User talk:Jasonr

Very Urgent Question
Dear Angela/Jason,

I'm David Feng and I have wikimac.wikicities.com. A few minutes ago I went to the Wikicity G. Knowledge and saw they had their subtitles (e.g. "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia") under the titles, so I copied the code and placed it on WikiMac.

Then all hell essentially broke loose. I can now no longer access wikimac.wikicities.com as far I as can try. I tried to go back and to refix the monobook.css modification (which was what I did -- I guess -- to mess it up). Nothing worked. wikimac.wikicities.com still works via ping, but the site is dead.

I think the English language fails in my desparation at this moment, it is 1:30 AM and I seriously doubt if I could get a peaceful night. Your help in any form would be appreciated in full.

Yours truly sincerely, David Feng

--DavidFeng 09:28, 3 Dec 2004 (PST)


 * Replied at User talk:DavidFeng. Angela 09:43, 3 Dec 2004 (PST)

bureaucrat status lost
Hi Jason,

David from WikiMac here. I've lost the bureaucrat status or at least I can no longer delete, protect, etc... pages, and I'd like to request bureaucrat status additionally for zh.wikimac as well as wikimac (English).

Thanks! --DavidFeng 03:35, 14 Dec 2004 (PST)

Interlanguage error on WikiMac
Sincere apologies for un-Macintosh-like behaviour (i.e. world domination) on your talk page (given that the previous two requests also came from this same David Feng.

Onwards -- there is a problem. The only site that's not affected is zh.mac.wikicities. If I add whatever (or any language code), there's a link in "languages". But on other versions of WikiMac, there's a bug. It's impossible on any other non-ZH wiki to create an English link that would go on "languages" (on the left sidebar in Monobook view), and links to other languages on the English edition (mac.wikicities) turn out to be a red link at the bottom of the page.

BTW, would it also be OK to create en.mac.wikicities and then redirect that to mac.wikicities?

Thanks, and apologies for dominating your talk page,

--DavidFeng 08:43, 4 Feb 2005 (PST)


 * No problem (regarding the domination). I just forgot to add the EN links to the interlanguage links settings.  I just added the EN links.  Let me know if you have any more trouble


 * Also, I've set up en.mac.wikicities.com to work as you requested. Jasonr 12:15, 4 Feb 2005 (PST)


 * Thanks Jason. Another (minor) problem: look at the bottom of mac.wikicities -- the DE, FR, IT and ES links aren't in the lang. navbar yet. If you could fix that i'td be great. Also if you could add en.wikimac and redirect that to mac.wikicities, that would also be great. Thanks again. :) --DavidFeng 17:48, 4 Feb 2005 (PST)


 * Ouch that one was tricky... I spent a while looking at it, but it turned out to be a very simple fix...  I just had to change the page, and save it.  So, I would assume that other pages that have had the interlanguage links on them since before I got them set up correctly will also have this problem.  Just editing the page fixed it for me (I'm not sure if an edit marked as "minor" would have the same effect).  en.wikimac is also set up now. Jasonr 22:28, 4 Feb 2005 (PST)


 * Same thing with images that don't exist (as in, if you're importing a page before the images for that page), you have to add some kind of mark to the page to get it to save as an edit (minors count) so that the page will be re-rendered. Shame there's no way to do that by clicking a button or something. --Me at work 22:41, 4 Feb 2005 (PST)

Working on Global User message notification
I'm working on global user message notifications... This is a test.

Memory Alpha
Hi Jason, this is Florian from Memory Alpha. You managed to backup the english and dutch Memory Alpha, how long will it take to bring the german Memory Alpha back online? Or is it lost forever? -- Florian -     16:24, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * This is working again now. Sorry for the delay. Angela 18:27, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)

{SITENAME}
Hi Jason.

First of all, thanks for dealing with the technical side of setting of language websites for Miqra, and fixing the interlanguage links!

