User talk:Kirkburn

Thanks for the welcome
Just saying thanks for the welcome, looking forward to filling in as many of the gaps on the Mass Effect wiki as I can, I'm pretty much always creating some sort of database of information on a RPG type game. Only questions I have deal with the Wanted list, just wondering how often it updates and why there seems to be so many of the red link pages missing from the list. Other thing which is connected to the first one is if a page is on the wanted list due to being spelled wrong but the spelling is fixed now will that item on the wanted list disappear eventually or would it have to be created to disappear? I'm actually new to wiki editing so sorry if those are beginner question's I could easily find somewhere else. Galren Creptus 01:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Metal Gear Wiki on Gamespot
Hello. The Metal Gear Wiki has created a list of our Featured Articles (which can be seen here). We hope it is satisfactory. If it is not, please leave a message on my (Fantômas) talk page at the Metal Gear Wiki and we will fix it. --Fantomas 18:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

StarCraft Wiki on Gamespot
StarCraft wiki's featured articles can be found at http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_Wiki:Featured_content and http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_Wiki:Featured_content/Full

PsiSeveredHead 01:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool :) Kirkburn (talk) 16:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I've checked, and it's up. However, unlike the halopedia link, it doesn't show images. Did we do something wrong, or is this the wrong link: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/wiki.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs&tag=tabs;wiki

PsiSeveredHead 22:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the Gamespot wiki page disappeared! It now redirects to http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/index.html which no longer has the wiki tab. Halopedia's tab ist still up. PsiSeveredHead 22:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Your FYI Comment
I read what you said about my skills under FYI on the Club Penguin Wiki. I did not like it. I am actually a very experienced administrator, and am very good at blocking. I am quite serious with my blocking, and am not a lousy administrator. I do not abuse my power, so before you insult me as you did, you better do your research. I am quite liked on the wiki where I am the administrator. SO THERE! Here is what you said:

"Admins have a responsiblity to the wiki, and they should not throw around bans lightly."

I do not "throw" my bans. I block those who swear, add junk onto pages, and other naughty things. I also block those who offend me and other users. I will not block you, as you probably made a mistake, and because you seem like a very good user. I just wanted to let you know that what you said was rude, and it hurt my feelings. Oh, and who is Sansse? I have never seen him edit before.

Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! :) :) 21:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC) 
 * Please see w:c:clubpenguin:User talk:TurtleShroom. Kirkburn (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I Think I Can Do My Job Myself
TurtleShroom is right you are annoying. I simply blocked Peach because there are quite a few Christian users (I do believe but have no religion but I could understand how they feel it's quite offensive to them). I did not do this in any way of me abusing my power. I just barely turned 11 and I know how bad they feel when they see something like that, honestly did you join to criticize people or to help wikis?

Dunklebug 00:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC) Dunklebug

Starter wiki
Saw the message you left over at the Half-Life Wiki, where I'm the new local 'crat. First off, thanks for the suggestions. However, while the Starter Wiki seems like a good idea... everything being locked there sucks. I spotted a broken link and went to check it, only to find out I couldn't. Why does it have special permissions? It just seems... well, unwiki. EVula // talk // 06:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Given it's the base wiki for all new wikis, we can't risk any vandalism to it whatsoever. What broken link did you find? Kirkburn (talk) 10:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I can understand the stuff that is strictly for copying and pasting being locked down, and am not suggesting changing that. But some of the other stuff could/should be left open; what happens if someone comes up with a nice idea for something? As it stands right now, you can't even leave messages for anyone. I understand that, because of the purpose of that particular project, fostering a community isn't a big priority, but still...


 * The broken links (I've since found more) I found are on c:starter:Help:Starting this wiki. The "go all out" link in Item #4 needs a "c:", as do the Muppet, Bioshock, and Lost links in section #2. Right now, they just go back to Wikia proper.


 * Though this wasn't my intention when dropping you a line, I'd be happy to help check for further links if either (a) you change the site's permissions or (b) I get a sysop bit so I can edit (I've got plenty of wiki-experience, so it's not like I'm likely to accidently delete the Main Page). It would just be a hell of a lot more convenient for both of us. :) EVula // talk // 16:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If I happen to run across anything else that needs fixing, I might just go ahead and bug Sannse for the access. EVula // talk // 23:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've fixed those links! The entire wiki is the base wiki, so there is no part that can be left open. To request access I would recommend talking to one of the community team, like User:Sannse who should be able to help you :) Kirkburn (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do that, though it might in a few weeks. I like the idea of the Starter wiki, like I said, but I'm fairly busy right now, and what little time I have is being spent reviving the Half-Life wikia project. I should probably not overload myself. :)

Re. AceWiki
Yeah, I frequent the Wikia Gaming IRC Channel. I know it exists. -- 16:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I'm putting up the notices so others who may not have heard can find out :) Kirkburn (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

CreatePage
Very Nice :)

Well, with that said... is there a way to have it load the CreatePage and have a certain tab selected by default? Or will it always show the first tab regardless?

