Forum:Message Wall - A Simple List Of Names

Since Staff simply don't understand the sheer number of us who do not want Message Wall to replace talkpages, I've set up this page to show them just how many of their users are against the change. This isn't a vote, and it's not really a petition. It's merely a list of users who don't (or do) want this feature to replace talkpages.

Simply sign your name in the appropriate section to show your opinion. Only leave comments in the comment section, as it just makes the list messy otherwise.

I don't like Message Wall and don't want it to replace user talkpages

 * 1) Though these never work and staff will just ignore this --
 * 2) Since when we're we Facebook? --Tama 63  15:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) 1358  (Talk)  15:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) MasterFred 15:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Futility: or The Wreck of the Titan. 15:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) We need to end the madness now. We are the users! We have the power only when we join together! So who's with me?!? ~ Jason Yelloweagle ~
 * 7) The staff needs to listen, and so far they are failing to do so. This feature will send Wikia down a path of no return and it needs to end now. Lancer1289 16:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) NaruHina 16:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Ricizubi16:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC) (maybe 1 or 2 things from it, but nothing more)
 * 10)  Master Jonathan ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 16:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11)  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  16:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Per all. What is this I don't even.  N7  &#91; T &#124; C &#93; 16:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) Gulomi Jomesh 16:33, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) User:Exiledjedi 16:35, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 15) For the record, Wookieepedia's most one-sided Consensus Track to date took a week to get to 36-to-1. This one has reached 31-to-0 in a day. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 16:37, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) Per n7 16:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) -- RoseGui [[File:Thanks rose.png]] ( talk here ) 16:43, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 18)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19) Raven&#39;s wing 16:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20) It honestly needs to be realised that adding something which the vast majority of the community are against is pretty much saying that the community's opinions are worthless. GG (talk) 16:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 21) If it isn't broken, don't fix it. JPanzerj 16:46, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 22) -- Zeist Antilles  flimsiplast 16:46, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23) -- Bleeh (talk) (blog) 16:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 24) Per Panzer, it is easy to work with now. - Crazy Sam10 Talk Poll[[File:ShadowAttackSmallAni.gif]] 16:48, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I am not pleased with having to be forced to use a social networking site-esque user talk model. It should stay just as it is. And I don't think we need to test this to see what it's like, a lot of us use facebook and blogs on Wikia, this is a mix of the two, not that either are bad, but the mix does not belong on user talk pages. --Callofduty4 17:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) -- Bob  ๑  17:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Highestbounty123 17:26, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) This defeats the purpose of a WIKI. This is not Facebook. It's a WIKI. What Staff don't see is that 99.7% hate this godawful feature and will refuse to use it. This means when it does get implemented, communication between users will cease ENTIRELY. Total chaos across the whole of Wikia. And when that happens, I'll be there to remind them "I told you so." Styracosaurus Rider (Speak to the Rider, your Lord and Master) {Look upon my servants} 17:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) .Seshat. 17:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) 1NF3RNO 17:29, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Cheesedude 17:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) It doesn't look like a good idea. HolbenilordTalk₪ 17:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Only with the hope, and with the mere hope, I hope that this is an optional application, ¿whats happening, wikia has realizing secret relations with Facebook? Sylux  en Metroidover / Wikisimpsons / Wikidex / Ace Attorney / Digimon
 * 10) We're not Facebook. We're encyclopedias of information. But apparently that has long been forgotten by the staff. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me)  17:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Looks like my new talk page shall be my userpage. 18:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) Smuff[ The cake is a lie  ] 18:07, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) Smithing (talk | contribs) 18:10, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 15) Why doesn't Wikia understand what wikis are? They are online encyclopedias, not forums, not mirror sites of Facebook... 18:14, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) IT MUST HAPPEN! THE MESSAGE WALL MUST GO! IT MUST BE EXTERMINATED! (sorry, I like daleks). Toothless100 - Talk to me 18:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) -- Shade   18:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 18) Please make it optional at least. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19) -- Talk pages are lovelier.  DanPin  ( Talk ) 19:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20) Its not hard to use talk pages, Oasis or Monobook, so why would we change it? 19:06, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 21) This is not Facebook, this is wikia; and for that reason, I will very much dislike this to be added. Agent Swipe(talk)
 * 22) This is a wiki farm, not a social network.  Goodwood  Talk  | My Darthipedia   Edits  19:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23) I have a facebook account. and it's not Wikia.-- Gilderien Talk|Contribs  19:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 24) The cons outweigh the pros. 19:45, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 25) MLG (talk) - 19:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 26) I can't see any benefit born of this change. If it was optional, it would have a far better reception. - Henry acores  ^  19:49, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 27) There are a couple of interesting ideas in it, but they are mere specks against the vastness of the negatives... and that's before we add in the fact that it's being shoved down our throats as usual, and is the next step in the Facebookisation of Wikia -- Sorceror Nobody 19:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 28) This may be the stupidest and worst idea Wikia may ever have made.
 * 29) Be time to go elsewere this time -
 * 30) Ugh i don't want wikia to look like a social network. Thanks to the talk pages i learn how to edit...sometimes. :-) Alex9400 :-) 20:07, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20:07, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikia is not a social networking site. ~ CD-TDA (talk) 20:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Sunderland06 (talk) 20:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) This isn't Facebook, and never will be. 20:43, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) This isn't Facebook. It is Wikia. --
 * 5) Cpl.Bohater 20:45, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) Uknownada 20:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7)  21:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Primmslimshady 21:04, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Because if I just sit idly by, I can't complain about this later. Hugs [[file:MadeMan2.png|20px|link=User:Scarface11235]] "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
 * 10) I have tolerated many things, this shall not be one of them Gothic Neko :3 talk 21:08, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) This is the most ridiculous pile of social networking crap I have seen for a while and this should not be Wikia's priority. Listen to your community for crying out loud. --Cartman!Talk!
 * 12) Agreed with Cartman. --an0my(talk) 21:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) The system works. Replacing i is unnecessary and disruptive. Plus, I just don't like how it would look too much like, uh, Facebook. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 21:37, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) Bad idea.--144PA 21:45, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 15) ~ M  T  D  M   doesn't have a signature template.  21:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) No 'wall' or socializing tools, this isnt a facebook, this is a wikipedia.--Mylittlewut 22:21, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) I'm all for chat and user page but there is just too far, this is a Wiki NOT a stereotypical Social Networking site Even In Death May You Be Triumphant - Miss Nicolle 22:31, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 18) No Wall, the others have pretty much summed up my reasons against it. Richie9999 22:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19) We will almost certainly be ignored, but this cannot happen to Wikia. Please listen, staff. Please. (Not that you will). 22:37, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20) S im A nt  22:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 21) —ฬ ђ tคlк 23:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 22) Honeestly, I feel like throwing a brush at the computer I'm so mad. Aa  ng  zu  la  23:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23) That's just waste of time if we love to make a custom Talk Page - making it our own style. If change to that bored Message Wall; it's just like neat, straight private school uniform and dorm. --FredCat 00:08, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 24) This just brings in dumb users. Many people enjoy having signatures and talk pages, and now they can't send odd little bits of code that make cools text boxes to each other.BobaFett2 (talk) 00:12, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 25) No. We're well aware of what's good for an encyclopedic interface, and this is not it. We're not using a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality here; we're using a "if it ain't broke don't break it" mentality. Chiafriend12 00:13, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 26) Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 00:26, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 27) Another petition. I guess I go here, even though they don't work. 00:33, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 28) Kagi mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round
 * 29) Silver Glaceon( Talk ●  Contribs )
 * 30) Tails  6000  (<font color="Cyan">I WAS FROZEN TODAY! ) 00:41, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 31) If this fails, I'm gonna cry. WrathOfTheNerd9000 00:44, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 32) Hikaruyami-having fun* 00:48, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 33) Even though I know Wikia's staff is unable to acknowledge their own community, I'll still have my hopes. This is a site for wikis, not social networking.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   00:53, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 34) FUCK YOU WIKIA!!!!!!!!!! Love, --  Recgameboy   | "Always baked,  never fried."  Gary_Pepsi_1.jpg 00:56, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 35) GOD NO. ~J97
 * 36) I am not interested in wikia modeling a social network site. C'mon please, let's keep this edit-oriented and encyclopedia-like. Vulmen 01:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 37) We need a Wiki, not a Facebook. A Light Shining in the Darkness  - Talk 01:09, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 38) Dcasawaang1   (talk)  01:12, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 39) Kate the pawsome wolf Leave me a message anytime! 01:21, September 28, 2011 (UTC) At least make this an option. Most people don't like the idea anyways.
 * 40) SFH 01:24, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Dcasawaang1   (talk)  01:12, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Kate the pawsome wolf Leave me a message anytime! 01:21, September 28, 2011 (UTC) At least make this an option. Most people don't like the idea anyways.
 * 3) SFH 01:24, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'm reserving judgement until I see the actual feature

