Community Central:RfA/Manticore

RfA Blurb
I'd like to nominate Manticore for Central Wikia adminship. He's an active and experienced user with over contributions. He is very friendly and has welcomed numerous newcomers. In addition, he greatly helped Central Wikia by tagging wikis that need adoption as well as assisting in the help desk forums.

As an administrator and bureaucrat on Halopedia, he has demonstrated that he understands the proper usage of admin tools. He is often available on IRC, and can provide support related to magic words and advanced templates. On top of that, he actively patrols recent changes and reports cross-wiki spam, and it would be beneficial if he could manage the spam and title blacklists. Overall, I believe that Manticore is an excellent candidate for Central adminship. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 17:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I gladly accept this nomination. Central adminship will certainly make dealing with spam easier. ;) -- Manticore  Talk 18:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Support

 * As the nominator. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 17:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * GHe (Talk) 20:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * --Az1568 21:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * yep, good--Phoenix-wiki 21:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 *  Phil.e.  [Talk to me] 21:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Pinky Talk 21:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Real96 23:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If Treywiki can't oppose, why can Real96 support? It appears this account doesn't seem to have many edits, maybe 5 or 6 as opposed to 1 to 2. Vagstar (leave me a message) 00:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Real96 has been a Wikian for a long time edit-wise (first edit in or before March of this year) and has made contributions on other Wikia wikis too. GHe (Talk) 01:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that clarification. Vagstar (leave me a message) 04:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Although he arbitrarily banned me from IRC yesterday after I identified myself to NickServ, I do agree with Jack that on Wikia-side he's pretty qualified, IRC conduct...needs some work. That's not biased either per yesterday's incident, this is based on my experience in #wikia over the past 2 months and per Dantman below. I don't see any reason why giving him central sysop would be anything but helpful. And getting constantly pinged on IRC while I'm typing this by a particular individual trying to sway my vote is really annoying. Reading his comments on here and his harassing behavior in PM on IRC in the past 15 minutes only makes me look at his oppose reasons as less and less valid. -- 01:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - Manticore is decidedly trustworthy, and is a solid contributor to Halopedia. I have good confidence in his technical knowledge of basic scripting and IRC-technical-magicks-that-I-haven't-learnt. :P Some of his conduct against more troublesome users is at times over the line, but overall, I think he's a good candidate for Central Wikia Administrator. Best of luck, Manticore. ^^ Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 06:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: Wanted to elaborate on my problems with Manticore. He can get easily frustrated over troublesome users or less knowledgeable users; while at times it's quite vindicated, it's a bit more aggressive than I'd usually be, which is a bit more passive and respectful even with bad users. However, my support still stands for an overall good user. =] Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 06:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Support, this user definitely can be trusted. Медиа (Media) 09:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, kinda surprised he wasnt already. --Uberfuzzy 04:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong support&mdash;as an established and experienced (and hopefully respected) vandal-chaser over on Wookieepedia, I can say no less than that I look up to Manticore in his antivandalism efforts. They should make a spin-off of "24" about him. And Greyman. But that's beside the point. He has had nothing but helpful dealings with me on IRC, and he has helped with my favorite antivandal tool, the cvn room. &mdash;Graestan ( This party's over ) 05:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

 * Zomg *absolutely* not. Vagstar  Sign my guestbook 19:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but aren't you this user? If you could add something useful to your objection, that would be appreciated. -- Manticore  Talk 20:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Rather redundant that you mention wikipedia here, I thought this was wikia? Vagstar (leave me a message) 23:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, above you are mentioned as "friendly." The times I've come across you on IRC, which happen to be a lot, you've been very abusive, and rude. That's just about the opposite of friendly. Let me know if you need more, I'm happy to provide it. His new tools of #wikia ops = example. Vagstar  Sign my guestbook 20:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose... wouldn't say he's a troll, but I'm not sure if he should really be trusted with adminship. In the IRC channel, he's made some questionable decisions regarding his op access, and at Halopedia he's not very well liked because of apparent abuse of his sysopness. I don't entirely disagree with any of the decisions he makes, but they are certainly weird, which is why I am opposing his adminyshipness. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 21:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding this, the following is from #halopedia channel last night, where I was under another nick, "Channie". As you may know, I have 20 different and linked IRC nicks, and I have to use them to make sure that freenode staff won't drop them...


 * For the record, if this wasn't op abuse, then I don't know what is...when was I informed that I was supposedly "impostering" someone? I have been a user of Freenode IRC server for a rather long time and I've owned the nick Channie probably as long as I've owned IRC nicks Jack_Phoenix and JackP|Away. Besides, if I was "impostering" somebody, couldn't the nick be banned, and not my whole cloak? This is from #halopedia channel's banlist, as of now (you can access it by typing in /mode #halopedia +b): * #halopedia Ban list: Sun Nov 18 00:04:02 *!*@wikia/Jack-Phoenix GPT!n=GPT@wikia/Guesty-Persony-Thingy


 * Confirmation from third party with regards to the ban (Timezone = EST):

===	GPT!n=GPT@wikia/Guesty-Persony-Thingy banned *!*@wikia/Jack-Phoenix from #halopedia on November 17, 2007 5:04:02 PM.
 * GHe (Talk) 22:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, GPT had access on #swfanon, the IRC channel of Star Wars Fanon Wikia. And the result? See User talk:Jack Phoenix/Archive 2. He blatantly abused his access and tried to make me look bad in front of the SWFanon community. Likewise, he impostered another SWFanon admin, SquishyVic and tried to make us look abusive IRC ops in front of our community.


