User talk:Angela

Wikilog
I keep seeing ads for it and I'm interested now. Before I went ahead and did it, I thought I'd check to see if you could implement some kind of Bliki mod to keep things clean. Yes, the whole site wouldn't be a Bliki, so I was planning on having a subpage of my page with subpages of that for the archives and individual posts w/comments. But, that's how I'd do it manually. I think it'd be interesting to describe your recentchanges and thoughts of how the wiki was going, I've seen your recentchanges blog and you mention things that happen as well. --Me at work 15:34, 16 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * I don't think a blog should take place on the wiki. It's like forcing the software to do something it isn't meant for. MediaWiki is simply not suitable for creating a blog. You wouldn't have the possibility of RSS feeds, or trackback, so you'd lose much of the needed functionality. Having said that, the bloglines blog is also fairly poor, since it doesn't allow comments. Perhaps having something like Wordpress with a shared account between trusted Wikicities' users would be better? Angela 17:53, 16 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * Your idea is interesting, but how would one be trusted? A founder, or " or, well... I had a better one a minute ago.  phpwiki can do wikiblogs though.  I read that mediawiki can't, yet, which I hope will be fixed in the future.  Meh, I still like the wikilog idea, as there's something to the ability of wiki link ing things while talking about them.  --Me at work 18:30, 16 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * You could go with the PrincipleOfFirstTrust and trust everyone until they mess up the blog. Angela 02:51, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Thanks & Wiki Formatting Summary?
Thanks for the explaination of how to link to a category! (For others who may not know, precede Category with a :, like Category:Category-Name) I've been gonig to the Wikimedia Guide. It's useful, but not a good quick reference guide for wiki syntax. Do you know of one? Should I start one? --RJ 20:00, 18 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * The Wikipedia:Tutorial is probably a good place to start. Angela 22:51, 18 Feb 2005 (GMT)

Norn story copyvio
I have to dash off soon, but will check this later today and ensure that the official breed stories are not included. -- 12:04, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * Thanks. I appreciate your efforts on this. Angela 15:45, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)

In case of emergencies
Who shall we contact? I suppose it's JasonR. I hope everything stays ok while you're gone. Also, since your phone number is going to stop working soon, I can only presume you're moving. Or, you're switching to VoIP only. I'm terrible at guessing. Either way, Good Luck! --Tom talk/Bliki 05:54, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * My guess would be JasonR for technical, jwales for "policy" decisions . . . but I'd guess most of the latter can probably wait a few days. :-) -- 07:42, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)


 * Yes, that's right. Jason is usually on IRC. If not, Terry Foote is, and he can contact Jason. See the advertising page for Terry's phone number. I'm moving to Germany, temporarily at least. Angela 11:10, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * How's German Dialup treating you? --Tom talk/Bliki 21:49, 28 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * The connection is fine. It's the German keyboard that takes some getting used to. FedEx has not yet turned up with my own computer, so I'm hardly online because this laptop is extremely annoying. :) Angela 22:02, 28 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * So then, when will you be back up on skype? I want to see if this stuff works and you haven't authorized me yet :( --Tom talk/Bliki 02:19, 3 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * What is your user name? I haven't received any requests to authorise anyone. Angela 01:19, 4 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * me.at.work
 * Ok, so I left some "chat" messages for you, apparently those work offline. Yesterday.  I came on today and it said my messages hadn't been delivered in 22 hours, so are you not logging onto skype or something?  I can understand why if so, you seem to be on dialup.  --Tom talk/Bliki 02:31, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * It's apparently DSL, not dialup, but I don't usually log in to Skype unless I'm actually using it. I did log into about 8 hours ago, but didn't see the messages then. I just logged in and saw them now, so perhaps it's delaying them for some reason? I generally prefer IRC to Skype though. Angela 02:43, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * Too bad I hate freenode. I prefer only servers with +x, because although it really doesn't provide a ton of security, it's enough to make me happy.  Plus, although there is now a mIRC script which does some voice chat, I don't think you have it installed, and it's not as easy to use as Skype.  Also, you could leave skype on but not in "skype me" mode, I believe that requires you to accept calls, they are not automatically 'taken'. --Tom talk/Bliki 04:12, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT)

SGCommand
I wish to now delete SGCommand and this account. I am now going under the name of SGCommand and I am creating a new wiki. Thanks in advance! Sir_Dave_of_SGCommand


 * I can remove you as founder if you want, but I believe a Stargate wiki is needed, so it won't be deleted. Angela 21:09, 21 Feb 2005 (GMT)

My wiki
Hi, as you are aware I own and operate the Stargate wiki, all I am asking is that you change the name to SGCommand instead of Stargate-1 please. Also, can you put me as the Founder please SGCommand


 * You may be the founder, but NOT the owner. --LouCypher 22:49, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT+0700)


 * What Lou said is absolutely right. You don't own the wiki. If you want to own an wiki, I suggest you go to MyOO and buy one. The Title for the wiki is already SGCommand, as can be seen from the title bar. However, URLs are supposed to be easily guessable, so the name for the wiki will remain Stargate, since people are far more likely to be looking for a Stargate wiki than an SGCommand wiki. There was no such user as "SGCommand" when the wiki was created, which is why you were not listed as the founder of it. Are you sure you want to be listed as that, now that you understand this doesn't make you the owner of the wiki? It has to be run as a community project, not as your project. Angela 15:58, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)

