User talk:Kirkburn

Template documentation does not go well with forumheaders
Copied the templates and forum pages from Starter in the last 24 hours. Planning to do it for other wikis. But we have a problem. See http://fisherymanagement.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Help_test_this%3F and http://fisherymanagement.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Here_at_last.

Forums preload into the edit boxes of new items. I'm sure you remember that, but the consequences may have escaped you until now. Forums therefore copy even a "noinclude" section, such as. So you get a documentation subpage trying to be created for every forum item.

Is it me or is it you that's done something not right?

Here's the contents of Template:Forumheader/Watercooler as copied from Starter (which hasn't been changed since):

If it's you, maybe I can suggest a solution: the preload doesn't have to pull in a template, does it? So the page it pulls in doesn't need the lovely new standard template documentation. (Sad, but hey that's only two of the dozens of Starter templates!!) Call it Project:Forumheader/Watercooler, maybe, so that nobody can complain that we have templates without proper documentation.

So Forum:Watercooler can have its relevant line simply changed from: preload=Template:Forumheader/ to preload=Project:Forumheader/

I've probably forgotten something somewhere in there. Oh, yes - Template:Forumheader will have to become Project:Forumheader and therefore need an initial colon and namespace whenever it's called up, which will be mostly in the forumheader subpages such as the above-quoted Template:Forumheader/Watercooler, which will be renamed Project:Forumheader/Watercooler and will have first line with the extra stuff but no "noinclude" and therefore look like this:

And help desk correspondingly.

Now I'm surer that I've missed something. Must be lunch-time. I expect you can find a flaw at a glance if there is one.

Cordially

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, sorry I missed this - I've removed the lines from and  for now. I don't think they absolutely require the explanation, but I'll try and check out your solution when I get a bit of extra time :)  12:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Good man! Maybe the documentation can be added to http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Forumheader/doc. Many templates on Wikipedia (as I expect you know) share documentation if they are as intimately related as those are. That would be cleaner than changing "Forum:" to "Project:" on three or six pages. Maybe I can do it; some of my work on Starter has survived expert attention. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 21:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edit, looks fair. :) 21:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Bot edits
In regards to your comment about bot edits triggering notification e-mails. -- 22:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds good :) 12:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

admin request
hey kickburn i was hoping that i could become the admin or crat on dragonfable wiki i tried asking other staff but ...well thay havent been online for a long time ,im the only user on df wiki in my timezone but recently since a few months in any timezone if u go to that wiki im the only one in recent activity list plus if i contact the beurocrat there the guy never logs in or replies(my point:i hav no one to request) so im the only active user since around 2 weeks ,if u make me crat or admin i wont do such spelling mistakes ever ,yours hopefullyArtix -Human paladin 18:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hullo! I suggest visiting Adoption requests and putting your name down there (PS. It's Kirkburn with an "r" ... Don't worry, I've heard a lot of variations ;) 13:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Tabbed mainpage content
Hello Kirkburn! I was wondering if you could help me out with creating tabs in the mainpage of my wikia, much like the ones in WoWwiki. I need someone's guidance in this so I chose you and hope you can help me with this one. My wikia is scienceworld Thanks for your time. Pvd 05:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I think I found the way. Thanks again for your time reading this. If I experience any problem I will get back at you if you would be kind to help me in the future. Cheers! Pvd 13:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, I guess :) 13:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Gears of War Fanon
Can I ask for Help on the Gears of War Fanon page please, becasue we are having trouble.

Under Control atm.

Thanks

Gunnery Sergeant   McCallan

God I hate this, But the templates dont work could you look at them please mate,

cheers,

Gunnery Sergeant   McCallan


 * Hullo! What is the issue exactly? 18:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't seem to get templates working properly and get a Icon, It's hard considering the other two Bureaucrats (i'm only Admin) dont lift a finger.

I really Appreciate this

Gunnery Sergeant   McCallan


 * It seems okay here - tried it out on . 18:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I have no Idea then :/. Could you help me by making the logo? (The Omen Image does fine) an also I created an Admin template and it does't show up when i do

