Thread:PassionatePubli/@comment-28371386-20200804063716/@comment-32094364-20200804072100

I can provide the image of Red Bean if desired. It was a real CBT image that also contained other anomalies such as Pop-up Barrel Pirate.

That is fair. I should probably update those. I should definitely make it more clear that leaks and misbehavior in regards to the wiki are not acceptable. I do not think the ban was uncalled for though, as you were directly slandering both the wiki and admins at the time. I know nothing about Twitter leaks nor do I care about what happens on Twitter. It was purely in regards to the behavior on the other wiki.

I am not a member of the official discord nor do I ever desire to be so, I would not know clarifications about that. I also know that Cookiedroid was put in early, but some of the things provided, such as the Cookie's default standing sprite, could not be properly accessed from the game yet (being as Cookiedroid was still locked for everyone and therefore greyed out.) which is why I considered it a leak. I must also point out that the wiki has to be careful with what information is provided on it as Devsis can absolutely sanction us for content that is not meant to be on the wiki yet. Let's say someone uploads a magic candy for Special Force (which does not exist. saying that now.). Because this is on a wiki, the staff has to take responsibility for its removal. Therefore if a problem is caused by the image, then that's on us for not taking care of it. It's a spiral, and it's naturally safer to just remove the potential leak and the user who posted it so repeat behavior can't happen. I also don't think you contacted me about this specific issue?

I do understand your point on locked pages, stubs etc. The thing that a lot of people don't get about the vandalism the wiki experiences is that it is a large volume by very dedicated vandals, and they will repeatedly do it to the same pages. I would like to provide some examples so this makes more sense.

Walnut's page: This one was only vandalized once, and then I realized what was going to happen if I left it unlocked. This is kind of one of the more unique issues. Someone tried to delete the proof that she's a child off the page. I think you can see where someone was going about this and why that would be an immediate concern.

Soda, Cream Puff, many others: There is someone who keeps coming back under many different IPs. They tend to target about the same pages, hence the block, but what they do is adjust dates to be slightly wrong. Not enough to not necessarily be beliveable, but enough to be...off. And they will do this over and over again, change IPs every block, and just disappear for a few days so it's hard to track exactly when they're doing it again. It's that kind of abnormal thing that ended up getting some pages locked. I try not to make it a permanent lock unless the page is continually subjected to this behavior though.

Orange: So Orange's page isn't actually locked or protected at all! But I thought this would be an interesting example of the kind of thing the wiki gets bombed with sometimes: for every day for a month or two, there was someone who would change their IP and post NSFW nasty garbage in her comments section. Because wikia does not allow individual page comment section removal, I just had to...die. Every day. You get me.

Plum: People just won't stop editing his gender to female! This happens with almost all of the gender non-conforming Cookies and is partially why that one alert is even at the top. It's basically one of the only edits people will actually make to those articles, it's very frustrating.

I do agree more admins might not be a bad idea. I also feel as though the old retired ones should probably have their roles removed so people stop accidentally contacting them.

I did notice there was one thing you left out of your statement that I am aware was included in your bashing; ie gender labeling on Cookies.

I honestly just have one thing to say about it: I literally don't care what the gender of any of the Cookies are. I just don't. If I ever cared, it was for the opposite side that you probably think I'm on. (Actually, when I was younger I used to get into fights with people who would misgender the Cookies that at the time we had full reason to believe WERE definitely nonbinary) I have no motives behind what is done about those. That probably sounds hard to believe. But I don't want to put false information on the wiki. A lot of people, I think, forgot what happened to Dark Choco (and technically Cinnamon, but this applies more to Dark Choco) in that he for two years was referred to with no pronouns and then was suddenly referred to as male during an update. He used to be marked as nonbinary. I consider that a mistake on my part for making an uninformed decision in regards to what I put. But I am not saying the gender represented in the Korean or the Japanese version is absolute canon (though it's probably more likely in the Korean version, certainly), I am just providing it as a "hey, this might be a thing in the English version at some point in the future, or it might not, who knows, it sure doesn't say anything" and I have never tried to imply anywhere in any articles that these genders are definite. There is a reason I don't use presumptive gendered text anywhere in them. I do not claim that the other languages will definitely apply to English. But it is the same as say, Saharah on the Animal Crossing wiki being different between languages. It's basically just trivia.

The important thing I want to say about this subject is that any and all headcanons or thoughts about the gender of any of the Cookies, who have been specified or not, are all good and valid. You want a nonbinary Yam? Absolutely, go for it. Trans Matcha? Sure. Etc. I just do not want to provide information that may not be accurate and then, you know, understandably have people be upset that information was given that was never confirmed and then deconfirmed by the game. Might it never happen? Definitely. But is the chance there? Also definitely. And with indefinites...you can never be sure.

And again, I just want to make the point...If you're not certain if something should be made or not...it's better to ask before, right?