IE: Someone wants to create a guild, so they click the "Create Guild" button and it takes them to that page and automatically has the Guild Create option up there?

Daworm 23:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Just realised something else, how do we have it create the page into a Namespace? Daworm 00:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Two very good questions - I'll see what I can find out. Kirkburn (talk) 11:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

CreatePlates
Thanks for setting them up on the Lost Odyssey wiki. Is there any way to apply the CreatePlate templates to existing pages, or must they be manually edited? Marco0009 19:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Templates
Hi, this is Atrumentis from the Diablo wiki.

Firstly, I'm having a bit of trouble using templates and finding a list of all the templates on the Diablo wiki. There doesn't seem to be a list, I kept clicking links but they kept leading me in circles. It'd be nice to have a list of all of them and some easy instructions on how to use them. The current instructions make them seem so complicated.

Secondly, I would like to create a new template that deals with the skills of each class. For example:

Template heading: Necromancer Skills

Subheading: Summoning Spells

- list of all summoning skills -

Subheading: Poison and Bone

- list of all poison and bone skills -

Subheading: Curses

- list of all curses -

(They are officially called 'skills', but the sub-category of necro summoning skills are called 'spells')

I don't know how to do it myself, but could you show me?

Atrumentis 05:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, I have a question. Am I allowed to copy text and tables in regards to the game part of Diablo from the Arreat Summit? Because they pretty much have everything we need for the game side of it, it would be much easier to just copy what they have. Our wiki could also improve on what they say, but for now at least, can we just copy their info? I think its allowed, especially if the info isn't theirs in the first place (but sometimes it is). Atrumentis 06:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

AoC Project
Hi, Kirk! I spoke with Catherine about a project involving Wikia and Age of Conan around a week ago, and she said that I should talk with you. Did she get the information about the potential project to you? Do you prefer something other than e-mail, such as IRC or Skype, for primary work communications? Please use my talk page on Wikia Central or this talk page to respond. Thanks! --Lilithia 12:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me! The concept is to have a template wiki set up for launch day.  As soon as the roleplay server names are declared, the template can be reused on appropriately-named wikis for each server.  I noticed over the years that the MMO roleplay wikis in WoW worked best when:


 * Server-by-server: A single RP wiki for all servers was founded and strongly opposed by all server communities; at the other end of the spectrum, wikis for only guilds or groups had equally weak useage and short lifespans.  Additionally, the typical inter-server competition appears to drive innovation.
 * Founded closer to launch date: The further from launch date the wikis were founded, the less community support they received.


 * The template wiki could continue to be used as a sandbox to test new systems and ideas from each server community, to add new and working ideas from each server to the base template, and a template for new RP wikis each time an AoC server opens. This would assure that each community gets their own hub to gather around and improve, but continuity between them would remain.


 * What do you think?


 * --Lilithia 12:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hope you don't mind me replying here :) How specific to AoC do you think it may become? RP realms seem to be popular over quite a few games (e.g. WoW, my main game), so this could be a cool project not only for AoC.
 * In any case, I think it's an excellent idea, I shall see about requesting you a sandbox wiki for you and others to work on. Closer to release we can see about making sure it's all clean and tidy and ready to go out as the "standard" RP wiki. Have you heard of our Gamingstarter.wikia.com wiki? We (try to) use that to start Gaming wikis, and this would be in a similar vein. Kirkburn (talk) 20:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, can you make a request via http://requests.wikia.com ? We should be able to set up your sandbox fairly quickly :) Kirkburn (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I've always hoped to be able to develop the ER Wiki's system to be able to be used in a wide variety of roleplay server wikis for any game that supports the gameplay style (I wish I could do more toward that every day, but pesky day jobs and livings keep eating up wiki time!). It's a great niche for a Wikia to fill for many MMOs, and could lead to business partnerships on a small scale between Wikia, Inc. and the game companies.  Perhaps we should look toward the AoC project as a test of that capability; if successful, we can use the template and apply it to any RP server in any MMO.  Most MMOs could expect that kind of support at launch, as well, building those before-mentioned closer ties.  Think of the service--the exposure--the hitrates!