Useless articles
Hi, can you delete all the articles created by 208.100.232.3. He created a ton of article that don't have any relevance to the Central Wikia. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Taking a look :) 17:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Conmyth can't reach RC list
Something happened on the w:c:conmyth recentChanges. We have to disable javascript to view it and some have additional problems depending on their usernames. LP (speak page) 18:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Being looked into right at this moment by Eulalia :) 18:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting the redirect. It seems to have been corrected but there are usernames on that pages and one of them had to edit from an IP adress because of an interwiki redirect. There are still two usernames on that pages and that means that these users get their view of the wiki changed by it. LP (speak page) 19:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Moving the comment. LP (speak page) 19:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki dictatorship
Can you please delete w:c:conmyth:MediaWiki:Common.js. Mighty Erick is using it to prevent Mattkenn3 and Golden Eagle from logging in. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Usertendo Request
Hello, Kirkburn. My name is Cobweb, founder of Usertendo ([usertendo.wikia.com]). I wish for you to demote the following users from their positions as sysop or bureacrat on my wiki plzkthx: Thanks again, and bai. Cobweb (Talk)
 * 1337Yoshi
 * BlueYoshter
 * COKEMAN11
 * KP Blue
 * Max2
 * McQueenMario

User Avatars
Hey, it's Exlonox. I was wondering if you knew how to get the new avatars and other user features (i.e. on the Watchmen Wiki) to work on the Burnout Wiki. If you could help out, that'd be great. Exlonox 17:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Currently it comes with blogs - see w:c:help:Help:Blog articles - is that okay? 17:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thanks. Exlonox 23:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a way for the Burnout wiki to get this now? If not, when is the projected timeframe? (if there is one) Exlonox 00:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Pikcanon-NOT needs a Bureaucrat
Hello Kirkburn! My Wiki, http://pikminfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Pikcanon-NOT, has a bit of a problem. The Wiki's creator, Rocky0718,is the only Bureaucrat there and he/she has left the wiki. He/She is the only registered Bureaucrat there and unless you can talk to him/her on another of his/her userpages somewhere on Wikia, you can never become a sysop/bureaucrat. The only way this can be solve is to make any of the Users there a Bureaucrat. Please make me a bureaucrat so we can fix this problem. I think you should make me the Bureaucrat because for the past few days I was the only one who did anything there. Also I am always on that Wiki and I am known to help people in real life. Maybe that experiance will help me decide who deserves to become a Bureaucrat/Sysop. My Userpage there is here.

Thanks and sorry if my request was an incovieneance.

Sir Pikmin


 * Please see Adoption requests. 16:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Please Help!!!!
I need help starting the polaris quest line. I have gotten into a few auroran bars by

bribing the planets so i can land but it has never given me the quest.

How can i get the polaris line on this account, i have 85 million credits and don't

want to start over if i don't have to.

please e-mail your response to cardgar@hotmail.com

thanks

71.129.87.228 01:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Protection templates for starter.wikia?
Those of us who copy templates from Wikipedia when there is no Wikia equivalent often copy pages that are protected or semi-protected. It would be good to have Wikia versions of the relevant templates, with "/doc" pages in our nice new standard style. I've just searched Starter and not found any. Any plans to add them?
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protection_templates lists them all, but the only two that I remember using are the "high visibility" templates:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pp-template for full protection and
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pp-semi-protected for semi-protection

It would be good to use exactly the same names so that we don't have to change anything to use them on imported pages.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea! I'll see what I can do - shall probably do it on templates.wikia first though :) 16:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, pal. Er - templates.wikia?? Another treasure for me to discover, no doubt! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Templates is a separate wiki intended to collate useful templates from across Wikia - atm mainly the starter kit templates, plus a few more. This also means they can be developed without worrying about affecting the starter kit or other wikis unnecessarily. 16:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Protected :) 21:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Blog problem
When I type comment on [http://burnout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_parkster/First_Ever_Blog..._Form_Me_Anyway! this post] and click 'Post comment', what I typed gets erased from the text box and is not posted as a comment. Thought you should know. Exlonox 14:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

(Update) I can't comment on any posts. Exlonox 20:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Odd - I'll pass it along. What browser/OS are you using, and do you have any special browser addons that might interfere? 16:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

localsettings
Hey, quick question (hopefully). Who has access to edit LocalSettings.php? Can the founder do it? Or is it limited to @Wikia guys? I'm needing to add Portal and Portal talk namespaces to Burnout wikia. Rappy talk 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The Wikia tech team can do that - put in a request via Special:Contact and we can sort you out :) 16:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Gran Turismo Wiki blogs...
...are incompatible with our pagetop banner. So could you move the content in the User: and User talk: namespaces to overlap it? Thanks. -- Gp 75 motorsports REV LIMITER GT-PT/GT-EN/CSW 00:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Video Embed Tool
Hey, it's Creepydude from the Call of Duty Wiki. I am posting in response to your message on my talk page about the new video embed tool. First of all, the new tool is awesome, and it'll work wonders with all the gameplay videos we have in the wiki. I'll start putting the new format over the old   links right away.

I have a couple questions. I am curious, since only some wikis have gotten this announcement, which ones have? Just the big-ish wikis? Or just the big-ish gaming wikis?

