Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24623624-20140423183034/@comment-1267828-20140423220407

I am always amazed at people who get on wiki's and just assume their rights and allowances.

First of all, any and all information you place on a wiki immediately stops becoming your own once posted. All information on wiki's are owned by the Wikia foundation, and they operate under a Creative Common's license, basically meaning anyone and everyone can use their information. Additionally, there is no commandment list for wikia effectively stating an admin MUST allow you to delete or restore your own work, or that you get to run whatever you create. Once it's on Wikia, it's Wikia's, no longer yours

Secondly, there are lots of websites that allow for you to freely upload pictures for often no cost at all. You can upload with an account and then upload said content literally anywhere. This wiki, the Saints Row wiki, and no wiki has a requirement to allow you to play photo album with their wiki.

As Tupka217 said, you are not in charge here, and you are not in charge at the Saints Row wiki. The admins are. Admins make the rules, enforce them, and manage communities by doing so. I have never once had an issue with an admin at the Saints Row wiki for any edits I have ever made, and 452 is not abusing. The only thing that's being abused here is 452 and Tupka by your mouth.

Instead of whining like a brat not getting their way, calm down and READ what is being written. You are wrong about everything you have said.

I am just filing a complaint because I do not want this admin to touch my files again, as I was using them.

Too bad. 452 is commited to his wiki, not your problems with images on other sites. He makes the call for cleanup. You don't get to tell him no.

Yeah, no. I had that file there because I was going to use it soon for the PICTURE'S DESTONATION PAGE.

Nobody cares what you were going to use it for because you were not using it now. Some wiki's care about images clogging the photo's, some don't. Saints Row wiki is one that does, they don't care when you were going to use it, you weren't using it now.

No, it isn't. I was just about to use that picture for the Attarizone page on the Saints Row wiki until he deleted it.

Then put it on the Attarizone page. There is absolutely no good reason to upload an image and THEN add it to a page when you can both upload and add an image to a page with the photo button while editing.

'''I didn't have the time to use it, so I thought about doing it when I had the chance. '''

Then do it when you have the chance instead of acting like you're entitled

Stop being Mr. Smartass and take my word for it.]

How about you show some respect to Tupka, a veteran of these forums who knows what he's talking about. If you want to get personal, keep it off the forums, because these threads are permanent and everyone gets to see what you've written if ever a problem arises. You come to staff and demand an admin removal? Someone shows them this thread. They know you lose your temper. Boom. Over.

'''He can give me time to have the chance to use it. I have a life, too, right? He can't delete it on me.'''

Sure he can. You're not the freaking King of the World, nobody here owes you a single thing on this planet. Accounts on Wikia are entirely free, you deserve and are owed nothing by any user. I also like the hypocritical way you yell at 452 for deleting them because "you have a life", when you obviously don't care about his life, which is keeping the wiki running.

'''I'm allowed to. Once I feel it's not needed, I'm allowed to delete the messages.'''

Once again, like I said in the beginning: Once you place something on wikia, it is owned by Wikia and you have no rights legal or user that state you are allowed to. Admins hold the sole discretion about this factor altogether, and he can keep any and all comments from being removed if he wanted. They're not your comments the second you publish them.

And how the hell did you expect me to see that?

By actually paying attention to what you post. I'm flabbergasted you're angry at 452 and you don't even pay any attention to when you're posting files. Amazing.

'''Excuse me, but all websites have at least 1 rule: Allowing a user to delete what they made. This website broke that rule.'''

Show us this God given rule handed down between all nations and agreed upon as a cohesive and undeniable rule for all websites.

This rule does not exist. It never has. Once you post it online on a website you yourself do not own, you no longer have this right. Nobody, and I mean nobody, not a single being on this planet, MUST follow this rule. If you read the ToU like a good user, which you clearly did not, you would see this

'' You are solely responsible for the content, including but not limited to photos, profiles information, messages, search results edits, and other content that you upload, publish or display (hereinafter, "submit") on or through the Service, or transmit to or share with other users. You may not submit content to the Service that you did not create or that you do not have permission to submit. For submissions to search results pages, you may not submit content that is not compatible with the license used by the particular project of the Service. You understand and agree that others may, but are not obligated to, edit, delete or remove (without notice) any content from the Service, for any reason or no reason. You also represent and warrant that you own or have the necessary licenses, rights, releases, consents, and permissions to (a) permit the Company to copy, store, publish, display, and distribute your content via the Service, and (b) license all text submissions by you pursuant to the applicable Licensing terms (for further information, see   http://www.wikia.com/Licensing ). ''

''The Site is not and shall not function as an archive. We have no liability to you or any other person for loss, damage, or destruction to your content. You are solely responsible at your sole cost and expense for creating backup copies and replacing any content you post or store on the Service or provide to us.''

When you post content on the Site, you authorize and direct us to make such copies thereof as we deem necessary in order to facilitate the posting and storage of the content on the Site.

''If you edit or otherwise contribute to a wiki that uses the Creative Commons Attribution NonCommercial license (“CC BY-NC”), you agree that your contributions are made under the CC BY-NC license, subject to the waiver described at the end of this section (“Commercial Use Waiver”). Please note that your contributions are sharable and remixable under the CC BY-NC license, but cannot be used for commercial purposes by Wikia users.''

You own and control NOTHING you have written here. I would also like to point out the "shall not function as an archive" comment in the ToU. Your argument is now entirely invalid.

Next time, I suggest before you come on here and start screaming and flailing your arms angrily, you take several breaths and calm your mouth.

This forum likes treating everybody like trash, because that's the only thing this website has in it.

The only trash here is the unnecessary trash talking that you, and you alone, have been doing to Mr. 452, Sir Tupka217, and basically every individual you so callously insulted with this statement.

Instead of throwing a tantrum like this next time, I suggest you do this instead:

When I edited the Skyrim wiki and both my edits were deleted almost instantly, I was somewhat annoyed by that. I decided to leave a message asking said admin to meet me in the Skyrim chat and let me ask what was wrong with my edits. I reminded myself "Remember, do not take this personally. Admins have to sort and rollback junk edits or problems, and what I see as golden writing may be, to said admin, a junk edit made in good faith." I got on the chat and asked said admin why my edits were wrong. He explained them to me, I thanked him for his time and apologized once I understood why my edits were bad, he told me it was no problem, we bid farewell, the end.

As an admin on two wiki's, I would like to point out that admins are people to with their own jobs to do on wiki's that owe you (and you deserve) no special attention. Maybe if you had been polite about this, 452 would have allowed the images to be hosted, but instead you attack him, and then you attack Tupka. If we're all "trash", then go somewhere else. Nobody needs this kind of verbal abuse from an individual whom is clearly ignoring what everyone else says because ''he wants to be right for the sake of his own reasons and refuses to be wrong. ''

I normally wouldn't jump into discussions like this, but Tupka217, Fandyllic, Love Robin, and the many other veterans of these forums are intelligent, insightful individuals whom devote their own time to responding to, answering, and helping users, and they don't deserve this kind of talk from some random user on a wiki bringing his local problems onto a public forum. The people on Community Central: staff, forum members, admins, chat users, and everyone are all volunteer people here and do a good job. They are not trash, they are good people with the patience to devote their time to this site because they may like being here or believe in the forums or just enjoy helping people. I don't know, I'm not them, but I can say whatever the reason, I am grateful for their time and you should be instead of attacking them like a jerk.