User blog comment:Dopp/Communicate Easily with Message Wall/@comment-737801-20110927061845

Before I start on this, I'm going to say that I would really like a staff member to read this and respond because, while I know it is hard to respond to about 500 comments, there is some things in here that aren't being addressed, or in some cases ignored in my opinion. They say the truth hurts, and there will be more than a few things that may come off as abrasive, harsh, or rude, but these things need to be said and I feel are very important to not only this issue, but the future of the Wikia Network. I do encourage anyone reading this, especially staff, to continue to the end and please respond to it, especially staff. I know that I really have no priority over anyone else, but I will make points and I hope that someone in the staff can at least take the time to read and respond. I know this might not do anything, but I felt that I had to try none the less as I like Wikia, I like what they stood for, and I hope they can find the path out of the woods again and get back to doing what they do best, create the best, highest quality, most comprehensive, and the best and only place to get information on a topic.

What is stated here is my own opinions, my own observations, and my own takes on the issues here.

For anyone reading, this is a wall of text, ok an article, so be warned. I spent over four hours typing this, no joke, took up over ten pages at TNR 12 point font on MS Word, so the very least the staff can do is read it. Please?

Social Media Site
There have been multiple statements from staff members that Wikia is not trying, or will be a social networking site. Yet this is nothing more than a bold-faced lie and while obvious to just about everyone else, the staff isn’t seeing it, and that is disturbing. Dopp’s statement of “we’re definitely still Wikia” has been called out by five separate individuals and the biggest one being Godisme. He is one of the most experienced non-staff wikians I know, and he has in the past supported the staff on some decisions, but for him to come out and say “Dopp, this is false, come on” tells me something, and it should be telling you something as well. The staff has diluted themselves into thinking that this is the best course for Wikia, and it isn’t. Wikia and the Wikis you support are about making articles, storing information, collecting information, and presenting it in a fashion that people understand and get. Every time you add a feature like this, you take away from that propose and slowly convert wikis into social networking groups.
 * Chat still doesn’t work right
 * Expanded and “updated” user profiles that look more like something on a social network site. There’s a reason I won’t fill out mine.
 * Expanded social features rather than fixing content based features, and adding new content based features
 * More and more features that emphasize the social, rather than the content side of Wikia.
 * Content is the heart of a wiki. It’s what drives the people on a wiki to do what they do and keep improving, and I truly and honestly believe that the staff has forgotten this.
 * Facebook is good, but you can’t have content and social media in the same package, it just doesn’t work. Pick one pelase, and I know that the content is where Wikia came from, where Wikia’s future is, and where you will see this network become the best in the world for high quality wikis that not only are informative, but have a strong community to back them up.
 * Social features are a fad. Social features will only last so long, but the drive to be the best information source for game series, to collect every piece of data there is, and present it to people the best way you can, is something that can’t be extinguished. There’s always that drive to do better, and with social media, you can only go so far. With a content-based system, there is almost no limit. There’s always something to improve, something to work on, something to find, and that is what makes a wiki great. Not Wikiafarmville, but a high quality, informative, detailed, and comprehensive article on Ezio Auditore da Firenze, the USS Enterprise-D, or Normandy SR-2 the People look for those articles, not a social networking device.
 * The average life of a social game, or social media device is on average six months. So that means every six months you as a staff are going to have to come up with a new fad that hasn’t been tried before. I can guarantee you that you can’t do this every six months because it will take longer to develop. Yet again however, the drive to get every last piece of information on a particular subject, lasts a lot longer and provides a sense of purpose to the person who edits the page.
 * Social media sites lack purpose, while a wiki doesn’t. Making the best place on the internet for a particular subject can drive a person, or a group of people for years, and that is what Wikia built itself on, and where it needs to go back to. Wikis are about information, not some cheep social device, and if this goes through, then you have taken the first step on what will be a very short road.
 * Fix what isn’t broken. Wikia seems to be doing a lot of this lately, and it all comes out wrong. There is no need to reinvent the wheel every two days, and yet that is what I keep seeing. The staff says talk pages have limits, but in fact they don’t see that the limitations are actually quite miniscule, if non-existent. Forcing yet another social media change on us with this “new and better” comment system, makes wiki look more like a social networking site than a serious place for information, and credibility will suffer because of it. This system sin’t broken, but instead provides users with a whole host of freedoms that the staff just can’t see because they feel the need to turn Wikia into a social networking site.
 * There’s a reason that some schools have class projects where someone cleans up a Wikipedia article. Because they know the content there matters, and that is something that the staff at Wikia, seems to have forgotten. Content is the core, while social features are the crust. They are both important, but if you have a core that isn’t solid, then your crust doesn’t matter. Social features need to work within the wiki structure, not replace features that make a wiki resemble a social site.