Another question is, I'm wondering why you decided to contact me personally. I was quite suprised when I found that I was the only user on the wiki to recieve this message. Either way, thanks a lot, and I added an announcement. Keep up the great work; I am very happy with this feature! Respond on whatever wiki you wish. 22:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Right on; thanks! I only have one comment/criticism to make.  If you try to put a hyperlink inside the thumb comment, it acts really funny.  For instance if I did  thumb|This is an [[example video]]  then the hyperlink inside it would mess up the video.  I am not sure if this can be fixed or not since the hyperlinks worked for images.


 * I feel special now that Call of Duty Wiki is one of the first wikis to get this feature. ;)  23:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, this is an known issue atm, I think. Thanks for reminding me! 23:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I want to pester you one more time with a tiny glitch in the new video upload thing. If you go to Special:ImageList, uploaded videos appear in there and if you click on one, it puts an Image: in front of it, making it Image:Video:Example or whatever.  Do you have plans to create a special video upload log and full support for the feature, or do you plan on keeping it small?  Anyway, thanks a lot.  Bolded so the text is a little easier to pick out.   07:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the report, I'll pass it on. Yep, we plan to duplicate as much of the Image-related special pages as possible, so as to make maintenance simple. 15:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Help?
As it seems Sannse is not available today, I was wondering if you may assist us at the RuneScape Wiki. I left a message here on Sannse's talk page about a vandal who is evading blocks by making new vandal accounts. I was wondering, if you can, could we get a checkuser and possibly ban the ip and/or ip ranges? Any assistance would be much appreciated. 17:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have tried an IP ban. 17:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * He is back now as "BULLSHIT234" "BULLSHIT567" "CS12". Seems he's persistent. 17:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Second method done :) 17:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Appreciate your assistance in this matter. 17:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Video Gallery?
Hiya Kirkburn, already asked this on The Vault forum, but figured I might get a quicker response going directly to you. Is there code for a video gallery, along the lines of the image gallery? We're running into a problem with too many videos on one page, some of our editors are demanding removal, others are screaming that they'll stop contributing videos if we don't display them - and I'm stuck in the middle trying to satisfy everyone. If the function doesn't already exist, it sure would be nice ;) AshRandom (Talk) 20:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Side note: I loved your little hello template box at the top, so I stole it ;) [[Image:Ash_Nuke.jpg]] AshRandom (Talk) 21:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied at http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_video_embed_tool (and yay templates!). 15:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Logo replacement challenge
Default logo is not being replaced by Wiki.png new image Some 10 hours of exploring all the helps I could fine, no solution is found yet. In new wiki of energykitesystems as admin, I uploaded new image at correct size in png and the default image of Wikia does not get replaced. Any clue? Thanks. Joe Faust 22:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the report - it's been passed on and is being looked into. 15:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Someone told: matter was Wikia wide. Also, someone today did something to have the logo image replace the default. Joe Faust 20:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Adding an inactive template
I was wondering if you can add an inactive wiki template to the Midkemia wiki. After I have a chance to make some edits on it, I'll file an adoption request, but if someone else interested would like to adopt, then I wouldn't mind.--Iner22 17:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. 17:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

advice please...
Hello Im new to wikia and Im thinking about making a wikia about an anime/manga series, any advice? BR Ninja15 18:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what specifics you may want, but if you visit the Requests Wikia and Wikia Help you may find stuff that helps. 19:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hidden 'by default'?
I sometimes use IPA symbols in text, but I have to copy-paste them because ,although being in w:c:conmyth:MediaWiki:Edittools, they are hidden by default and editing this page does not solve it (I might be editing it wrong, but I cannot see what is intended to be done to show them). Do you know how to correct it or who can correct it? Lars (Poet) (speak page) 21:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The more advanced symbols are hidden by the "<! --" and "-- >" (without the spaces) comment markers. Remove those from your w:c:conmyth:MediaWiki:Edittools, and they should show up. 22:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I just thought that it had to do with the CSS settings, as it is such a visible change, I will ask other administrators what they think about making it visible, but I think that they will find it OK to change it, users would still be able to made their CSS settings to hide it. I have even seen a user CSS subpage for User:217.77.165.53 on wikia help, so IPs are also able to enable or disable that (I will enable it by default, as I have no idea how javascript controls what to show and what to hide on wikipedia). Lars (Poet) (speak page) 15:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Admin
Please promote me to admin on the Unbionicle wiki. The only admin there has been gone for 4 months and there are some vandals around ,so I need the ability to block! Please respond as quickly as possible!Andrew1219