(Regarding the links, I'm not sure why but it still doesn't seem to work in Norwegian. Take a look.)

I have two other separate language questions; I decided to ask you about them on here on the talk page because they may be of importance to many projects.

1. Is there a way to set things up so that a person only has to log in once for all of the languages within a particular project?


 * This should already be the case. You only need to log in once to edit any Wikicity. Angela 19:10, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * You are right, it is working now. Thanks.

2. I saw that the "systems announcements" here uses what seesm to be a plugin template called SITENAME (which is a very good idea so that they can be easily reused in a number of different projects for each language). I couldn't find the template, though. If it would be of help, I could supply the sitename using characters from the various languages.


 * Sitename needs to be set in localsettings.php, which is not available via the wiki. If you let me or Jason know what you would like the sitename (and also the project namespace) to be, then we can change that on the server. Angela 19:10, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * In Hebrew, it should be the following four letters: <מקר�?>. In French and nn I think "Miqra" is probably fine, but I'll check.

I noticed that the Hebrew site was using an English version of "system announcements", then one taken from Hebrew Wikipedia, and now for some reason it is back to the English version. Not knowing the alphabet it might be hard for you to replace "Wikipedia" (in Hebrew) with SITENAME. I could supply the relevant texts if that would be any help.Zabek 13:57, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * This could be because you have English set in your preferences. Does it work if you change that to Hebrew? Angela 19:10, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * No, I knew that couldn't be it because the tabs are in English too. I checked to make sure, and the "sytem messages" are all English-version too.Zabek 20:44, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * I've replied at User talk:Zabek, but I couldn't change the sitename to מקר�?, so I'll leave that to Jason to answer. It came out as ???? when I saved the localsettings.php file. Angela 04:45, 12 Mar 2005 (GMT)

MediaWiki farm
Hi Jason. We talked on irc about the wikimedia-farm-extention, said you'll ask to company. Thank you very much. I hope that we may use it and best regards to all. MattisManzel 15:11, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)


 * There isn't an extension as such, and what we do is basically the same as the Wikimedia sites, other than also using single login. This is documented at wikidev. Angela 19:10, 8 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Google Search
Hi,

I have added a Google search box to my Wiki after Angela gave me the code. I am using 1.4 beta-6. I have added it to monobook.php which is fine, but the length of the Google section extends right across the page. I want it to be the same width as the navigation, search and toolbox section. I think I should be adding it to the code that controls the left hand side panel of each page, the quickbar I think its called?!?

Where do I find that code? And where should I add the Google link so that the text box and Google image appear after the search section and before the toolbox section along the left of the page? Thanks in advance... Alison

PS. Just noticed how a table of contents is created when new edits are added. Is this an automatic feature or how did you create that?

Thanks for your previous reply, its working perfectly now. So what about the table of contents. I think its a really neat little function.


 * The TOC is added automatically when you have more than three headers. To force it when you have less headers, use type or into the wiki page. To remove it, use . Angela 15:45, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

Image Upload
Hi, Jason, this is Weston from l5r.wikicities.com. I am trying to upload a new logo, but every time I try, I get these errors:

I've tried uploading under a different name, and the same thing happens. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, --WestonWyse 15:40, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * Image upload is broken on superstar: as well. It works on anime and www though. Angela 15:45, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * I don't know what you did, but it's working now. Thank you! --WestonWyse 23:04, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

NUMBEROFARTICLES
Hello Jason/Angela! I am Yanus, founder of conworld wikicity, and I've modified Main Page as to add number of articles currently in wiki (just like in wikipedia) using the Special:Statistics, but it showed -1 article. I thought that I've done mistake in coding, but Statistics special page sounds that we have 16 pages total, and '(sic!) meaningful articles. Is it some glitch or that's me? Sincerely, Yanus 07:03, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * This is a known bug which is also affecting Los Angeles and others. You might find the WikiStats more reliable than the Special:Statistics page. Angela 00:52, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * Or at least, you might if they were updated . . . -- 05:46, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)
 * Yes, dnd: is suffering from it as well. Is there something we can do about it, or just have to use the painfully-nonupdated WikiStats page?  (Which, mind you, doesn't even realize dnd: exists).   20:54, 3 Apr 2005 (EDT)

1.4rc to 1.4
Tell me how the transition goes (stable, bumpy, etc), because now that I'm pretty much administrator (that's what happens when you show someone you actually know how to use the software, sigh) of MozWiki, I'll need to know that.