Wikia is transforming from an information site to a social networking site and the people at the top have either ignored all of this, are going along with it, or, and this scares me, have really convinced themselves that they are doing what is best. You aren’t, you aren’t listening to feedback, you aren’t doing what is best, and you aren’t thinking in the best interests of the Community at large. I’m convinced that you are only looking for the best interests of the company, and while I know that Wikia is a for-profit company, if you lose readers, contributors, and people coming to the site, when where will your money come from? I know that someone here said something like that, think of your interests here. Very few editors come here for the social side of Wikia, and while we have tools for that purpose, we need to put the information side of a wiki first, and this is something the staff keeps ignoring, keeps pushing aside, and keeps trying to eliminate.

Please, staff members, look at Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, or any other Social Networking site, and say that Wikia isn’t starting to look more and more like them. Wikis are about content, information, presenting information, and organizing information first, socializing second. If that means that you are different, then we should be celebrating that fact. We don’t need another clone, we need a site that knows what’s its purpose is, and right now, Wikia’s purpose is up in the air, and if you keep confusing your purpose, then the only thing you will end up doing is driving people, readers, and contributors away. Differences are to be celebrated, not resented, and if you continue to look more and more like a Facebook clone, then that is what you will get. More than one person has commented on how people talk on the internet, and if you keep going along this path, then that is what the entire Wikia network will eventually look like, one giant blog. Now the staff may be happy with that, but the vast majority of users, and I think more than a few staff members, will say that is a problem. Articles on just about every wiki I visit are of very high quality, are abound with just about every piece of information that they can get, and have a purpose. If you keep turning this network into a social site, then that purpose, that goal of being the best place on the internet for information just about everything, is going out the window as fast as your focus on content.

While I do like the socializing part, I would prefer that Wikia Staff Members look at this proposal, look at Facebook, and tell me that you didn’t get this idea from there, and that Wikia with this won’t look like that very popular SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE with this update. Wikia needs to look back and see where it came from, and go back there. Make wikis about content again, because if you keep going on this route, then you will eventually be calling wikis “Groups” and the content will be discussions about whatever the wiki is about, instead of preseting what the wiki is supposed to do, present information on what it is about. This isn’t me bosting, but rather me looking at where Wikia is going and be being outright scared by it.

If I want Facebook features, then I’ll go to Facebook, but I, and many others, don’t want them here. I’m here for the wiki, and socializing comes second, and I’m sure that a lot of people, readers, users, and even staff members, will agree with me on that point.

New Message Board
Where did you get the idea for this? If someone tells me it wasn’t from Facebook or inspired by it, then that is yet another lie. It looks and functions exactly like Facebook so telling us that it isn’t a social networking idea is also a lie. I’m sorry but this is the truth. This new message board, even if you called it something different, wouldn’t have fooled anyone. This is another attempt to make Wikia into a social networking site, and we don’t need another Facebook clone. What we need is the Wikia that is about presenting, collecting, and gathering information, not another social networking site. Socializing is fine and everything, but the more you staff add features and turn Wikia into a social networking site, the more that purpose takes over, the more the content side of Wikia will suffer, and that will drive users, readers, and contributors away. The heart of wiki is with its Community, and if all that Community does is talk, then the content, quality, and reputation of the wiki will suffer.

Please Staff members, use some common sense, listen to your users, and please rethink this being mandatory. If you want to add a more social message board for people, and link it with their talk page and profile, then I, nor will probably anyone have objections. If you even make the feature optional for users, then that’s even better. But please stop forcing things stuff on us because you are doing no one any favors, including yourselves. There have been plenty of alternatives proposed, and I think having optional for each individual user is something that will not only work best for you, but will work best for users and will prevent your hard work from going to waste.

