Forum:Global sysops

The idea of global sysops is quiet old, but still open (or suspended). At least three persons would be interested in getting this, so I would like to ask the staff finally: global sysop group will be made or not? Szoferka 01:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The issue there is technical. I've heard of bug reports of the Staff members losing their staff flags meaning there are some bugs in sharing just the Staff tag alone. Furthermore I do not know the method which Wikia is using to share permissions in that way. I managed to setup a fully working semi-shared permissions setup which defined a set of tags which were global and the rest were local.
 * However, I do not know what Johnq is planning to talk to me about. It's either about a new WGEP top wiki and all of it's technical relations with the other WGEP wiki, or it's about one of my number of technical ideas for sharing some things among select Wikia. So I can't say what's going on exactly. ~Dantman(talk) tricks May 7, 2007 @ 02:14 (UTC)

Best thing I can thing of is that there should be a restriction on who gets such rights. For example, on the Vegan wiki, an admin active mostly on a (not real) "eat meat" wiki would cause serious clashes. Or, have local rights across several related wikis such as those at Imagination hub.

From economy theory, giving admins rights on multiple related wikis, after having demonstrated ability on at least one, is beneficial because this allows the admins to do what they prefer doing on any particular site, and for each wiki to possibly have the services of all of those admins, which are of course different.

I'm no geek, but from an innocent point of view, why can't there be a list somewhere in Wikia HQ that lists everybody's rights, and then have each wiki get this information from that list, so that there'll be no glitches?

On another issue, what about temporary sysop rights? I mean, should bureaucrats have the ability to give temporary sysop rights (ie. for massive page deletions)?

--Yunzhong Hou 00:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not actually one who cares to much for a GlobalSysop group when we already have Staff... I mean, who other than staff needs unrestricted delete/protect/block abilities. But what I am interested in with semi-shared permissions is, in creating special tags ge-sysop, ge-bureucrat, ma-sysop, ma-bureaucrat which in these examples ge would stand for the WGEP, and ma would be for Memory-Alpha. Basically, what I'm suggesting is special project wide sysop/bureaucrat tags which basically now allow one or two tags to handle admins who have full access to a set of linked Wikia. Cases like the large amount of Star Wars wiki, the Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project which already spans 4 wiki and is expanding to more, etc... Basically wiki groups which would benefit from shared admins.
 * I wouldn't say that that idea is glitch free, in actuality if you're talking list like how we have the Interwiki Map, then that has the security issue that a Sysop here can make themselves a staff or sysop anywhere. Major security. Plus the list would be to big. As for shared permissions table, thats basically what semi-shared permissions actually is. The idea is that a wiki would grab permissions from a local and shared table at the same time and group them together. That's how a wiki would read semi-shared permissions. As for making those permissions... that's a different story of telling the system whether a tag should be saved locally or globally. I already built a system which does that. I just don't know how Wikia is doing it.
 * Well, we already have rollback for vandalism reverts. Though, mass deletion... I'd never promote users to do that. But I guess that's because I have a bot combo AnimeBot/User:AnimeBotSys. All I'd do is sick my Pywikipediabot framework on those pages, and it would automatically switch itself to AnimeBotSys and run as a Sysop and the mass page deletion would be handled by bot instead of making a user go to the trouble. Actually... Now that the WGEP has CleanDeleteBot, I can delete pages ProjectWide. ~Dantman(talk) tricks May 8, 2007 @ 02:25 (UTC)


 * Well, two of the main reasons to have global sysop is to deal with vandalism and spam across Wikia. Staff can often be found preoccupied with other items on the staff agenda, and there are times where no staff is available to take care of such things. G .He (Talk!) 03:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ya, I can understand the reasons. Same goes for some of the users who start getting an extremely large amount of requests for installing of various things. Perhaps a user who can be relied on to setup the forums. Or even for a forum setup bot who just needs Sysop privileges so it can add the style code. Or even for users who have made various systems like my SearchSwitch, Novelas requested that I install it there. Currently it's contained but theirs also the possibility of numbers of communities wanting it. (Although, with the new skin, there's a chance WikiSwitch and SearchSwitch (SlateSearch/SmokeSearch in their alternate forms) may be turned into actual Widgets for the system) ~Dantman(talk) tricks May 8, 2007 @ 03:24 (UTC)