Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33668185-20181229231243/@comment-34888194-20181230160443

Enchanted Iris wrote: Since people are having a hard time understanding what I said about knowing the sock of whom I will give an Example so people can understand it more easily and watch how biased the mods would be if this would happen.

Example:

Say one of the staff made a second account in order to keep an eye out on the mods.

They enter on a second account and not on their main account but they watch what happens and see lots of people asking for mods to help get rid of someone causing drama but the mods are either away or not on and when a mod comes back they are all disrespectful and rude to the people that asked for their help.

This staff mod on their second account would see this and would most likely either call out the mod or ask the mod what they are doing and the mod would get angry and would most likely kick or ban that person for calling them out as they would most likely take that criticism as harassment but if they get angry for that and would then ban that second account.

When the staff member comes into the chat on their main account are you telling me that the mods would ban the staff member as well like they banned the sock account or would they sit there and see they messed up.

Now consider if someone normal did that a person without rights and say they entered the chat on an alt account and they were seeing how the mods where acting and they speak to the mod about it in pm and the mod considers that criticism as harassment they would ban that person and if that person came back on their main account they would immediately ban that account without prejudice.

Do you see how biased that is for them to look the other way for some people and not for others. Okay, I'll get your point as I read through them:

"Since people are having a hard time understanding what I said about knowing the sock of whom I will give an Example so people can understand it more easily and watch how biased the mods would be if this would happen."

Yes. Sometimes, a user was banned falsely because either their account name seems similar to the troll's account or their IP address is the same. Mods have CheckUser right.

"Say one of the staff made a second account in order to keep an eye out on the mods."

Mods are trusted users who can keep an eye on the chat to moderate the chat. Yes, the guidelines may be strict, but it's important to listen to warnings, especially if they've given you one, let's say that you were linking other chats. Staffs really don't create another account to watch the mods. They use their main account to watch the chat.

"They enter on a second account and not on their main account but they watch what happens and see lots of people asking for mods to help get rid of someone causing drama but the mods are either away or not on and when a mod comes back they are all disrespectful and rude to the people that asked for their help."

I mean, people are not allowed to mini-moderate if they don't have the chat moderator right. If an argument or fight occurs during the chat, and no mods were watching them, then that's a problem. That's why a staff created a "bot" account to keep an eye on the chat. The "bot" won't ban people as a human being, but ban people of what they know of. Staff have office hours and they do take a break once they've worked FANDOM during that day.

"People absolutely see it when you haven't even tried to get into the situation. Getting tired of your work? Either leave or get more people help you with this job. Just look carefully for people you're going to invite. "

Mods can't get other users to help them to chat. If they really think that moderating the chat is boring, or if they don't want to moderate the chat anymore, they'll remove their moderator right. For example, Pyro removed her admin right because she have a lot to do IRL for months. But she will be granted once she's active again at CC.

"unlike you, CC moderators, I'm an ex-volunteer who has never harrassed anyone. I've known many cases of your unfair actions against people you didn't like just for their world view or another single detail that didn't even matter."

Hello. I've been in the chat before, and I've seen mods and admins gave people chances and warnings before issue a ban. Keep in mind that chat are not just in Community Central. It can be at any wiki, if the chat was enabled at Special:WikiFeatures. Every wiki have different attitudes and rules about Chat Guidelines. And when they issue a ban, they issue a short ban, and gradually longer if failure to obey the rules and warnings. Many people thought that the actions were unfair, but the warnings given were pretty much fair enough, at least.