Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1409530-20150828021235/@comment-1409530-20150828110321

"On some wiki's that's the case, but ideally speaking (thus the vision Wikia has for all its wikis), the community governs a wiki. Which is also why no one really "owns" a wiki. One can found a wiki, but it's not because you choose the domain name and appointed the first administrators that you actually have more to say than anyone else. There normally should not be such a hierarchy as the one you speak of. Administrators and bureaucrats have more technical power as regular user, but that's just because it is necessary for wiki maintenance. In terms of decision making power, the value of their opinion should be the same. However, as said, that is the ideal situation which is not prevalent on every wiki -not saying that it's not prevalent on the Disney Wiki, I'm just making a general statement to counter your belief that there is an inherent hierarchy on wikis.": Understood.

"I got that, but what I think you are not understanding is that you seem to be alone in that opinion. The rest of the Disney Wiki community did not support your desire to have the admin in question reprimanded. As such, you should consider letting it go.": Most of the rest of the community was not given a chance if they wanted to.

"You were able to open a thread before, so they're not silencing that attempt. However, you need to understand that in the thread you shared with us, it weren't all administrators that were opposing you. It were other community members who disagreed with you. Perhaps it's time to consider moving on, because you are not the voice of the entire community. Most seem to be in support of the administrator. As for Staff intervention, they often won't, because it takes a lot of time to get the full story of a situation. Your recollection of what happened is only one side of the story.": "You were able to open a thread before, so they're not silencing that attempt.", less than six hours since I created the last thread I did, I have been given an infinite block on the Disney wiki. "However, you need to understand that in the thread you shared with us, it weren't all administrators that were opposing you.", I understand that. "It were other community members who disagreed with you.": There was someone in the community who was okay with my position (The 13th Hero). "Perhaps it's time to consider moving on, because you are not the voice of the entire community.": I never said I was. So in other words the little person does not matter. "Most seem to be in support of the administrator.": The majority are not always right about everything. "As for Staff intervention, they often won't, because it takes a lot of time to get the full story of a situation.": How much time would they need? "Your recollection of what happened is only one side of the story.": I accept that.

"It's good that you can provide some users who agree with you, but that's still not a majority. Additionally, the administrators seem to have explained their reasoning to you as well, they apparently just grew tired of having to repeat it again and again -which is something I can understand. There is a difference between trying to defend your opinion and repeating it until the other party just grows fed up of talking about it and shuts it down. That too is part of the context of the issue you're encountering. So again, relevance of this entire thing to you: you (nor anyone else) can't do anything about this situation unless you get the support of the majority of the community (which is naturally speaking more than one or two users). Additionally, you don't need to list those examples here, as they are irrelevant to us. We cannot change anything about your situation, only the Disney Wiki community can. All we can do is help you with ways to deal with this -which we have: get majority consensus of the Disney community. However, if you failed doing that one time, it's the polite thing to do to accept that the others just don't feel the same way as you and move on.": "Additionally, the administrators seem to have explained their reasoning to you as well, they apparently just grew tired of having to repeat it again and again -which is something I can understand.", Alex got angry at having to full explain himself. "There is a difference between trying to defend your opinion and repeating it until the other party just grows fed up of talking about it and shuts it down.", I am aware there is a difference. It was shut down before it was fully discussed. "That too is part of the context of the issue you're encountering.": No it has to do with someone who is too arrogant to explain themselves to others and vengefully silences anyone who speaks against them. "Additionally, you don't need to list those examples here, as they are irrelevant to us.": What examples are irrelevant? "We cannot change anything about your situation, only the Disney Wiki community can.": You can't or you won't? "All we can do is help you with ways to deal with this -which we have: get majority consensus of the Disney community.": How can I even hope to get a majority consensus of the Disney community when I have been given an infinite block? "However, if you failed doing that one time, it's the polite thing to do to accept that the others just don't feel the same way as you and move on.": "...accept that the others just don't feel the same way as you...", I have not been given an opportunity to validly ascertain that.

"As you've been told many a times before -really, it gets old answering the same questions again and again- it's up to the community to deal with such cases. The community can with a majority vote decide to do something about an abusive administrator. Administrators answer to the community, so if the community finds their conduct unbecoming, then the community can take action to have said administrator's rights revoked. You can't just expect Staff to swoop in and revoke an admin's rights just because some user made a complaint and claims abuse. Something like that requires an investigation, which requires time. As said above, Wikia Staff gives a lot of freedom to their wikis to govern themselves and places a lot of trust in local administrators as they're actually part of the community and thus know the full story -which a third party would not, unless they spend a large amount of time investigating, time they generally do not have.": "You can't just expect Staff to swoop in and revoke an admin's rights just because some user made a complaint and claims abuse." I know. "Something like that requires an investigation, which requires time.", I know. "As said above, Wikia Staff gives a lot of freedom to their wikis to govern themselves and places a lot of trust in local administrators as they're actually part of the community and thus know the full story -which a third party would not, unless they spend a large amount of time investigating, time they generally do not have.": Perhaps they place too much trust in local administrators? Why do the administrators necessarily know the full story? Are you saying the third party does not have the time or does not want to use the time to investigate things?