Forum:Removing Charitwo as operator on IRC

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I am well aware that User:Charitwo is a blocked user and has been globally blocked for his behavior. However, he is still an active operator in ##wikia. I don't think this is right at all, while ##wikia may not be an official Wikia IRC channel, it is unfair for Charitwo to have access to the channel and be an operator when users such as Megan/Cakemix is banned from ##wikia. If Cakemix is banned, then Charitwo should be banned, or at least have his access removed. It should also be alerted that Charitwo has +f when Randomtime was clearly next in line for founder with the amount of votes. Additionally, Charitwo has shown many times that he is not mature enough for rights. On many occasions he has had petty back and forth arguments about the voicing of Nifky/Hurr. When discussing whether she should be voiced or not, he has voiced her and other users have devoiced her as it is unright for only one user to be voiced when we should all be devoiced. He has continuously voiced her even when users provide a valid point as to why she should not be voiced. He should not have these rights in ##wikia as he is not in a firm enough position to hold them, nor does he have access to Wikia at all.


 * From :

 [22:11] -ChanServ- Entry Nickname/Host         Flags [22:11] -ChanServ- - -- - [22:11] -ChanServ- 1    VegaDark               +votsriRfAF (Founder) [modified 17 weeks, 5 days, 10:28:09 ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 2    charitwo               +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 3    Randomtime             +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 4    Godisme                +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 5    Monchoman45            +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 6    Rappy                  +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 7    Callofduty4            +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 8    Xd1358                 +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 9    *!*@freenode/staff/*   +votriA (Operator) [modified 9 seconds ago] [22:11] -ChanServ- 10   nifky                  +V [modified 6 weeks, 0 days, 00:36:28 ago]
 * Charit wanted to point out he doesn't have +f.
 * Yeah, I was told he was the successor of the channel and assumed that meant he had +f. Apologies.

[22:19] -ChanServ- Information on ##wikia: [22:19] -ChanServ- Founder : VegaDark [22:19] -ChanServ- Successor : charitwo [22:19] -ChanServ- Registered : Nov 15 15:43:15 2011 (17 weeks, 5 days, 10:36:40 ago) [22:19] -ChanServ- Mode lock : +ncCf-t #wikia-overflow [22:19] -ChanServ- URL : http://community.wikia.com/ [22:19] -ChanServ- Flags : SECURE KEEPTOPIC TOPICLOCK GUARD [22:19] -ChanServ- *** End of Info ***
 * Jazzi was referring to successor. That has nothing to do with the number of votes but has to do with the way sannse dole out access. The very next person to get access in a channel after the founder automatically gets successor. Rappy 02:22, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

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He is mean and never deserved his position on the VSTF. -- 21:32, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) It's no secret I have a problem with the way things have been going on IRC ##Wikia!! This is a channel that is supposed to be user-friendly, and charitwo has proved time and again not to be user-friendly!! Someone brings up a legit concern and he runs and hides from it or starts flaming users by mocking them to try and distract from the matter!! When I was getting cloaked, I had to make sure I wasn't going to be banned for changing and including my nicknames in the cloak!! This is more than the voiced or nick argument this is about all past ignored greivances!!
 * 2) Charitwo is known to abuse his op. Though I have stated many times I do not want to keep Nifky voiced due to the fact that she never actually speaks and I have seen people try to ask her for help since she is voiced, charitwo's only reason for keeping her voiced is "tradition". He puts up big fights over nothing, namely his hate of people not identifying before joining, going so far as to ban people's unidentified hosts. When Rappy made a small joke script to call anyone who fails to identify in time "poor", charitwo abused it, triggering it over and over again, claiming he has "testing for a throttle". Even when confronted with all the problems we had with him, it took this forum to say he would stop those actions. Charitwo has proven himself too immature to continue as an op on the channel.--
 * 3) I know I'm not active on central; I am, however, in ##wikia nearly all of the time, and last night I witnessed the aforementioned irrational argument wherein Charitwo insisted hurr by voiced for no reason other than, as Godisme says, "tradition". In general how Charitwo acts does not seem op-worthy at this point, and I have heard numerous times of his abusing his op. So...yeah. That's that. -Minish  Link  16:26, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) It's about time this has been brought up. Even though I am not usually on ##wikia, I have joined ##wikia a few times, and Charitwo, a globally blocked user, told me to leave and it was not best to be here, isn't that welcoming? He has shown to be immature, and that his own ego has corrupted him. Even though ##wikia is not Wikia's own official IRC channel, it represents Wikia, and the users. I do not see why he hasn't been removed a long time ago. Abuse, harassing, immature behavior are not characteristics of well behaved ops. One last detail, Charitwo has shown that whoever isn't in his "buddy list" or "group", users who are new or "annoying" to him, he makes ignorant comments, and makes unjustified reasons to ban people from ##wikia. --  Plasma  ( Talk )  @Community Central   19:23, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Enough is enough. He's the reason I stay away from that channel in the first place. I could write pages about all of the stupid things he's done, but I think everyone else has it covered.  19:59, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) removing his op at the very least, and also Nifky's +V. Per reasons specified above.
 * 7) There would be a time where I'd disagree, and claim that Charit was still a viable user for op, but this time has passed --  Random  Time  21:09, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) * That is hardly appropriate. Thanks. 1358  (Talk)  21:36, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) *Sorry to intrude, as I am no longer an active member here on community central, but I would have to say that Jeff's semi-crude comment is correct. He harassed users for no good reason whatsoever, and I'm glad he has been removed from VSTF, although globally blocking him might have been a bit much. I don't think Charitwo has the maturity to moderate any chatroom/IRC that helps Wikians out, official or not official.  I apologize for my grammar. Colgatecity 21:44, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

