Forum:2008 Jan 13 IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PST (California etc).


 * [12:01:13]  anyways, let's start
 * [12:01:13] * Channie is now known as Jack_Phoenix
 * [12:01:22]  so all go back to your regular nicks please
 * [12:01:26]  lol
 * [12:01:28]  watch it Channel_Services you'll get k-lined
 * [12:01:35] * Channel_Services is now known as Sgt_Johnson
 * [12:01:51]  intro time! State your NORMAL name, and wikis you are involved with, etc
 * [12:02:04] * PanSola is PanSola, from GuildWiki, happens to be a sysop there
 * [12:02:31]  H! my name is Sgt_johnson. I am from Halopedia, where I am a user with rollback. I am also from Ace Wiki, where I am an admin and b-crat
 * [12:02:37] * Charitwo is Charitwo, an admin from FFXIclopedia and I pop around all over Wikia in general.
 * [12:02:37]  Sky2042, sysop on wowwiki
 * [12:02:39] * Quits: Whopper
 * [12:02:43] * Tesfan is Tesfan, from RuneScapewiki, and a sysop
 * [12:02:45]  Azul81677, Moderator: Final Fantasy Wiki, Admin/Sysop: Kingdom Hearts Wiki
 * [12:02:56] * Jack_Phoenix is a Wikia janitor (http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Janitor_policy_and_guidelines)
 * [12:03:11] * Azzt|Hwk is Azzt_Rhell, he is a member of Teh Wook and RSWiki, and honorary member of Halopedia
 * [12:04:03] * Obito is ChurchReborn, she is from Halopedia.
 * [12:04:41]  what is Teh Wook?
 * [12:04:45]  Wookipedia?
 * [12:05:03]  nods
 * [12:05:11]  Duh. :P
 * [12:05:27]  I didn't know that
 * [12:05:44]  ^
 * [12:06:00] 
 * [12:06:05]  Azzt: use tags :P
 * [12:06:33] <Sky2042> lol
 * [12:07:10] <PanSola> anyone else here?
 * [12:07:14] * Quits: Azzt|Hwk
 * [12:07:22] * PanSola pokes Dashiva
 * [12:08:07] <PanSola> ok, any wikis got any news/issues to share?
 * [12:08:24] <Dashiva> Oh, it's that time again?
 * [12:08:28] <Sky2042> lol
 * [12:08:29] <PanSola> yeah (-:
 * [12:08:34] * PanSola pokes fw190a8
 * [12:08:34] <Dashiva> I'm still me
 * [12:08:42] yes?
 * [12:08:48] we're featured! (fr-wiki)
 * [12:08:50] that's good news
 * [12:09:04] <PanSola> fw190a8: intro
 * [12:09:12] intro?
 * [12:09:17] <PanSola> Dashiva: not everyone one remember which wiki you are from
 * [12:09:22] <PanSola> self-introductions
 * [12:09:23] <Sky2042> who are you? =)
 * [12:09:33] hello, i am fw190a8
 * [12:09:36] <Sgt_Johnson> YES
 * [12:09:36] from forgotten realms wiki
 * [12:09:40] <Sgt_Johnson> I have an issue
 * [12:09:41] * Dashiva is evil dictator and template monkey from tabularasa
 * [12:09:42] * PanSola pokes Warpath
 * [12:09:44] administrator extraordinaire
 * [12:09:48] <Sky2042> what wiki are you on?
