Help talk:Rich text editor

Beta testing on specific wikis
The article says: "This extension is currently under development - it may be in beta testing on specific wikis, but may not be widely available for some time."

On which wikis is it being tested? --Timeshifter 17:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Per below, terminator.wikia is one :) Kirkburn (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks. --Timeshifter 21:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Asterisks
See my comment on our local wiki: Help_talk:New_editor &mdash; Jeiara 20:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for flagging it up: I'll pass it on. Kirkburn (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Source code
You seem to have added some neat enhancements to http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/. Are you planning on releasing the source code for this? If so, can we get a link? Thanks.


 * I found it: http://code.google.com/p/wikia/source/browse/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/Wysiwyg/.  Thanks.

MediaWiki+FCKeditor
I believe MediaWiki+FCKeditor is what is being beta tested:
 * http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net

It has a sandbox:
 * http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php/Sandbox

Its sandbox may be using a later version at times than the version tested here at Wikia. I don't know.

Its talk page seems to have more testing and discussion going on:
 * http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php/Talk:Sandbox --Timeshifter 02:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Aye, what we have been working on is based on that, but with a lot of extra development (some Wikia-specific, but not all). As far as I know, a bunch of the stuff should get imported back, both for the basic fckeditor and MediaWiki itself. Kirkburn (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Thanks for clarifying that. I will also check out the version of the new editor here. --Timeshifter 06:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I found some info on the collaboration:
 * mw:Extension:FCKeditor (by FCKeditor and Wikia) --Timeshifter 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Aye, that was the original project, though it has advanced much much further than the details on that page. Kirkburn (talk) 15:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Turning it off
I can't. "To disable this editor for yourself, go to Special:Preferences and select the "Editing" tab. Tick the option to "Disable Rich Text Editing".": My Preferences do not have that option. Help! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 22:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It will only appear when you're on a wiki with the new editor active. Kirkburn (talk) 15:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So I have to turn it off for each wiki separately? I hope it stays off permanently for each wiki then. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 22:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, the option to turn it off only appears when you're on one with it - it's just a side effect of how extensions works. It's still a Wikia-wide setting. Kirkburn (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Is there a specific list of wikis with this?
I'm curious about this, and I want to try it out, but the wiki I'm at(SmashWiki) doesn't have this. Obviously, a list of wikis with this would let me go to one with this.SZL (Talk)15:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A quick list is that all new wikis created since around the start of December have it. may help you here. Kirkburn (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Has this editor been abandoned?
I checked the recent wikis as suggested in the previous thread, and none seems to have the new editor. What is the status of this new feature ? If abandonned, I'm curious to know why. Thanks. pcarbonnelle 20:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They should do. It's a user preference, so you may have it switched off. Visit a new wiki and check your editing preferences. Kirkburn (talk) 23:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there anywhere the new editor can be tried out?
At one point the new editor was enabled on the Terminator wiki. I started this user page there just to test it out eventually:
 * http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/User:Timeshifter

But now I don't see the new editor when I click the edit button on that user page. --Timeshifter 01:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was switched off when it started causing some issues with page formatting: those issues have since been fixed however. Kirkburn (talk) 23:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Which wikis are using it currently? I don't see the new editor when I try to edit my terminator.wikia.com user page.


 * I picked a new wiki from http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week and I started my user page there. I don't see the new editor. See:
 * http://herbalapothecary.wikia.com/wiki/User:Timeshifter --Timeshifter 17:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

You might already know this but your Wikia WYSIWYG demo website contains some html (at least on the main page) which prevents your editor from working when you try to edit (kind of illogical considering the name of the wiki).--79.80.43.183 18:58, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't even know that wiki existed: it's not one we actually work on. Kirkburn (talk) 15:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Central Forums
From Help:New editor: "If you have feedback about the new editor, please visit the Central Forums or email [mailto:community@wikia.com community@wikia.com]."

This is confusing. I rarely use email for such things. I, like many people, avoid most email lists. They are too time consuming. Where is the main talk page for discussing the new editor? A direct link would be most helpful. --Timeshifter 01:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For something as large as this, we don't really want a huge discussion page. You can always search on the forum to see if your topic has already come up. [mailto:community@wikia.com community@wikia.com] is not a mailing list - it's a ticketing system, which puts you in contact with the community team. Kirkburn (talk) 23:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I am interested in browsing threads, learning from the mistakes of others, sharing ideas, getting group feedback on suggestions, etc.. Maybe Wikia could create a subdirectory of the Central Forums just for the new editor. Then all the threads about the new editor would be in one place. I find that forum searches don't help me much. They can be very time consuming and oftentimes provide little in the way of useful info. Browsing is much more fruitful, since even if I don't find my particular issue, I can still learn a lot.


