Thread:Janus100/@comment-27794543-20160717093855

I watched the entire Skyzy/Bugthe/Panorama500 situation as it happened and it left me very frustrated. As an admin on a couple wikis and as someone's who's regularly followed & contributed to Wikipedia's admin noticeboards, e.g ANI, I'm familiar to how wikis work. What was happening on The 100 wikia baffled me.

I'm not writing this to "incite conflict", but to show my perspective. I don't mean this as an attack, but I do feel this situation was mishandled. Admins have more power, but each Wikia belongs to the community. It is the right of users to state when they believe an admin's actions were wrong.

A few of my observations:


 * On June 6, Skyzy complains to Panorama500 that Bugthe deleted content on The Ark page.
 * What happened on the Ark page is that on June 5 an IP added a giant section. Less than 24 hours later, Bugthe removed the section, stating "rm recent anon addition. What isn't repetition from Station Components is speculation and analysis, or errors such as Factory station crushing into the ocean."
 * I agree with the removal: a) we now have two giant sections where we repeat sub-sections for each station; b) it's full of speculation, practically every sentence, e.g. Arrow Station "presumably landed somewhere in the Carolinas or northern Georgia" (where did IP get this info?), Hydra Station "brunt up and exploded in atmosphere killing everyone onboard" (source?), Tesla Station is needed for Sky People to get " light bulbs" (since apparently all the light bulbs in Arkadia magically disappeared?)
 * Panorama500 took Skyzy's word that Bugthe deleted good content. He then reverted the removal and blocked Bugthe for 24 hours. He never asked for Bugthe's side of the story. When Bugthe explained his edit, Panorama500 never responded.
 * This entire situation felt ridiculous to me:
 * Skyzy's biggest complaint about Bugthe is that she claims he's adding speculation. Here Bugthe removed obvious speculation, so Skyzy complains to Panorama500 of the removal of speculation.
 * Since when is the first removal of content punishable by a block? Bugthe edit was in good faith and the removal was explained with an edit summary. If Panorama500 believed the content should be there, then he could have added it back and explained to Bugthe the reason for keeping it. A block with no warnings is an overreaction.
 * On Wikipedia, we follow the BRD cycle. It means the IP's addition was a bold edit and others may revert it. If reverted, the person wanting the bold addition should explain why it should be there. Wikia doesn't need to follow this, but what I saw [questionable info added, it's remove, then instead of a discussion, an admin blocks the user for a reasonable revert] was senseless.
 * Thus, 1.5 months later The Ark page still has two sections for each station and all that speculation. I've intentionally stayed away from the page, since from previous admin action, it seems any cleanup is inviting a block.


 * On June 9, Skyzy complains to Panorama500 that Bugthe called her "bossy" in a comment on Bryan's page. Reading the comment, I have no idea how Skyzy interpreted the comment to be a personal attack on her, since Bugthe's was using "bossy" to explain what "manpain" means to Arctictigers and not regarding any user. Regardless, Panorama500 agreed with the complaint, and told Bugthe off for harassing Skyzy.


 * Then on June 14-16, Skyzy complains to Panorama500 again. She has a heap of complaints, from harassment to being rude to another admin.
 * Apparently Bugthe is harassing Skyzy by editing her edits ("they edited MY edits off the Cerberus page first"). Now before Bugthe's edits, the last time Skyzy edited Cerberus Project was April 13 (and that was a move, last time Skyzy added content to the page was in 2015).
 * Skyzy cited WP:NPV multiple times, so I'm sure she's also familiar with other Wikipedia policies like WP:OWN. That means she has no ownership of the page or the content. She can not expect other users to look through page histories to see what content she added months ago and not touch "her" content. Her arguing that she edited the page first, she might as well say that Bugthe isn't allowed to edit any pages since she edited them all first.
 * Skyzy argued that Bugthe has "continued to be exceedingly rude to another admin [Panorama500]" citing two previous discussions: one & two. Those two threads are the two situations I described above (Ark page & "bossy"). Apparently, a user explaining their side of the issue instead of agreeing to Skyzy's view is now "exceedingly rude".
 * During this time, Panorama500 made no comments until he banned Bugthe. Then he made two comments: one to Skyzy saying "It has been taken care of, until Taya comes back" and the other telling Bugthe he's blocked, apparently agreeing with Skyzy.
 * Only yesterday, did Panorama500 explain the block, stating "[Bugthe] did not follow chat policies, since he was constantly harassing and targeting SkyZy." Honestly, I'd like to see some examples of where Bugthe targeted or harassed Skyzy, because from what I saw, Bugthe spent his time avoiding Skyzy.

I think Mason is a nice guy and I know he's a new admin. I don't mean this message to be an attack on him, and I hope he doesn't interpret that way. I understand that he doesn't want to be involved in this mess – it's annoying and frustrating. However, a big part of being an admin is resolving annoying conflicts. That's why there are plenty of experienced editors on Wikipedia who don't want the mop – being a "janitor", cleaning up messes, isn't fun.

PS: If there are any inaccuracies above, please correct me. 