Forum:Weird graphical muckups

Just a general complaint. I get the sense that Wikia staff are yet again mucking around with features that aren't broken. The headers on my main page are now screwed up, the "edit this section" buttons are now to the left, and galleries have a strange frame which ruins our layouts. I also experienced several glitches when previewing while trying to edit. Is there any way to stop these people? --Dubiel 12:21, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit links are on the left on our wiki as well. The "Read More" section on the bottom is also broken: no more images appear, just text. - Tjcool007 (Talk) 12:33, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would like to point out that the staff as you know them do not make these decisions, and that these are likely glitches that will be fixed soon. Don't leap to the assumption that Wikia is out to get you.


 * It's not an assumption, I assure you. --Dubiel 14:30, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said on Sarah's talk page, it's not a glitch. Wikia changed the structure of the headings.
 * Before it was [h2] [span class=editsection] [/span] TITLE [/h2]
 * Now it is [div class=headline-wrapper-h2] [span class=editsection] [/span] [h2] TITLE [/h2] [/div]
 * --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 15:52, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. I now feel 100% vindicated in leaping to the "assumption" that Wikia have responsibility for boneheaded skin changes they make and, like you, expect an explanation. --Dubiel 16:16, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Staff say that the chane is permanent, so all the wikis that changed the style of the headers need to readapt it. A whole mess. Of course, don't try to find an explanation about the change, --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 16:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ciencia, how on earth is that staff saying the change is permanent? "This is a temporary layout glitch that should clear itself up within 24 hours" - they couldn't be further from saying that it's permanent--Acer4666 17:03, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand from this: If you've made any CSS or JS modifications that interact with this code, you need to check those modifications to adjust to this change. that our wiki has custom CSS to change the appearance of the headings, and that the change is permanent, so Wikia will update their CSS to make the edit link float to the right again, but local CSS modifications will be messed up until sysops readapt their code. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 17:08, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see that some wikis will have to adapt to the change, and I guess whoever made the change should've thought about that before rolling it out. But I feel some of your language is slightly misleading - saying "it's not a glitch" isn't really right, so there's no need for Dubiel to feel vindicated that this was a deliberate thing by the wikia staff--Acer4666 17:16, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * What is misleading is Wikia changing the way headings are rendered without any notice and without any documented purpose. Something not broken does not need to be fixed &mdash; nor even to broke it as Wikia did. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 17:38, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * What is misleading is that you seem to be pushing the agenda that the staff are deliberately trying to make your life harder despite the fact that they've said it's a glitch. Please do not create problems where there don't need to be any.
 * I agree with you: Wikia: Please do not create problems where there don't need to be any --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:23, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand the term "glitch". Per the Wikipedia definition, a glitch is "a minor fault which will soon be rectified". Wikia does not do these things on purpose. On the other hand, you are purposefully disrupting this forum with a biased agenda against Wikia. Please stop. If you have complaints, send them to Special:Contact. None of us are able to help you here, and you're only wasting our time.
 * And you misunderstand the whole thing. Reread all of what has been posted here. First of all, I explained what was the change that Wikia made so other users notice that the change was a structural one and not only a CSS one, so special styling for each wiki may be broken, as happened on our wiki. Second, I said that Wikia is changing those things on purpose, not that they're breaking things on purpose. But sadly some of those structural changes imply the latter, and that's not a glitch, since it requires sysop effort and time to fix that where it broke things. And third, you are assuming bad faith here saying that you are purposefully disrupting this forum with a biased agenda against Wikia, something I haven't, and it's a serious accusation, which I request an apologize about what you just said. And about the time I waste, it's happening because Wikia change those things and you giving false accusations which I need to reply. Next time try to avoid putting messages like this that doesn't contribute to solve anything but rather raise conflicts. Thanks, --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:52, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I certainly did not intend to imply any personal animosity against Wikia's staff or to assert that they're knowingly trying to sabotage my editing process here (despite the Oasis fiasco, which I think is generous of me - I can't see how anyone would defend that as an innocent move). I have been here for four years and rarely ever voiced a complaint before 2010, so it is harsh of you to jump to the conclusion that I have come along with some kind of axe to grind. If I were really aggrieved, I wouldn't continue my unpaid volunteer work by editing here. And I do, like you, doubt that the staff would knowingly engage in malpractice against their users, or otherwise there would logically be no job for them. But I have been here rather longer than you, Monchoman45, and I do have a little bit of insight into the staff behind the "staff as you know them" as well - the process of having needless changes go unannounced, forced down our throats, or unexplained is a new and frustrating one, hence my exaggerated contention that they are making our lives harder against our vocal will in some respect, whatever their positive intentions. Since it discontents you, I retract my harshly-toned commentary above and would prefer we return to solving this annoying bug, assuming it is a bug and not a "feature". --Dubiel 22:13, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dubiel, I see the points you are making, but for some of us there is alot of history with Wikia. Many people, good people, have left editing Wikia wikis over their poorly handled actions and changes. Ciencia should be commended for sticking with Wikia and trying to point out their missteps rather than just leaving.
 * However, a more neutral tone could have been used in all cases. I try to support Wikia, but sometimes they make it rather difficult. As you said, most of us are volunteers. The idea of people paid by Wikia making our lives more difficult is aggravating, especially when sometimes the actions appear as careless, rather than just innocent.-- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 6 Jul 2011 4:41 PM Pacific

As I said elsewhere, I am most concerned about the change to the h2-level heading formatting. It has completely changed the look of our wiki. Edit buttons on the left can be fixed with CSS:

/* Edit Button Location Fix */ .editsection { float: right; } /* END Edit Button Location Fix */ I stole this from another wiki. — Spike  Toronto  17:40, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Dubiel - I think they (staff) are right and they look like committed to serve the customers. I am saying this on the basis that they are telling that something is not good and a known issue (glitch) and they will fix it for sure. I think one should believe them that their staff (developers, graphic designers and othre technical staff) will show their commitment and fix it soon and I hope that wikia staff will never want to lose the trust of their customers.