Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1409530-20150828021235/@comment-3026053-20150828095915

Jdogno7 wrote: I thought the founder was the one who governs the entire wikia with all other administrators subordinate to him/her. On some wiki's that's the case, but ideally speaking (thus the vision Wikia has for all its wikis), the community governs a wiki. Which is also why no one really "owns" a wiki. One can found a wiki, but it's not because you choose the domain name and appointed the first administrators that you actually have more to say than anyone else. There normally should not be such a hierarchy as the one you speak of. Administrators and bureaucrats have more technical power as regular user, but that's just because it is necessary for wiki maintenance. In terms of decision making power, the value of their opinion should be the same. However, as said, that is the ideal situation which is not prevalent on every wiki -not saying that it's not prevalent on the Disney Wiki, I'm just making a general statement to counter your belief that there is an inherent hierarchy on wikis.

Jdogno7 wrote: I am not necessarily asking for the administrator in question to be demoted, merely reprimanded at most. I got that, but what I think you are not understanding is that you seem to be alone in that opinion. The rest of the Disney Wiki community did not support your desire to have the admin in question reprimanded. As such, you should consider letting it go.

Jdogno7 wrote: How can that be established when the admin is attempting to silence all opposition. You mean they will not intervene if an admin is using their authority to bully others and silence them for standing up to them? You were able to open a thread before, so they're not silencing that attempt. However, you need to understand that in the thread you shared with us, it weren't all administrators that were opposing you. It were other community members who disagreed with you. Perhaps it's time to consider moving on, because you are not the voice of the entire community. Most seem to be in support of the administrator. As for Staff intervention, they often won't, because it takes a lot of time to get the full story of a situation. Your recollection of what happened is only one side of the story.

Jdogno7 wrote: But that does not mean someone else could not do something? As you've been told before: no one can do anything about it except for the majority of the community. If the majority decides to not take any action, there is nothing further to do lest to move on. Either let the issue slide or move on from the wiki in question. You've been told this before, so please stop asking the same question over and over. The answer will not change (which, I might add, is likely what caused the administrators of the Disney Wiki to get annoyed with what they labeled your "relentless curiosity" and "lack of cooperation". It grows tiresome having to repeat oneself).

Jdogno7 wrote: The 13th Hero did not have a problem with it. Check it out [...] It's good that you can provide some users who agree with you, but that's still not a majority. Additionally, the administrators seem to have explained their reasoning to you as well, they apparently just grew tired of having to repeat it again and again -which is something I can understand. There is a difference between trying to defend your opinion and repeating it until the other party just grows fed up of talking about it and shuts it down. That too is part of the context of the issue you're encountering. So again, relevance of this entire thing to you: you (nor anyone else) can't do anything about this situation unless you get the support of the majority of the community (which is naturally speaking more than one or two users). Additionally, you don't need to list those examples here, as they are irrelevant to us. We cannot change anything about your situation, only the Disney Wiki community can. All we can do is help you with ways to deal with this -which we have: get majority consensus of the Disney community. However, if you failed doing that one time, it's the polite thing to do to accept that the others just don't feel the same way as you and move on.

Jdogno7 wrote: The others either were not aware or too terrified of Alex to take action I would say. That is your -probably baseless- opinion. Administrators are generally users who 1. keep an eye on the wiki, see what's happening there (thus meaning that they likely will see conversations like that), and 2. are generally in contact with each other outside of the wiki as well. Just assuming that Alex bullied them all into silence is assuming bad faith on your part as well, but is just as bad as what you claim he did. So again, there is nothing you can gain from continuing this thread here on this wiki. We've already told you the only option that is left for you: gather consensus on the Disney Wiki and if you can't, move on.

Jdogno7 wrote: What if the internal dispute is because of an admin abusing authority? Administrators should have to answer for their actions just as much as any other user. When an admin is being abusive to other users on a wiki, Wikia staff should intervene in those circumstances As you've been told many a times before -really, it gets old answering the same questions again and again- it's up to the community to deal with such cases. The community can with a majority vote decide to do something about an abusive administrator. Administrators answer to the community, so if the community finds their conduct unbecoming, then the community can take action to have said administrator's rights revoked. You can't just expect Staff to swoop in and revoke an admin's rights just because some user made a complaint and claims abuse. Something like that requires an investigation, which requires time. As said above, Wikia Staff gives a lot of freedom to their wikis to govern themselves and places a lot of trust in local administrators as they're actually part of the community and thus know the full story -which a third party would not, unless they spend a large amount of time investigating, time they generally do not have.

So, to conclude, since it's all just becoming repetitive: You can try to gather consensus on the Disney Wiki. From a previous attempt, it looks like that will most likely fail, thus you should consider moving on, either move past the argument or move on to another wiki. There is nothing else you or anyone else can do, so there is really no need to keep going in circles on this thread.