Forum:Images (with history) problem

Hey, as one of the admins of Wakfu wikia I've been trying to sort out the images there because a recent change in the computer game we cover (called Wakfu unsurprisingly). This include the wiki.png file. But I seem to have run into a problem/bug, and wasn't sure on the situation.

Basically, I've instated a naming convention for images (Spell_Class_Spellname), and moved all the current images to their correct name. No problem there.

I've then upload a new icon for each so they match the new icons found in the game itself (and uploaded completely new images, where no previously appropriate image existed). These new images often look completely different, and are at a different size. This is where the problem starts. I'm having a number of display problems for these images if they are replacing a pre-existing image. I'm getting a combinations of results:

1. The "current" image is displayed at incorrect size (e.g. ... the size of previous version, this sometimes scales the image back to its "proper" size giving a poorer quality of image)

2. The current image is displaying an older "visual" (e.g. )

3. The current image is suffering both 1&2 together, effectively showing an older version of the image, rather than the actual current. (e.g. )

4. The current image displays correctly, but often reverts to a bugged state (after restarting the machine for some reason).

This is when viewed directly (rather than from within an article, though the bug does effect the image within the articles as well). The images are a mix of jpg and png (and any editing is done in Gimp).

Other people I have asked to check have reported similar display bugs, and I have check with both IE8/FF3.5 at a different location (essentially a machine which has never previously visited the site).

On a similar note, when changing the Wiki.png image, do you have to use a 216*155 size image? or can you have 216*167 for instance?

Thank you --Defunc7 00:35, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Defunc7, most of these issues are fixed when clearing your Internet cache. I just visited your Wiki and didn't really see any of the issues I described. If it is just purely cache, that would explain why I see the site as it should be seen. If, after clearing your cache, you are convinced there is still a bug, you can ask for a quick Tech lookover by reaching Special:Contact.


 * As for your question on Wiki.png size - yes, the image can be bigger than the 216*155 size. Technically but not preferably it can be any size, but I don't think a 216*167 would have any load lag issues. However, to make sure it displays properly you will have to access Monaco.css and manually adjust the header image display settings. If you're not familiar with CSS, I'd be glad to help you with fixing your Monaco up. --DaNASCAT 03:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you. By "clearing your cache" I assume you mean the browser cache? I've done that multiple times, and that actually seems to bring the problem back (and I can't exactly see how the cache of another machine would have stored the picutes if it's never been to the site before). Except in the case of Wiki.png which is permanently (for me) stuck as the wrong image (it is displaying a version with a blue person, when it should be just displaying "Wakfu Wiki" in a blue/green colour). Sometimes even the thumbnail in the history displays "current" correctly, but links to the incorrect image.--Defunc7 12:41, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do mean Browser Cache. If that really is causing issues, Special:Contact sounds like the right place for you to go. However, in the case of Wiki.png, you need to go to MediaWiki:Monaco.css on your site and clear that cache (same way you would clear your browser cache). It would also help to check to make sure the proper hyperlink is in place in the Monaco.css section for Accent_Graphic. Here is our Accent Graphic:




 * I've noticed on a few wikis, wiki.png does take a while to update. If you upload the image you want as a Wiki.png as a different name (like WikiHead.png or something) and then paste the direct hyperlink where I have my URL. Refresh Monaco.css and that should most definitely let you see the image you want. --DaNASCAT 14:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're being very helpful, thank you :) I think I may have a bigger problem than just images now... the person who set up my wiki (I'm not one of the original admins) seems to have borrowed files wholesale from the Dofus Wiki (an earlier game from the same company) so I've discovered a number of css that refer to that location instead of wakfu.wikia.com etc. This brings me to 2 other questions (again): 1. is there anything that lists all the wiki's mediawiki files (I found a special page for all images but could spot anything else), and 2. is there any standard set of files I can pull from somewhere which are the default css files for when a wiki is first "turned on"? My mediawiki:monaco.css doesn't appear to have either a #accent_graphic section of any reference to wiki.png at all.


 * I have sent a message using the special:contact (about the images only, as I hadn't spotted this issue beforehand) so I guess I'm awaiting a response from them :) --Defunc7 21:42, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've received a message from the support, saying that the image issue is something to do with the image-hosting servers going out of sync with each other. Apparently, it should clear up in a couple of days. :) --Defunc7 23:31, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Defunc7, the MediaWiki files you should be familiar with are MediaWiki:Monaco.css (specifically deals with how the skin looks - this is the only real place I can think of where MediaWiki files would have URL links to images), MediaWiki:Common.css (helps customize article objects like tables, tabs, etc.,) and MediaWiki:Common.js (which is only important if you are trying to get a script to run; if you're not familiar with JavaScript you don't really need to ever access/edit this page). Those are the MediaWiki prefix pages that are pretty important.


 * Now there are multiple other MediaWiki pages on your Wiki (like the list at User:Wikia and site notices). Here is the official help page about the MediaWiki namespace, but I don't think this is as current as it should be. MediaWiki on Help. But when dealing with your original question, yes, the first three I mentioned are the ones you need to know and Monaco.css is the only place where I would see old images still being linked. --DaNASCAT 04:12, October 20, 2009 (UTC)