User talk:Angela/Archive 1

WikiMac
Hi Angela,

Thanks so much for getting WikiMac up and running. Could you please grant me Bureaucrat status on WikiMac? (As I'm the one that created the wiki).

Also, I would deeply appreciate a Chinese version. Like Wikipedia, it would be best if it could support Chinese traditional and simplified.

FInally, how do I change the image? It's a sunflower at present, with square brackets.

Thanks, --DavidFeng 21:15, 9 Nov 2004 (PST)

Multiple User Pages
Hi, Angela. :) I joined WikiMac, but was surprised to discover that I had a separate user and talk page. I think the idea of signing up once is great, but it's somewhat frustrating that I would need to maintain so many different personal spaces. Just commenting. Thank you for welcoming me. :) func(talk) 08:51, 19 Nov 2004 (PST)


 * The option of having one user page should be available in future. Angela

Building G.Knowledge Wiki citie into a frame set within the main GreenZone.org Site
Angela, Thank you for updating the logo on the [G.Knowledge] Wikicitie. I just now noticed. I was working on the other sections of the site. So, again, thank you very much.

Would it be possible to build G.Knowledge into a frame set within the Main [GreenZones] site? I tested this and the wikicitie G.Knowledge site pops out of the frame.

The reason I need to build the the site within the main site, is to keep the navigation on top, to allow people, members to move between the wiki site, and the other community features within the [GreenZones].

Also, how do I become the admin for the site? How do I control the content within the site?


 * Now fixed. Angela

questions & some answers
Q: I hope I'm interpreting this correctly... is the "talk" page where it's most appropriate to address messages to a particular user?

Q: How do I set up a link to my e-mail without actually entering my e-mail address? I thought that was possible based on the way the ID form was worded. A: How blind can I get, I see the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox now. (I'm leaving my dumb/initial questions here as potential fodder for an FAQ. Would you like me to start one?)

--Robin 15:32, 6 Dec 2004 (PST)

P.S. I tried using things like Editing help, but since no one's had a chance to fill out some things like that... I'm just giving it my best guess. Thanks to the folks who run this site for the opportunity. I've made some notes in the Sandbox.

Q: Also, is there a "main" user page? A: Never mind on this one, I just found the User List under special pages.)

Q: I'm entering this anonymously, but this is from Robin. I tried to change some preferences, and now all the pages I view are scrambled with raw html commands. How can I change my preferences back to the default (which worked)? A: See instructions. (You have to adjust the instructions slightly. I'll post more about how to do that later.)  --Robin 20:07, 13 Dec 2004 (PST)

Peace City
Hi Angela many thanks for geting us started with the Peace Wikicity - we are having a retreat to get people up and running and then hopefully we will settle down in a year or two. Just so you know three of our active members have commented on the good vibe that wikicity provides.

Keep up the good work.

One thing I find strange is. . .. when I edit a section on the front page, a comparison table comes up and I have two edit boxes and then I have to re-edit the section to include the whole page otherwise if I save the edit section becomes the whole page - I must have changed my settings - m m m. . tried to go back to the default ones without luck. ..

Any ideas? 82.69.58.117 01:31, 7 Dec 2004 (PST)

UKrailways
Thank you for getting UKrailways going, I could do with Bureaucrat status, so I can enable some administrators in the fullness of time.

Bedders 00:44, 15 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * I'll do this when I am back from vacation next week. There have been some changes to the software which means I can't currently make admins, but I will try to sort this out by Monday. Angela 13:38, 17 Dec 2004 (PST)

Angela 02:15, 21 Dec 2004 (PST) Another bug has caused all admin access to be lost again!


 * This should be working normally again now. Angela

Sustainable Community Action
Hi Angela have been trying to add logo, uploaded image to 'Wiki' but just got page protected notice. Image also uploaded with different name. Thanks, regards


 * Philralph 02:26, 17 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * You need to be an admin to upload the logo. I'll make you one next week (see also message above). Angela 13:38, 17 Dec 2004 (PST)

Angela 02:15, 21 Dec 2004 (PST) Another bug has caused all admin access to be lost again!