 * Hello - I have to suggest requesting via Wiki adoption requests. It doesn't appear to be under current attack, so I would not wish to bypass that procedure. 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What links to a page from w:c:conmyth:Monaco-sidebar
Hello again, Kirkburn.Is there somehow we can see links from pages like mediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar from Special:WhatLinksHere? On w:c:conmyth I had to remove a huge amount of references from w:c:conmyth:MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar after another administrator had deleted the pages. I know that they are references rather than links, but they are transformed into links when using it. Lars (Poet) (speak page) 20:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I don't know of a way of achieving that, sorry :( 20:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Then, I will leave the question in a forum, just in case anyone knows. Lars (Poet) (speak page) 20:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Spam
Ok, I returned to WikiTubia but I've just found the wiki drowning with spam (look on the history of the page "YouTube Poop" and you'll sorta see what I mean). Is there a way to protect the whole wiki? --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 17:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See user talk page. 15:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Tekken Wiki tables and templates
Hey, I'm over from the Tekken Wiki. I'm just wondering how to make disambiguation page templates (Jack would need one, as would the search Kazama) and how to go about making a table template for adding additional information to the pages. Any help in this would be great as the Wiki seems pretty dead and unorganised. PkmnTrainerJ 17:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It sounds like templates.wikia may be of use to you. 15:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

CreatePage
Hi Kirkburn, I see these a 'hidden function' to generate new pages to a pre determined template, for consistency. I was looking at the Marvel Database Wiki which as a similar idea as im after trying to standardise the outline pages for articles at Tractor Wiki. My general layout follows the WP page layout as early pages were from WP as a starting point. But had a problem with WP infoboxes not working (get loads of HTMl code showing so ditched them from some pages at first). I then imported a load of WP templates but suffer some incompatibility with hem but getting sorted (I think)). (didnt know wikia has some available). - Wikipedias navbox suite being a problem on import. (the nested nature of the doc and interconedted examples causing red template links).

Have now come to the conclusion standardizing the basic pages has several advantages;
 * consistency, as i end up with slightly different headings / content on different sessions, etc.
 * reduce finger wear (RSI)
 * Get more pages created
 * Make it easier for beginners (possibly to start pages)

So is it easy to enable this Function, could not really see it at the example wiki given (found the CreateTemplates pages) but didn't see the interface mentioned on the front page ?

Dont want to create empty stubs en mass as such, just /sub pages for the red links were i have a bit of Content/ or an image (as some high level pages getting too full of images). Also need to Add back info boxes to early pages. All the company pages need one (about 250 +).

I started trying to adapt the Documentation page to generate a Preload blank gallery page but found that the sub pages are only allowed in some Name spaces & not the main !! And Template:Documentation is really a Page in a page in another page (the template being documented). So unraveling the codes not working, as getting the bits right and If statements confused me.

So any suggestions ?

Also The Marvel Datebase has a neat category hierarchy function at the bottom I.e Marvel Datebase - Administration - Tools - Templates. (PeterParker doesent know how that works, I asked) Thats how I found this create page looking at a Media wiki extensions list. Do you know how that Category horizontal list is implemented, is it part of the interface ? - BulldozerD11 17:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Kirburn would be great full if you can help sort out this creating new pages useing templates. From a query on the forum I found this page Help:CreatePage and have tried it on Tractor Wiki but it does not appear to work (Special:CreatePage) gives a blank new style page edit box but no list of pages. Re reading the help page appears to say its only works on newer wikis ? Does it need enabling on my wiki ?


 * I've had also tried to implement the create a new page function from Marvel database, which is under development here and add a button to access it through the Createbar. But canot get the Button to load the menu page.  (the underlying templates complexity with if tests etc was confusing me but the basic working behind it I've now worked out and a couple of the options work.) I need to make it accessible by placing a button on pages, which the create bar appeared to do. (the other buttons work but the link to this does not ! ) ? Can you please assist - BulldozerD11 22:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Bully Wikia and copyright problems
Hey Kirkburn. I'm McJeff, one of two bureaucrats from Bully Wiki, and I'm concerned that the wikia is pushing the limits of the fair use policy on text.

The issue is that Bully has many characters, and each character has its own article, and each article has a list of quotes from each character. In most cases the quotes are limited to 20. Now I think this is already stretching fair use policy on text to the breaking point, but my co-bureaucrat wants to extend the limit to 30.

I'm very uneasy about that since again I think it's a Fair Use violation, but I've been told in varying ways by the other users there that they "don't like" the Fair Use policy and don't care to obey it. So, I have to ask here. I don't know if you're the person who deals with copyright issues - I have trouble finding my way around Wikia central. So if you can't help yourself, I was hoping you could at least direct me to someone/something that could.