Also, any tips on how to setup the Interwiki map script (because I can't seem to find the documentation on meta, or I couldn't a while back) would be appreciated. It seemed to use the c2 wiki's interwiki map (at least, it did back when i saw the bots script, can't find where it went in the structure now). And no, I don't intend to move my stuff there, or at least most of it. It's just another part of the wikiwikiworld. --Tom talk/Bliki 12:40, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Palk Bay
Hello Mr.Jason

I have created the 'palkbay.wikicities' site on 3 April 2005. I need your help in 2 issues:

1. I would like to upload .pdf (adobe acrobat) and zip files in the site. I am unable to do do it.

2. I would like to change the wikicities logo to our own logo. Inspite of going through the tutorial, I was unable to figure out the method.

Your help will will be deeply appreciated.

Thanking you

Yours Sincerely

Ramesh Radhakrishnan

yadhi65@yahoo.co.in


 * Hi Jason. I moved the above comment from your user page. I don't mind pdf being enabled, but zip could be dangerous. I'll answer Ramesh's other question on his talk page. Angela 08:36, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Site Validation
Any possibility of getting Bug 99 fixed? I know you're working hard on bug 105, but this seems to be one of the easier bugfixes to make (just add a ). --Tom talk/Bliki 13:35, 12 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Flash (SWF) Files to a Wikicity?
Hi, Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but: Is it possible to upload Flash files to a WikiCities site? This page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Miscellaneous) says it's possible to upload other types of files using altering the LocalSettings.php (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Miscellaneous). Is it possible to do that for a WikiCity? Thanks in advance, -:)Ben Pfwebadmin 19:56, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikicities logo
Hi Jason,

what license is the logo under? I would like to use the image in the hungarian Wikipedia, but hungarian law doesn't know fair use, so images can only be used with permission. Could you please place it under a free license (or at least one that allows its use in Wikipedia)?

Thanks, --hu:Tgr (152.66.212.151 20:53, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC))

interlanguage for conlang(s)
I am interested in addng interlanguage support to the conlang wikicity... particularly I am interested in adding interlanguage support for any variety of new languages, not just Mediawiki supported languages.

How should I proceed?

--Carlos Th (talk) 18:53, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for all the work you do to keep things running, especially the fixes over the past couple of days. --CocoaZen 02:34, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

sysop without rights?
Hi Jason! Angela gave me and Jonnyisback sysop-rights some days ago, but for some reason I don't have any additional rights, while Jonnyisback can delete and lock pages, edit locked pages...

Could you please check this? Thanks! -- FProg (   ) 16:37, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * Could you try again now. You're definitely listed at an admin at . Angela (talk) 21:26, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Chem
Chem exists on these wikis:

