Thread:Tycio/@comment-4844208-20190107011351/@comment-14250-20190128194510

GMB this is not an accusation, I simply summarized that I was assuming good faith, but am no longer doing so.


 * what's been sinking it is the borderline nonexistent quality control

That has certainly BLOATED it, and I agree it is a problem. If for example I can figure out how to archive the files on it, it's going to take up a lot more room for not having deleted the bloat.

A lot of that has to do with people posting every.single.frame of certain scenes which is kind of excessive. I never used to do that even back when I used to fastidiously screencap anime.


 * fake characters that are nothing more than shitty recolors

I am open to deleting stuff like that if it's pointed out. I do want to make sure to not delete an article until all the files displayed on it are deleted first though. Articles are cheap and text-based and the greater concern is the bloat in filesize from undeleted files polluting an archive.

One problem I face here is that I do want to be open to including self-published works like webcomics or doujin, so while I do want to exclude garbage OCs, I need to find a fair way to write policy guidelines for doing so that doesn't depend on my individual aesthetics.

I'm sure there's a lot of pages you and I would both love to see go, but I just want to find a neutral way to exclude them which doesn't seem like I'm personally discriminating against stuff I dislike. For example: perhaps a franchise should have a minimum number of printings or chapters to be considered notable enough for a page? What number would you pick?


 * characters with no physical human qualities

I think that depends on what you define as a human quality. The word 'foot' does not imply anything human. I am open to the possibility of forking into sub-projects (e.g. "anime human feet" for 100% humans, including the exclusion of Kryptonians, elves, etc even if they look identical, "anime hooves" for all the ponies/centaurs, "anime paws" for most of the furries,) but I believe that should include longer-term discussions, and no articles should be deleted.

I want to maintain the edit history of articles, so if we exported the files to a fork, I would prefer to simply overwrite the gallery coding on a page with a link to the forked page. "Special:Export" and "Special:Import" should also be used to maintain the page history of contributors so that credit is properly retained and we don't miss anything.

Disputes about the quality of fanart are why they always go either at the bottom or a sub-page, so as not to distract from canon. I'm hesitant to censor artwork simply because some artists are more talented than others, it seems like a slippery slope.

Rather than utterly censor them, one compromise could be to make the thumbnails for bad art smaller, and delegate it to the bottom. I just imagine disputes between people about what art belongs up top, which is why I always just alphabetized it by artist.

I am aware you want Fandom to kill the project. Certainly prior to "this point", since you nominated it for deletion a month ago while you were still a moderator and before I returned and blocked you.

You did this instead of deleting the fanart and similar that you were complaining about, so it seems you already gave up on it before my return.

The Wikia>Fandom transition has been resulting in a lot of project death. This already happened to AnimeBaths, for example, and it didn't suffer any of the issues you've complained about. WM ran a tight ship and had much higher standards for inclusion than I did. Would only allow manga which had been physically published on paper, for example.

A big reason I was very inclusive was that Wikia didn't have any data caps. Our hard drives and places like mega.nz certainly do though, so I am now being attracted to the merits of culling mass quantities of files to cut down on the bloat, to prepare for file backup. Files are more important to delete than pages though, so I wouldn't want a page nominated for deletion until all of its files were nominated first. Pages take up very little space (just text source code) compared to the files.

In the case of fanart, when it already exists on an external host (like deviantart) I can see merit in deleting it (or perhaps over-writing it with a scaled-down version that is much smaller, to take up less space) and just linking to the source page for people to visit if they want to see the original at max size.

As for screenshots, for these "every single frame" batches, I can see reducing those too.

I think we could have co-operated well in regard to this. I wish you had left up some contact info or contacted me during my block and discussed what you were doing. Forking furries is an okay idea, but it was just done in too much of a rush, and without active engagement in backing up the content properly prior to deleting it, as well as without achieving community consensus.

I think you would have found consensus and co-operation more forthcoming if we had approached it as a fork rather than a cull. A split between hooves/paws (semantic subtopics of "foot") is also more natural than "furries" which is vague and sounds like it's talking about even a girl who merely has cat ears but who has an otherwise humanoid body.

Certain characters would also be in a gray area of "is this paw-ish enough to be considered a paw?" where they might merely have long nails, like https://animefeet.fandom.com/wiki/File:Catra_11.png but are still probably more human-ish than feline-ish. Those are areas I would leave until the end (I see you rushed to delete Wilykit immediately, bad form) and focus on more obvious fork-worthy examples like https://animefeet.fandom.com/wiki/Simba which should be the priority.

What I would've liked to do, is to create a new template (similar to delete, move or merge) called "fork" or "export" where people can nominate pages they think should be exported to a fork, and then a 2nd party (mod on both) can enact the Special:Export if they agree with it, or delay consideration for gray cases.

You can't easily do stuff like that if there's a rush to delete pages. There was no time limit to doing that.

Given that the fork others created "anime furry feet" got deleted, forking is not a present priority until I can ascertain content will have a safe home. The greater priority is archiving the content in case staff do decide to end the project.

Do you know any way of calculating the sum of file sizes to know the storage requirements? If they exceed what is feasible for me, this will motivate me to begin permitting purges of mirror-linked fanart, excessive multiframes, or characters who are on the bottom rungs of notability (ie 'fake' as you put it, kind of a misnomer since ALL characters are fake)