Thread:Antvasima/@comment-25295648-20190513125439/@comment-25295648-20190514101216

Antvasima wrote: I don't remember. It was a long time since I read the story.

Anyway, we have had lost of discussions about the DC and Marvel Comics 4-B tiers, and decided that it is the highest that we could get without incorporating complete outliers, and even so, the characters are usually portrayed at a much lower scale. Okay, I am inclining to believe the shattered god speed feat is a massive outlier however;

-If at face value, the feat would be from the same story where Wonder Woman just defeated a universal being(?) and thus would already be an outlier of a fight

-Wonder Woman has no comparable feats of that scale. Her next best feat is catching the Flash who in the same story was expressed to have femto-pico second level reactions. Such feat would only be millions to trillions of times faster than light tops.

-Aside for the Flash (Who I concede Wonder Woman is portrayed as almost comparable to), no other JLA member has a comparable speed feat. Superman's best comparable feat is dodging the "reality blitzing missiles" which is a super vague wonky feat in Limbo from Final Crisis, which already one big outlier for Superman. The next best feat is from Our World at War where GL brought Superman to the galaxies being destroyed by Imperiex Probes 200,000,000,000,000 light years away, and this was him aided with a construct and took hours, and is also almost an order of magnitude smaller than the Shattered God feat. Superman himself (aside for the dubious reality blitzing missiles feat) I haven't seen have a feat go past trillions of times faster than light, his best feat having been flying to Rao when fighting Superboy Prime. I am nice enough to concede scaling him gives him quadrillions c.

My point is that the Shattered god feat likely is an outlier because the whole fight most likely already is an outlier, Wonder Woman has no comparable feats except for catching the Flash at one point but this feat wouldn't compare to the Shattered God feat, and the Justice League as a whole has no comparable feats except for one utterly dubious feat from an already outlier-ridden story. The only real argument is that Superman and Wonder Woman could scale to the Flash but we don't even know if when they scale they are being compared to high effort speed force level feats such as the radio reset or racing the cosmic gambler.

My next major thing is on turbolasers and laser cannons from Star Wars. I need to get my calcs together and finish one other calc, but I think laser cannons should be downgraded to 8-A to 7-C and turbolasers to 7-A to 6-C unless I find the feats stated on the pages to be true