 * [12:09:58] <Sgt_Johnson> I have some information that some idiots from a rival Ace Combat Clan are going to destroy Ace Wiki
 * [12:10:01] * Warpath pokes PanSola O_O
 * [12:10:02] <PanSola> haha fw190a8 earlier when you say "fr-wiki" I thought you meant the french version of a particular wiki
 * [12:10:12] hehe we should have picked a better abbreviation ;)
 * [12:10:18] <Sky2042> me too ;(
 * [12:10:19] we're over at #fr-wiki on this very server
 * [12:10:20] <PanSola> Warpath: self-introduction please (-:
 * [12:10:26] <Dashiva> PanSola: As for issues, maybe cover the job queue mess
 * [12:10:31] <Warpath> I'am Cometstyles and I suck :DD
 * [12:10:36] <Sgt_Johnson> And I heard that there was a program that wiki's could be installed that unregistered users can't register and unregistered users can't edit
 * [12:10:44] <Charitwo> cometstyles is always to blame
 * [12:10:47] <Charitwo> :P
 * [12:10:47] <Warpath> vote for me \/
 * [12:10:48] whenever anyone says 'job queue' i picture a line of people outside the bathroom
 * [12:10:48] <Jack_Phoenix> s/program/extension
 * [12:11:02] <Sky2042> Sgt_Johnson: that's almost irony.
 * [12:11:09] <Jack_Phoenix> Sgt_Johnson: it's probably the ProtectSite extension
 * [12:11:25] <Sgt_Johnson> Last night on #wikia GreenReaper was talking abou tit
 * [12:11:29] <Warpath> Sgt_Johnson, anon-editing :P
 * [12:11:39] <Warpath> :O
 * [12:11:43] <Warpath> and I missed it :(
 * [12:11:43] <PanSola> Johnson: bad vandalism happening somewhere?
 * [12:11:47] <Charitwo> wowwiki and ffxiclopedia have anon editing disabled
 * [12:11:52] <Sgt_Johnson> It could happen
 * [12:11:57] <Sgt_Johnson> Right now, It's just a rumor
 * [12:12:05] <Jack_Phoenix> and wowwiki & ffxiclopedia are both special cases ;-)
 * [12:12:07] <PanSola> against Ace Wiki?
 * [12:12:08] i'm a big fan of anon-editing
 * [12:12:09] ffxi has anon viewing disabled too, which is very annoying
 * [12:12:17] <Sky2042> (of the source)
 * [12:12:23] <Sky2042> it's the same on wowwiki, which is annoying
 * [12:12:29] <Sgt_Johnson> the situation is that these two Ace Combat Clans are merging, and that they are going to attack Ace Wiki because most of the admins are from RSQ
 * [12:12:36] any reason to disallow view source for anon users?
 * [12:12:50] <PanSola> what is RSQ? and why does RSQ have soemthing against Ace Wiki?
 * [12:12:53] <Sky2042> fw190a8: not really :/
 * [12:12:54] <Sgt_Johnson> No
 * [12:12:58] <Sgt_Johnson> I'm a member of RSQ
 * [12:12:59] <Charitwo> uberfuzzy: what
 * [12:13:11] <Jack_Phoenix> Unregistered users are scum. ;-)
 * [12:13:24] <Sgt_Johnson> The fact that most of the admins are from RSQ is the reason why they may attack it
 * [12:13:56] <PanSola> hmm, I'll delve into the politics a little later
 * [12:14:01] <PanSola> Jack here is a janitor
 * [12:14:09] <PanSola> I guess WikiaJanitor is GHe or somebody
 * [12:14:13] <Jack_Phoenix> didn't I say that already? ;-)
 * [12:14:16] <Dashiva> I'm a fan of anon editing (and not anon spamming problemreports and imagetags)
 * [12:14:19] <Jack_Phoenix> WikiaJanitor is GHe, yup
 * [12:14:26] * Joins: ChristineV
 * [12:14:28] <PanSola> hopefully they will pay a closer watch on Ace
 * [12:14:30] * Jack_Phoenix is not a fan of anons in general
 * [12:14:31] <PanSola> hi ChristineV
 * [12:14:33] <Sgt_Johnson> hey CV
 * [12:14:37] <PanSola> care to introduce yourself?
 * [12:14:54] <ChristineV> not really XD
 * [12:15:00] at fr-wiki we have had about three cases of vandalism ever
 * [12:15:11] <Sky2042> fw190a8: lucky ;?