 * 1) Because I'm not an idiot --  Random Time  17:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * But, it's really clear how it will only operate in one way - like a blog post/article comments. --Callofduty4 18:04, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * RT, maybe you should watch your words a bit because I am certainly taking that as a post that says that all signers in the above sections are idiots. Just sayin'. 1358  <sup style="color:#336600;">(Talk)  18:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Please keep further replies to the comments section. We want to be able to see the list!
 * 1) He has a point, we don't know what it looks like or how it'll be yet. –  Jä zz  i  18:15, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) And now we all do what we've done before. Get over it. &mdash; Wattz  2000  18:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Don't judge a book by its cover, hey you never know, you might love it. TheBen10Mazter  ( Talk - Blogs -Contribs) 19:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) I prefer to experience something before i judge it.--DeadDATA 20:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) I never liked talk pages and Article Comments. They suck. I think we can make suggestions and figure out the workarounds for any deficiencies with Message Wall. — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 21:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) I want justification when complaining. SereneChaos 00:46, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) I wanted to vote for the above one, but I guess you guys do have a point. 01:04, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) I'll be fair and wait until I can actually try the feature out, but if I don't like it then I'd like the Message Wall to just be an optional feature. I don't want to see the Talk pages go if at all possible. Lloyd the Cat  "I hog that hedgehate!"  01:11, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