Also in the future, might I humbly suggest that the next time you think of an improvement, before you start developing it, consult the Community first, get feedback, and continue to do so, until you have something that everyone can agree upon. They don’t have to like it, just agree that it is good enough to take to the community. I’ve never seen the staff do this in anything they have presented recently, and you are continue to catch flack from it until you do that. You keep coming to us with ideas that have already been fully developed with no one from the community giving feedback until you say “here’s something new, we’d like feedback on it, but at the same time we are still going to force it on you in the end”. That isn’t the way to run a network like this, or a business for that matter.

Staff Forcing Unwanted Changes on the Community
Repeatedly in the past, the staff has forced new things on users and repeatedly the community has resented, opposed, resisted, and done just about everything to oppose it. Features like the new editor, it still has issues and despite almost ongoing complains, there seems to be little that has been done to fix it. I want the old editor back, or this one needs a serious facelift. It causes more problems than it solves and the staff forced it on us. There was little discussion about it. There’s a reason that the RTE was disabled at more than a fair share of wikis, because it caused more problems than it solved. I heard the staff say that we can’t support two editors, yet you did for a time, and the old editor was simpler, quicker, and didn’t break articles or cause repeated headaches for users. In all honesty, please either fix the editor, or bring back the old one.

The Admin dashboard, one of those things that was good in theory, but horrendous in practice. Making admins sit on a white screen for the Recent Changes screen was a bad idea, and I want the old screen back. If I want to use the Dashboard, then I’ll use it, but forcing admins to use it has generated more than its fair share of negative feedback. There have been more than a few features

Dopp you said for us to give it a chance, yet then you say this will be mandatory. That doesn’t make sense and it’s honestly extremely rude by the staff. You want us to give something a chance, but then turn right around and say “it doesn’t matter anyway as this will eventually be forced on you in the first place.” That is not the way to go about this, yet it is a line the staff that toted again, and again, and again, and again. If you want feedback, then stop forcing things on us, take the time, generate ideas, get feedback, modify the idea, get more feedback, and stop approaching the Community for feedback after you have developed the idea. I know this may seem like obvious to users, but it is something the staff doesn’t seem to get, getting feedback before you completely develop an idea from the people who are going to end up using it is essential to the development process. If you say, “this is an idea that we created, didn’t take any feedback from you until now”, is just slapping the entire Community in the face. I know that it is impossible to make everyone happy, but when you can get nine out of ten people saying that they are satisfied with it, then you have something that you can and bring forward to the Community at large. So far, you haven’t doing this and judging by this, you aren’t going to do it anytime soon.

I know that the staff sometimes has to make unilateral decisions, but when those decisions affect how wikis present themselves, how they are organized, and how they present information, then that isn’t something you can do by yourselves. You need to get Community Feedback before you start developing something. You don’t do that, you just develop, then force your ideas on us, even when everyone says no. You forced Oasis on us, you forced chat on us, you forced the dashboard on us, you forced more and more social networking features on us, and we’ve taken it, but enough is enough. You need to start listening to us, and you aren’t doing that.
 * We were promised that the menu bar would be expanded, yet that hasn’t happened.
 * We were promised that the width of the Oasis skin would be expanded after a trial run. That was almost a year ago and yet that hasn’t materialized.
 * We were promised that we’d get more involvement with developing new features. Yet it is painfully obvious form this blog that you have ignored this statement and will just continue to force things on us, even if we don’t want it.
 * You continue to make things mandatory, and yet people say that there are bugs in everything. Nothing is perfect, but if you keep coming out with buggy software, then people will just keep resenting you.
 * You need to start listening to us, and please stop forcing things on us that the community don’t want, doesn’t need, or has proposed alternatives.

Staff Ignoring Negative Feedback
I know that reading through a list of negative feedback when people are swearing, ranting, being counterproductive, is not fun, but it is still essential. If you have 350 people you are asking for opinions, and 340 don’t like the idea, 3 are neutral, and 7 like the idea, and you cater to the 7 by implementing the idea, then the only thing you are doing is slapping the 340 in the face. You are telling them their opinions don’t matter and that you don’t care about their opinions. That may not be your intention, but that is how it looks and that is how it comes off. I also know that this is not the staff’s intention, but you cannot deny that this is how it looks and this is how things have come off in the past. The staff ignored a lot of community opinions on multiple subjects and if the staff ignores the 340 in this case, then the only thing you will see is more hate, more anger, more rudeness, more people saying the staff doesn’t care, and more people saying the staff is forcing things on us. This is an unpopular feature, and forcing it on us, when so many people don’t want it, isn’t doing you any favors, it’s just doing to further alienate you in the eyes of the Community, the internet, and the world.