 * This should be working normally again now. Angela

WikiMac (18 Dec 2004)
Greetings Angela,

WikiMac reporting a few errors -- my bureaucrat status has gone in the English version and my admin status gone in ZH (Chinese). I'm kindly requesting bureaucrat status for both accounts.

Thanks, and have a nice weekend,

--DavidFeng 05:40, 18 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Hello. It appears that I am having the same problem.  I noticed that when I tried to delete a page in Calgary Community, I no longer had that capability.  -- JamesTeterenko 07:04, 18 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * There have been some changes to the software which meant everyone lost their admin powers, including me. Jason is currently trying to fix this. I will restore everyone's admin/bureaucrat access as soon as I have mine back. Sorry for any inconvenience this is causing. Angela 20:46, 20 Dec 2004 (PST)

Let me know if you have any problems with the new access levels. Angela 02:15, 21 Dec 2004 (PST) Another bug has caused all admin access to be lost again! Angela 03:50, 21 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * This should be working normally again now. Angela


 * It works for me. Thanks Angela.  -- JamesTeterenko 05:47, 24 Dec 2004 (PST)

NeoPets Guilds
Angela, Thanks for setting up the NeoPets Guilds!

I've added a bunch of start-up pages, including some help, the poetry and newsletter pages and created a disclaimer. It's all rather raw now, but I guess that's in line with wiki growth. Thanks again!

As I mentioned in e-mail, the majority of the people in the PurpleLightHouse Guild which is helping to start the wiki are 14 years old or older. However, a few are under the 13 year old lower limit set for wikicities. Does that limit mean that they cannot contribute to any of the wikicities (including the Guilds) or just to the main one? Since we are planning to keep the content of the NeoPets Guilds wikicity ok for all ages, I've assumed that they are permitted to visit the site and read the hints even if they shouldn't have an ID. And, given the way the World Wide Web is, we really couldn't stop them from visiting. (Sorry, I should have asked this earlier, but since I'm well over 13, it didn't occur to me until I was trying to boil down the Terms of Use for the site.)

- RJ 17:43, 20 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * The terms of use apply to all of the Wikicities. However, they are still in a draft format, so I will talk to some others about whether this clause legally needs to be in there and let you know the outcome of those discussions. Angela 20:46, 20 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Since I know (in real life) the only participant in the guild that is starting this up who is under 13 (assuming the others whom I don't know, told the truth about their ages to the NeoPets site), I can enforce this fairly easily at the current time. In the future, it could be more of an issue.  I can put it in the Terms, and block violations that I'm aware of... as you discuss this and share the outcomes, could you consider the following?  Are we permitted to encourage younger users to visit (but not post)?  Am I required by the terms I agreed to to try to block visitors who are younger than 13?  Can children under 13 have IDs, but only be permitted to post in certain wikis?  For now, I'll put a no IDs or posting for under 13 in the NeoPet Guilds Terms.  Sorry to bring up all these questions, but I hope it's better to do so now. ?? - RJ 06:43, 21 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Thank you. I've changed the NeoPet Guild's [Guidelines] to match the revisions to the term.  (People under 13 can have IDs, but cannot give out personal information.)  I'm posting this here, in case anyone was interested in the outcome, but you're welcome to delete this thread.  (I'll come back and delete it in a week or so.  I know I can do that, and I hope it's ok etiquette for me to remove my outdated questions from your talk page.  (If not, please let me know.) - RJ 17:32, 23 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * You can remove it if you really want to, but I generally prefer to keep an archive of older comments since often the same questions will come up again, and also it's interesting to keep a track of what has been asked before. Angela 18:24, 23 Dec 2004 (PST)

Angela - Thank you again! (This time for the permissions.) NeoPets Guild has a logo now. It's a little smaller than the recommended size and fairly simple because I don't have good picture editing tools on this PC right now. (sigh - guess it leaves room for improvement) - RJ 22:13, 24 Dec 2004 (PST)

MASP
Thank you for you assistance getting started. Just did a look see at "recent changes" and find the edits I've done on MASP and Astronomy are not included. I would like to change Masp to MASP and have moved content to the MASP pages to facilitate that. I am looking forward to MASP showing up on the wikicities home page.


