Thread:Sannse/@comment-970089-20141122213554/@comment-970089-20141123202912

"Please stop trying to force your near-monopolized conformities onto me."

I have no idea what you are talking about.

"So when you say that you searched the entire Internet, on all 200+ images that I uploaded, in the manner of hours/days, using Google, I cannot really take you seriously."

And when you say that you got all your images from a PD source, when the worlds Number 1 search engine cannot locate a PD source for them is not credible. Any PD imagebank, prominent blog, or other site you could be expected to find, would work to be listed by google. The chances of you stumbling amongst a number of PD sites that arent google listed are low. In any case, the location on Google of those images on non PD sites indicates that even if you did find them on a PD site, they were there illegaly and not public domain after all. This leads us to the conclusion that either you included images that you should have known were copyright from the source, or have failed to do proper due dilligence.

Neither outcome does changes the result that the images are not public domain, and thus it falls to you to prove that they are.

"You said, after the conversations we had before this one ever started, that I am "...permenently denying the the content owner the full use and control of their property without their consent." You cannot deny this"

Of course I dont deny it, because that is exactly what a false claim of public domain does. It permenently denies the content owner the right to have full use and control over their work. Others build upon that false claim and take it themselves.

"never once said that what I was doing was wrong, and that the wrong-doings of others justified what I was doing."

Except when you attempted to justify it by what others were doing, by talking about avatar images.

"ou completely missed the point with that one. The point is that you are holding me to unrealistic standards, while the wiki and its users go about regularly disrespecting their right to cover a game that is not their own"

I do not believe it is an unrealistic standard that we give the othe opportunity to correct the record rather than take immediate action, which we did. Whether or not you choose to take that opportunity is up to you. No action that has been taken is irrevokable.

"I see that you did not address my question as to why you have a modified image of a copyrighted work on your user-page."

Rather than get into the detail about copyright being infringed only if it is a significant part of the work, I would instead refer you back to your own statement about how you are not using others actions to justify yout own.

"Even if permission is not needed, credit should always be given when it can be"

As a matter of good practice, i agree with you. However, unless we are talking about CC-BY-SA images (and we are not - you asserted "Public Domain" not "Creative Commons License"), any question of credit is not relevant to this discussion.

"Circumstances have removed my chance to provide the dozens upon dozens of sources that you are wanting. Many of my images have been admitted to not being available using your allegedly 100% fool-proof method of Google reverse-searching, which actually doesprovide a bit of proof as to my claims. Just because I cannot provide sources the moment you demand them, does not mean that I am magically an art-thief that deserves scorn and disrespect."

I'm not calling you an art thief. I am saying that those images appear to be infringements of copyright. If you are asserting that copyright does not apply (as it does by default to all created works, as per the Berne convention), then it is up to you - and noone else - to prove that assertion. Good faith ended at the point where we couldnt be willfully blind.

"The going behind my back is not a problem, as I would have done the same thing in a similar circumstance with any other user. But you have a real problem with blind-sighting people, by not giving the common courtesy of linking to/relaying important discussions about them."

Leon, I'm not twisting your words. You have a history of twisting other peoples statements to the point of misreprenentation. YOU had already engaged in conversation, by your own admission, to Sannse, without our input, and we can presume that you've given your side of the story.

This is not intended to be a discussion, but a Heads Up to the one of the people responsible for content here as to the issues regarding a request you say you already made. I have no other form of contact with Sannse.

"Your side" was made (and could be continued to be made) by whatever form of contact you've had in the past. Whatever Sannse, or any other member of the CC Administration team does with this information is a matter for them.

"I actually want to make this clear: you are blatantly misrepresenting me, by twisting my words around to benefit your side of the story."

I am doing no such thing. I am merely saying:

1. That you uploaded images to the Nukapedia Wiki

2. That you asserted that they were Public Domain

3. That this assertion did not stand up in the light of day. Evidence was presented that they are NOT public domain

4. You were given an opportunty to correct this. You did not.

5. That you then told us you'd go over our heads and post the potentially infinging images here instead.

"I have not done the same to you, and I expect for the favour to be returned in any future responses"

Leon, That is a lie.

" stop trying to force your near-monopolized conformities onto me" ; "To be perfectly frank, I am already growing tired of you and Jasper making transparent accusations, with no evidence to back them up" ; " You are trying to make me out like a bad-guy here" ; "So please stop with the sanctimony."; "In return, I have been hit with unfounded allegations, exaggerations which have been proven wrong (on Nukapedia), threats, outright sanctimony, and simple disrespect ; "There is no bad faith. Just because you are prettying up your words, does not mean that your transparency has gone unnoticed. The adolescents that make up a large portion of Nukapedia's regulars might fall for it, but I am perfectly capable of understanding when someone is suggesting something, or if they are outright accusing me of something using sub-text" ; I could go on.

My claims against your actions, no matter what you say have been purely factual and non accusatory.


 * You did upload images to the wiki.


 * You did assert them to be PD.


 * They are not PD.


 * You were asked to prove that the suspect images were PD.  You did not, but claimed we had some "issue" with PD
 * We then removed them, an action that can be undone should you be able to prove the provinance of such images, or license them correctly.


 * You then told us you'd gotted permission from CC to upload them there.


 * You then claim persecution when I advise someone of CC of the full story as to why they have been removed.

No more "But"-ery. No more accusations or insults please.

This isn't a discussion, or a debate, or a petition; its a heads up to a fellow administrator about an issue with a request that you say you already made to them, and explaining why we did what we did that brought you to their door. We're not requesting any action.