 * [12:15:13] <Sky2042> :/
 * [12:15:17] i don't know if we're lucky or just not visited much, but most anonymous edits are corrections
 * [12:15:26] <Sgt_Johnson> Same for me
 * [12:15:45] <Sgt_Johnson> The reason why they want to vandalise is stupid but yeah... enough that it could require the protect site
 * [12:15:45] <Sky2042> yeah... not how it is when your wiki's a top 1000 site xD
 * [12:15:56] <Tesfan> xD
 * [12:15:56] <PanSola> fw190a8: FR documents the RPG settings right?
 * [12:16:10] <Sky2042> oh, speaking of which, wowwiki's broke into the top 1000 sites on alexa.
 * [12:16:11] forgotten realms is a specific fantasy setting from the dungeons and dragons game
 * [12:16:16] <Sky2042> there's news for ya =)
 * [12:16:25] if you've heard of neverwinter nights, the computer game, or baldur's gate, they're both set in the forgotten realms
 * [12:16:55] the setting itself has over 200 novels written about it, and has existed since the 60s =)
 * [12:17:04] it's just... well, tolkien came along
 * [12:17:23] <PanSola> so the wiki's scope also covers all the novels too? or consider them "related but not in the scope of the wiki"?
 * [12:18:01] it does cover all the novels
 * [12:18:07] <PanSola> (are the 200+ novels like star trek novels where authors don't care about inter-consistency, or more like star wars novels where attention is being paid)
 * [12:18:20] they are all vetted for consistency, yes
 * [12:18:33] <PanSola> Tolkien was way before the 60s
 * [12:18:35] some stuff does slip through, inevitably
 * [12:18:54] <Dashiva> Like certain dark elves
 * [12:18:55] yeah he was, and some say he inspired the creation of the 'realms
 * [12:18:56] <PanSola> IIRC q-:
 * [12:19:29] <PanSola> anyways, congrats on FR being a featured wikia
 * [12:19:46] thanks, we have wanted it for ages, we're just grateful for it finally happening
 * [12:20:10] <PanSola> and the current featured *gaming* wikia is the Phforpedia, or however it's spelled
 * [12:20:13] <PanSola> marathon.wikia
 * [12:20:22] what's that about?
 * [12:20:34] <PanSola> a game series named Marathon, I think
 * [12:20:36] <PanSola> maybe it's a single game
 * [12:20:42] <Tesfan> trilogy
 * [12:20:43] <Tesfan> irr
 * [12:20:45] <Tesfan> *irrc
 * [12:21:03] <Tesfan> Made by the same peeps who made Halo
 * [12:21:31] <PanSola> anyways, a general reminder to go to http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_gaming_Wikia/Nominations
 * [12:21:41] <PanSola> nominate more, and/or vote
 * [12:21:58] <PanSola> for teh next one
 * [12:22:21] <PanSola> (FR can't be next, because it's currently a Featured Wikia, adn we want to expose as many different ones giving them attention)
 * [12:22:53] i understand, and accept
 * [12:22:56] <PanSola> fw190a8: do you feel being featured on the Wikia main page gave you more visitors/editors?
 * [12:23:11] marginally, yes
 * [12:23:20] <PanSola> cool
 * [12:23:34] <Azul81677> How would you get you wiki featured on the Wiki main page?
 * [12:23:55] it's hard to say where our visitors come from, because the incoming links widget appears to apply to wikia as a whole, not individual wikis
 * [12:24:22] <PanSola> Azul81677: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_Wikia
 * [12:24:47] omg PanSola voted for the sample wiki! error error!
 * [12:25:04] <PanSola> it was a sample vote ~_~"
 * [12:25:35] it would be great if someone released a game called "Sample"
 * [12:25:54] <Jack_Phoenix> lol
 * [12:26:04] <PanSola> anyways, on the next note
 * [12:26:07] <Azul81677> Alright! I've been looking for someway our wiki could be noticed! Thanks PanSola I'll put the Kingdom Hearts Wiki up for nomination.