I like Message Wall and am fine with it replacing user talkpages

 * 1) Troll King Imhungry4444 17:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

No opinion

 * 1) Is this forum actually designed to make an impact? Because it won't. 18:08, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be in the comments section? O.o Smuff[ The cake is a lie  ] 18:10, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Please leave any comments below.
 * The "replace talkpages" phrase in this thread might mislead someone into thinking that this feature will affect namespaces other than User_talk, which isn't true. <span style="font-size:125%; font-weight:bold; font-family:Trebuchet MS, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-shadow:0 0 0.05em #646464">— Sovq 16:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed--


 * You can use http://bit.ly/nomessagewall as a shortcut to this page. 1358  <sup style="color:#336600;">(Talk)  16:48, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Per Xd1358. --  N7  &#91; T &#124; C &#93; 17:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Should we number the votes instead of bullet them? We better keep a track of their number(who will count them) Ricizubi 16:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed them all to be numbered. There is no possible way that not numbering them would make more sense.  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  16:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC


 * Shouldn't the first option simply be "I don't want it as default" since if it's optional, who cares? Also there are about 3 millions users, I don't know how many will sign here, but I doubt it will be a considerable part of them (well let's try it anyway).
 * It's Wikia. When has anything been optional? :)


 * Well I have to say that hiding longer conversations concept isn't bad, I would really like to see that happening, since talks are sometimes too long, shortening them is a good idea, it makes navigation easier. Also having something that tells us WHAT messages we have isn't bad either, but an old fashioned message box is good enough, if it tells me the heading/s that I got, that's ok. Also, IMPROVING the commenting thing, that is something, if the staff can make an improved version of it then that is gonna be great. To name the user/s to which you want to send the message, then in a box you add the text and just send the message, that if it gets a preview button like the editor will be perfect! I will make sending a message way easier. With the message box linked directly to the heading edited, then navigating to the talk will be easier and compressing discussions is gonna make navigating through the talk a lot easier. What else would we need for improvement?!(dreams of being someone important and having his ideas listened, nice dreams, on the blog they won't be at least...) Ricizubi 17:39, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * IDK why you're even bothering with this. Wikia implemented Oasis despite all the complaints, so what makes you think they're going to turn the other cheek with this new feature? Sgt. S.S. 18:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed on that. 18:52, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you really wanna give up just like that? You have to try, you have to since hope dies last, that's one of the basic parts of human survival, to not give up. its better to try and then say you failed rather than to say you never tried, it might be just one site on the internet, but we users work on it, edit on it so we have to careI don't care if they implement it or not, I want what they implement to be improved, not the way they want it, since that way no one agrees Ricizubi 18:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm saying, fighting it is just a waste of energy, as the whole Oasis fiasco proved. Sgt. S.S. 19:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The community tried to avert changes multiple times&mdash;they failed. Why is it necessary to start it over again? As an old French saying referring to the Bourbon family put it: &ldquo;They did not learn anything but they did not forget anything.&rdquo; 19:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * S.S.: Oasis was dealt with, but not without lasting blows. This is looking to be even bigger than Oasisgate, which is saying something. The bigger the bomb is, the bigger devestated area. If WoWWiki nearly left because of Oasis, for example, what will happen now? If they actually do up and leave Wikia's bound to take notice and figure something out. Styracosaurus Rider (Speak to the Rider, your Lord and Master) {Look upon my servants} 19:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...or Wikia will just let them leave, keep the WoWWiki's Wikia domain open for advertising revenue, and they (Wikia) won't miss a beat. It happened when the GTA Wiki decided to move. Sgt. S.S. 19:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not Facebook, this is wikia; and for that reason, I will very much dislike this to be added. Agent Swipe(talk)
 * EBTalk
 * I joined Wikia during November 2008. Nothing new over almost three years has been as bad an idea as this. I feel that adding this message wall thing will make people misinterpret what Wikia truly is. --
 * Why has the Wikia Staff decided to implement a feature that Facebook has been catching flack for itself? The stuff that Wikia keeps adding to Wikia was designed for social networking sites (some of which dont even work correctly), not encyclopedias. In their quest to become a small horde of wealthy Zuckerberg clones, they've neglected the most important aspect of the site; the community.--144PA 21:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly 100 and even 1000 signs against "message wall" won't be enough compared to all the wikia users (more than 3 millions), though the actual active users are fewer... (I say one million, wait did it count anons too?), so 100.000 are a good number (still 10% though). This forum won't prove anything, but the efforts maybe won't get ignored.
 * A doubt, since we see already unfortunately that we will have this application by force, was this affecting also the talk pages of the articles? Sylux  en Metroidover / Wikisimpsons / Wikidex / Ace Attorney / Digimon


 * Wikia is an encyclopedia, not Facebook. Silver Glaceon( Talk ● Contribs ) 00:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)