 * I, and others, have this problem with the Firefox and Opera forums too. Threads get lost in these general forums. Much time is wasted duplicating discussions that rapidly get buried with other unrelated discussions. Busy people soon give up. Suggestions are ignored, or not even seen, since there are so many new threads on unrelated topics pushing all threads rapidly off the top page. I believe that is why Firefox 3 is so buggy compared to Firefox 2. Also, Firefox, like MediaWiki, depends on Bugzilla, another poor way to get feedback, or to brainstorm. Especially since Bugzilla publishes your email address publicly, a sure spam magnet. --Timeshifter 18:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How do you switch off the RTE for an entire wiki?
I ask because it has been causing several issues with page formatting and has actually locked up a few users' browsers. I'm getting rather tired of explaining how to shut it off in preferences, and the community almost entirely prefers the older editor anyway.

Screennameless -  "Goodnight, everybody!"  16:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be done via Special:Contact. Do you have any specific info about what problems are being caused - e.g. text issues, browsers used? Kirkburn (talk) 17:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really, I'm afraid. They basically come to me saying, "Help! Something's wrong!", and I always advise that they try shutting off the RTE and using the old window before troubleshooting further. Then once they turn off the RTE all of a sudden everything works like magic.


 * Screennameless -  "Goodnight, everybody!"  21:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

How I put the new editor and I use it?, S
How I put the new editor and I use it? , :S Please ANSWER ME! Thanks


 * Please use Special:Contact to request this. Kirkburn (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Help me!
On my wiki, this extenstion doesn't exist. I want to turn on it. (sorry for my bad english, I'm polish) --Texel 14:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Please use Special:Contact to request this. Kirkburn (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Other wikis?
Is there a way to get this going on any wiki, or is it only for Wikia wikis? Will it be released as an extension like the basic FCKeditor?

Also, did you ever manage to fix the problem FCK was having with indenting on talk page threads? Purple Scissor 22:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We plan to release more of Wikia in-house code over time, but I have no time estimate at the moment, essentially because the extension is still so heavily under development. As for the talk page issue you mention - I am not certain what bug that was, but I think it is very likely to have been fixed. Kirkburn (talk) 17:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! The talk page bug... basically, the editor doesn't allow indenting, as we are doing here (Or, I should say, it doesn't allow you to see the colons, so you don't know how far you are indenting). Maybe that's why you disabled it for talk? Purple Scissor 23:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you use the same mediawiki as wikimedia but would it be easy to adapt your editor to their websites?--79.80.43.183 22:08, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

translation
The new editor text doesn't appear on messaging wikia... Where can I help to translate this tool in french? --Cywil 22:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * At the moment it's not possible, but it's something we're working on. Kirkburn (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good news! --Cywil 18:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Pages with slow RTE load times.
If RTE takes a long time to load a page into the editor, (like greater than 5 seconds), before you throw in the towel and resort to __NOWYSIWYG__, try the following. Identify any time consuming templates, and wrap them either internally or externally with the conditional:

What this does is prevent RTE from rendering the template (revisionid evaluates as null at edit time). The speedup can be dramatic- typical articles on our wiki formerly required 30 to 45 second load times, sometimes as bad as 1.5 minutes. With this change to the templates, the load times are back down to 5 seconds.

The downside is that the user cannot see a representation of the visual elements that the templates produce from within the new editor, or via preview in the wikitext editor. This could be lessened somewhat by using the second operand of the conditional to display a dummy element that renders using the same visual real estate. 18:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

How to Add this to Self-hosted Mediawiki
Hi,

How to add this extension to our own Mediawiki Installation ? Vinodh.vinodh 19:12, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * See MediaWikiWiki:Extension:Wikiwyg on MediaWiki Wiki Tedjuh10 - Talk 21:04, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Note, that's not exactly the same extension. Currently our version isn't easily available as the codebase is still changing rapidly and strongly tied to Wikia, but eventually it should become easier to distribute. No time estimate unfortunately. Kirkburn (talk) 00:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

What about this ?

http://code.google.com/p/wikia/source/browse/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/Wysiwyg/#Wysiwyg%3Fstate%3Dclosed

Can this be used ?

Vinodh.vinodh 12:13, September 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, as far as I knew you could also use Wikiwyg. Tedjuh10 - Talk 19:57, September 3, 2009 (UTC)