 * I'm getting carried away, though. I get excitable when this sort of talk comes up.


 * I'll check out the gaming starter wiki, as there may be some useful code there, and I'll put in a request for the sandbox in a few hours. Also, we should probably prepare some advertising and promotion strategies so we can hit the ground running.


 * --Lilithia 22:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey hey, Kirk! Lilithia here.  Since this is something outside of WoW and may involve multi-community interaction, I went ahead and registered my usual callsign instead of my WoW character's name.


 * The wiki request has been submitted at http://requests.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rpgstarter&action=purge.


 * --TarrVetus 18:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * http://rpgstarter.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page is up! Kirkburn (talk) 20:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kirk! My friend and I will start working on things over the month to prepare it.  We'll contact you if we need any assistance.  We'll set a goal of having the template mostly done by the end of this month.  We can start getting together to plan for the AoC release and synching the template with it around the first week of April--do you think that would be enough time to prepare promotion and such? --TarrVetus 21:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine :) Kirkburn (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * A busy and sick weekend and packed work days have crushed my production time. I am going to try to make as much headway into the starter wiki as possible tonight.  We should be back on track by next Monday.  Sorry about the delay.  --TarrVetus 20:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * First, /hug. Second, I'll be very interested to see what you come up with! Kirkburn (talk) 20:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't you know it--I got sick after taking care of my housemate. I got over it after a week of fevers, though. The good news is that I'm rolling along on creating the RPGStarter! I should be able to mostly finish it this weekend. Before I get into the bulk of the work, though, could you look over what has been created thusfar and give me some feedback on the front page and the character sorting system? Just check the recent changes--everything is there. --TarrVetus 19:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Templates
I have tried a few times, but I still can't figure it out. I even used this page to help me:

Here is what I attempted to do:

I just can't do it :(

Atrumentis 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you part of the Wikia Staff?
I don't see your name or picture anywhere on these pages. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr)


 * I am currently a contractor, as opposed to staff. Need to set up a gaming team page :) Kirkburn (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

HI
Whats up

Wikia Site Layout
Is it just me, or is there something really wrong with the whole of Wikia.com? I see everything as basically raw text. No images at all. White background, black text, blue links, all in a list (no columns, nothing like it was before). It feels like I'm using Microsoft Word. Its been like this for a few days, I'm very concerned.

Atrumentis 13:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait, its ok, everything is back to normal! Atrumentis 04:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay! Kirkburn (talk) 11:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Sysop Privileges
Do you know if there is any way to remove sysop privileges from users, allowing them to continue as contributors without the ability to ban, ect.? One of the wikis I operate has formed a clique between some of the moderators and contributors, and the featured content on the front page is frequently only that from friends/good acquaintances of the moderators in charge of choosing features. After repeated attempts to address the problem (forum posts, e-mails, so-forth), I'm running out of options and am left with the need to find new people to handle the responsibility. --TarrVetus 13:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you bring it to a Community Team member they can help deal with the issue. User:Sannse would probably be your best bet. Is it likely a wiki I've been on? If so, give me a link and I'll take a look too. Kirkburn (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can give you a full case rundown. This post contains the public discussion of the situation; look for the post with the pie chart graphic (please read it carefully--the depth of the issue is touched upon within).  Previous to that post, the situation had been mentioned in private on several occasions.  Though untracked after December, members of the groups and friends of those members continue to get more spotlight attention despite new content continuing to come in that is not related to the groups on that chart.  Furthermore, the favoritism is huring the wiki's community perception, making it appear more like the domain of those groups in 'control.'  We're getting tired of being all talk and no action on this issue.


 * We have a sysop from around a year ago that I requested have privileges removed, and that was never addressed. I'm going to try to diffuse the situation as politely as possible, which would be to say that we're transferring selection of the article weekly features to new people/a new system, but the event will likely collapse into having to take away privileges from the two existing sysops, altogether.  As a show that it is possible to manage ourselves, and we're not completely impotent in these matters, I would like to revoke the sysop rights for the defunct account "Gospel Lightfaith" prior to dealing with the favoritism issue.


