Thread:DarkDragonMedeus/@comment-38729545-20190612172933/@comment-38729545-20190615165858

“ The low ball isn’t always the most rational interpretation even when things are vague, but I will grant you the idea that low-balling in response to a lack of information is better than nothing or adding information to suit your idea. We should always take the safest interpretation that requires the least amount of assumptions, and the assumptions we do take have to have solid evidence or reasoning behind them.

Problem though. Your low ball comes from adding information, taking extra assumptions, and basing those assumptions with at best weak reasoning.

The scene you are given has ABSOLUTELY no indication that the destruction of two universes was going to be sequential. While it doesn’t EXPLICITLY state that the universes are gonna be wiped out simultaneously iirc, that assumption is the simpler, easier to explain and account for version that has more implications backing it up, as Whis and Vados stopped them before anything could really be done— implying with their expediency, efficiency, and overall haste that there was a REASON to rush and stop them when they did, which gives weight to the idea that their fight might have immediate and drastic consequences— that the consequences the Angels outline might be immediate and drastic. There’s also them fighting over the baseball game (which is also between the same two characters who were previously asked to not fight or the universes die) resembles another scene in the franchise where a character was going to chain reaction collapse an entire space time, meaning it’s not out of the realms of possibility that they MIGHT destroy it all at once. And while we DON’T 100% know for sure that this is the case, all this implication on top of the idea that every other interpretation to have the ratings be different or the feat be accomplished differently rely on weaker inferences based on very little than the idea that it’s “possible” since there’s nothing saying it wasn’t going to be done or doable in the way you argue.

So, not only is your interpretation of the feat supported by the weasely sneaky loophole of saying “they didn’t say it WOULDN’T happen like this” which is blatantly assuming more than you’re given, but your explanation for how that could even be done is bafflingly more complex than anything implied. What part of two gods fighting can nuke both of the universes implies that they are going to SOMEHOW nuke one, and then SOMEHOW get to the other without having to either travel at speeds they’ve never done before or demonstrate feats that could be POTENTIALLY HIGHER than the basic assumptions we’re making would. How the hell are they gonna nuke two universes with gaps in distance at least far greater than anything they have ever traversed with Ki blasts or movement speed. And doing so might be 5D because those blasts might need a 5D axis to travel along.”

Supported by what exactly? Beerus and Champa was never stated to affect space and time.

It wasn’t stated nor showed that Vados and Whis have to stop them from destroy two universes as this is a assumption from Amexium.

You do not take a scene out of context especially since it make little to no sense on how exactly they can destroy two universes in one go or over time.

Using multipliers for Tier 2 is not a good way to go about things.

He literally using unfounded assumptions and ones that isn’t supported by what is shown and stated in DBS regarding Beerus and Champa.

Tbh the thread is literally circulating reasoning.

One side is arguing so much for a upgrade while the other side refuses to upgrade characters based on a scenario that didn’t happened, but theorized and interpreted. At this point, there is a complete stalemate.

Not one side is giving a inch. We can not show too much bias and must attempt to be objective as much as possible.