User talk:Sannse

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Problems
sannse - I was in the livechat. I could see what others said, but when I entered text, it did not seem to appear. Since reverting that last set of vandalism, my Wikia skin is messed up. I wanted to report that, and find out if it was more general. But, since I couldn't "say" anything... :-( --CocoaZen 21:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi CocoaZen, I could see you in the channel, and see you type "test", but then you lost connection. On the skin, I've not seen that at all - what is it you are seeing? Can you try 1. resetting your skin in your preferences, 2. logging out and back in. 3. do a hard refresh on your browser (usually Ctrl F5). If this doesn't work, maybe you can upload a screen-shot so I can see more? -- sannse (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear others aren't having the problems. (I use the default skin.)  Will try the various resets you recommended.
 * I couldn't even see the word "test" in the chat, but I could see other people's input. Sigh... probably has to do with the firewalls around here.
 * Thanks! --CocoaZen 21:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Thanks rose.png]]
 * Changing the skin works for now. MonoBook (default) is the only one that seems to have been (temporarily) clobbered.  Symptoms are much larger text; ads at the top of the page; links that usually appear at the very top of the page (my user page, talk, preferences, etc.) are behind the logo.  It's weird, but I think I can handle it.  Thanks again.
 * And thank you for letting me know that the list was intentional. Coming right on the heels of the vandal and an advertiser, I over-reacted.  I appreciate the clarification and the understanding.  --CocoaZen 21:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem! and thanks for the rose :) -- sannse (talk) 21:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Darth Vacatour/Senior Porcupine
On the SWFanon Wiki, can you check if their IPs are the same? Senior Porcupine just signed as DV. Bub 22:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sansse please I beg you to unban me at swfanon i know it was wrong but i dindt know then. Im really sorry please i wont do it again please just give me a chance i beg you. - DV


 * replies at Swfanon -- sannse (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you should know about this.
Today, a user with the name of Darth Vacatour vandalized Wikipedia, as well as a user called Zotoros Infinite (his original SWFanon name) Also, a few minutes later, an "ISV" vandal named BobbyBoulders22 vandalized on Wikipedia. Could you check into this? Bub 00:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to use IRC, so I'll contact you this way. There are two vandals on SW Fanon that are uploading obscene images, and I am far too sick to go on the pages and revert them. I don't know if you left already or not, but I'll try to get to other admins. C3PO the Dragon Slayer 16:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for the reverts. I've not gone yet (been packing today) I'm leaving tomorrow, but other staff will be around.  I should have connection once I get to the conference, so I won't be totally out of touch -- sannse (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Never mind about that other message, now Darth Vacatour is claiming to be Jimbo Kennedy, that annoying vandal that attacked all those random wikis. Bub 19:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, saw that, thanks Bub -- sannse (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Multi-language visit template
I have created two versions of the language visit template you requested one of them uses the front part of the actual URL to create the list the other uses the interwiki link. The interwiki link version is the current one, but if you think the external link version is better just revert it to the version in the link above. Also does it need anything changing in the style? Lcarsdata (Talk) 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Merging into World
Lisa, A couple of weeks ago you asked me to create Silicon Valley as the first wikia on local.wikia. Gil & others are now talking about merging all place-based wikia into the new world.wikia. Would you please share your thoughts in the Forum? Thanks; Leo LJR 12:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Leo, I'm in Boston at the moment with Gil and a lot of the other Wikia staff. We are talking about this right at the moment.  I think everyone agrees (here and on the forum) that it's going to be a good idea to merge some of the current wikia - there is just too much duplication.  It seems that where the ideas for Local and Cities are going that those two really are too close.  But the ideas you have don't quite fit into Cities.  So it looks like we are back to idea 1, a wiki specifically for Silicon Valley organizations.  I think using just the name "Sillicon Valley" makes it sound as though it's about all aspects of the area, so how about "Sillicon Valley Groups" with the URL siliconvalleygroups? Or any other ideas?  Sorry to chop and change like this, it's such a work in progress, and ideas keep moving!  So let me know what you think -- sannse (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Lisa - I understand about the chopping & changing, part of the process. There are a couple of groups that show up when I search for "Silicon Valley Groups". Originally, I thought of "Silicon Valley Communities" or "Silicon Valley Commons" but did not ask for these urls because they're too long. My preference would be "Silicon Valley Commons" with siliconvalley.wikia.com as the url, if I can talk you into that. Leo (talk) 01:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Lisa, I know you're busy at Wikimania, just need to know when more or less the decision will be made. If it will take some time, should I keep developing my site? Would I have to re-edit each page to make the move? Thanks; Leo|Talk 13:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Leo, we can move pages no problem with the export import system. But it's a bit tricky to do that on this computer (tiny buttons!) So I'll make the wiki now, and then help transfer pages when I get back to England and onto my usual computer. -- sannse (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lisa, have a safe trip back home. Leo|Talk 14:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Leo - Sannse asked me to let you know that she didn't have a chance to create the Wikia yet, but will when she gets back. --CocoaZen 18:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know Leo|Talk 21:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hullo Lisa - Are we there yet? :) Leo|Talk 01:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We are! I've sent you the standard mail with all the details, and will look at moving the content now.  I'm sorry it's all taken so long. -- sannse (talk) 09:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, that's the content all moved in. And I've also added a load of help and other pages from the starter wiki.  This is something of an experimental package for new wikia, so please let me know if it's helpful or not!  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 10:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Lisa! Should I insert the Delete Template into each of the old WikiLocal pages, or will they just vanish voluntarily? Looks like I have to correct some errors I made in the pages & templates I'd created, but will test the new tools as soon as I can, and will give you feedback. Leo|Talk 12:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just noticed that my watched pages got unwatched during the move. Is there a way as an Admin to automatically mark all old & new pages in my wiki as watched? Found no reference to that in the Help pages. Thanks again; Leo|Talk 13:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll clear out the old pages on Local, the whole site will be redirected soon anyway, so any left will go then. The best way to watch all pages is to use w:c:siliconvalley:Special:Recentchanges recent changes.  This lists all changes to all pages, so gives you the same information as the watchlist.  The only thing it doesn't currently do is mail you on changes.  You can automatically watch all pages you edit (see preferences) but not all new pages or all existing pages. -- sannse (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Lisa; all very good to know. Leo|Talk 02:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Forum request
I found this page, and it said to ask you for assistance, so here I am... Well, I'm an editor on the RuneScape Wiki, and I was wondering if you could set up the forum on the wiki. We already have the namespace, it's just the setup of the actual forums we need done. Thanks! Oddlyokotalk 00:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sannse is away at wikimania so might be a bit busy. I'll see what I can do. --Splarka (talk) 10:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Splarka -- sannse (talk) 19:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Navigate_list_of_health_interests_for_Ermeyers
Hi Lisa,

