Board Thread:Technical Updates/@comment-26339491-20191203204132/@comment-3403151-20200409152414

Thank you, KockaAdmiralac.

It's nice that someone is FINALLY backing up my statement that the servers are serving WEBPs

Andrewds1021 wrote:

How many times does this need to be repeated? The WEBP issue is only for certain browsers. Please stop repeating it, because it is incorrect: the problem is thatthe SERVER is SERVING WEBP FILES.

Andrewds1021 wrote:

If you want to discuss how difficult it is for anons to get the full image, fine. I do not require your permission, nor did I ask for it, nor do you hold any position in which you have the authority to give it. Andrewds1021 wrote:

It works perfectly fine on Internet Explorer 11 even as an anon. Thanks for finally getting around to answering my only question. I appreciate you taking the time to openly demonstrate your lack of understanding of how Forums work before addressing it.

I have confirmed that Internet Explorer 11 indeed does not download the image served, and instead converts the image. (However, the underlying problem of the server serving a webp remains, as demonstrated in Internet Explorer 11 by pasting the "See full size image" url to imgur and getting an error.)

Fun fact: Internet Explorer 11 isn't a supported browser: Help:Supported_browsers.

So yes, anons using Internet Explorer 11 can easily download a full-resolution version of an image. This gives you the justification to continue saying "only occurs for certain browsers", despite the fact it is an unsupported browser. According to the top google result for browser market share it accounts for only 3.7% of desktop users, so the experience of using Internet Explorer 11 is not the representative experience of the majority of anons.

However, it is disingenuous to say "only occurs for certain browsers" as that wording implies that it effects a minority of users, when the greater truth is that it "only occurs for certain browsers used by the majority of users".

Anons using Wikia's most popular supported browser have no convenient way to download a usable full-resolution version of many images, because the link provided by Wikia is to a URL that says jpg/png but often serves a WEBP image to *all* browsers, and any browser that trusts the web server to be honest about the filetype will save the WEBP verbatim with a jpg/png filename.

Anons using any browser no longer have any convenient way to download the original unconverted and uncompressed image.

They can modify the URL in order to obtain the original image, or to just obtain a usable image, but is it not something a typical anon should be required to know how to do. They can also take a screenshot of their screen and paste it into an image editor - but the fact that there are workarounds does not absolve Wikia, and constantly mentioning said workarounds when we're discussing what Wikia DID, and what they should DO is nothing but a distraction tactic. Andrewds1021 wrote:

Having some wikis where anons download images is not the same as having most wikis with anons downloading images. Video game wikis are an entire vertical. I can't find any information on numbers or percentages of each vertical compared with all wikis, but the first "Hub" option when you create a new wiki is "Games", which would tend to indicate it is a fairly popular vertical.

It is disingenuous to dismiss Video Game wikis as "some wikis". Video Game wikis are, at the very least, "many wikis".

Your attempt at manipulating phrasing to minimise the issue aside, you are fairly successfully using the troll tactic of distracting from the larger issue by focusing on a single point.

It doesn't matter how many anons want to download images.

A non-zero quantity of anons want to download images, and, statistically, more than half of them are using Chrome.

You trying to argue about how many anons want to download images is irrelevant, as I have already acknowledged that Wikia Staff simply do not care about anons who want to download images. Andrewds1021 wrote:

Your extrapolation from your own experience to the broader wiki community is as baseless as mine is. Thanks for confirming your extrapolation is baseless. Now please stop doing it.

Andrewds1021 wrote:

They are not "inaccessible" as you repeatedly claim. This is a blatant attempt at a straw man argument by openly lying about what I have said.

I welcome anyone to search for the word "accessible" - I have never said "accessible" or "inaccessible", nor have I made any such claim using different wording. From the very first revision of my first comment in this thread, I have always said "no convenient way", as a tacit acknowledgement that there IS a way, just that it is not convenient.

Your failed attempts to reframe the discussion to suit yourself is one thing. But lying about what other people have said should get you blocked.

Note:


 * I have agree with your response to my previous question that downloading WEBP files in IE11 results in usable images.
 * I have asked you zero new questions.
 * Due to you lying and using troll tactics to steer the conversation off-topic, I will not be responding to anything further you have to say.

KockaAdmiralac, as a Volunteer Developer, I hope that you will be able to get this issue addressed and resolved.

Now that someone competent has acknowledged this issue, I am unfollowing this thread.