 * --TarrVetus 14:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

NWN2Wiki overall appearance changes
Hi you've visited us quite a few times. I am working on revising the look and feel of this wikia. This is my current version which is mainly just modifying quartz. ( I faked out the logo in photoshop, since i am not implementing this until i get some consensus. but rest is all done thru my personal stylesheet )

http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Homepagewithstylesheet.jpg

We are using quartz. I'd like to implement a new skin that could look similar to the above, perhaps based on monaco so more features work. Not sure if that is how it works. But i'd want the features of monaco, but be able to move things around more like our current wikia since folks don't all like the newer skin ( we like the frame on the right ).

Is there a step by step description on how to set up a completely new skin. ( CSS and photoshop i already know, i just need to know which are the config files, and if there is a way i can do it in a way that makes it a new option as opposed to a mod of an existing skin ). I am trying to figure this out myself, and have been thru quite a few explanatory type pages, but nothing that really lets me understand how the system works.


 * Unfortunately not really - Quartz wasn't built for the same level of customizability of Monaco (and I must warm you it's no longer actively developed, unlike Monaco). However, this page may be able to help - . Kirkburn (talk) 23:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Change icon for WoWWiki on Wikia central?
Perhaps we should use instead of  (Image:Warcraftlogo.png) on Big wikis, Gaming/List of wikis, and Gaming/The Hits? I don't know if we can track down the source of, but we know that was originally designed by Mikk way back and he explicitly released this one into public domain. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 23:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point. I'll get on it. Kirkburn (talk) 23:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, use the stamp! --Sky (t · c · w) 04:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Fandyllic: c:wow:WoWWiki:Proposed icon is where they came from. --Sky (t · c · w) 04:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not what I meant. I meant the origin of the image and whether the author cleared it for use. It isn't clear who the author is and no obvious permission was given to use it by Wikia. It definitely originated before Wikia took control of WoWWiki and just because it appeared in WoWWiki doesn't automatically subject to Gnu license if it was uploaded improperly in the first place.
 * The stamp works too, but its origin and permission for it is unclear also. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 06:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure Mikk's stuff is free for us to use. The stamp seemed to originate from SilverSide and no objections have been heard from any quarters about the stamp logo. I'd go for the stamp logo anyway, as that's most recognisable at the moment. Kirkburn (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

DPL on potbs wikia
the dpl extension on potbs.wikia.com seems to have been removed, disabled or broken any page on it is now just displaying the dpl code instead of the intended output see [POTBS] as an example Mafoo 23:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Creatures Wiki
As an administrator on the Creatures Wiki, I would really appreciate it if you refrained from making any further unsolicited changes or modifications to our wiki. Things have been going fine since 2004, and as I have stated multiple times to you the last times you have made changes on our wiki, I really dislike unnecessary changes to things that have worked just fine since the wiki's creation. We are not really interested in being a part of the Wikia Gaming community, we don't need fancy new themes, and we don't need any other sweeping modifications or tweaks. We just want to keep doing what we've always done, which is be a simple, straightforward repository for Creatures information. If you have suggestions to make, please feel free to bring them up to us, but making changes without talking to us at all beforehand is pretty uncool. ElasticMuffin 06:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I will be more careful in future. However, can I mention that you have not mentioned this to me in the past, except when I posted talk page messages with suggestions or news. Kirkburn (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * We are not aware of any changes you make besides the ones you tell us about, and I thought it was reasonable to post my concerns on the talk pages where you'd mentioned the changes. ElasticMuffin 14:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Profile Tools on GTW
Hi. More discussion has been happening on our Community Portal if you'd like to reply. Thanks - Gboyers (?) 13:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

SWG Wiki, Rattletrap, Admin
Kirkburn, thanks for your attention but the problem got bigger. The administrator I'm having a problem with blocked me for a whole week since last Saturday, when I edited that Rattletrap page. As you can see in the history, what I did was add more information below the data the Admin. doesn't want to be messed with. He then reverted it, blocked me and said it was because he wants to keep those type of articles (collections, in SWG) in a format, and that I added redundant information. First, one cannot do whatever he wants if he is, in this case, limiting the amount of information people can have access to: wikis are all about information. And second, as to being redundant, when someone tells another person to go to a city named Asdfg, they say the name, they don't give coordinates. I was merely adding the names of in-game cities, and even dividing the coordinates by planet and putting it in an order that follows the beginner's quest in SWG, to make it easier for a new player as he goes from one world to the next.