Help! I created this Health Interests navigation template which I'm trying to get located correctly, so that I can access it across the various Health related Wikia communities. Is this possible? If not, it should be.

If it is possible, and I can get it there, then what is the correct interwiki link, and how do I get to it later to edit it? Thanks. Eric (I'm watching here) --Ermeyers 12:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind I got it working using. --Ermeyers 13:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You should use wikia rather than wikicities really, but I think both work. Let me know if you have more problems -- sannse (talk) 19:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * wikia doesn't appear to work, and that's is why I used wikicities instead, because wikicities worked. --Ermeyers 18:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sannse - I've encountered this problem too. Unfortunately, I can't remember the details right now (will try to test later), but sometimes wikia: doesn't work where wikicities: still does.  (Capitalization is relevant too.)
 * Hope you had a good trip back home. --CocoaZen 18:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha, that seems to be the key to this bug. It certainly used to work with "wikia:", but for some reason it's reverted to the old style.  I've added that to the bug report and mailed the staff.  I'm hoping this information will make it a lot easier to find and fix the problem.
 * The trip back was fine thanks, but boy was I tired! I slept all day yesterday and then all night too.  Hope yours was good too.  It was fantastic meeting you and the others -- sannse (talk) 10:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

About Basspedia and Szoferka
Hi!

I'm glad you wrote to me

''From what I hear, you have had a dispute with Szoferka on the

Polish Uncyclopedia''

Case is not that simple. Szoferka is the one that mixes diffrent

wikias affairs. She said, that she is "powerfull enought to send

basspedia up with smoke". I dont want to life in stress, awared

that I can loose it anytime.

