Community Central:RfA/Tomsen

RfA Blurb
Hello, my name is Tomsen (Thomas Wenk) and I'm a sysop at Central-Wikia (de), Scratchpad (de)/Mini-Wikia and a bureaucrat at Uncyclopedia (de), Locopedia (de) and Harry Potter (de). I'm now also active at the Request-Wikia and switch through several little Wikis (not only Wikias) to help. I want to help with vandals and spam and therefore I will join #cvn-wikia regularly, update the MediaWiki:Newsbox/de more often and help especially new users with welcoming messages, answer help questions and many other things. Most of the time when I am online, I am also in the IRC (#wikia, #wikia-de, #de.uncyclopedia and since today also at #cvn-wikia and #countervandalism). I remain respectfully yours Tomsen (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Strong support. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 18:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Strong Support You do a great job over here, you deserve it. -- °≈ R Y A N ≈° /blab blab blab 23:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. GHe (Talk) 00:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 13:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Vagstar (leave me a message) 16:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Strong Support, for reasons given below under 'Oppose', with the condition that, since Tomsen doesn't have a lot of edits where he's applying for adminship, it wouldn't bother me if people decide that there's something else he needs to do to qualify. But he's a great guy. - Dan Dank55 01:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. I tend to disagree with Cometstyles. If a large part of user's contributions on central Wikia is greeting newbies, it doesn't mean that he can't revert vandalism too. If someone wants to work to help the project - make it possible for 'em to do so. That's my principal point. Since it's clear for me that Tomsen is a very experienced editor and he says that he wants to help with vandals and spam, I support Tomsen. Медиа (Wassily Steik) 07:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
Strong Oppose - Welcoming people is not really the way I want an admin on wikia to be..Please you don't need to be an admin to welcome people since that is by far the only way you have contributed to wikia..noo ('Adminship is NOT a trophy)'..-- Cometstyles 00:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Adminship is NOT a trophy -- Do you really believe that I want only the rights to get a new "trophy". Sorry, but I don't. I know admin-tools very well and I don't feel like a ruler and the users are my followers. I'm really sorry when you believe that. Tomsen (talk) 14:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm relatively new around here, but to me, words like "trophy", "gullibility" and "lame" suggest a violation of WP:CIVIL...and would if Cometstyles backed up his allegations, which he hasn't. This isn't Wikipedia, but we're all Wikimedians.  On the other hand, I'm in complete support of the point that fairness is important, so there should be some minimum number of relevant edits on Central in particular and Wikia in general before someone becomes an admin.  I'm not experienced enough to know what that number should be, but I would have no problem with giving Tomsen some "homework", because that seems to be the style in RfA's on WP.
 * Having said that...Tomsen is a great guy, and he has the friendliness, desire, and skill set (English, German and Spanish, just for starters) that merit as much support as we can give him. Cometstyles, if you want him to do something more to earn admin-ship, tell him what it is, please, don't bite his head off. - Dan Dank55 01:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments
[referring to Wassily's support...moved down here so that it doesn't break the numbered list] That really didn't make any sense..he isn't experienced and you can tell from his edits and for all we know he is a banned editor on some other wiki with a new account since wikia checkusering policy is a bit 'lame'. Canvassing can get you votes, but it will never get your trust..sorry but your principal is way to gullible from my POV..-- Cometstyles 16:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Comestyle, but I don't unterstand your problem. I don't have any second account and I am not banned at any wiki. Where you get your information? Excuse my expression, but your are very impolite to me and I am really surprised why you are against me. I really don't know why. I remain even so respectfully, Tomsen (talk) 17:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * simply>>>most of your edits (65%) is to usertalk space and they all are Welcoming new user, we have over 300,000 users and welcoming them is the most easiest way of collecting edit and that is 200 of your 304 edits and none of those requires adminship to do so and secondly, another 11 % of edits is to your username space which totals o 76% that is over 3/4 of your edits requires no need for sysop bit, you only made 18 edits to mainspace and overall only 30 real edits which just shows that you don't really need the sysop bit and you can do without it...-- Cometstyles 17:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the statisic about my contributes at central wikia (en), but you can't rate somebody only because of his/her contributes. Look at the common RfA page. It lists all requirements for an adminship at the central wikia and I really believe that I can answer all question with a "yes". You didn't see my e-mail account and support, you didn't see all offline work to organise the german wikias to attract new users and you didn't see my question I wrote to you. I asked where you get the information that I have two accounts and be blocked at several wikis? And the main question is still open: Why do you believe that I don't have any experiences? Only because of a statistic? Tomsen (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats the point, experience and statistics do matter, i know two admins whose only real contribs were welcoming users but apart from that they did help around a lot, I won't name them, they know who they are themselves, but I haven't seen that from you..and if 75% of your edits here hasn't been useful, then I don't think you need the tools, please think with an open mind, you are applying for adminship for this wiki, you need to have valid and useful contribs on this wiki such as those that deal with Mainspace and template as well as helping out in the forums which you lack considerably, and thats what you need to do before requesting adminship. Taking adminship lightly is the problem I see here, we don't want hundreds of admins on this wiki doing nothing..and this wiki has tough deletion policy, and I know that and as far as I know, you haven't actually dealt with much in terms of deletion requests or vandalism reverts, you need to have experience and all this applies to this wiki and it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 edits in some other wikia wiki, if you have less experience here, you don't qualify, atleast in my books :) ...-- Cometstyles 22:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcoming Users isn't useful?! When you believe it - it's your opinion. I think it is, because new users want a red line where they have a hold. You have to know that I have an open mind. You and me, we both have a different perception. I can't change it and you can't. I think we should close our little depat know, because we don't come to a common ground. But some of my questions are still opened: e.g. Where did you get the information that I have two accounts and be blocked at several wikis? Please answer them because of my personal interest, but you have to know that it isn't correct. I remain again respectfully yours Tomsen (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * as mentioned above "welcoming users is the lamest way of increasing edit count" and most of this users will never even edit on wikia or maybe on any other wikia wikis and if you have ever edited wikipedia, you will know this..and Please stop misinterpreting what I said above, I never called you a troll, all I said was that the only edits you made on central have not been helpful and doesn't show what you will do when and if you become and admin because as I said above, you don't need to be an admin to welcome people and that seems to be the only thing you do and secondly, what do you know about the wikia policies which is quite different from wikipedia policies, and believe me, I don't think you are up for the task yet and people are supporting you above because they believe you to be a good editor on the german wikia but apart from that , they know nothing and thats what I was trying to say..please read every word slowly and only then you will understand what I'm trying to convey to you, because right now wikia policies is in favor of newbies becoming admins i.e people with less/no experience of being an admin and that doesn't apply to wikia wikis which may only have 1 or 2 editors. I will never support any person I don't know and yes, i don't know you and I have seen your edits and its not impressive from my POV and I'am not picking on you, all I'm saying is that you are not ready and you need to gain more experience in both the technical and general aspects of what wikia is really all about...-- Cometstyles 17:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really hard to write such a complex situation and opinion in English. I will try... I read every single word twice and know I have to comment some sentences. I edit at Wikipedia twice. Twice! Twice, it's not much to know every issue. But I'm really involved with the wikia community and the Wikias. There and here you can't count every contribute from me, because of the MediaWiki Software. If some pages are deleted, where I leave a template like deletion, there won't be a contribute in my contribute list. I'm very sorry about that fact (->"The only thing is welcoming people"). And everybody apart from you don't know anything from me, but you know it? Now you are interpreting. Fact is that I really know Wikia and their issues, if you believe it or not. I close the conversation know. I hope we don't cross-purposes in future. Greetings Tomsen (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)