3dgame, academia, accounting, activeworlds, activism, afm, agoh, alaska, alevels, altereco, althistory, altscience, amazone, ancientcoins, ancientworld, animalcrossing, anime, ankara, anthropology, ao2, arbeitslos, archaeology, architecture, armoriale, artemisfowl, ashleesimpson, ashleesimpson, asimov, astronomy, asylum, audiorecording, australia, avatar, babylon5, babysign, bahrain, baltimore, bangalore, baseball, basket, batam, beer, beijing, berlin, bestpractices, biotechno, blogging, blogsome, boppard, boston, business_owns, bydgoszcz, camarilarequiem, camcorder, cantonese, cascadia, cascadia, celebrity, celiac, cell, censorship, charlesmunch, chicago, cities, cities, clocks, columbiamissouri, comedy, commdesign, community, computervision, concord, conferences, conlang, connectivity, conworld, couperin, cyclisme, d20npcs, dance, databasemanagement, datamining, datsun, debate, desencyclopedie, detroit, dfw, diablo, discgolf, disney, diy, dnd, dnd, dns, documentation, downsyndrome, dragaera, dragonball, dvdlab, dvdlab, dyslexia, dystopia, eagleparty, eberron, ecovillage, egytopia, eisenbahn, electoralreform, elektronik, email, encpp, enessences, engineering, enmiqra, ensages, eq2, erfurt, esclarion, esperanto, events, evolutionarybusiness, ewrestling, expressways, facialcleansingproducts, fadingsuns, featuregarden, Feuilleton, film, filmguide, finalfantasy, fineart, fisherymanagement, flink, footy, foundation, foundation, freebasic, freebsd, freetekno, frua, fundraising, futurama, future, gameinfo, gamemaker, games, garoumush, genealogy, geniusent, gknowledge, godzilla, golf, governmentsubmissions, grammar, granada, grapes, grixml, gta, guilds, haiti, harrypotter, hembygd, heraldry, hexen, highlandgames, homeschooling, homeworld, hongkong, honorverse, hoops, html, htpc, hunde, hypertext, iaudio, ib, idokorea, ignboards, india, industrialengineering, inferno, insurance, inteq, internationaldevelopment, internships, Intuite, inuyasha, inventions, ipod, istanbul, italia, jamesbond, japan, jc, joinme, journalism, judaism, judgedredd, kabbalah, kansascity, keene, kerala, korea, l5r, l5r, ladino, language, lasvegas, lawandorder, legal, Libertarian, linux, linuxstudio, litcrit, logic, lomac, londonontario, losangeles, lucid, lug, luxembourg, manga, marrach, marxbros, math, matrix, mediation, medicine, megaman, metodolcient, mexique, military, minang, minneapolis, miranda, mittelalter, money, moorhead, morrowind, motorsport, mpd, music, n, nagasaki, nashville, nashville, nationalparks, networking, neverend, neworleans, newyork, nickelodeon, nietzsche, nightsdawn, novelas, nwp, onderwijs, onweer, operabrowser, Oracle, p2p, pagan, pakistan, palkbay, parenting, pataphysics, pdamaps, pdf, peace, pearpc, peize, personals, pg2, philadelphia, philippines, phpbb, pipeorgans, pnw, poetry, pokemon, powerrangers, ppro, prenatal, prowrestling, pspree, psychographic, punk, quitsmoking, quiz, radioscanning, rct, realestate, refrator, religionwiki, renandstimpy, republiconline, reviews, rls, roadcycling, romhack, royalisme, rpg, runescape, russianworld, sage, sailormoon, salmesykkel, samplitude, sandiego, sca21, schoolcomputing, schools, scoop, scouting, scratchpad, scripting, search, sgwireless, shakira, shopping, sims, slektami, smarteam, snicket, snl, software, solarconquest, wikianswers, and wikimac.

Angela (talk) 21:26, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Request interlanguage support for Philosophy
Hello, Jason. After a brief discussion with Robert Harrison (next to me co-founder), we have decided that it would be wise to add multiple languages (i.e. interlanguage support) to our side. Back at the start of our wikicity I spoke to Angela where she told me that I should address you once I (we) made up my (our) mind(s). Well, we have, so can you tell me how to procede (or simply add it and give me a sign about accomplishment)? I'd appreciate it, so I could tell our audience (I direct a radio show on philosophy in Dijon) next week about our Wiki (and that it is in French too). Thanks in advance. JM.Beaubourg 19:39, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

