User talk:Piandao

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Enjoy! -- Angela (Talk) 22:18, 3 June 2009

Hi there
Welcome to the central wiki, Piandao. While I'm here, can I ask you why you suddenly went inactive on Avatar Wiki? You were doing well, and I guess I thought it a little odd. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 02:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi 888, I can't say I have much experience of wiki communities (because I haven't :), I stood down because I felt too much negativity. Your last comments on my talk page 888, were a little disturbing for me. In one fail swoop I was tagged as annoying, sniping, not editing, not taking remarks by others as good intent (obverse of that 'coin' means I'm taking them as bad), and off topic?? Doesn't stack up (less editing on Avatar but not elsewhere).
 * The fact that it was "getting pretty annoying" for you (I don't know if others felt the same), well, I just thought it best to have one less person disagreeing. I did not want to be annoying you further as well, by voicing or reacting (felt like a catch 22 - me disagreeing again).
 * Well that's it pretty much - I hope all is well there. I loved the subject (Avatar), love the style of the wiki (professional) and enjoyed editing on the wiki Piandao  Talk aka, Advocate for Auto-signature (frustratingly :-[  )!
 * Awh, don't leave us :( ~Joey~  ^Talk^  09:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Joey, I don't think I can stop disagreeing and leaving my opinion here and there. While your here; I am looking at a project that needs many talents, yours would be appreciated Joey. A wiki that has had little and poor input on what should be popular subject (apart from copy n paste from wikipedia), as well as irregular users and page styles to match. Templates needed and a great deal of HK where a bot or two could be useful - any interest? Piandao Talk 10:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Your reply surprises and saddens me, and does make me feel a little bad. I feel bad because what I seem to have done is play the villain who goes around dealing out harsh comments. I'm apologising for that - I also want to say that I didn't intend to be highly negative, I just wanted to point out an improvement you could make (constructive criticism). I also note that no person "gets annoying" for me; rather, it is the behaviour that is annoying.
 * Obviously, I'm inviting you back, because I of all people appreciate most constructive criticism of my dealings, as it can only improve my own wiki style. (Well, I'm not that experienced either, haven't passed the year mark yet.) I will always invite debate on a wiki, because that is the way wikis produce the highest quality material - after it has been dissected and analysed. However, I know I can't force you; this a free world, and you are free to do whatever you would like on Wikia.
 * Also, if you require it, I can assist your wiki in templates, popularity issues, design and policy layout (pretty much anything except botting, I fail at that.) However, you are free to decline that assistance, as I do recognise I may be a thorn in your side. Best regards, Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 10:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess we are both surprised and sad 888. You were saying what you felt. Problem with being annoyed is that it's usually ourselves that we are truly annoyed with (frustration). I know what you were trying to achieve 888; stepping onto the middle of a disagreement is a tricky process and not without risk. I woke up that morning, turned on the laptop, and found a footprint on a place that I use for sitting (comfortably while typing). It came over as a fiat (not the car), rather than a suggestion. While you are not in the trap of using the gambit of 'admin's word is final', I was not going to risk checking it out. With the respect that you have and deserve, I did not want to be involved in pushing a button if you were having a bad spell, if you have a button that is. As I said, it seemed better not to have anymore admin v editor (we are all users) arguments.
 * I wanted avatar wiki to be more settled. While I have opinions, I can't not help but interject. I had a look at some other wikis, and by comparison their are some issues of 'control', mainly by the way things are said (not easily seen from within), so I stepped back. Sorry I did not email you either, but if there were to be any issues, then in camera would have been a risk (glad to hear there wasn't). Funny, you'd think in camera would be more public than private. It's good to know we are on the same wave length - mostly :) Piandao  Talk 14:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just saw your comment in adoption - thanks for that Piandao  Talk 14:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

On the subject of help
Yes I'd be glad of it. Especially as I will not be in the dark regarding your abilities and the job will get done. If you can make the time it will be appreciated. I noticed earlier this morning that you are on the community as were a lot of janitors, and one or two passers by. I predict that the 'catchment group' that the wiki falls in, will likely have some immature visitors, it will need delicate handling. A makeover for a more professional look is urgently required for the right appeal and ensure quality editing. I won't be sad if there are no LA/AL/LC issues, but likely some randomness in a popular show that somehow has not achieved a hundred pages in 2 years, and I gave up counting when I reached 400 wanted pages. I am looking at redoing the main page over stages so that previous visitors will see the change but not view it as autonomous. There seems to be no templates to speak of and far too many ad hoc page layouts. Out of nearly 100 pages many are just 'one liners'. Basically there is a lot of material needed as well as the infrastructure bolstering up. A regular visit would be great. Piandao Talk 14:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll respect your decision to not edit Avatar Wiki, because in the end, that is your choice. Feel free to drop in though from time to time! :)
 * About the Scoobee Doo wiki, I'll drop in whenever I can. The first things I'll work on for now are the skin (I'll be able to manage that, just no banners, I fail at that) and the main page, because they are the "first impression". I'll get started on those tomorrow night, it's nearly one in the morning now... but yeah, give me a call whenever you need help, because chances are, I'll be bored and I'll want a challenge :) Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 15:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Our "Spats"
Hey Piandao. Its great to see you're still around (well, your editing a wiki). I hope you going inactive wasn't because one of our misconceptions. You were a great user, and a good contributor. These things happen on wikis, usually to newer users. But eventually, you get use to the criticism, you breathe it in, and you try to fix it. Maybe you could try to come back, for the heck of it? Just so you can be assured your making the right choice. But I can't force you, because its all you. Vaznock - Talk 00:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Vaznock, I have no problem over the differences we had, it's fact of life not just wikis. "All we need to do is keep talking" - Pink Floyd. I actually felt discouraged from doing that at the time. Hence focusing elsewhere; I had my eye on Scoobypedia for edits, while inputting elsewhere too. Scooby needed a walk in the park and some snacks (TLC), so I adopted him. Trouble is I feel obliged to understand more about wiki inside and out (holistic); it is overwhelming and with my computer background (none), I can't see me doing too much elsewhere while travelling at a snails pace up this learning curve.
 * Sadly I just ordered more Avatar CDs (Book one for €10), viewing is on hold for now. If you have some time, or know fans of The Scoob, you know what to dooby doo!

Ranks ror rour risit Vaz :) Piandao  Talk 08:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)