Wikia was a site for creating wikis, collecting information, and presenting it, yet every feature over the Summer months has been adding more and more social networking features and turning Wikia from an information site, to a social networking site. No one on the staff can ignore this fact. Everyone here sees it, yet you aren’t, and when the people at the top aren’t seeing what is plainly obvious to everyone else, is very disturbing. I come to Wikia for the wiki, to see information, and to contribute information, not for socializing, and that is exactly what you are forcing on us. Eventually, the only thing wikis will be for is for socializing while throwing content out the window.

It has been demonstrated more than a few times that the staff either bypasses, twists, brushes off, or just outright ignores negative feedback. While again, I know that reading a list of profanities, insults, threats, and whatnot is not only dishearting, rude, a chore, and disturbing, just making a tally of people who oppose and support a new feature can tell you wonders about an idea. The staff needs to show they are listening and you can start by involving the Community more than you do, not making things mandatory, and by just taking the time to consider alternatives. Your path isn’t always the correct one, and sometimes others may have a better, and more workable solution that you never even considered, or even dismissed.

The staff has shown by repeatedly forcing things on us, starting with Oasis, that you think that your path is the only one, and that you don’t care about anyone else’s ideas except your own. You need to realize that you aren’t always right, I’m certainly not always right, and I accept that. I may not like it sometimes, but I’ve seen the staff on numerous occasions dismiss things that were actually sound ideas or sound alternatives. I seem comments all the time that the staff says that they are taking all considerations into account, but the tone of the comments and the language used is telling me that you are not and that you only consider what you think of. The right path is not always the easiest one, and you need to start looking towards that path, rather than the quick and easy path.

Loss of Credibility
I know of numerous wikis that are considered the best place for information on the net for their topics. The Vault is the best place for information on the Fallout Franchise. Memory Alpha, which was initially an independent site, joined Wikia and is the best site for information on Star Trek. The same with WoWWiki, and we all know what concessions you’ve given them, so extend them to us as well, starting with a wider content space.

At the Mass Effect Wiki, we’ve been told that we are the best source for information on the Mass Effect Universe by Mac Walters, a.k.a. the lead writer for Mass Effect 2, the comics, and Mass Effect 3. He even admitted he referenced us a few times while writing the series. We’ve gotten statements from other BioWare staff members that say similar things, and thank the fans for keeping it up to date.

If you keep moving along with these social networking features, then you will fall down a slippery slope, and you are already falling down it actually. However, there’s still a few cliffs/branches/whatever that you can catch yourselves on to stop your fall into a Facebook clone. We want wikis, not Facebook, and that is what you are doing to Wikia. Turning it into a Facebook, and everyone is fed up with it.

Many wikis apart from the ones I’ve mentioned are consider the best place for information on that topic. Yet if you keep pushing this agenda, then instead of Wikia being known for high quality, comprehensive, informative wikis, and the best place in the internet for information about a particular topic, you will instead be known for a low quality, uninformative, and incomprehensible groups about a topic, but no real information, quality, or comprehensive information on a topic. Wikis will be nothing more than a series of message boards about a topic, instead of the high quality, encyclopedic databases that many wikis are. When I look for information about Fallout, I don’t bother googeling the topic, I go straight to fallout.wikia.com. I’m sure that many don’t google the topic either, they go straight there. When I want information on Assassin’s Creed, guess where I go, assassinscreed.wikia.com. Wikia has a extremely high number of high quality wikis, and if this agenda keeps getting pushed, then you will lose what credibility that Wikia and the Wikis you support have. Your decisions have consaquences, and I don’t think the staff is seeing that. Your decisions affect millions of people, trillions upon trillions of bytes of data, trillions of articles, and thousands of wikis, and I don’t think the staff realizes this. Your credibility as a network, and the credibility of thousands of wikis is on the line here, and if you keep pushing your social network agenda, then all of that will fly out the window, and you will never get it back. You’ve already lost some of it when you implemented Oasis, and you are still continuing to walk down that path. I ask you to please stop before you take us all down with you, and think of the missions of people you are impacting, because I don’t think you are.