CSS and ads for non-standard browsers
I can' t log in to bugzilla right now, but in case I forget when I'm home, I wanted to note that Wikicities is painfully broken on Web TV. It's all I have access to at the moment. Wikicities is worse than Wikipedia since the Google ads take up a third of the page and for some reason, the middle third is blank, leaving all content on one third of the screen. The huge font size, which I'm unable to adjust means very little text appears on a screen (around 50 words). I'm guessing the same is true for anyone trying to browse it on a mobile device. Would detecting the browser and removing ads for some of them be easy? If not, new skin, which is automatically applied for those browsers, would be useful. User:Angela

Making someone a SysOp
Hey, I'm the creator of a this Wiki: http://snicket.wikicities.com/wiki/ and I'm trying to make Celestianpower a SysOp, but it says I can't because I'M not a SysOp, even though I AM. I'm logged in an everything. Please help. Thanks.--Bottles98 21:24, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * I made you a "bureaucrat" on the wiki, so you should be able to make people sysops now. Sorry for the trouble. -- Jasonr 05:06, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for at least trying to help, but I still get the same error.
 * "The action you have requested can only be performed by users with 'sysop' status."
 * Any idea on what to try next? --Bottles98 20:10, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I just checked my work, and I put a space in a database field that isn't in the other fields.  That may have stopped it from working.  Give it another try and let me know.  If it still doesn't work, can you paste the URL that gives the error message?

Uploading insulin logs
Hi Jason -- we haven't spoken before, I'm Steve, admin for Diabetes in Pets. Possibly unusual request here -- many of our users keep their insulin logs in Excel format, and are far too computer-illiterate to consider converting them to anything else. I would hesitate to even ask many of them to export to .csv format, given all the choices that entails. Yet the wiki would benefit tremendously from a database of case histories, and that includes insulin logs.

The obvious solution is to ask people to fill in a preformatted (macro-free) Excel sheet and then upload it, or to upload their own macro free sheets. (Glucose meters can automatically upload to CSV format too.) But Excel sheets are not permitted, both on non-free grounds and on hazardous grounds (macro viruses). So what do you suggest instead?

Thanks, Steve w:c:petdiabetes:User talk:Steve and Jock

dvipng: command not found
Getting an error while editing math on a page on physics.wikicities.com : "dvipng reported a failure, namely: /home/wikicities/wiki/extensions/wikitex/wikitex.sh: line 1: dvipng: command not found".

Brockill 18:07, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * And a demonstration of the problem: here
 * Brockill 14:22, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * For whatever reason, things now look better (perhaps dvipng was on some unmounted volume before?) but the Latex rendering is still messed up - see the link above. It seems that the whitespace after the &lt;/math&gt; tag is not getting removed (it does in wikipedia).
 * Brockill 13:16, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I've had a missing dvipng as well. It seems to break a lot during preview but I've never had it actually error out on an actual page view. -- Jeffoh (talk) 20:44, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Also reported at 188. Angela (talk) 12:25, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Sorry.
I'm sorry for asking you this if it sounds dumb, but you know the Megaman Wiki well you should your an admin there. Um, I'm an admin as well. Well, the most active admin there left and now I'm stuck with an inactive wiki, so should I just let it fall apart since well I can't do much there since I'm just a Bureaucrat there and I can't make much changes, so you get the idea right? Bassium!

Main page hit count for Uncyclopedia
Hello, it's me again, the Uncyc crazy who bothered you on IRC a while back. Our main page hit counter is still missing about 540,000 hits or so (off the cuff estimate) from when one of our admins deleted the main page. If you could maybe look into that if it's fixable, that would be fantasmic...also, umm, I need those TPS reports by Friday, and I'm gonna have to ask you to come in Saturday too. That would be greaaaat. --Rcmurphy 02:43, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC) (I don't even like that movie)

