Forum:Discussion on working together

Local Projects
We have four seperate local projects going at the same time. Cities, Travel and Local, and Tourism. We also have over 100 cities started as seperate wikis like SanFrancisco and Calgary. I think it would be great if we could all find a way to work together and put as much of this into one wikia as possible. I'm looking for ideas or suggestions on how to do this?  --Gil 04:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The main problem - I think - is that after all we still are a very small group.
And to "fill" Wikia up with knowledge, we would need some knowledge ourselfes, and I am sorry to admit, but without more users there is not much to do, is it ? But an idea to solve our problem would be to form groups, which individually handle a topic... --Jan Gregor Triebel 13:08, 24 July 2006 (GMT+1)

Sustainable Community Action
very much concerned with local stuff (about sustainability) and so also interested in ways to work together better. Philralph 17:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the problem is the size of the group, but that we are spreading ourselves out by multiple Wikia covering the same information.
This results in either too much redundant work (sort of silly when using hypertext) or gaping holes. Each of these "place" (Cities, Local, Travel, Tourism) Wikias has a similar structure developing: pages for cities with regional categories, and sub-pages for things like transport, history, attractions, restaurants. Travel probably wouldn't cover school systems, but local and cities do. So rather than create the page for the T in Boston (the local train system) in at least three different Wikia, we could pool our efforts. One option would be to decide that restaurant information goes into the Local Wikia. Then Tourism, Travel and Cities would link to the Local pages. Another option would be to merge the place Wikia. (Gil suggested the name World.) We could also merge in the individual cities that have not been able to generate much traffic on their own. I think Sustainable Community Action is different enough to stay separate either way, but we could certainly increase the cross Wikia links. --CocoaZen 21:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Why do it? Identifying & preventing redundancies. Improving linkage.
If we are to merge the local projects into one wikia, I think we ought to first make the case for why that's a good idea. What are the benefits? What are the disadvantages? What will it mean to editors, readers, and to Wikia?


 * Identifying redundancies might be a good place to start. Start with a major example of duplicate wikias, and show how merging them will make sense. Create a central list of Wikia that appear to be redundant, and which may benefit from closer collaboration among their editors. Notify the editors that their wikis have been added to the list.


 * Preventing redundancies. There ought to be a way to flag an editor when a page she’s trying to create already exists in Wikia. For example, the inputbox in Silicon Valley yields an error message when I try to create a page that already exists in WikiLocal. It would be good if in addition to that I could see a list of existing pages in other Wikia, followed by suggestions on how to deal with the situation (e.g. “you might want to link to this Wiki instead of creating another one”).


 * Shared categories. We might improve linkage if we had meta-categories shared by all Wikia. Currently, when I create a category within one Wikia, I’m not flagged if that Category (or a similar one) already exists in other Wikia. It would also be good if I could add a page in one Wikia to a category in other Wikias (there may already be a way to do that, and maybe I just didn't undertand the Help file). Is Wikias the plural of Wikia, or is Wikia the plural of Wikium?

LJR 12:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Redundant Wikia
The more I look at what's there, the more I think that these 4 Wikia are redundant. It's not just an article that might be redundant, but the majority of the content. They are all intended to give information about multiple places. They all cover topics like how to get there, what to see or do when you are there, etc. Do you know which of the 4 has information about Boston? London? Poiria? Should you need to explore all 4 to find out? I can see a scenario developing where Travel and Cites both have information about how to get too and from Agra. Tourism and Travel both have articles on the Taj Mahal. Local, Travel and Cities all end up with restaurant articles for Agra. And no one with an interest in Agra writes an article on local transport once you get to Agra about how to get to the Taj Mahal. I'm not talking about isolated instances or things that apply to all Wikia (although your points about those may also be useful), but a specific case where we have several Wikia being set up that may have different uses (travel planning vs sharing favorite restaurants with neighbors) but where the content (in the example, restaurants) has such a serious overlap, that I think we need to do something about the way these specific Wikia interact. I suggest we either merge the 4 or come up with some conventions about which topics belong where. I don't really think keeping all 4 is feasible due to A different problem is what to do with all the 100 or so one-location Wikia. Some are totally inactive, while others are doing well. If someone wants to start a new one, should we suggest they use the 4 (travel, local, cities and tourism), one that is a merged combo? Or do we let/help them start a new one on just that place? Right now, we don't have too much redundant content (mostly just things like the category pages), so a merger would be feasible. The primary "downside" that I see is the work of actually combining the existing content. (By the way, I think Wikia is one of those words like grass or sheep, it is both the singular and plural form.) --CocoaZen 14:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * problems working cross 4 wiki all the time,
 * overhead of teaching the conventions (no, the article on the restaurant belongs in X, but the paragraph about the scenic attractions off the balcony belongs in Y)
 * critical mass

So what I hear is

 * We need a central directory of Continent, country, city, town
 * each page would ideally have a box for travel, box for local, box for info/history

Is that right?

--Gil 00:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That central directory is at cities:list. (It's over a year old.) Help us keep it comprehensive! Robin Patterson 01:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)