Eureka seveN Wiki
 * [Not Part of ACG.]
 * Personally Eureka seveN is actually my favourite series, I'd like to put content on it, but I guess I'll hold off for now. Though it looks like it's another case of request and abandon. That's actually what happends to 90% of the Animanga wiki that get created on Wikia.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 21, 2007 @ 02:31 (UTC)


 * Phew! now that is one overpowering message! I'm not even sure what to reply to this.  I can certainly imaging a newbie getting a message like this, and being totally lost!  I know you are doing all you can to improve Wikia, I'm just worried that your long and complicated tone comes across and unfriendly, unwelcoming, and scary!  (and I have to say, I feel the same way about your .  -- sannse (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry. Nah I'm not giving messages like this to newbies. Actually, I changed some of the detailed information pages. There were some important bits of information there I couldn't really erase. But I did make it a bit easier, pages like Jump start from Wikipedia have a Summary box up top that basically summarizes everything in a line or two that any newbie can understand. Sorry about the NOTASTAFF, it's just I've had to many people thinking that I was a staff member in the past. It was fine when it was new users, but when old users started confusing me with staff members I added that to my signature. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 21, 2007 @ 23:07 (UTC)


 * Not sure what the confusion would be... or Special:Listusers would be pretty sufficient evidence to the contrary, methinks. -- 23:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I can think of one common case. I pay attention to the inside forums, mailing list, central forums, and inside a lot, among also communicating with the techs at times. And with my other technical knowledge I often get into the discussions in places such as here where users are asking for information on some of the technical stuff. Something like what the status of an extension was, or if an extension could be installed, etc... But with the technical tone (And the technical tone does fit as something good to use in those cases unlike with newbie cases) I sometimes get confused with a staff or tech who works for Wikia, when I'm merely someone who knows about these things a bit in advance by following what Wikia is doing with the technical side, and also using my own technical knowledge to provide information on things like why an extension or feature would never be installed on Wikia. (ie: Why it's to unsafe for use on Wikia)
 * ^_^ Sorry, to much text again... (Though I have at least noted to cut out portions of my message when talking to new users). But at any rate, I'm thinking of a better signature to use. Instead of NOTASTAFF, I'll probably find a good bit of text that doesn't say I'm not something, but says what I am. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 23, 2007 @ 03:19 (UTC)

widget stuff from irc
1) on Special:WidgetDashboard, the skin link needs reformatted its not  any more, its

2) on Special:WidgetDashboard, "Please change your preferences to use this tool in all its glory." doesnt really tell you what your supposed to change in your prefs, i assume it means change your skin

4) the "stale pages" widget seems to leak. its fine when i first drag it on to the dashboard panel, but when i reload the page, its dumping the raw text from Special:Ancientpages as text above it, THEN also draws the widget below it.

5) docs on where the tips widget gets its stuff, and what format it needs to be in.

6) the "manage widgets" menu, when opened from the top drop menu, when attempting to "scroll" to the right to see more, will "snap" back to the left/start of the list (this was on w:c:eq2, but its seems to not do it here on central, dont know if it was my machine. i'll do some probing, if it keeps up, or if i can track it down, i'll let you know to poke a tech)

7) the last "Who's Online" widget needs an icon.

--Uberfuzzy 11:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Uberfuzzy, that's great. I'll get all that straight to the technical team.  -- sannse (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi
I've looked everywhere and consulted numerous people, but I can't seem to get rid of the table of contents. I've even looked on the various help guides here but no luck. --User:testostereich/sig 17:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * hi, you actually templated your which is why it wasn't working so I tinkered with it and it should work now.. Cometstyles 18:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cometstyles! -- sannse (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

New Yu-Gi-Oh Wiki Channel
Hello sannse, mind adding another channel to the IRC Gateway? (#yu-gi-oh-duels)

Some of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki users (admins mostly, heh...) have spent some time using the normal channel for dueling. I made a note, and everyone thought it was a good idea to create a channel dedicated for that to keep it out of the main channel. At least one admin that would like to be able to at least see these does use the gateway so it would be nice to have. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 23, 2007 @ 03:24 (UTC)

Tips for Greeting Newbies
Hey sannse, what do you think about this greeting so far? Any tips for improving things when talking to newbies? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 23, 2007 @ 04:53 (UTC)