Adoption:Code Geass Wiki (3)

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'''What is your username? ''' CodeGeassFan83

Please link to the wiki here: Code Geass Wiki

'''How many edits have you made on that wiki? ''' Hard to determine as I was active and editing before I made an actual account. 121 edits since the creation of the account

'''How many days/months have you been editing there? ''' The account was made July 24, 2018, but I've been editing for 1-2 months before that.

On the Special Pages → Special:ListAdmins when was the last time an admin edited, and who was it?

Lelouch Di Britannia, (bureaucrat) May 5 2018

BahamutX978, November 10 2018 (see additional notes below)

Pokemonfan201, October 31 2018 (see additional notes below)

Any other information:  The problem is less the activity of the admins, and more the behavior which is not in line with the spirit of what an admin is or should do. I quote the code of conduct for Admins: "Administrators should not use their administrator powers to settle  editing disputes; for example, to lock a page on a version he or she prefers in an editing dispute that isn't vandalism. Administrator powers should be used to help keep the wiki clear of vandalism, spam, and users who make malicious edits, but not for simple disagreements between  users acting in good faith. Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered "in charge". The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community."

And that is where the problem lies, as BahamutX978 acts as if he owns the wiki. There is a page which contains a list of the official statements made by the show staff (page made by yours truly). This page has been floating in "limbo" since its creation. Even the wiki itself warns that the page is unconnected to the rest, "orphaned": currently nr 13 on [//codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Special:LonelyPages https://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Special:LonelyPages], and thus can not be found by using internal navigation. Because only an admin can make the necessary changes for that, I have requested from Bahamut to add it to the site navigation. Bahamut, however, refused to add the page to the wikia navigation citing that the page was:

1) unneeded. But those are official statements from the very people who made the show. This information is on the same level as air dates and production info, or perhaps even higher because they deal directly with the content of the anime. It's not up to an admin to decide what is interesting enough to be part of the wikia. Add the page and let the users decide whether they are interested enough to visit it.

2) of poor quality. When asked what was lacking and how it could be improved he merely waved it away with an "I don't know" and has refused to help. Subjective as this may be, the page looks just as any other info page and, more importantly, the info is factually correct. The English is correct and eloquent, the structure is clear and understandable, and so on. This is just a bogus argument, an excuse.

3) "consists merely of forum posts". This is factually untrue. The posts consists, among others, of a direct link to the official statements on the twitter account of the writer, pictures of the official guide book and of the relevant passages, pictures of various interviews in Japanese magazines, and so on. Everything is sourced properly where possible. Admittedly, some of the direct sources are simply impossible to trace, such as the live commentary of the director and the writer during an event, but their words have been reported independently by several people, and these indirect sources have been mentioned and linked. The claim that the page is "merely forum posts" is downright false, and frankly ridiculous.

Over a span of several months I have poked Bahamut a few times, asking for his opinion on the improvements of the page, asking for assistance and such. Usually he just flat out ignored me. Other times he just gave non answers as "I don't know" or "I'm busy with the mech pages". And that is part of the problem, while Bahamut may be actively editing, he is only working on his pet project, the mech pages and giving everything else the cold shoulder.

Therefore, I decided to simply add links myself on existing pages where it was relevant to link to the orphaned page. This was however undone by Bahamut.

Since Bahamut refused cooperation of any form, I turned to the other admins and asked their asistance/opinion. NOT ONE of them bothered to even reply to me. Lelouch Di Britannia has even been absent for over half a year! And Bahamut immediately responded to me that I had to stop pestering others. When I pointed out I was merely asking admins to do their admin duties (such as embedding orphaned pages) he ... was "unamused".

So that's how the situation is and has been for months now, which is not reflected by the activity log. Bahamut acts as if he is the owner and master of the wikia, and that he has the authority to decide what the users can find interesting, and that pages which don't interest him personally belong in limbo. Lelouch is simply absent, and Pokemonfan doesn't act or react at all. If I remember correctly there used to be another admin, but his name is not on the admin page so I guess he resigned. And this is why I request to be made admin, or bureaucrat since bureaucrat Lelouch hasn't been seen in ages and doesn't react to any people posting on his talk page. Asking for your help seems to be the best solution to this awkward situation without escalating anything. When given the proper means, I will rectify this situation and properly embed the orphaned page without any sign of spite on my side. After that I will cooperate with Bahamut without any grudges to make the Code Geass wiki the best, most accurate and most complete wikia online!

i apologize for the long text, but the situation was complex and had already quite a bit of history. I thank you for your time.

I advise you to make a blog post telling the community at the wiki that you are considering adoption, to let them know. Also, if Bahamut still refuses to listen to you, try taking the issue to Special:Contact. You may also want Pokemonfan201 permission to adopt the community as well, or if they adopt the wiki, ask them to promote you.  Ẹ Č Ĥ Ỗ Ƥ Ã Ŵ 🎄 07:12, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

Over the course of this half year I have already made 2 forum posts about it, but they went entirely ignored. It seems nobody uses that forum anyway; So I think that making a public statement won't help.

Reaching out to Pokemonfan also won't do much good as I attempted to contact him/her before and was met with a backlash of hostility by Bahamut who ordered me to "stop pestering people". A direct confrontation won't bring anything good, which is why I ended up deciding contacting the higher ups here.

- CodeGeassFan83


 * Oh sorry, I didn't see the forums. It's a shame that the community is ignoring it, maybe no one saw the forum? You may just have to report Bahamut to Special:Contact, and wait for the issue to be solved by the staff.  Ẹ Č Ĥ Ỗ Ƥ Ã Ŵ 🎄

If that turns out to be my only option, I will have no choice but to do it. Though I'd rather not end up reporting people if possible. Apart from this issue, Bahamut does do a decent job and an escalation of the situation benefits nobody. That's why I'd rather just be given the means to do what he refuses to do. I can't wrap my head around why he so adamantly refuses to embed the page, keeping it unfindable and thus practically speaking voiding its existence. If I were to speculate it may be because the official information contradicts a certain fan theory and maybe he wants to censor that? Just a guess, though.

Of course, the issue is larger than just that one page, it's the attitude of thinking he is the owner of the wikia and that has the authority to decide what users can find interesting. So perhaps in that case reporting is the right way to go after all. We'll see. In that case, too, I'd want to be able to protect myself and my work from retaliation. Even if reporting is anonymous, it'll be obvious who was the whistleblower. And the only way to maintain the security on the long term, is becoming an admin/bureaucrat.

- CodeGeassFan83


 * If Bahamut's behaviour gets very bad, then report them. But for now, you may just have to wait and see if they either respond or stop their attitude towards the wiki. Good luck.  Ẹ Č Ĥ Ỗ Ƥ Ã Ŵ 🎄 03:13, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

As Echopaw stated, you are advised to take this to Special:Contact or discuss it within the community, although the latter is usually preferred by staff. These are really your only two options, as you are currently ineligible to adopt the wiki as several admins have edited within the past 2 months. Good luck, hope things get better on the wiki for you. -- akumi   (Need something~?)  18:33, November 25, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello. Because there are two active admins (syops), you would need written support from both of them for your adoption, which is clearly not going to happen based on your interactions with one of the admins. As stated, staff does not get involved with the decisions of wiki admins (unless there is a Terms of Use violation). Maybe consider adding a link to the page you started on the character's page for which the official statements are about. You could also include a link in a reply to this Discussion thread from last month. JoePlay https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/e/e5/FandomStaff.png (talk)  19:19, November 26, 2018 (UTC)