 * The wiki is now available at http://astronomy.wikicities.com/. I'll move over the edits that you placed on this central Wikicity to that new one. Angela 06:44, 23 Dec 2004 (PST)

Statistics
Thanks for logging the bug about the statistics. I was going to mention it to you, but I figured I would do a bit more testing myself. I figure it has something to do with the fact that I do not have content in every namespace. The next time I have a few minutes, I'll probably create at least one page in each namespace and see what happens. Have a merry Christmas. -- JamesTeterenko 05:47, 24 Dec 2004 (PST)

Proposed Wikis
Hello, I noticed the following on your "to do" list on your user page: Proposed wikis: Business plans, Jitney Network. Since I created these pages, how can I help? Samw 05:25, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Hi. Those were just on my to-do list as I realised I had meant to respond to them and hadn't. I also wanted to check with you whether you wanted the business plans wiki created yet, or were just waiting to see whether others were interested first, but after reading Proposed wikis again, I think you mean you don't actually want to start this immediately. Is that right? Angela 06:27, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Correct, I think the Business plans wiki should stay in the main namespace until there's demonstrated interest and that the main namespace should be used as an incubator for this and other ideas. Unless there's a ready-made group surrounding a topic already, wikis will take a long incubation period before they take off. If the main namespace gets too polluted, may I suggest an "incubator" wikicity?  One criteria for when a wiki is ready to move off to its own wikicity is when there starts to be namespace collisions.  In the meanwhile, I'll happily add random thoughts to the business plans and other wikis to get the ball rolling.  Samw 09:48, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Hi Samw. I do like the idea of an incubator wiki. However, this could lead to broken links when the wiki is moved to its own domain, unless redirects from the incubator to the live site are going to be kept, which could lead to far too many redirects eventually. Do you think that would be a problem? Angela 04:28, 29 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * IMHO redirects are not necessary for all pages of wikis developed in the incubator. For internal links, getting them correct in the new Wikicity would be part of the setup in the new Wikicity.  If a page in the incubator is so popular that it already has external links, then it should've been moved to it's own Wikicity long ago.  That's another pleasant problem to deal with on a case by case basis.  Samw 06:31, 31 Dec 2004 (PST)

G-Wiki..or maybe G-Pedia
Thank you all for my new toy: Genealogy.Wikicities (or maybe I will promote the term "G-Wiki" or "G-Pedia").

Having said that, I sent you an e-mail about naming--though I am cotoning to the one y'all chose for it.

The question I have is about SysOps; I don't think I have gotten anything about that from you or found anything that tells me the who's and how's of Administrating that Wiki.

Thanks again. &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 06:19, 31 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * I can understand the name doesn't sound that exciting, but the aim of the URL is to have something easily guessable, as explained in Name for the wiki. However, the title for the wiki can be anything you like, such as G-Pedia. Moving the Genealogy:Main Page to the title you'd like will help to give the wiki its own identity, and the namespaces (if those are going to be used) can be changed so that the project namespace is the same as the title for the wiki. Angela 21:16, 1 Jan 2005 (PST)

Footywiki - ready to start
Hi Angela - I'm unsure whether my e-mail is working, so just letting you know that I'm ready to start work once the wiki is created.