 * [12:26:14] <Tesfan> Can it still be nom'ed if it's on the "Most Popular Wikis" list
 * [12:26:38] <PanSola> Tesfan: not for the Featured Gamign Wiki
 * [12:26:49] <Tesfan> m'k, that makes sense
 * [12:26:50] <PanSola> but yes for the general Featured Wikia
 * [12:27:17] <PanSola> the gaming feature is more strict to promote more diversity
 * [12:28:11] <PanSola> anyways
 * [12:28:40] <Azul81677> next topic
 * [12:29:25] <PanSola> as you may remember, eGamia came over to Wikia a while ago
 * [12:29:32] <PanSola> taking over the original GameInfo
 * [12:29:43] <PanSola> and eGamia has a few active editors
 * [12:30:23] <PanSola> so I feel it's a semi-mature place to try pointing our gaming-wikis community's attention to
 * [12:30:42] <PanSola> for one thing, they are having some game guide articles
 * [12:30:56] <Sky2042> for non-wikia games?...
 * [12:31:02] <PanSola> um
 * [12:31:05] <PanSola> for games in general
 * [12:31:21] do you mean that you'd like to see eGamia become a sort of hub itself, for gaming wikis?
 * [12:31:24] <Sky2042> that could turn into duplication of content, which is bad :/
 * [12:31:34] <PanSola> fw190a8: yes. Sky2042: yes
 * [12:31:44] no and yes
 * [12:31:47] <PanSola> or at least, a duplication of Effort which I feel bad
 * [12:31:53] <Sky2042> exactly.
 * [12:32:02] <PanSola> content can be duplicated as long as effort is concentrated
 * [12:32:17] we duplicate a lot of content from wikipedia, but our duplicated content is then extended, and more locatable than at wikipedia
 * [12:32:31] * PanSola nods
 * [12:32:47] so in the same way, eGamia would have more of a summary, whereas the wiki itself would be the detail
 * [12:32:48] <PanSola> SO, here's what I wish you guys can help me out:
 * [12:32:50] egamia is not gonna have full on duplication for most games, think more like gamefaqs
 * [12:33:07] <Dashiva> Well, you could crosswiki-transclude the pages :)
 * [12:33:19] <Sky2042> uberfuzzy: huh. fw190a8: still, then how is that different from just using wp?
 * [12:33:27] <PanSola> Invade eGamia, and make sure ppl visiting eGamia knows of the more specific wikis
 * [12:33:54] <PanSola> so that ppl who want to add info on eGamia would focus their efforts on the more specific wikis
 * [12:34:10] <PanSola> by being educatd about it
 * [12:34:57] <PanSola> "invade" sounds bad
 * [12:35:02] let me give you an example... we have an article called "centaur" which is all about centaurs in the forgotten realms, but wikipedia has an article called "centaur" which is about general mythological centaurs
 * [12:35:25] to get forgotten realms centaur info at wikipedia (if it's not deleted for being 'too niche') you would have to go to centaur (forgotten realms) which isn't obvious
 * [12:35:26] <PanSola> basically make sure anyone who visits for example http://egamia.wikia.com/wiki/Runescape
 * [12:35:36] <PanSola> and see a red link at "Walkthrough"
 * [12:35:41] <PanSola> wont' spend hour and hours typing up something
 * [12:35:58] <PanSola> adn will instead utilize the prior effort already done by RSWiki
 * [12:36:06] but then an eGamia article on "centaur" might focus just on centaurs in gaming, making it easier to find the type of centaur you're looking for =)
 * [12:36:09] pan, did you maybe consider that the people working on egamia dont want to turn it into a hub?
 * [12:36:22] <Tesfan> So, er, copy and paste the from RuneScape wiki on RuneScape?
 * [12:36:37] <Sky2042> fw190a8: than there should be a link in the external links
 * [12:36:51] at wikipedia you mean?
 * [12:36:53] <Sky2042> fw190a8: you'd think, anyway :/
 * [12:36:56] <PanSola> uberfuzzy: I had information describing the opposite *before* the question even came up in my mind
 * [12:36:57] <PanSola> kind of
 * [12:37:21] <PanSola> and I'm not just thinking in terms of Wikia
 * [12:37:42] why doesn't the runescape walkthrough link on eGamia just redirect to the article on the runescape wiki?