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No. He shouldn't even have been globally blocked, in my opinion. (Talk)MassiveSodaDuck 21:00, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Charitwo has been a long-standing member of ##Wikia, and for his services over the years, he definitely deserves to keep his op status on ##Wikia, and here are a few points I’d like to bring up. Though there are times when Charitwo “abuses” his op powers, there are also times when Charitwo has also proven to be knowledgeable in how to use them properly. While I'm not the best person to ask on this matter, I have witnessed Charitwo's use of his op privileges, and all I can say is that he gets the job done his way. Charitwo is a man who has gotten respect over the years – he was even part of the VSTF – but recently, he has lost all of his Wikia rights and has been globally blocked. In my opinion, regardless of his rights at Wikia, ##Wikia is no longer affiliated with Wikia and thus the removal of his rights should not be involved with his op status on ##Wikia.


 * As far as what I have seen from this argument, the supporting side for the removal of his op has been brought up several instances of Charitwo’s behavior and actions – once such regarding Rappy’s scripts, and another being hurr’s voicing. These two items go hand in hand in a way, as some members of the ##Wikia community feel that hurr’s voicing makes the channel seem unprofessional, but then again, so do Rappy’s scripts that call other users “poor” or auto-quiet users. Both of these scripts can make certain users feel like they are being personally attacked, and thus very unprofessional. Hurr’s voicing can be remedied simply by hurr, not Charitwo as hurr can say “no” to the voicing, or leave the channel, or just as easily speak in the channel. This is a problem that is on hurr’s hands, not Charitwo.


 * Another issue I’d like to bring up is that the side for Charitwo’s op claims that Charitwo has made several non-friendly remarks to users, but then again, Charitwo isn’t the only op in the channel that acts in that manner or for that matter doesn’t cause pointless flood on de-voicing/voicing users in the channel. Charitwo hasn’t done anything wrong in ##Wikia, on Wikia yes, but not on ##Wikia – here, he’s just doing his job as an op. I mean, it even makes me laugh as you people say that this is far from the first time Charitwo has acted this way, but then again, with the past knowledge of his actions, you still voted for Charitwo to have op when #Wikia moved into ##Wikia.


 * At any rate, while this forum is good for the community to discuss Charitwo’s status on ##Wikia, in my opinion it is far from what should be as users that aren’t regulars in the channel seem to have already put in their (useless) two cents. In addition, I disagree with this being on Wikia Central as this is a place where Charitwo cannot legitimately defend himself seeing as he is blocked from Wikia as a whole, however, at least he can defend himself in ##Wikia. All in all, I think Charitwo should keep his op since it’s not like it’s going to really hurt if he’s still op – I mean, you’ve dealt with it before, and it’s not like it’s really gotten any worse from what I’ve seen. Anyway, it’s not this text wall will change anything, but oh well. : P &mdash; Wattz  2000  21:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
What exactly are people supporting or opposing here? Ban or removal of rights? I think it's funny how people are effectively voting for something that isn't clear. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 19 Mar 2012 1:02 PM Pacific


 * I didn't really read too much of it, you could tell by the title that it was something about removing something from Charitwo, so I opposed. (Talk)MassiveSodaDuck 21:03, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but are you even aware what this is for, MassiveSodaDuck? Because to me, it seems like you haven't a clue. And to my knowledge, you've never been into the IRC channel. Nor have you Franny. This is something that should be strictly IRC users. Jazzi 21:08, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, removing op from Charitwo's IRC. I know that I've never been to IRC. but, Charitwo should've just gotten his VSTF taken away and gotten blocked for a couple weeks, not gotten globally blocked. (Talk)MassiveSodaDuck 21:11, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * You obviously haven't a clue as to why either of those cases have been done. Both were done with valid reasons. Rappy 21:12, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, we're discussing the actions of Charit on IRC, and - although his global block was a catalyst, it is a symptom of the problem, and not the reason why we're taking this action --  Random Time  21:14, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know why he was globally blocked. I was on this chat when he was trolling staff and spamming. But, he should not have been globally blocked. The trolling was not that major. Why couldn't they have blocked him for a few weeks? (Talk)MassiveSodaDuck 21:15, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Knowing that you've never been to the IRC is a perfect reason why you should not be voting. And the points you are bringing up do not make sense in this forum. Jazzi 21:16, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Chat trolling was the final straw, not the reason that he was globally blocked, this forum isn't here to discuss that issue, which is an issue between Charit and staff --  Random Time  21:17, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * This forum is for IRC, if you were there you would see what it is about!! We all didn't like how some things went down but he's went and going too far!!


 * I have been on IRC, just not very much. And no one really answered my question. Oh well. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 19 Mar 2012 1:44 PM Pacific


 * The forum's name has been changed to clarify. This is a discussion to remove operator status from charitwo in ##wikia, the unofficial Wikia help channel. Rappy 21:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)