I guest Szoferka didn't tell you that since July 24 there is an

alternative for polish Uncyclopedia (in polish - Nonsensopedia but

for a long time Szoferkopedia), this called

[http://www.wikihumor.ovh.org/wiki/index.php?title=Strona_g%C5%82%C

3%B3wna Wikihumor] and, according to founders word, the only reason

that this site has been created is Szoferka. After few days we got

20 users and most of them are refugees from nonsensopedia. One of

former nonsensopedias sysops wrote exhaustive specification of

Szoferkas conducts like bringing censorship (every attempt of

criticism, even these merits she calles vandalism or personal

atack - she reverts changes and bans those who dares to criticise

her (Nemo iudex in sua causa means nothin to her). There was a

"fight" about article nonsensopedia on polish wikipedia -

Szoferka isnt sysop there, so she couldnt baned her oponents - on

merits criticism she wrote ziew witch means to yawn, later

in discusion, wenn every other person said that Szoferka is

arrogant and she is, like we call it in Poland, like wall (we said,

that "conversation with you is like I talk to the wall) and that

they would never come to nonsensopedia she wrote, that she is glad,

that everyone here who criticised her is a internet troll

(including wikipedia distinguish sysops))). We are still

translating this document to englsh, so you will be able to

acquaint with whole case.

Whats about me -well, here are my contributions - Szoferka called me biggest vandal and troll on nonsensopedia. Korwin


 * OK, thanks Korwin. I need to look at all this, but it's certainly not true that anyone can get the bass wikia shut down.  There is no problem with your work there and no reason to deelte the content.  I'm back at my own computer on Monday and will look more. -- sannse (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Power Cord
I've got your PC power cord. I'll try to stay in the live chat until we figure out a way to get it back to you. --CocoaZen 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks CocoaZen! got it now. -- sannse (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

More Star Wars Fanon Vandals...
Well, the trolls are back. Sorry to waste your time, or give you any fellings of exaspiration, but there is this vandal on Star Wars Fanon that wrote "This page has been freed by the Holy Druid" on a bunch of articles. Looking at edit histories, there are other recent vandals, but I haven't checked whether they were blocked. All of us at Star Wars Fanon, and even several Wookiepedians, are getting a bit tired reverting all of that. C3PO the Dragon Slayer 13:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Health wikia subpaging
Hi Lisa,

I'm currently working in the Health Wiki at w:c:Health, and I'm trying to get w:c:Health:Neurological disorders/BFS to have a subpage uplink to the higher level w:c:Health:Neurological disorders at the very top of the subpage. I've tried various name prefixes, but I just can't seem to find the correct naming to get it show up like I want it to.


 * I first tried moving w:c:Health:Neurological disorders and w:c:Health:Neurological disorders/BFS to w:c:Health:Illness:Neurological disorders and w:c:Health:Illness:Neurological disorders/BFS, and that didn't fix it.


 * I then moved w:c:Health:Illness:Neurological disorders and w:c:Health:Illness:Neurological disorders/BFS to w:c:Health:Health:Neurological disorders and w:c:Health:Health:Neurological disorders/BFS, and that didn't fix it.

What do I need to do to get the w:c:Health:Neurological disorders/BFS subpage to actually show that it is a subpage of w:c:Health:Neurological disorders by having a standard uplink to the higher level page at the top of the subpage? Thanks, Eric. (I'm watching here) --Ermeyers 18:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, what do I need to do to get a page speedily deleted in the Health Wiki? I've been using to no avail. Thanks, Eric. (I'm still watching here) --Ermeyers 00:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Subpages are only turned on by default in the user: space, but we can turn them on for other namespaces if that's what you would like for the Health Wikia. On Wikipedia we made a decision not to use them for articles, but that doesn't mean all wikis have to follow that pattern.
 * I'll have a look at pages for deletion and clean up any you have tagged, but I'll also look at admining - the founder(s) don't seem to have ever edited so new admins are needed. -- sannse (talk) 10:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lisa, I'll talk with Kirk about the subpaging, and get back to you on that. --Ermeyers 13:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Setting up forums on the Health wiki
I've done most of the stuff for getting forums working on Health. Given the direction that Eric seems to be heading, I'm thinking that it might be a good idea. However, not having admin access, I can't do the mediawiki aspects of setting it up. For that matter, it might be nice if I could have admin access, plus I think Eric might be a good candidate for admin as well. --Kirk 00:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added the last bits to the forum, that should work now. Yes, admins are needed there, I'll look into this a little later today. -- sannse (talk) 11:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done so, and added you both as admins. Let me know when more are needed -- sannse (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks --Kirk 17:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Mentoring
Hey, Sannse! It was great meeting you this weekend -- I'm really happy that I know everybody now.

