Board Thread:Support Requests - Community Management/@comment-3279487-20200311084717/@comment-25463305-20200312231625

Okay so I'll try to answer all your requests Alelm, and also what has been discussed after that. This thread is very active, hard to keep up with everything! But I'm happy there is a will to find a compromise on this tricky situation.

Alelm wrote: - We would like a banner stating that this is an unauthorized translation made by Google Translate, as well as a link to our site, to be present on all pages. At the moment we notice that there is no link to our site. I don't see the harm in the idea, though it would be surely wrong to credit specifically Google Translate - it's the common translator we use, but after all Clara can use any other online translator, or even a French/Italian dictionnary. I think the best is to say that "This text has been translated, possibly using an online translator" which would sound accurate, and keep the general idea.

- We also want a banner to accompany images that have been modified by one of us. Again, we want a link to appear. Would specifying the file's history be enough for you? To me it's hard to precisely say "one editor has made this" in an easy way in wikitext, but the file history indirectly credits you. Unless there is a wikitext way I haven't thought about.

- We wish to impose a deadline for the deposit of these banners so that Clara actually does it instead of continuing, as she is doing right now, to plunder our site. So we give him 15 days. A deadline sounds fair enough because Clara has to edit 2600 images and 371 pages here; 15 days might be short, but we can provide a bot if necessary. But anyway if there is any technical issue, it would be easy to identify and to make a longer delay based on this. The idea of deadlines might be too complicated. However, when we can make sure everything has been done on all existing files and pages, and after that you still see there are copyright issues, then I'd say any complaints are legitimate; and if required I or Levi can make sure no copyright infringment should be remaining, so you know when the "flexible deadline" is over.

- We wish to be able to warn if Clara continues to appropriate our work without placing a banner. Therefore, it seems fair to us that a limited number of warnings exist in order to avoid any abuse on its part. We believe that three warnings are sufficient. Well, it would be better if you report any issue in the future concerning your content not having a proper attribution to one either French or Italians Helpers anywhere in our Message Walls (I would prefer the French Community Central). I wouldn't mind mind to put some warnings and delete the unfairly taken content when required, but I don't think it would be efficient if you do it yourself as you don't have admin rights on Tekkenpedia-ita, while we have Helper Rights on the entire Fandom platform. It's easier for us to give warnings.

- Clara clearly appropriates our work in this conversation, justifying our anger: https://tekken.fandom.com/it/wiki/Conversazione:756#2 - We notice that there are images on Clara's site that we created and which have no link with Tekken: we wonder about a possible theft. This is what happens when you copy everything without thinking. - Similarly, all the Fan Art used by Clara do not mention the authors, showing Clara's little respect for the work of others. - We notice that Clara, in her own rules, insists on affixing a license on these images but does not do it herself: https://tekkenpedia-ita.fandom.com/it/wiki/Licenze_delle_immagini - We note that Clara, in her own rules, insists on mentioning the author of the copied texts: https://tekkenpedia-ita.fandom.com/it/wiki/Regolamento She doesn't. Answering all this together: Clara0408, you should apply to yourself your own rules, and of course the Terms of Use and Fandom's licence. If Fan Art or Off Topic pictures have been taken, well I don't see the point of these being in there? All we can require for is to give proper credit, but... it's probably easier to delete them here, I don't see what purpose they could have honestly. So I'd ask Clara0408 to delete these images if they are really some of them, especially if these are never used in any content page. But of course, this takes time to refer any image not respecting the CC BY-SA terms; and we wouldn't be against a list of these images, so it's easier to delete these.

- We draw your attention to the fact that a translation must be offered to the author and not subject to it. Here, we didn't ask Clara for anything, especially a translation made by Google Translate. From our point of view, the Italian public playing Tekken deserves better. I get the idea and would agree in a perfect world, but in practice, any wiki in other languages can be created at any time and start translating content if they follow the licence policy of Fandom. It's true that you didn't ask Clara; but also, I think you should try to collaborate on the longer run, even if you disagree so much, as it would be ideal to find a way to merge all Italian wikis about Tekken. But this is not the question and we're far from it, it's just a broader perspective.

Some steps to show our opposition to Clara: - We want to get closer to the Arbiteras wikia, which the links under the articles link to his. - We are going to create a banner with all the wikias on tekken, excluding Clara's site. We will tell our Italian friends about Tekken about this one. - We will advertise the Arbiteras wiki via all social networks. - We will help Arbiteras if they wish, so that users of Italian wikia have the right to quality content as it has already started to do. - We reserve the right to create a third Italian wikia to do better and with our materials. You are absolutely free to do any of this, but I'd never encourage to have three wikis in the same language on the same topic. As long as there are two of them, you can choose which one you want to work with.

- Since Clara also uses our many youtube videos, we reserve the right to delete them. This one is a bit tricky; why does this matter really? A YouTube File on Fandom is basically a link, so it provides a proper attribution in itself. It also brings you views and promotes your wiki or your work, at least indirectly. I'm not sure what the issue is, but here you cannot delete them by yourself as you're not admin of Tekkenpedia-ita and it would surely be considered by Clara as Vandalism; so you can't "reserve that right". Is there anything specific you would want on videos to have better credits?

For other things, it seems there is something you can agree on: you all want to build the best Italian wiki for Tekken. For now, the situation is that you have two different wikis, which is not ideal. For sure, the Italian wiki should be able to use French content that can be translated in a good way, and that follows Fandom's Term of Use. So I'd say it's mostly up to Clara now: the wiki should always give proper credit to any French content translated or reused. If you need our help for this, because you may be unfamiliar with bots, Helpers are here. My will is to make sure the French and Italian Tekken Wikis can a peaceful relationships on Fandom; and I hope this message will be able to resolve most of the conflict.

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