Charlie

using formula
Would like to add this which works on wikibooks. How do I please?  $$\frac{\infin=1=0}{2}$$ 82.69.58.117


 * This is known bug. I've just increased the priority on it, so hopefully it will be fixed soon and math tags will work here like they do on Wikibooks. Angela 08:17, 6 Jan 2005 (PST)

Useful links to game products vs paid advertising
Just added a question over at Talk:Terms_of_use that I'd appreciate guidance on from Wikicities, would you be able to answer if you get a moment? GreenReaper 01:19, 7 Jan 2005 (PST)

Peace_: - let me in
I tried to join your new group, but haven't been confirmed yet. As for the above, it's an introduction & it's as good as any. Most of the people who came to the page probably aleady have had some kind of contact with me somewhere. I did receive a very funny reivew of this site from Sabine. My main job is writing new poetry. I'm also wondering what's going to happen here, I thought you might delete this place very soon. So should I do something else or let it go or delete it? I notice that there are still visitors. I never expected there would be 450 visits. But it's slowing down now. I can't always get online when ever I want to. We don't live in Los Angeles anymore but in a small town in a low spot where mountains woods & the ocean come together. The electricity goes out or the phone lines do I couldn't get online most of Thursday & Friday. Much of the downtown was destroyed by a tsunami in 1964 after an earthquake in Alaska. So when can I write messages at peace-1? Steve


 * Hi. Regarding deletion, the site is certainly not going to be deleted. We have the target of reaching 24 million page hits a month by the middle of next year. The site if going to grow, not disappear and be deleted. I can sympathize with you about not being able to get online since I've had the same problem recently and am still trying to catch up. :)


 * The Peace-l list seems to be working. Is this what you meant when you said "new group"? Did you not get a confirmation email when you tried to subscribe? What exactly happened? Angela 23:57, 10 Jan 2005 (PST)

Wiki request
Hello, Angela. I've resent the information. Please tell me again if there is any problem with it. Thanks, Djinn 17:03, 12 Jan 2005 (PST)

It's Peace Jim but not as we know it
Peace Elements

Wow, this is decidedly unpeaceful for a Peace wiki. I just wanted to let you know that as a bureaucrat, you can only make sysops, not "unmake" them. If you need anyone desysopped, please let either me or Jason know. Angela 18:49, 12 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * LOL

Mysterious. The Ways of the Force, they are.

Me a bearucrat? Gosh. Well I suppose the person who needs to be desysopped is Lobster. I know for I am that cructacean. Good to see the Wikicities search engine and other continuing ease of use features. Well done to you, Jason and Jimbo :-) Lobster

Nifty Stuff For Dummies @ Peace Elements
Hi Angela...thank you for your suggestions and guidance on the licensing stuff. My serious "ART" friends would kick me for any of that but it's all pixels anyways. You made it really easy to apply the changes with the links. I just don't get online as much as I used to w/ my current soul-sucking day job...we do not have internet access...--Lynnkub 20:05, 12 Jan 2005 (PST)

Thanks
Angela, thanks for uploading a logo to Tourism &mdash; it's much better than anything I could have come up with! &mdash; and for the other advice. (I'm going to be WikiVacationing for a couple of weeks until the beginning of February, so I'll have to wait until then before I can do any more work on the Topic-Tourism wiki.) Matt Crypto 06:16, 13 Jan 2005 (PST)

ICQ
Hi Angela

- trying to sort out ICQ on Linux

using GAIM - tried to find you. . ..

here is my new Linux ICQ - :-)

ICQ 275855951

I notice you use Skype - used this twice and was impressed - if I work it out for Linux will arrange a chat

- however getting CurlChat running is more of a priority

Also notice you use IRC - maybe it would be worth sorting this as we have a specific wikicities channel - never used it much

Any possibility of a wc (wikicities - hey your name) chat room?

Be Kind (what kind? The best kind you know how)

Onward And Upward Sideways And Inward (as they say in some dimensions)

Many thanks as always

Lobster


 * Hi Lobster. I don't use ICQ or any other types of chat other than IRC. It's hard enough to keep up with everything in the 6 channels I monitor there to really want to find other places. Angela 04:02, 14 Jan 2005 (PST)

Harming minors
From Terms of use:
 * Users of this service shall not act in a way which would be harmful minors.