1. I meant I control the wiki since I am the Founder, thats what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. 2. I want to be listed as the Founder please SGCommand


 * Ok, you're on the founders page, but this doesn't mean you have more control over the wiki than anyone else. By the way, you can sign your name using four tildes ( ~ ). Angela 17:00, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * What he meant is he wanted to be a sysop, I believe. --LouCypher 20:35, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * Oh. Thanks for explaining. This is done now. Angela 22:01, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)

How do I delete an account? SGCommand


 * You can't delete an account. See Wikipedia:Account deletion. Angela 19:34, 24 Feb 2005 (GMT)

I want to delete the username Sir Dave of SGCommand since it is mine. Please help SGCommand


 * You can just stop using the account and redirect the old user name to your current one. Angela 22:02, 28 Feb 2005 (GMT)

Your message
I am sorry but I am trying to get Anubis.jpg on Stargate Wiki. I will try again. Please delete the sig alternatives 'cause I am still learning. SGCommand
 * Ok. Thanks for letting me know. Angela 15:14, 1 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Getting Articles on a page
I am having trouble getting aricles on certain pages. I created several articles for 1 category but only 8 are showing. Any way to get the rest of the articles showing? user:SGCommand
 * Which category is it that is having problems? Angela 22:47, 2 Mar 2005 (GMT)

http://stargate.wikicities.com/wiki/Category:Goa%27ulduser:SGCommand
 * It's because you have an apostrophe in the category name. It's a known bug that I reported a while ago. I suggest you use the main namespace for articles, rather than writing them on category pages since categories still have a lot of bugs. Angela 01:19, 4 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Recent Changes, Favicons?
I had an Iconnish Idea where the wikis with favicons would have icons by them. Maybe it'd be better to use the "full list of recent changes" and not the one on the short list, but I thought it was a neat idea to share with you. --Tom talk/Bliki 23:26, 25 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * I think it's better to display the favicon on each Wikicity descriptions or on the List of Wikicities than on the Recent changes. --LouCypher 03:43, 26 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * I'd rather it weren't on the list of Wikicities, since it could make the home page too slow to load. I don't really have any preference between the description pages and recent changes though. Angela 22:02, 28 Feb 2005 (GMT)

Wikicity categories and sustainability
Hi Angela

Nothing urgent but just wanted to mention this about categories: copied from Wikicity descriptions

There's always a problem with categories and 'Sustainability'. For conventional / traditional categories, such as these, 'Sustainability' is always more than any of these categories. Is there any chance of including 'Sustainability' as a category? Yes, I know there's the view that a lot of people don't know what it means. But I think this is something that actually lots of people around the world are working on. Philralph 10:25, 3 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * Do it yourself. Really.  I have no idea what Sustainability has to do with any of the wikis, but if you think yours (whatever it may be) has it, just add the line  to the Wikicity description of your wiki.  When you edit the page you will see quite a few categories (or just a few) on the bottom of the page, just add the proper one to it and you'll be fine.  Wikis: Fun, useful, and the ability to do it yourself.  --Tom talk/Bliki 17:07, 3 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * In another word: Be bold --LouCypher 19:20, 3 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * See also Category talk:Wikicity descriptions where I replied. Angela 01:19, 4 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * Tried Tom's suggestion, but something else needed to make the category appear? (e.g. on Wikicities main page) Philralph 16:15, 6 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * I've added it to the main page. There's nothing automatic about it - you just need to edit pages to add the category tag. Angela 18:14, 6 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Editing Main Page
Hi, I was wondering how you can put a "Featured Article" on the left of the main page and the table of contents on the right? SGCommand


 * This can be done using tables. See Help:Tables. Or if you just want the TOC on the right without using tables, type


 * Angela 12:05, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Any way to add add "Featured article"?SGCommand


 * You can add this in the same way as you would make any other edit. There is nothing automatic about it - you just add information about a particular article to the main page. See Mac:Main Page for example. Angela 19:11, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Slashdotting Vandals
Note: Not all of these are vandals, but many are blankers (and some replace with some words which aren't so pleasant):

Recent Changes - Mozilla Community / last 3 days, last 100 articles, ips only, hide patrolled

Many (not all) are vandals, and while we're blocking a few, these ips have also appeared (earlier on) here as well, blanking the mainpage and community portal. Just keep a watch out. I apologize for linking to my user page here on slashdot in the post, should have seen that one coming from a mile away. On the brighter side, a bit of attention for wikicities. --Tom talk/Bliki 23:26, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * Oh - I'd wondered what you meant by the VG Cats post. I don't think it's anything to worry about. You seem to have enough admins on the wiki to handle a few Slashdot vandals. Angela 00:01, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * I made them admins because of it... --Tom talk/Bliki 00:25, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * Hmm, some one is using a proxy to vandalise a lot of pages now :/ [Actually, I think they've left now] 02:51, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * I just commented on this at MozCom:User talk:Me at work. Temporary blocking of open proxies is fine. Angela 03:05, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)

System messages
Hi Angela. I finally figured out what happened with the system messages on Hebrew. I simply didn't understand that *all* the system messages appear in the language chosen in user preferences. So only when I am logged off can I see Hebrew messages. By the way, the adds in the Hebrew version are showing up on the correct (left) side in Firefox (though they still do strange things in Explorer).

