Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-13301-20170502181922/@comment-310-20170508184255

Cqm wrote: Those aren't quite like for like comparisons - Two Tailed Fox is a bureaucrat on Yu-Gi-Oh Wiki. He is clearly biased towards PI, but that view does seem to be vaguely shared by the wider community there. Dinoguy1000 seems to be the only notable opposition, and I would agree with his points about the general lack of argument provided in the proposal (although that is the case for almost every PI thread I've seen). The note about preventing reversion of the conversion in the closure is an over-the-top approach to take in my view, but that may be how they do things there. Nonetheless, it would be a cause for concern if an admin or bureaucrat did the same on my home wiki.

There's a good reason I'm biased toward PIs. I deployed them on another wiki, and they made my life astonishingly easier. I'm not joking, it's literally been the cure to several headaches I've encountered with Wikitext.

The prevention of editing is to ensure that the three test Infobox templates (and bear in mind, it is only three so far) that were created remain in place, and any problems or omissions in the code or appearance get detected and noticed, rather than brushed aside in a reversion of the template code where diagnosing them is harder. Every issue so far that's been mentioned to me has been resolved and dealt with, usually involving code that I hadn't transplanted.

Dinoguy1000's objections stem from several factors; moving away from Wikitext for Infoboxes means moving away from what is for him (and many others), a comfortable and (mostly) versatile language. I get that. However, while myself, and many others are of the opinion that the mobile layout is poor, Dinoguy1000, and several other admins, have repeatedly downplayed either the importance of mobile appearance, or the severity of the appearance itself. That scenario is very much "I think I'm right" in my case, and that can only end one way.

I respect Dinoguy1000 in that he believes that he is acting in the best interests of the Wiki, and I reiterate that I still want to work with him with these new templates, but that's a door that only he can walk through. Nevertheless, it is a door that remains open, and I still firmly believe that the templates can only be made better with his input, given his years of template design thus far.

76.11.216.124 wrote: A bureaucrat TwoTailedFox may be, but it's been years - close to a decade, in fact - since he's been anything like a central figure in the YGO wiki community, not that that's stopped him from bandying about his status as founder, as though that actually has some significance.