I've been referring to Wikipedia's fair use policy on text for this. McJeff 18:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Taken this somewhere else noticing that you're on vacation. McJeff 18:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Age of Empires
Please see http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Kirkburn — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

a question of annoyance...
... no matter what i do and how many times I save it and wait it wont work, the monaco thing on your story wiki. --2+2 11:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you been able to resolve this issue? I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. 00:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sysop resignation?
Just wondering, is there a way for sysops to resign or bureaucrats to demote them, or do wikia staff have to address matters of that sort? When you get to responding, can you message me on my talk page? Thanks. Exlonox 00:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied at User talk:Exlonox. -- 16:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

on the your story wiki
I keep customizing the monaco skin stuff but nothing happens. please help!--2+2 18:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You need to go into your preferences and select the custom skin as your (and the wiki's) default skin. -- 19:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Gearsofwar Fanon
Yes, There has been a Crat asking for help, but I ask you, Can you remove a Crat who, despite creating most of our templates, has been Verbally Assualting Other Memebers through the means of IRC and Skype.

Yours, Love is Noise   Love is Pain  Love is these blues  20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Who? 18:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is hardly relavent. Seeing as I didn't have get the wiki going,I asked and Begged Jaws for her to get help. When she didn't Or the when the other 'Crat didn't help I stepped up to the plate and asked for help. So if anything, I'm more deserving of my power. She also has been abusing her powers; for example she banned me after helping a  user. And I created the IRC Channel and she also abused her power. And finally, how does skype pertain to the Wiki?  SPARTAN-  G0  24  20:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to vouch for Josh here. He's done nearly all the work getting the wiki off the ground, and he was the one who contacted people when he hit a snag. Jaws has done almost nothing to improve the wiki despite being a 'crat. Also, 'Verbally assaulting' is a loaded phrase, at worst he's been teasing people a little too harshly and all that's deserved is an apology.

I'm honestly disappointed that you seem to be de-admining him without actually seeing both sides of the argument. What happened to good faith? Screennameless -  "Goodnight, everybody!"  20:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just asked "who?" :P I didn't mean to appear like I was going to do something without finding out more. At any rate, it sounds like something far too controversial for me to take any action - I can offer advice, of course, but for that I'd suggesting pointing me to somewhere on the wiki. 21:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * (shakes head) Sorry about that. It just seemed to me like you were going, "Okay, who am I de-admining?" Which, I see now, was stupid on my part.  Again, sorry. (laughs) If you want a quick summary, they're mad at each other because Josh feels like the other bureaucrats aren't pulling their weight and because Jaws feels that Josh is abusing his bureaucrat powers.  Both arguments have merit.


 * Josh was especially frustrated that Jaws hadn't done much on the wiki and neither had the other bureaucrat, Zen. Basically, Josh felt like he was doing everything, which isn't that far off. So whenever they tried to assert authority over him as founders of the wiki, he'd get annoyed and lash out at them in what he viewed as just retaliation. Meanwhile, Jaws felt like he was attacking other people unjustly. So she would fight back in what she viewed as just retaliation. Cue vicious circle.


 * I, among other people, can vouch for Josh about having done most of the wiki's construction on his own. And what he couldn't do, other people did at his request and coordination (most of these have been archived now, as on User:EightyOne's talk page on Gearspedia).  And I know I'd be frustrated if I spent basically two weeks trying to create a wiki without the help of the other bureaucrats.  But I do agree that he can get pretty nasty to Jaws and Zen, most of the evidence of this occurring in IRC, which I have no records of. I also know that his idea of joking around (ex. kicking someone out of IRC for a silly reason) could be misinterpreted. For instance, in the block log you may notice I was once banned for two minutes for "slapping (Josh) on Skype".  I found this hilarious.  Other people probably think this is admin abuse.


 * Jaws has also now told us that she had real life issues that pulled her away from the wiki, which I believe completely. However, I had no knowledge of this until literally yesterday, and from what I've been told by both parties, Josh had only cursory knowledge of it after the wiki was already created.


 * The truth is, I'm very frustrated because Josh is my friend and I don't want to seem like I'm just taking his side. I really like Gears Fanon and I hope to see it grow into a real community. I'm just completely lost on what to do.  But I definitely don't think removing Josh's admin privileges is fair to him considering the effort and time he's put in there.


 * Again, I'm sorry I jumped to conclusions... and I'm sorry that became really long. I don't know how that happened. Trying to be thorough, I guess. :P  Screennameless  -  "Goodnight, everybody!"  00:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)