We need and want wikis that present content, organize information, collect information, and are the best places for that topic on the internet. What the staff wants is a social networking site that exists only for that purpose. Content is the heart, mind, body, and sou of a wiki, not a social network, and certainly not features that distract from the content, make users monitor things that they more than likely don’t want to, and figure out new systems when the current system works, isn’t that hard to figure out as you think, and provides multiple services in one package. This new message board feature would be the first step in what will be a very short road of changes that will turn Wikia from a content based network, to a social based one, and that isn’t what the Community, and I’m sure more than a few staff members want. Any staff member can say that that isn’t what is going to happen, but the fact remains that if you go along with this feature, then that is exactly what you are saying.

Wikis aren’t about socializing, well it’s a secondary feature, it’s about content. I honestly believe that if the staff goes along with this feature and forces it on us with no option for it being options, you will lose what credibility you have as staff members with the Community, what credibility Wikia has a site for hosting wikis (not social networks), the credibility the wikis you host for being the best places on the internet for information on their topics, the credibility of wikis in general, and the credibility of the wikis that Wikia hosts. If you turn Wikia into a social networking site, and this is the first step, then you will see all that billions of people have worked so hard, for so long, for fall apart at the seams. Wikis will leave, people will leave, and most importantly, so will readers. Actions have consequences and if you only consider what you as staff come up with, then you narrow what you think is the right answer.

Remember that the right path is not always the easiest one, and the right path, generally involves listening to people and considering other things apart from what you alone came up with. Other people may have better ideas, alternative ideas, and even something that you never considered.

Grades
Because I feel that the staff, and a few others need to see some feedback, I feel that I must grade the staff on their performance since Oasis was released.


 * Effort: A-
 * I can’t deny the staff puts in so much effort both behind the scenes that we never see, and in public eye. And while I can say that we all appreciate it, some of that effort may be sorely misplaced.
 * Quality: C-
 * Many things that have been recently released have been buggy, fraught with problems, hated by users, and denounced as hampering the process of building and maintain a wiki. Wikia is about wikis, not a social network.
 * Wiki Content: B
 * The staff keeps coming up with ways to distract, undermine, and hamper the process of making, building, and maintaining a wiki. Things like changing features at the drop of a hat, adding distracting features, reinventing the wheel (multiple times), forcing things on users, and not listening to feedback.
 * Taking Feedback: D
 * It has been demonstrated more than a few times that the staff does on some cases brush off good alternatives, good suggestions, and even other ideas. Critical feedback on new features was never taken until the final stage of development, and despite overwhelming negative feedback, the features were still implemented.
 * Acting on Feedback: D
 * This speaks for itself. Chat is buggy, the admin dashboard needs a serious overhaul, the new editor is not up to the standard that it once was, and several promises that were made have either been forgotten, ignored, or not acted upon.
 * Direction: F--
 * Wikia seems to be debating with itself about what direction it wants to go. Does it want to be a Facebook clone? Does it want to be a social networking site? Should it be a discussion site? Should it be a content-based site? These are all questions that Wikia seems to be throwing around on a millasecond-by-millasecond basis, and I know where both the users want it, and the money will come from. By falling back to Wikia’s roots and reinvigorating the content-based side of Wikia, I can say with certainty that you will see more users, more contributors, more readers, and the more people seeing adds, which makes you money. By forcing new features on us that play to the social side of the wiki, you will see users, readers, contributors, and even entire wikis leave. That makes you lose money because you can’t sell the ad space.
 * Quality of Content: C (and falling)
 * As more and more people become distracted by the staff forcing more and more social networking features on us, the quality of the information on wikis will suffer, and eventually be nonexistent. Wikia will lose wikis, people, staff, contributors, and readers if they turn what was known for the best place to host a wiki, to a Facebook clone.
 * Acting on promises: C
 * I’ve seen the staff say multiple times that they take things into account, that they want to get the community involved, or even that they’d do things, and none of it seems to materialize. We said that in about six months, the staff would reconsider the width of the Oasis skin, well a year is coming up and still no word on that. The community wasn’t consulted, as far as I can tell, on this system until the staff was ready to say, “We’re done, now we want feedback, but we don’t care about it really as we intend to force this on you anyway”. You can’t keep forcing things down our throats, you will only shoot yourselves in the end by driving contributors, wikis, and even whole communities away. Halo.wikia.com used to be the best site for the Halo franchise, but now I go to halopedian.com because I know that the Halo Nation isn’t close to the same standards. You gave concessions to WoWWiki to have them stay, and yet still people left, and more people will. This time, I think you will lose the entire wiki. And they will only be the first.
 * Listening to the Community: C
 * The C here represents average. Wikia staff is good at reasponding to individual requiests, but some of the large issues, I’m not so sure about.
 * Features: F
 * More and more buggy features for the content-based side of Wikia, and more and more social features. Features that also make a wiki look like a social network affect its credibility, whether you see it or not. There’s a reason Wikipedia still uses talk pages, and has user talk pages set up the same way, because it shows they are serious about what they do. This new features make it look like we are all here for fun, rather than the serious nature of the vast majority of wikis. Please fix the bugs, restore the purpose of a wiki to a content based system, and you will see that you will see more people, both in readers, and in users working to make it a better place.

