Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1409530-20150828021235/@comment-1409530-20150828093247

Lady Lostris wrote: Jdogno7 wrote: "And if it's a discussion you really can't have there and must have here, I recommend you ask other members of the community to voice their opinions of this issue.": The overall wikia community or just the Disney wikia community? The Disney Wiki community, as they're the only relevant party in this case. Wikis are governed by the community, who has appointed (trusted) administrators to help enforce the rules. If the majority of a community agrees that a certain administrator should be demoted, that is something you could show Staff and then they might intervene. However, if you do not have such a consensus from your own community, there is little you can do, and you might want to consider moving on from that wiki.

Jdogno7 wrote: "But no guarantees that he'll be demoted, I've heard mixed comments about how much they actually interfere or help with "abusive" admins.": I don't necessarily want him demoted, I just want him to be made to deal with things in a rationale manner. I want him to be made to have a civilized discussion on the matter. I understand that that may be your goal, but you've already brought this under the attention of the community of the wiki, and they didn't agree with you. Part of being a wiki community also means "working together" and "trusting each other's judgement". Administrators are generally speaking trusted users, and while they are not without fault themselves, they are trusted to deal with things, and in this case, the other administrators either did not agree with you or did not feel it necessary to take action. Again, you can try to appeal again to the rest of the Disney community, but I doubt it'll get you very far, as it will likely only result in more conflict, if the bits of text you shared are any indication.

Jdogno7 wrote: "...I've heard mixed comments about how much they actually interfere or help with "abusive" admins.", Who do you mean by "they"? "They" refers to Wikia Staff. They let wikis govern themselves with as less interference from Staff as possible. This is all in the bigger picture of autonomous wikis, let them be as they want to be within Wikia's Terms of Use. This allows wikis to form their own identity, though the downside of this is also that Staff is likely not to get involved with internal disputes and trusts administrators to deal with that. Administrators have the power to block whoever they want for whatever they want, and there is generally not much to do about it.

"The Disney Wiki community, as they're the only relevant party in this case. Wikis are governed by the community, who has appointed (trusted) administrators to help enforce the rules. If the majority of a community agrees that a certain administrator should be demoted, that is something you could show Staff and then they might intervene. However, if you do not have such a consensus from your own community, there is little you can do, and you might want to consider moving on from that wiki.": "Wikis are governed by the community, who has appointed (trusted) administrators to help enforce the rules.": I thought the founder was the one who governs the entire wikia with all other administrators subordinate to him/her. The founder is the alpha administrator, who initially appoints others, who can later appoint others themselves, but that is the point, the admins are appointed by either the founder or other admins not the overall community. "If the majority of a community agrees that a certain administrator should be demoted, that is something you could show Staff and then they might intervene.": I am not necessarily asking for the administrator in question to be demoted, merely reprimanded at most. "If the majority of a community agrees...", How can that be established when the admin is attempting to silence all opposition. "...that is something you could show Staff and then they might intervene.": You mean they will not intervene if an admin is using their authority to bully others and silence them for standing up to them? "However, if you do not have such a consensus from your own community, there is little you can do,...": But that does not mean someone else could not do something?

"I understand that that may be your goal, but you've already brought this under the attention of the community of the wiki, and they didn't agree with you. Part of being a wiki community also means "working together" and "trusting each other's judgement". Administrators are generally speaking trusted users, and while they are not without fault themselves, they are trusted to deal with things, and in this case, the other administrators either did not agree with you or did not feel it necessary to take action. Again, you can try to appeal again to the rest of the Disney community, but I doubt it'll get you very far, as it will likely only result in more conflict, if the bits of text you shared are any indication.": "I understand that that may be your goal, but you've already brought this under the attention of the community of the wiki, and they didn't agree with you.": SilverFlight said it was okay. Check http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:578462, that will show you.

"The 13th Hero did not have a problem with it. Check it out at http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:588801:

"The 13th Hero reply to #3

Alex2424121 wrote: "For your own sake don't you start. Just try and understand that God is more familiar and easy to remember. I mean do you ever hear someone talk about a trinket using the term Tchotchke instead of knick knack or trinket?"

"Sorry, didn't mean to insult in any way. I think both words are easier to remember. Don't worry, Joseph8 is much worst than Jdogno7.""

Part of being a wiki community also means "working together" and "trusting each other's judgement".: Trusting someone's judgment is not the same as blindly following them.

"Administrators are generally speaking trusted users, and while they are not without fault themselves, they are trusted to deal with things, and in this case, the other administrators either did not agree with you or did not feel it necessary to take action.": "the other administrators either did not agree with you or did not feel it necessary to take action", SilverFlight did not have a problem. SilverFlight is an administrator on the Disney wiki. The others either were not aware or too terrified of Alex to take action I would say.

"'They' refers to Wikia Staff. They let wikis govern themselves with as less interference from Staff as possible. This is all in the bigger picture of autonomous wikis, let them be as they want to be within Wikia's Terms of Use. This allows wikis to form their own identity, though the downside of this is also that Staff is likely not to get involved with internal disputes and trusts administrators to deal with that. Administrators have the power to block whoever they want for whatever they want, and there is generally not much to do about it.": "This allows wikis to form their own identity, though the downside of this is also that Staff is likely not to get involved with internal disputes and trusts administrators to deal with that.", What if the internal dispute is because of an admin abusing authority? "Administrators have the power to block whoever they want for whatever they want, and there is generally not much to do about it.", Administrators should have to answer for their actions just as much as any other user. When an admin is being abusive to other users on a wiki, Wikia staff should intervene in those circumstances.