Board Thread:Support Requests - Community Management/@comment-3279487-20200311084717/@comment-25463305-20200313215651

This is busy times for me due to the coronavirus, so sorry again for missing parts of the debate; I should be able to answer quicker in the next few days and to sort this out. Generally, I see that there is a way we find a compromise even if you still disagree on some points; but eventually time will fix these disagreements, I believe. It's a long message, but please read it, all of you, I think we're not far from fixing all issues.

Dark Yada a écrit: Would specifying the file's history be enough for you? To me it's hard to precisely say "one editor has made this" in an easy way in wikitext, but the file history indirectly credits you. Unless there is a wikitext way I haven't thought about. Quite simply, Clara can see if the file was imported by Koji or by myself. It is always the creator of the file who adds the file to the site. We would like it to do this for character outfits, sounds, cutscenes and combat footage. Simply because taking these images took us time and we invested in our own material. She can also, if she prefers, add the mention: Made by Koji and / or Alelm from Tekkenpedia FR. I think this is not adequate to mention your names like that, because you might gain editors in the future for the French wiki (and I hope you will!) and that editor could also start to create its own pictures. So it would only work on the short run; and that's why a link to the history, or even better, to of the file, with text like "A list of authors can be found here" works better. Is that enough credit, or you really want your name to be quoted directly on the template? I'm not sure if you can display the ?action=credits information easily. Dark Yada a écrit: A deadline sounds fair enough because Clara has to edit 2600 images and 371 pages here; 15 days might be short, but we can provide a bot if necessary. But anyway if there is any technical issue, it would be easy to identify and to make a longer delay based on this. The idea of deadlines might be too complicated. However, when we can make sure everything has been done on all existing files and pages, and after that you still see there are copyright issues, then I'd say any complaints are legitimate; and if required I or Levi can make sure no copyright infringment should be remaining, so you know when the "flexible deadline" is over. We insist on the deadline. In the past, Clara has already promised to do things she never did. This was also the case with Arbiteras. Also, we want to end this story as soon as possible. We offer a 15 days, today included. Of course if we see after this time that Clara has really done her best but has not finished, we will be understanding. Otherwise, and this is likely to happen, we will request the immediate deletion of the content and the blocking of Clara. For example, yesterday, instead of looking for a solution to the problem, Clara spent her time taking pictures on the site, we would have preferred her to be involved in solving this problem. Furthermore, by doing this, we would like her to be aware of the work that we have done over six years to add all our images (Extract the image, rename it, download it, place it on the site, add the license). So, we will not help Clara to do this. If necessary, we accept to create the banner. Well the "flexible deadline" can have a basis of 15 days, but can be extended if this is technically required. Does that sound fair enough? The banner exists already, but it needs to be improved with links. I ask you to add these links Clara as soon as possible, and if you're not sure how to do that, we're here for technical help.

Dark Yada a écrit: Answering all this together: Clara0408, you should apply to yourself your own rules, and of course the Terms of Use and Fandom's licence. If Fan Art or Off Topic pictures have been taken, well I don't see the point of these being in there? All we can require for is to give proper credit, but... it's probably easier to delete them here, I don't see what purpose they could have honestly. So I'd ask Clara0408 to delete these images if they are really some of them, especially if these are never used in any content page. But of course, this takes time to refer any image not respecting the CC BY-SA terms; and we wouldn't be against a list of these images, so it's easier to delete these. On this point, we will see if Clara is ready to cooperate. List the images would be long and we think it is up to Clara to do so, in fact, copying images without thinking is not the solution. We invite her to sort her images and come to us if she does not know who is the author. This is particularly the case for Twitter images or different logos. These pictures are in no categories and cannot be recognized by someone else than a fan; it sounds, to me, very hard to do that without a list of fanarts that have no encyclopedic value, because they are mixed in the middle of 26000 images. Unless there's a way to recognize them?

Dark Yada a écrit: You are absolutely free to do any of this, but I'd never encourage to have three wikis in the same language on the same topic. As long as there are two of them, you can choose which one you want to work with. Is it possible, on our own French wikia, to offer alternative pages in other languages? Yes - this dead wiki used to do so, but I must say it wasn't done in the best ways. But you're free to add content in whatever language you want on your wiki, even it, at first sight, it would be only in French. I cannot recommend it though, as it makes little sense, as KuroUrufu said.

Dark Yada a écrit: This one is a bit tricky; why does this matter really? A YouTube File on Fandom is basically a link, so it provides a proper attribution in itself. It also brings you views and promotes your wiki or your work, at least indirectly. I'm not sure what the issue is, but here you cannot delete them by yourself as you're not admin of Tekkenpedia-ita and it would surely be considered by Clara as Vandalism; so you can't "reserve that right". Is there anything specific you would want on videos to have better credits? In fact we have our own Youtube channel with a lot of videos. Clara uses them on her site. To show our opposition, we could decide to delete / replace them which would leave on its site videos that do not work. All this shows that we too can harm it. But knowing its great attachment to the rules that govern Wikia I am convinced that she will cooperate now and we will not have to get there. Just no - what you are asking for is to be free to make Vandalism with any videos Clara can use from your channel, and I would block you for that. There is no reason your public YouTube videos cannot be used as any other videos. Rules are the same for everyone, and I don't see why you would need to show you can harm Clara. I will quote (in French, because for some reason I can't find them in English, there seems to be a default language here) YouTube's Terms of Use: Vous conservez tous les droits de propriété sur votre Contenu. Ce qui est à vous reste à vous. Cependant, nous requérons de vous que vous concédiez certains droits à YouTube et aux autres utilisateurs du Service, comme décrit ci-dessous. (...) Vous concédez également à chaque utilisateur du Service une licence pour le monde entier, non exclusive et libre de droits permettant d'accéder à votre Contenu par le biais du Service, et d'utiliser ce Contenu (y compris le droit de le reproduire, le diffuser, le modifier, l'afficher ou l'exécuter) tel qu’autorisé par les fonctionnalités du Service. So you cannot do it yourself again. I'm hoping Clara collaborates here, and I ask you directly so: would you, Clara, want to remove these videos taken from the TekkenPedia FR YouTube channel? This is probably better for everyone because this a tricky detail. It seems there are a lot of these.

Now to the rest of the discussion: Clara0408 a écrit: Good morning to all. I don’t understand the reason to put banners on all pages. The fact that I take some text or some image, doesn’t mean I took the whole site. There are pages that they don’t even have. Among these 2600 images, the images modified by them are about 40 or something like that, which I think I’ve already done. But every time I upload an image of them, I put in my license right away. We ask you to put them on every page where you have taken or translated information from the French wiki. Otherwise, we would delete the page if the banner is not here. This is just following the CC BY-SA licence.

The same applies to the pictures. So if it belongs to Namco, Fair Use is indeed enough; if it's been uploaded by an user on Fandom, then you need to use your banner. There are 26 000 images to review, so I guess this is going to be difficult to put it everywhere. But there's no other way we can have an agreement.

Maybe there are still some points to fix, but the discussion seems to be going the right way. And I think most is up to you again, Clara.

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