 * This is from #wikia in August, related to the impostering case mentioned above:


 * Besides, I cannot be sure how objectively you're looking at this...due to your failed RfA. Making   is quite childish to me. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 22:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I banned you because you were using the username of another Halopedian in Halopedia's channel, not because you were using a nick that didn't belong to you. About the SWFanon thing, I wasn't trying to make you look bad, as I have explained to you. About the other impostering things, those were a long time ago. Maybe not chronologically a long time ago, but personally a long time ago, and I have matured very much since then. As for the hidden comments, I was making a joke, and if you've got something wrong with that, *you* should stop making jokes, or else you're a hypocrite. As for bringing *me* into this discussion very clearly labeled "Manticore," that seems a lot more childish than anything I've done. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 22:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I always thought you weren't really supposed to paste logs, but I guess that rule has long since been abolished. But is this really relevant to a "Manticore" discussion? I would think not. Vagstar (leave me a message) 23:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

In Jack's defence, the "Channie" account has all of 15 edits, and is a rather obvious joke sockpuppet. I have seen him use that nick, albeit infrequently, long before that account made any edits. See w:c:halo:Halopedia talk:IRC Channel for more discussion on the matter of IRC impersonation. -- Manticore  Talk 03:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't really care about that, that isn't about you, is it? I'm at loss to why it was brought up in your RFA. Vagstar (leave me a message) 04:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it. What do these logs have to do with Manticore? If nothing, please remove them. This page is not the place for general #halopedia disputes. Angela (talk) 04:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally believe that the above logs are relevant, because they show that GPT is not in the position to judge Manticore of "op abuse" - especially when Manticore hasn't abused ops. From what I have seen on various IRC channels where Manticore has ops, he's a person who's careful with ops and knows how to use the tools. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen Manticore abusing ops ever, as GPT here claims. I've merely seen him banning trolls, removing old bans and changing channel topics. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 22:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, Jack. There you go again. Of course, you guys always forget the times you really abuse ops. *hint* #thetestwiki (brb, bbl) *hint* Vagstar (leave me a message) 23:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The nature of #thetestwiki and The Test Wiki is informal, as they're meant to be places for users to perform tests and hang out casually. The actions performed, both on The Test Wiki and #thetestwiki, are not meant to be of a serious nature, similarly to comments and actions made in #uncyclopedia on a daily basis. The nature of #wikia and #halopedia are more formal, as the average topics of the channels do not generally constitute tests, jokes, parodies, etc, especially with the use of ops. Someone hanging out at a casual club would not be expected to perform the same as someone attending a wedding. GHe (Talk) 23:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just pointing this out - I have some examples from #wikia & #cvn-wikia. Vagstar (leave me a message) 00:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments
IRC =/= Wikia. I've seen this user a lot and he's always been helpful.--Phoenix-wiki 21:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently, I didn't make myself clear, wikia is included in this. Vagstar  Sign my guestbook 21:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't normally get in on RfA's unless there's a reason for me to add input but I'll provide a little bit:
 * I would like to note that Manticore has been the one in the past to bring PinkyBot (Before it was configured to not do anything in #wikia) into #wikia to make use of the insultive !blame features.
 * I should also note that IRC is a valid thing to consider, as #wikia is part of Wikia and many users on Wikia wiki come into #wikia for help. Disruption in IRC disrupts the wiki as well because the same groups of people are on both.
 * However, TREYWiki should be ignored as listed above. And GPT has proven to be a disruptive person in the past so the feedback from other users should be considered rather than his.
 * Phoenix-wiki actually has not been in IRC very much, or for very long. If we're taking considerations of IRC in we should take the input from users who actively stay in IRC and have been around for a long time. (Vagstar has been around #wikia longer than Phoenix-wiki)
 * Personally Manticore never made the same helpful impact on me that I noticed from Jack and moreso GHe. I didn't really notice much coming out of him. Personally I'd like to see how he's changed from when he'd bring PinkyBot into #wikia even though he was told not to.
 * I just did a search of Manticore through my IRC logs. Which have an extremely substantial size, especially for #wikia. And I don't see him in there actively helping the new users coming in out. I can barely even detect it. I see 99% more of him participating in Jack_Phoenix's #cabalistic ways and asking for help then I see him giving help.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Nov 19, 2007 @ 00:21 (UTC)
 * I also find that Manticore has little to no patience with some of the newbies in #wikia, and has even kicked some of them before with little to no reason. Vagstar (leave me a message) 00:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think I've encountered cases of arbitrary kicking in #wikia. Do you have reference to a specific case? Thanks. GHe (Talk) 22:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking through my IRC logs, you are not always on when Manticore is on, but not important. I would rather not post the logs just here, but the next time you are on IRC, ping/pm me (I'm on 24/7), and I'll reference some cases. Vagstar (leave me a message) 23:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, as I assumed. Jack Phoenix is proposing empty ideas in the nomination, Manticore certainly has helped the forum area, with 29 edits, in two months. Maybe 7% of the contribs, if I remember. 41% of his contribs are in the "user talk." That sure is a lot, isn't? Vagstar (leave me a message) 01:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * And regarding IRC Logs, this is getting a bit childish and wrong since I believe IRC and Wikia should be kept as far away as possible but looking at contradicting evidence provided by both the "supporters" and the "Opposers", it seems highly likely that something, somewhere is wrong, but can't this be solved some other way instead of spewing it all out on this RfA..arbitration or mediation maybe (not that wikia needs it) but a better option rather then this pointless name calling and providing vindictive logs which may or may not be correct or true at all..-- Cometstyles 23:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)