 * [12:37:42] <PanSola> say there's a very successful GFDL wiki out there for a game, that is not part of Wikia
 * [12:37:44] <Sky2042> in fact, Runescape looks like a copy-paste of WP
 * [12:37:46] <Sky2042> :/
 * [12:37:47] <PanSola> and Wikia doesn't have a wiki for that game
 * [12:37:59] <PanSola> I'd still like eGamia to highlight it
 * [12:38:20] <PanSola> and make sure people who are interested in contributing knowledge about that game not unnecessarily duplicate their efforts
 * [12:38:47] what about conflict of interest? that's not an issue if we contribute to eGamia right?
 * [12:39:00] <PanSola> fw190a8: I don't imagine there would be
 * [12:39:04] <Tesfan> So, for a "walkthrough" for Runescape, would we link to our quest guides?
 * [12:39:07] cool
 * [12:39:15] <PanSola> unless there is a competing GFDL FR resource
 * [12:39:23] <PanSola> that is on the same/better scale than your wiki
 * [12:39:57] <PanSola> (in which case you wiki ought to tap into the efforts already done by that resource anyways d-: )
 * [12:40:03] well wizards of the coast (company that publishes the forgotten realms) say they'll make their own, but for now, no ;)
 * [12:40:09] and i doubt their one will be GFDL
 * [12:40:41] <Sky2042> PanSola: just looking at http://egamia.wikia.com/wiki/WoW, that's basically a duplicate of wowwiki content... egamia may work, but someone's going to have to tell them not to go into specifics. :/
 * [12:41:03] <PanSola> Sky2042: care to be one of those someone?
 * [12:41:43] Sky2042: remmeber, most of their content existed before they game to wikia
 * [12:41:51] <Sky2042> uberfuzzy: sure.
 * [12:42:26] <Sky2042> hm
 * [12:43:19] http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Horse - would the type of template in the top-right of this page be useful to have on egamia?
 * [12:43:30] but linking to the wikia wiki in question, rather than wikipedia
 * [12:43:39] <PanSola> yes
 * [12:43:55] <PanSola> I would say that's a good idea
 * [12:44:10] yay, can i have a gold star? ;)
 * [12:44:34] * PanSola tosses fw190a8 a starfish covered in gold paint
 * [12:44:42] <Sky2042> hmm
 * [12:44:43] mmm starfish
 * [12:44:52] <Sky2042> but that might screw up their setup :/
 * [12:45:03] <PanSola> looks like something along those lines has already appeared on some eGamia articles
 * [12:45:05] <PanSola> http://egamia.wikia.com/wiki/Tsumashibori
 * [12:45:25] <PanSola> but putting it in the upper right corner to highlight it might be a good idea to suggest
 * [12:46:40] <PanSola> and I think a generic Template:More is probably gonna be better than making a new template for different wikis
 * [12:46:54] what happened to the Wikia Gaming hub
 * [12:46:59] <Sky2042> ^
 * [12:47:02] why not make the the hub
 * [12:47:08] <PanSola> the Wikia Gaming hub is still there
 * [12:47:17] <PanSola> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Gaming
 * [12:47:35] then use that as a gaming hub, and not invade a standing wiki turning it into a hub when its not setup like that
 * [12:48:07] <PanSola> um "turning it into a hub" is a slightly different discussion
 * [12:48:10] i'm not saying to not put a link to a wikia wiki if there is one that matchs the content/game, but it should be down in the external/similar links
 * [12:48:13] <PanSola> and different from the efforts described above
 * [12:48:16] what's the difference in the purpose of the wikia gaming hub and egamia?
 * [12:48:43] <PanSola> fw190a8: egamia wants to be an encyclopedia on gaming topics, I think
 * [12:49:09] <PanSola> and I heard the founder of egamia is trying to see if it can also turn into the gaming hub for wikia
 * [12:49:30] <PanSola> but anyways, the "avoid duplication of effort" is separate from teh hub issue
 * [12:49:32] <Sky2042> then they need to be an encyclopedia on gaming topics that covers wikias that aren't created... hmmm
 * [12:49:33] they have one already
 * [12:50:01] <PanSola> uberfuzzy: they has one what?