Closing Remarks
I believe I can speak for everyone when I say we are not saying that social features are a bad thing, but we all want the content, encyclopedic, and database side to take priority, precedence, and be the thing that Wikia is known for. Not junk message boards and broken features, but for high quality, informative, comprehensive, useful, and knowledgeable wikis that are the first, and best place for information on a topic.

Please staff, use some common sense and please read the feedback, reconsider, and please turn Wikia back into the network we all know and love. A network that while providing social devices for the community to interact with each other, still makes the content, the heart, body, mind, and soul of a wiki. If you keep walking the path you are, then you will find yourselves in the Social Networking Kingdom where Facebook is king, and you are the lowly present. Instead capitalize on what you do best, being the King of content based sites. The wikis on Wikia are again the best places in the world for information on that respective topics, and you are pushing them further and further away from that. Please stop before it’s too late. That way when other sites come crawling to your kingdom, they will find that they can’t compete because Wikia is King, and the massive community of editors, admins, b’crats, unregistered contributors, and the staff backing each other up are holding all the keys, know all the secret passages, and know the way of the land. Everyone else will have to learn the hard way, yet you already did that.

To conlude this massive wall of text and this article really, go back to doing what you do best Wikia, be a site for information, content, and information, not some cheap Facebook knock off. You can’t compete with Facebook, but they can’t even hope to compete with you at what you do best. Socializing is fine, and having features for it is great, but if you forget, for even a millisecond, that content is the heart, body, mind, and soul of a wiki, then you have lost your way and you need to find it again. And I pray that you do because I do not want to see Wikia fall into the social networking craze. I’d rather see Wikia standing proud, with the community of million, if not billions behind it, focusing on information, facts, and building the best sites there can be for a particular topic. Facebook can’t do that, and that’s what makes Wikia great. You don’t, and can’t fight Facebook at what they do, so please stop trying. Social features that fit within the context and structure of a wiki, along with features that support maintaining content, and being the best place on the internet for a topic, is what Wikia was about, and you have strayed from that mission. Please reopen that file, reexamine what you are doing, where you want to be, how you are going to get there, and what is in the best interests of the wikis you support. I can guarantee you that if you reinforce the content of a wiki, people will come, readers will come, and you will see Wikia busier than ever before with people wanting to take part in a site that emphases quality, comprehensiveness, information accuracy, and a project. This is because it gives them purpose and gives them a drive to accomplish something. Social elements are great, but not when the compromise the quality, credibility, appearance, and feel of a wiki.

Content is the heart, mind, body, and soul of a wiki, never forget that. We, the community haven’t forgotten that, and that is what we want to see. Content being the core of a wiki, not some social devices that distract from the purpose, quality, effectiveness, accuracy, and content of a wiki. Wikis are about content, not socializing. That is a secondary objective, with the first being to present the best information you can to your audience. Develop social devices that work around that, but this feature is implemented, starts Wikia on a road with little chance of them turning back, and affects the quality, appearance, credibility, and accuracy of a wiki because instead of presenting itself as a database for the best information on a particular subject, it makes it look like a social networking site, and we all know the credibility of those sites. Please stop trying to compete with Facebook, Twitter, and other social media outlets, because you can’t. On the flip side, they cannot compete with you if you go back to reinforcing the content and cores of wikis.

Finally, please consider the following statement.

''Information is your weapon, your editors, your soldiers, admins and b’crats your junior officers, quality, your standard, and you the staff, the generals. You know the mission of your wikis, be the best and only place for information on that topic, and accept nothing less than that. So please don’t forget it.''

Sincerely, Lancer1289 Administrator Mass Effect Wiki

My second post on this subject: here