As for using the summary, wouldn't have made a difference, because that Admin. is doing what he wants. He told me not to ruin it, I improved the article without ruining it (tested in-game), he blocked me the 1st time. I improved the 2nd time without even touching the original information on the article, and without Talk page or anything, 2nd block. Rsreston 18:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Galaxy Angel Wiki, False Content User
Hi Kirkburn, first off, thank you for your compliment on my monaco skin. I'm sure if you look at the edits, you'll see that a lot of experimentation was done to try to figure out how to make it work the way I wanted it to. Anyway, on to my actual concern, there is a user on my wiki, Vandreadworld, whose only contributions have been strange false content that for the most part attempts to link Galaxy Angel with Gundam SEED. The contributions he has made are clearly false, as for the most part, the parts that do have to do with Galaxy Angel (GA) are ripped verbatim from other pages on the wiki, while the parts that don't have to do with GA have clear indicators that they are false, like references to the "Cartoon Network military headquarters" or the "Hero TV Anime Alliance". You can check these by going through my deletion log ; most of the deletions are of his work. Oddly enough though, his recent edits seem to consist entirely of restoring and continuing to edit this one particular article, while sometimes editing other pages to make reference to it. I checked through it and it's still all false content, but it seems odd, since if he wanted to, he could be much more annoying, as to undo his damage at the moment, I only need to redelete the page, and revert his edit on a different one. I've blocked him and his IP addresses a few times now, and almost without fail, he comes back right after his block expires and re-makes his edits. I've tried to talk to him on his talk page, but have gotten no reply. I was wondering if you had any suggestions on what to do. Thanks.


 * Unfortunately I cannot suggest much other than continuing to revert and ban for increasingly lengthy periods. I could request the IPs be checked to see if they're the same as the vandal account, but it seems pretty certain anyway. Hopefully he will eventually realise the futility of his actions. Sorry I can't be of more help! Kirkburn (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: StarCraft Profile tools
I thought about it. I'll be ready for the end of the week, like you were hoping for. Kimera 757 (talk) 23:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Beta Test
If only StarCraft II could beta test this fast :)

How does the Site Notice ID work? I checked the GTA wiki; they have made many changes (about 10, I believe) to their Site Notice page, but their Site Notice ID value is set at 2.

I can't link SiteScout to the Monaco bar yet as the page doesn't exist :) I've gone to several wikis that are using SiteScout, but the source (you can't edit them) always looks blank. However, it's clearly working at the other wikis. The same goes for upload

I believe I have a handle on site notice, custom fields and user extensions. I'm testing the latter here: http://beta.starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/User:PsiSeveredHead/Test (Yeah, right now it's just a copy).

Kimera 757 (talk) 01:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Tools Went Gold...
But there's one small bug.

I'm working on the userbox help page at http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Userboxes_extension

If I add this line: You can embed them in a page using Userbox: the browser crashes when I try to make the edit. This is true for Firefox and Internet Explorer. At present it works if I don't try to make an internal link. I don't know what's going on. Kimera 757 (talk) 23:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Social Profiles are Red Links
Just a small one from GTW. When activated, the new Social Profiles don't rely on (or even use) any content that is actually on the User:Name page. So users with an empty user page (aka every new member, and everyone that exclusively has a social profile) actually just have a bunch of Red links, and users with content on their pages get Blue links whether they're using social profile or the standard wikimarkup profiles. I don't want to ask users to put random useless content in their user pages that won't show up, but I'm just glad the &action=edit flag isn't set up on the red links. Let me know if you can add an extra CSS class for social profile / userpage links that we can set to always be blue. Gboyers (?) 01:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Also something about userboxes. You don't seem to be able to use uploaded images in them at all (you have to save the image to your PC and re-upload in the userbox form) - the same happens with gifts. Also, you can't link to pages in the text area, defeating half the point of userboxes, which is to aid navigation and collaboration. And when you embed them in a page, they are a different size to the one you designed, so trying to make one with (eg) exactly one line of text will fail when its embedded. Also, a lot of the new admin pages (eg Special:GiftManager) aren't appearing on Special:Specialpages. Gboyers (?) 12:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The red links thing is being tweaked. Reported the userbox problems. Thanks! Kirkburn (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

AoC Wiki Social Tools
I love the AoC Wiki social tools. Do you think that could be integrated into the RPGStarter? --TarrVetus 18:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Asheron's Call Wiki starter thanks!
Thanks for the starter layout, oh great helper from across the Pond!

My authorization came through rather quickly, and just before Penguicon 6.0 last weekend, and I'm still winding down from that big mess^H^H^H^Hparty! At least I got a favicon done first. :)

Been going over your guides, and everything else, and doing much offsite planning and plotting. Once I get a good base down so that my vision is visible, I'll be putting out a Call to the forces across the net....especially those who have their own sites set up. :)

Jadawin 22:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)