 * [12:50:32] wikia, gaming hub, has it
 * [12:50:53] i think there's no harm in letting egamia simply duplicate a whole load of information that already exists, but it seems like a terrible waste of effort, especially if done in ignorance
 * [12:51:01] <PanSola> Sky2042: I think they can cover games that we have wikis for too, as long as a scope is clear
 * [12:51:26] <Sky2042> I think this is calling for community input from egamia. xD
 * [12:51:39] <PanSola> egamia has a community of like 4 users d-:
 * [12:51:50] <PanSola> I mean ediors
 * [12:51:55] <Sky2042> huh
 * [12:51:56] <PanSola> not sure how many ppl read it regulariy
 * [12:52:32] <PanSola> anyways, so my primary focus is to want to ensure that any duplication of effort is NOT done in ingnorance
 * [12:52:42] <PanSola> but rather done out of deliberate intention
 * [12:53:03] <PanSola> then my secondary focus is to convince them to not intentionally duplicate efforts
 * [12:53:19] <PanSola> and I wish you guys can help me out on the primary focus
 * [12:53:55] collaboration turns out to be tough!
 * [12:53:55] <PanSola> uberfuzzy: and this is completely separate from teh hub discussion. Does that make sense?
 * [12:54:19] when i added articles on the forgotten realms to wikipedia, they were deleted because the information was "too specific"
 * [12:54:31] <PanSola> I dont' even care if the "Blah Wiki has more info on article" points to a non-wikia wiki
 * [12:54:43] when i added "further reading" links to wikipedia to provide links to the forgotten realms wiki, they were deleted as spam!
 * [12:54:46] <Tesfan> So egamia has to have a small enough scope so that is doesn't copy from wikis, yet large enough so it's not just a copy of the wikipedia gaming pagew
 * [12:54:58] <Tesfan> Like, wikipedia has like 20 pages on Half life
 * [12:55:17] compared to the number of games out there, wikia has only a handful of dedicated wikis
 * [12:55:34] i think MOST games on eGamia can be written about quite heavily
 * [12:55:34] <PanSola> Tesfan: or that if it does copy from wikis, people wishing to add/modify know also to go back to the source and edit it
 * [12:55:42] <Tesfan> yeah
 * [12:55:52] <Tesfan> how is egamia differnt from gaming.wikia?
 * [12:56:04] duplicated information is always subject to change... nothing worse than having two pages about the same thing with conflicting info
 * [12:56:09] * Joins: Tubedogg99
 * [12:56:11] <PanSola> gaming.wikia is a magazine trying to also have an encyclopedia and that is completey dead withotu a community
 * [12:56:17] <Tesfan> ah
 * [12:56:32] <PanSola> egamia is an encyclopedia whose founder also wants it to be teh Wikia gaming hub, with a handful of editors
 * [12:56:51] <PanSola> hi Tubedogg99
 * [12:57:37] <Tubedogg99> Hello
 * [12:57:44] <PanSola> which wikis are you from?
 * [12:57:48] <Tubedogg99> Egamia
 * [12:57:56] <PanSola> haha we are just talking about it
 * [12:58:01] <Tubedogg99> So I hear :)
 * [12:58:10] <PanSola> how big is your community?
