Forum:Is there a MediaWiki that allows pagelayouttext for blank page option?

Hi

I created a pagelayout using MediaWiki:Newpagelayout, I just now noticed that this is only connected to one layout option. When you choose to create a blank page, the pagelayout doesn't appear, it is the same when you use a "create new article" box. -- Bunai82 (talk) 12:40, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there a question in there somewhere?
 * Be warned, almost no experienced admins use Layouts as they are basically an unsupported feature (although Wikia will likely not admit it). They also have many limitations, some of which you appear to have encountered right away.
 * You may want to consider using preloaded templates instead. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 11 Apr 2012 3:29 PM Pacific


 * Topic starter is the question.
 * I created preload templates, I just wanted to know if one could be created for the "blank page" option. Many of the contributors that to arrive at the wiki don't really know how to work wikitext, so I created preloadables. -- Bunai82 (talk) 03:22, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, then Special:Contact/general is your best option. Layouts are a Wikia feature and they often don't put much MediaWiki page customization in their features. They can tell you what might be available. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 12 Apr 2012 9:47 AM Pacific


 * As far as I know, you only have the option of making it so that Special:CreatePage automatically dumps you to the blank page. You seem to want to do the opposite: get rid of the blank page option and automatically go for the page that contains the MediaWiki:Newpagelayout text. As suggested above, though, Special:Contact might provide different answer.  As a point of curiosity, I'd be interested to know if Staff can indeed force the "other option", so I hope you come back here and report their answers.  14:15: Mon 16 Apr 2012
 * I think I finally understand your question fully. You're asking whether there is a MediaWiki system message ("a MediaWiki") that you can set to display with the blank page option.  I'm almost positive the answer must be "no".  In trying to do just the opposite at w:c:tardis, I tried to simply blank MediaWiki:Newpagelayout, and it didn't work.  If you attempt a fully blank the message with Newpagelayout, it reverts to the default message.  So I'm pretty sure that the blank page layout is achieved through another means.  That is, I don't think you're seeing a MediaWiki message which is set to when you see a blank page. The blank message is probably achieved simply through the absence of any MediaWiki message.  You could probably force a message on blank pages through JS.  But why in the world would you want to?


 * Indeed, it is not going to be smart for you to attempt to give people the same starting text each time they access Special:CreatePage. There is simply no starting text which will be equally appropriate for new categories, new templates, and new article pages.


 * Unless you want to be cleaning up a lot of pages that have this hypothetical standard text — but for whom it's not actually appropriate — your best bet is to alter MediaWiki:newpagelayout with what you believe is the most common starting text, create a variety of other standard preloads, and then educate people how to actually use wikitext to create articles. There simply is no "one size fits all" approach to wiki editing".  At some point, your users simply have to learn how to use wikicode.  Put your time into educating them, not dumbing things down to a "standard" that's not actually standard.    16:45: Mon 16 Apr 2012


 * If you want to effectively blank MediaWiki:Newpagelayout, just put  in it. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 16 Apr 2012 12:59 PM Pacific


 * Eh, I'll drop the question as I can't seem to phrase it well. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:57, April 18, 2012 (UTC)