First, it's harmful to minors. Second, why doesn't it state that they should not act so on Wikicities (implying that they should not act this way in real life either, which is commendable, but not really enforceable).


 * I've made changes to reflect this comment. Angela

Third, who decides what is harmful?


 * That's a matter of judgement which Wikicities would have to make if someone complained about some harm being caused. Angela

I hate stupid legalese. Just for information, let me explicitly state that my use of Wikicities should in no way be constitute my endorsement of or agreement with the terms of use. I do not agree with anything written there and reserve the right to sue Wikicities for libel, slander, loss of revenues, personal discomfort and anything else. I hate stupid legalese. Paranoid 06:42, 14 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * I can understand that you hate it, but we do need a terms of use. Are there any ways in which you think it could be made less legalistic? Angela 09:38, 14 Jan 2005 (PST)

Your Feedback (NeoPets Guilds)
Angela - Thank you very much for your feedback! I value your opinion, so it's wonderful to hear the good stuff and helpful to hear the constructive. I'll try to watch it on the unnecessary underscores. I'm still learning wiki formatting (obviously). I've learned a lot from the good examples on the Wikicities main site and WikiMac. One of the next things I need to understand better is when to use the wiki's namespace and about redirecting or moving pages. I found some pages on those topics. Now I just have to read and get a better understanding of how it applies. Thanks again! - RJ 11:33, 14 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * I've adapted these two help pages from Meta to make them simpler and more specific to Wikicities. See Help:Namespace and Help:Moving pages. Basically, whether you use the project namespace or not is up to you. Do you want to separate content from information about the wiki? On Wikipedia, this is important since you don't want policies mixed in with encyclopedia articles, but for Wikicities, there might not be so much of a reason to separate these. On this central Wikicity, we don't use the project namespace at all. Angela 12:46, 14 Jan 2005 (PST)

Google ads bug, Administrator status, Toki Pona VfD
A few things: First, have you ever edited a page with google ads? The little "styles" bar is way up there, and the ad pushes the textbox down a mile. Use the button ads on edit pages PLEASE, they're 120x120.


 * I'll copy this to talk:advertising. There are a lot of issues at the moment. Angela

Second: I suppose I had to create my username on the Mozilla Community wiki first, so I've done so, same as this one.


 * The name should carry over to all Wikicities. Angela


 * I think I tried to login but failed. I did sign up with the same name/pass and it seems to have taken it instead of rejecting it.  Anyway, what I mean to say is, I wasn't sure if you were going to create an admin name and send me the name and password or if I had to make my name and it would be granted SysOp status.  I can't currently upload the new logo (which isn't a problem... yet) etc, so I'd like SysOp as soon as possible.  It's not needed yet, so no rush, but eventually I will to add the logo and whatever else arises.  Also, I got an edit conflict when I tried to submit this (i seem to get one if i take too long editing a page), and appaerntly what it's tried to do is send this section as the whole page instead of just replacing the section.  I've had this happen quite a few times already and it's annoying.  There's no conflict.  --Me at work 14:44, 16 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * The 'bug' suggested on my talk page was indeed true, I had that option "Show preview on first edit" checked. It is now unchecked.  I suppose you could edit in a warning to "not use this feature" so that noone else makes this mistake. --Me at work 18:38, 16 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * It's a known bug. See MediaZilla:275. There is also a new help page about this at Help:Edit conflict which can be linked to from MediaWiki:Tog-previewonfirst. Angela 18:55, 16 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * Thanks a lot, I saw that in recentchanges so i checked my profile and there it was. I didn't even know about that option, nice job :) Maybe someday soon the googlead CSS fixes I mentioned on Talk:Advertising can be implemented.  If you want to see what they look like without actually going into the server, get EditCSS and install it.  It is for Firefox, but I'm doubting that's going to be a problem, although I don't know for sure which browser is your preferred. --Me at work 19:07, 16 Jan 2005 (PST)