 * [12:58:18] * PanSola estimated it to be about 4 editors
 * [12:58:31] <Tubedogg99> I'd say that's probably about right, at least on a regular basis
 * [12:58:50] editors != community
 * [12:59:08] <PanSola> the silent majority gets negeleted, as always
 * [12:59:14] * PanSola hides
 * [12:59:16] * Joins: Simonrjh|Hwk
 * [12:59:21] <PanSola> wb simon
 * [12:59:25] <Simonrjh|Hwk> i guess i missed the meeting
 * [12:59:31] <PanSola> not completely over
 * [12:59:33] <Simonrjh|Hwk> k
 * [13:00:16] <PanSola> Tubedogg99: a quick recap, there's a concern that time & effort are being unnecessarily duplicated between wikis
 * [13:00:40] <PanSola> or may be unnecessarily duplicated
 * [13:00:43] ie articles on eGamia have duplicated information that is more detailed on dedicated wikis
 * [13:01:09] <PanSola> I'd personally like to see better ties between wikis
 * [13:01:37] <Tubedogg99> I think that's definitely true but at the same time you are never going to have wikis for every single game created, which is where a more encyclopedic approach like eGamia comes in
 * [13:02:04] <Tubedogg99> As far as ties between wikis I would definitely like to see links to other wikis on appropriate game & category pages on eGamia
 * [13:02:26] what is the scope of eGamia? is it specifically computer and video games?
 * [13:02:50] <PanSola> and say if the Nintendo Wiki already has a 4-page long article on Mario
 * [13:03:20] <PanSola> then eGamia does not need to speld an hour typing a new article for Mario and can use that time/effort to better cover other games that don't have a wikia for
 * [13:03:22] <Tubedogg99> The scope as I understand it (realizing I have been editing on it for less than a month) is all games, but the vast majority of content focuses on video & computer games
 * [13:03:45] <Tubedogg99> by "all games" I mean including board & card games, sports, etc.
 * [13:03:49] <PanSola> (of course by now you probalby arleady have a Mario article, but jsut want to randomly pull an article)
 * [13:03:58] thanks Tubedogg99 - i will be happy to add more info on tabletop RPGs
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 * [13:04:38] <Tubedogg99> That would be great, because that is a subject i know next-to-nothing about
 * [13:04:55] <PanSola> Tubedogg99: so I was trying to encourage the folks here to go to eGamia and put tags like "Blah wiki has more information on this subject" on as many articles as possible/appropriate
 * [13:05:19] <PanSola> so that eGamia would cover some basic, but direct indepth stuff to dedicated wikis
 * [13:05:30] <Sky2042> Tubedogg99: on egamia, would it be sensible to condense the articles (such as WoW) to an arcitle like "Warcraft universe"?
 * [13:05:39] <Sky2042> redirects and such.
 * [13:05:47] i think uberfuzzy is right to suggest creating a "Further reading" section at the bottom of the article with those links in
 * [13:05:48] <PanSola> (I don't personally care if those dedicated wikis are on wikia or not, as long as they are the best GFDL resources on the internet)
 * [13:06:45] <Tubedogg99> OK one thing at a time lol...Firstly, as regards your Mario example. I think an article of that length would be better suited at e.g. nintendo.wikia
 * [13:07:04] <Tubedogg99> That being said, I don't think just having a stub that says "Mario is a Nintendo character, go here for more info" is the solution.
 * [13:07:21] <PanSola> Tubedogg99: I'm not saying "only" have that sentence
 * [13:07:40] <PanSola> my suggestion (assuming starting from a state without a Mario article) would be:
 * [13:07:55] <PanSola> 1. copy Mario article from Nintendo Wiki
 * [13:08:06] <PanSola> 2. Properly attribute it to the Nintendo Wiki
 * [13:08:26] <PanSola> 3. Trim down the trivial details, leaving a basic overview and essential info
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 * [13:08:50] <PanSola> 4. use a "More" template to direct ppl who want more info to the Nintendo Wiki
 * [13:09:18] <PanSola> that would be what I would suggest, if you didn't have a Mario article and want to start one
 * [13:09:24] <PanSola> so it wouldn't be a stub
 * [13:09:36] <PanSola> does that make sense?
 * [13:09:37] <PanSola> hi Sundogs
 * [13:09:38] <Tubedogg99> That would probably actually work better than the current approach, given the number of stubs we have from people starting articles simply to get rid of redlinks
 * [13:09:50] <Sundogs> eat fresh eat at Subway!
 * [13:10:01] are you buying?