I did some work tonight on the Wikia Mentoring Project page -- please take a look, and help me fix it up. I looked at the list of new Wikia, and I think we may need to do a little more to help mentors find a wiki that they can help with. Is it possible to see the descriptions and founders' names? I would feel more comfortable as a mentor if I walked into a new wiki and already knew who to talk to. What do you think? -- Danny (talk ) 03:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It was great to meet you too Danny :)
 * There is an info link on each of the new wikis on the list you've linked to, that leads to the description page, which gives the founder's name and a description of the wiki. It would be good to have that somewhere more directly, but I'm reluctant to add yet another step to the edits we have to do to set up a new wiki.  I've been wondering if we can do it with templates or something, but can't see a way at the moment.  Maybe the link will do for now, and we can think of another idea later?  Does that sound OK? -- sannse (talk) 11:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * D'oh! You're right, of course -- I completely forgot about the fact that the link goes to a description page. All I looked at was the list. No, that's absolutely fine -- I'll change the Mentoring page in a bit to describe that better. Sorry, user error. :) -- Danny (talk ) 11:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Soap wikis?
Hi Sannse: You mentioned the other day that there were a couple of Wikia based on soap operas. I looked on the list, and I can't spot them... Do you know which ones they are? I'd like to check them out. -- Danny (talk ) 17:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The two I'd describe that way are Dark Shadows and The O.C.. Looking at the list, there are less than I expected though. -- sannse (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. I saw those, but I thought you meant there were also some daytime soaps. I'm probably going to send in a request for a One Life to Live wiki. Might as well just go ahead and hand my life over to Wikia... -- Danny (talk ) 18:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh! What about one for all daytime soaps?  That would be a nice wide topic that could build up over some time... you'll never be reduced to writing about the second green guy on the left again ;) -- sannse (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but I like that second green guy on the left. I think getting deep into one thing is what Wikia is all about. Let the other soaps have their own wikis. -- Danny (talk ) 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * *g* I would have loved to have this discussion in person - what's best? a narrow subject that quickly gets into detail but may run out of topics in time? or a wider subject that lacks content for longer but always has more subjects to edit?  I tend towards the latter, but some of the most successful wikis have gone for the former.  But either way, you pretty much have a free pass for any wiki you want to start, having shown what you can do already.  So just let me know what you want to try for your next project when you are ready, and I'll set it up -- sannse (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a good question. I would tend towards going narrow, just because it's possible to get into more depth. Any subject has potentially infinite amounts of detail if you look at it hard enough. But I can see it either way. We could easily have applied for a separate wiki just for Sesame Street, but instead we put all the Muppet stuff together, so we get to make all the connections between the shows. Anyway, I'm just gonna apply for OLTL because I don't care about the other shows. Whenever somebody comes along to do the other soaps, I'll wave at them and be supportive. -- Danny  (talk ) 22:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, sounds good. Feel free to give me a nudge when you've done the request.  There's quite a backlog after the conference, but I can fast track that one as I already know it's accepted - I just need to pull it out of the list -- sannse (talk) 22:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's done. And may the good Lord have mercy on my soul. -- Danny (talk ) 22:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * And it's made - have fun! -- sannse (talk) 23:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Permissions
Sannse - Could you please give Kirk administrative (or bureaucratic) rights in the Judaism Wikia. He's been reverting vandalism, and it would be helpful if he could also do things like delete pages. (You can give me bureaucratic rights too, if you want, but I'm ok without.) --CocoaZen 23:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Done on both. Something else that wiki needs is a new logo!  I might have a go at that when I finish work-stuff today -- sannse (talk) 08:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, please, your help creating a new logo for there and for Cities would be greatly appreciated. I created those as temporary logos to help make it easier to navigate, but would be happy to see them replaced.  Maybe as well as the Wikia Mentoring Project it would be nice to have a place where those of us who are "graphics challenged" could go to request help.  :-)  --CocoaZen 14:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

CollinWiki
Hi Lisa -- CollinWiki looks kind of abandoned to me. Of the two main contributors, Doug (the founder) hasn't really been working on it since April, and Brian left around February.

I think there's a few obvious reasons why the wiki failed -- it's all black, which is terribly difficult to read and focus on, plus the explanation for how contributors can help is impossibly complicated. Plus they never said hi to anybody.

Would it be possible to give me adminship on that, so I could fix it up a bit and maybe make it a little more contributor-friendly? -- Danny (talk ) 17:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, if you think you have time for another project. I've added you there - have fun :) -- sannse (talk) 18:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I'm not doing much -- I just want to make it not black anymore. I can't stand looking at it! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

me podrias ayudar
vea la idea es que me respondas tu desde tu  punto de  vista, esta pregunta que de a seguro no me responderan el alguien al que se la mande:

QUIERO SABER: todos los "puntos  de vista neutrales" ¿tienen que ser  identicos que  el de la  wikipedia?