Third: Toki Poni is up for deletion, same with the creators name. Since we have a Toki pona encyclopedia here, I see serious problems going to develop from the links to the wikipedia entry for it which are in the aforementioned article if it goes through (but i doubt it will). Just thought you should be cognizant of that one. --Me at work 00:44, 15 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * I don't think it will have a lot of effect. The toki pona community is fairly small, and there are better ways of promoting the wiki that through a link on a Wikipedia article. Angela 09:18, 15 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * As an update, it looks like it's Deletionists: 1, Inclusionists: 0. Page now gone. --Me at work 23:16, 24 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * Do you mean the Wikipedia article on toki pona is gone? It seems to be still at Toki Pona. Angela 04:02, 25 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * Gah, I clicked my VfD link then the other link I pasted, which ended in 'i' instead of 'a'. Oops. --Me at work 09:31, 25 Jan 2005 (PST)

Monobook.css
[Comment from my to-do list: Why is MediaWiki:Monobook.css not working?]
 * It's not working because there is no default page there. If you look at Special:Allmessages, they are all red links on other wikis.  However if you create the page, it does indeed work.  I have tested this on Mozilla Community successfully. --Me at work 13:09, 24 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * The page did exist, with a {text-decoration:none;} on it, but had no effect so I deleted it. Links seem to be non-underlined now anyway so it may have been a temporary problem. Angela 17:56, 24 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * I see them all underlined now. Should I Shift-Refresh?  About monobook not working, I made the little user bar (Name, My talk, Prefs, Watchlist, Contribs, Logout) a sidebar for a bit, and after a forced refresh it was fine.  Maybe you're having caching problems?  --Me at work 23:15, 24 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * Odd. Which skin are you using? In everything other than monobook, the "Underline links" option within "misc settings" in your preferences ought to turn these off. In monobook, they are off for me even after refreshing. Angela 04:02, 25 Jan 2005 (PST)

Blocklist not auto-expiring?
One which was supposed to expire a few days ago is still showing as active in mozilla:Special:Ipblocklist. --Me at work 06:35, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * Another bug: mozilla:Special:Statistics.
 * Excluding those, there are ' pages that are probably legitimate content pages.


 * There have been a total of ' page views, and ' page edits since the wiki was setup.
 * That comes to 0.00 average edits per page, and 0.00 views per edit.
 * And yes, I know interwiki links are broken to mozilla, but eventually they won't be? --Me at work 10:41, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * The blocks issue has been fixed according to MediaWiki bug 1204. I'll see about upgrading to the latest MediaWiki.
 * The Special:Statistics issue is listed at bug:56
 * The interwiki links ought to work soon. This is bug:60.
 * Angela 12:48, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)

Changing namespace
On my Pok&eacute;mon wiki, The wiki namespace is currently set to "Pok&eacute;mon". I would like to change it to "Pokemon" as the making the &eacute; is a hassle and impossible to type in the search box without copy and pasting or with a foreign keyboard. So... Could you help me? – Jellochuu! 14:27, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * This is changed now. The name for the wiki is Pokemon, not Pok&eacute;mon. Angela 15:17, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)

Also, are we allowed to supress the Google search box via Monobook.css? – Jellochuu! 14:53, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)


 * No. This is a sponsored search, and will supposedly make money which enables us to run Wikicities. I've added this point to the terms of use now. Angela 15:17, 27 Jan 2005 (PST)

Licensing
Are Wikicity founders allowed to choose their own licensing for the wiki they founded? Or does it have to be GFDL? I would like to license content on the Pok&eacute;mon under a Creative Commons license... – Jellochuu! 09:26, 30 Jan 2005 (PST)
 * I know you removed your question but I decided to revert & answer. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Multi-licensing.  You can (probably) multi-licence your own edits.  Maybe this is helpful? --Me at work 11:09, 30 Jan 2005 (PST)