Thread:Mesektet/@comment-26499804-20200409022430/@comment-3581997-20200409133051

I can site that DLC issue for you to tout to others. Sheogorath/The Hero of Kvatch. According to the DLC for Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - The Shivering Isles, Sheogarath dies, or rather he is an alternate personality of another god-like Daedra, gets cured of his insanity in the final confrontation and as a Daedra of madness this make him both figuratively and effectively dead, however the Hero of Kvatch inherits the title of Sheogorath, assured that in time he/she will grow into their new role as god of madness. Fast Forward to Elder Scrolls V Skyrim and we meet Sheogorath, but he reference the adventures of the previous game stating he had a hand in all of those events.

Meaning the game made cannon what is entirely the product of DLC. It is not wish-full-filament, or a fan-fic, it was an officially licensed game, sold for money built on to it's sequel game. Both descriptions are in Sheogorath and Hero of Kvatch on Heroes' wiki. Now some franchise do not take care of their continuity, see The Termaniator or F.E.A.R. franchises and want to dismiss things previously cannon as non-cannon due to their mishandling of the property, but they still happened, and we are not beholden to license IP to maintain a studio/publisher's stranglehold. The Star War expanded universe may have been ruled non-cannon, but it was cannon for a very long time and those character and novels, poorly written as they were had the official licensed Star Wars name on them, they are still characters that were written and that the IP holder made money on so regardless of taking an eraser to them later, they still happened and we may document them. This is in-fact an important aspect of our work on the wikis - how many IP holders would like to erase years of history to fit into their current marketing plan? We do -not- conform to those cynical legal actions. We are unpaid hobbyists trying to preserve a piece of history, even badly written, poorly thought up pieces of history. You may link this to anyone you like trying to tell you otherwise. I am not admin on every wiki mind you, but on the wiki I maintain that just because the IP holder wants to pretend a character previously green-lit never existed, does not mean we will pretend along with them and silence people who try to write about them like we were the bloody Men-In-Black.

Now there are certain characters/character traits thought to be cannon and not, due to memes, misinformation and the like, Ex. Zeus never forced himself on anyone in the actual Greek myths and fables, though he did legally rape people - this is due to the shape-shifter factor and US and British law assigning dressing up as someone else to engage in sexual conquest with someone they know as rape. To hear most folks on the internet tell it, Zeus goes around holding women down and having his way with them, and quite simply, he doesn't there are no stories where he does that. And I would erase any such entry that tries to spread that sort of unsited misinformation. -THAT- is a non-cannon character trait, something added on later through exaggeration/Flanderisation. But try to say that Mind's Eye, Shivering Isles, Fallout New Vegas, Terminator 3 etc, etc did not happen? No, no those were all green-lit expanded universe DLC/books/sequels someone with legal standing to the IP signed off on. Changing their mind later does not make them untouchable as property. And you can quote me on that.

The only exception I could think of is cross over events. Example - Having Cloud Strife in Smash Brothers does not all of a sudden make Mario a Final Fantasy character and that sort of mislabeling really needs to stop.

I get the feeling I need to see the examples or context of who is telling you that DLC does not count as cannon, but I firmly stand by that as policy and I will gladly go a few round with anyone Admin or otherwise who wants to impose otherwise.