English Memory Alpha Has White Background
There seems to be a problem with the background to the English Memory Alpha. Myself and several other users see a white background, not the article text background, but the one behind the logo and sidebars. The monobook has been edited several times (and reverted back), so it doesn't seem to be the problem. The background that Memory Alpha uses is located here. I was under the impression that as a Wikicities developer, you could perhaps look into it and figure out what the problem is. I have very little knowledge on these matters, and would not be able to report this as a bug if necessary.--Tim Thomason 07:22, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, that was somehow fixed (on my browser at least), about 3 minutes ago by Cid Highwind. Sorry to bother you, it was kind of bothersome after a few hours.--Tim Thomason 09:59, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Changing navigation bar
Hi, Jason: My name's Danny, I'm one of the admins on Muppet Wiki. Is there a way I can add "Category index" to the navigation box? A few users have asked me about it; it would a really helpful navigation tool. Please let me know if that's possible. Thank you! -- Toughpigs 05:21, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I can manually add items to the config. I'm planning an upgrade very soon (I'm hoping for next week) that will allow you to easily add things to the sidebar on your own.  I've added the link.  Let me know whether or not it looks th way you want it. -- Jasonr 20:09, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That's perfect. Thank you very much! -- Toughpigs 21:10, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Section Editting
I got a puzzling problem with doing section edits on the San Francisco Wiki. Near as I can tell, clicking on the 'Edit' should also allow editing of the section below the 'Edit'. However, with the San Francisco Wiki, I'm often being given the section above instead. This is particularly a nuisance if the section to be edited is the last one on the page, in which case section editting is effectively blocked. Any idea what is going on?? --Kirk 22:48, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm noticing the same thing, and I think it's system wide. May be a setting in the latest version.  Chadlupkes 22:57, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Very odd.  I'll look into this. -- Jasonr 17:49, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Some settings ignored?
Hi, Jason. I've uploaded MediaWiki:Favicon.ico a couple of days ago to Clean City, but still, it doesn't appear in the browser.
 * The favicon is displaying on my browser... What browser are you using? -- Jasonr 16:41, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm using Opera 8.5. Favicons of other sites are properly shown. -- zooloo 23:34, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sidebar also seems to be ignored. What am I doing wrong? -- zooloo 22:32, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki:Sidebar is ignored because we are still running a version of the software that does not include support for the sidebar. We'll be upgrading soon. -- Jasonr 16:38, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks.

(later:) Hmm, right now the body background-color is missing, too. This probably isn't a browser cache issue, because I have to hard-reload at least one page on each slight design change anyway, i. e. currently several times a day. I'd appreciate every hint. -- zooloo 08:06, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look into that. -- Jasonr 16:38, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Confusingly, this issue has disappeared now. However, it was not the first time a change of the body background caused the latter to be plainly white for hours, regardless of any browser cache refreshes. -- zooloo 23:34, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I have a few questions, I hope you can answer them. Is Wikicities getting a MediaWiki upgrade soon? The newer versions have numerous advantages including the meta tags controlling the robots for deleted pages, etc. Secondly, is it possible for you to remove my handle from this page? And lastly, can you rename me to User:Water Bottle? Since renameusers is not a MediaWiki thing and even bureaucrats can do it, I thought you would be the appropriate person to ask. Thank you. -- WB 09:37, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Popular pages missing
Hi, Jason -- Yesterday, the Popular pages page stopped working on Muppet Wiki. We feel very unpopular all of a sudden. Do you know what caused that? -- Danny Toughpigs 17:19, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jason -- Also, our stats page doesn't work... I'd appreciate your help, thanks! -- Danny Toughpigs 21:46, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Stats page updates?
Hello Jason, I was just wondering if we could have an update on the Star Wars Wiki stats page. Cheers! --Azizlight 01:04, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)

template
Hello - I have an Armenian wiki which I've been working on a while (armeniapedia.org) and like the way you've layed out your page. Could you please email me a copy of your templates/xhtml_slim.php file so I can see how you did it? It would be much appreciated since I am a php novice. Thanks! raffi @ cilicia. com