The user preference choice of languages creates a slight problem: What if a person wants to do what has always been done in Wikipedia, namely to see the system messages in whatever the language of the site actually is?

This is important not only because some people might prefer it, but also for a much more practical reason: Currently, if I am logged in and working on the Hebrew version, the "Special Pages All System Messages" appears in English!! Thus, I cannot even edit it except by changing my language preferences first! Then if I want to change a system message on the English version, I need to change my language preference back to English in order to edit it there.

Also, if I normally view the Hebrew site with English system messages, I don't learn where the Hebrew messages need to be updated. And a lot of them do need fixing. Some are still in English (in the Hebrew version). Currently, rather than {SITENAME} they all still have <ויקיפדיה> = "Wikipedia", which needs to be changed to <מקר�?> = "Miqra" (as well as namespace, etc.).

So it would seem to me that alongside the language options in "preferences", there should also be an option to choose "default language" for the wiki. Is this possible?Zabek 08:02, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * I've replied at User talk:Zabek. Angela

Google searchbox
Thanks Angela for the code. I have it working fine, but the frame extends right across the page, as opposed to being the same width as the navigation, search and toolbox frames.

I added the code to monobook.php as brion suggested, do I need to add it to the quickbar section of code? and where do i find that? I am using MediaWiki 1.4.

Thanks again, Alison.


 * This could be a result of me taking out our own Google codes before posting to wikitech. These two lines:
 * 
 * 

were originally:
 * 
 * 
 * but if you use those, you could end with any clicks resulting from the ads on the search page giving money to Wikicities (it's only a few cents a week here anyway).
 * You could try putting those to see if this is the problem. If it's not, then I suggest you ask Jason Richey (jasonr@bomis.com) since he's the person who added this for Wikicities. Angela 12:19, 10 Mar 2005 (GMT)

your diff page overflows, backwards
presumably this is because of the rtl language problems, but the diff page for your last edit actually flows off the page to the left instead of to the right. this is a Bad Thing. --Tom talk/Bliki 14:09, 10 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * Jason has made a few changes to the Monobook stylesheets today. If you notice any other problems, please let me know. Angela 15:20, 10 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Miqra summary
Hi Angela. Thanks so much for all your replies (on my talk page)! Rather than respond point-to-point above, I'll try to make things simpler for you by summarizing, because I know you are very busy:

Languages besides Hebrew
Until the technical glitches with Hebrew are resolved, we are concentrating on the three languages with Latin alphabets.

Here there is only one specific issue for which we really need your advice in the short term: Sharing media (audio) files. In our e-mail correspondence before the site was set up you mentioned that in the future it may be possible (1) to share files between languages, or (2) to make direct use of WM Commons. In the meantime, do you think we should just upload files on one language, assuming that #1 is not too far off? Or do you have a different suggestion?

Also, the note on the upload page gives a limit of 100K, which is too small for audio files. Is it still OK for us to upload?

Hebrew wiki
In Firefox everything appears fine now, including advertisements. (Thanks!!) In Explorer things are really weird, not just with adverts, but tabs too (you can't see or click them to edit). So in the meantime we'll ue Firefox.

The other main issue is the system announcements. I highly suggest that, if possible, Jason reload this entirely, using the current Hebrew wikipedia version. The version at he.miqra now is very incomplete. (Doing this might be a good idea for Jason in all non-English languages, since the Wikipedias are normally the most up-to-date).

There is also something we may be able to help Jason with. I assume that he would like to have complete, up-to-date language files for all kinds of unusual languages so that when there are future requests he can simply re-use them with no problems. Once there is an up-to-date Hebrew version, I would be glad to help replace "wikipedia" with {SITENAME}, and any other adjustments that may need to be made (so that the file can simply be reused in the future for another project). Then it could be used more easily in the future with no trouble. Zabek 05:37, 13 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Database error message
Hi Angela

On edits I've been doing today, (on sca21, but occurred here as well) from about the second or third of the afternoon ones, I think, I've been getting a screen saying 'Database error, internal error' when I save (ok on preview). But going back and cancelling the edit it seems to get saved OK anyway (?) Is this just something temporary? (but which would put off new contributors) or have I messed something up? Philralph 17:43, 14 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Just noticed there is a problem with searching also (via the Wikicities box), so similar to Talk:Technical_support (?) I'd been using this box quite a bit beforehand.

I've had the same. JWSchmidt 22:14, 14 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * Me, too (screenshot). --LouCypher &#9742; 22:25, 14 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * This should be fixed now. Sorry about all the bugs, but the good news is that we are getting three new servers this week, and we're now running the latest version of MediaWiki, so things should be a little smoother from now on. Angela 00:35, 15 Mar 2005 (GMT)