 * [13:10:07] <Sundogs> might
 * [13:10:13] k, i'm in
 * [13:10:22] <PanSola> Tubedogg99: cool. Do you think you can advocate this approach to the rest of teh community at eGamia?
 * [13:11:04] <Tubedogg99> Sky: I don't believe that condensing everything down into one overarching article like that would be a good idea. I'm not sure where the line between "enough info" and "should be at WoW wikia" is, but I think that's taking it too far away from enough info.
 * [13:11:07] <Sundogs> Hi my name is Sundogs from E-Wrestling and I like to know how to cache out the stale pages widget.
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 * [13:11:32] <Tubedogg99> I can try PanSola, no promises, I am not even an admin there. :)
 * [13:11:37] <PanSola> Sundogs: sorry that's a pretty new widget so I'm not familiar with it
 * [13:11:46] <PanSola> Tubedogg99: you represent at least a quarter of the active editors there
 * [13:11:47] <Sky2042> Tubedogg99: part of the conversation we were also having was that egamia looks like (in that specific case) a copy-paste of wikipedia.
 * [13:12:10] <PanSola> hmm, articles copied from Wikipedia ought to be properly attributed too
 * [13:12:11] <Sky2042> thus, condensation would seem the smart idea, as that does get editors where they need to go.
 * [13:12:36] <Sky2042> but also provides information on the relevant games.
 * [13:12:55] <Sundogs> isn't the stale pages also called old pages?
 * [13:13:30] <Sky2042> Sundogs: better to ask your question in #wikia atm, I think/.
 * [13:13:44] Sundogs: yes
 * [13:14:02] <Sundogs> thanks uberfuzzy and Sky2042 for the info
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 * [13:14:44] <Tubedogg99> As regards copy-paste jobs from wikipedia, there is a good chunk of articles that are like that and it is (or was) strongly discouraged, at least if that's the whole basis for the article.
 * [13:15:22] <PanSola> my main concern is, if it is done, attribution should be given
 * [13:15:32] if it's copy/pasted from wikipedia, we (forgotten realms) usually use that as a base and expand it, but we always put a template at the bottom, linking to the original article, so that article history is maintained
 * [13:15:47] we also have a help section about converting wikipedia articles
 * [13:16:02] which anyone is welcome to copy if you think it's useful =)
 * [13:16:37] <Tubedogg99> We do have a template for linking to original wikipedia articles, several in fact depending on how much was copy-pasted and how much is original content, but I don't think it's used on a consistent basis.
 * [13:16:38] <PanSola> does egamia have a channel on freenode?
 * [13:16:47] <Tubedogg99> Yes but I have never seen anyone in it
 * [13:16:58] <PanSola> heh with 4 editors it's kinda hart d-:
 * [13:16:58] <Tubedogg99> I take that back, someone is
 * [13:17:03] <PanSola> cool
 * [13:17:27] * Joins: Skizzerz
 * [13:17:31] <PanSola> hi Skizzerz
 * [13:17:34] <Skizzerz> hi
 * [13:17:40] ok i change that ;)
 * [13:18:37] <Sundogs> rar Skizzerz
 * [13:18:38] <Tubedogg99> Heh :)
 * [13:18:46] <Skizzerz> rar
 * [13:19:29] <Sundogs> how r u Skizzerz?
 * [13:19:35] <Skizzerz> uh, good
 * [13:19:38] <PanSola> anyways, that's about it for this week
 * [13:19:44] <Sundogs> thats good
 * [13:19:50] <Sundogs> to hear
 * [13:20:00] <PanSola> pleaes do hang out here whenever you ahve time
 * [13:20:11] <Sundogs> how do I create hide and show option on a template?
 * [13:20:13] <PanSola> founders of new gaming wikis gets directed here to ask questions
 * [13:20:24] <PanSola> Sundogs: first you need to have the corresponding javascript for it
 * [13:20:46] <PanSola> there's a standard one, then different ppl also write their own
 * [13:21:21] Sundogs you already asked that in #wikia, we're doing our best to help out in there!

-PanSola 19:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)