¿que norma internacionala supedita a que  una enciclopedia sea  o totalmente seria o totalmente   humoristica  o totalmente mierda? ¿porque una  enciclopedia no puede  tener chispa sin ser necesariamente  humoristica, ni mierda? ¿porque no se puede basar   en este  hecho categoristico? : http://www.wikiindex.com/Category:Encyclopedia_of_general_interest

Así nos categorizamos nosotros, y hablar de un tema  no es una invitación o incitación, es  nuestra norma  asi como la de    http://inciclopedia.wikia.org  es la irrreverencia total, y la de http://hablarmierda.net/wiki/index.php?title=Portada es la  basofia total.

entonces al fundar nosotros una enciclopedia   aparte, le creamos un ´punto de vista neutral que difiere del vuestro, y nuestras normas   se plantearon desde un  inicio como  diferentes, no se ademas como es que  no se permite la libertad de expresión en  un espacio  web  ni aun siendo uno el que está pagando el site.

¿o wikimedia ó mediawiki me financiaron algo? a mi no me contaron nada de eso, es mas estuve en un sitio alojado donde   por ignorancia no saben que  cosa es un   1 giga  jejejejeje  dicen que es   100 megas  jua jua jua jua jua, poreso  estaba angustiado de  no tener espacio casi.

en fin me imagino que te burlaras y  saltaras en una pata de  saber este  hecho verdad. pero no importa queria decirle esto a alguien.

lo otro es que se aclaro que  asi como en la  wiki  española se  rendia   honor a la norma   española nosotros como   wiki  nacida en colombia teniamos derecho a exhibir  una libertad de expresión propia de nuestro medio.

se nota que ante de demandarnos no tomaron  en cuenta todos los paragrafos que nos difereniaban y no entendieron que  tambien podiamos entender como chispa  la ironia  y el doble sentido.

pero en fin eso es tiempo pasado.

solo quiero saber, ¿si la vuelvo a montar ustedes nos van a seguir tumbando? o van  a respetar  nuestras normas y dejar de  hablar en nuestra contra en   su nabble.

dime como actuar al respecto? que estilo de norma puedo usar para mi wiki? (distinta a esta) y  es posible crear una licencia? asi como existe la  gdfl  y la  cc   y otras tantas ¿para mi wiki puedo crear  una? ¿como le hago? a que acudo? o a quien?.

como apelar?

responder a: info@hekeisda.zzn.com

--201.228.45.30 12:39 13 ago 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello, I'm afraid I don't speak or understand Spanish, so it's difficult for me to follow what you are saying. But I think you are complaining about your wikia request being rejected.  You asked for a Spanish Encyclopedia with a light, humourous tone.  This seems to me to be too close to the Spanish Wikipedia, and we have a policy of not creating projects that duplicate Wikimedia's.  I'm sorry if you are unhappy with this decision, but it's not one I can change unless I have misunderstood the request.  If you would prefer to mail me about this, I can be reached at community@wikia.com -- sannse (talk) 20:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again.
Hi Lisa, Guybrush from the White Wolf Wikia here. At the risk of getting repetitive, I just wanted to thank you again for undoing the mass vandalism we experienced tonight. All the best with everything. -- Guybrush 13:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem :) -- sannse (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Logos
Sannse - The logos are GREAT! They don't all meet the 10 foot guideline, but I'd like to use the one you created for Cities. I don't see a way to move an image page. Do I need to download it and re-up-load it as wiki.png? I lose the history that way, but we still have the original image page, so I guess that's ok. (Please let me know if there's a better way to do it.) Would you be willing to create a favicon too? Thanks! --CocoaZen 01:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Christian Community Meeting Please
Hi Lisa, I just checked into the Christianity Wikia, as w:c:Christianity:User:Ermeyers, and I left a message for the founder Nsandwich, who I later found out left Wikia to go somewhere else because of some Google issue, and now it appears that these want-to-be people are completely messing up my personal religion's message. All that I'm asking of you is to come over to my talk page at w:c:Christianity:User_talk:Ermeyers and give me your highly respected two-cent personal summary of what the heck is going on with these people. Thanks very much, Eric. --Ermeyers 00:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)