User talk:Monchoman45/SigReal

Editing your sig
"please do not edit my sig, it is used on thousands of pages and each edit greatly stresses the jobqueue" - Just to point out, while editing your sig (or any page transcluded onto other pages) does indeed add all pages transcluding it to the job queue, reverting an edit also does so, but it does not remove the previous jobs.

In addition, this is part of the reason it is recommended that signature templates be substituted, rather than transcluded, onto pages - the signature template of a prolific editor is basically a high-use template, with all the associated problems of editing and vandalism. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:02, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was about to say that. At least Dinoguy1000's version saves a lot of HTML code and thus CPU time the parser needs for rendering the page --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:05, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Both of these are irrelevant - firstly, if you knew it would stress the jobqueue, you shouldn't have edited it in the first place. Yes, I do agree that your code is better; I originally wrote this sig when I had little understanding of HTML (I wouldn't use  if I were to write it again today). Secondly, as it is mostly HTML, the wikitext parser will ignore it, thus Wikia's servers don't see any change in performance. The browser would, however, take a few milliseconds less when rendering it - this is unnoticeable to the human eye, and thus is not important.


 * Monchoman, HTML code does indeed put stress on the MediaWiki parser. Just FYI, everything between &lt; and &gt; is parsed and filtered, to allow only specific HTML tags to be outputted, passing by several function hooks for each tag. Also it checks for every HTML attribute those tags have, and specially the style="" attribute, since it also parses the contents to strip out malicious or unallowed code (like filter: or background-image: etc.). Your signature isn't probably too complex to be a problem, but there's a change in performance. Probably unnoticeable on Wikia's servers, but there's a change. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:20, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Regardless, as you said, is it unnoticeable, and is still irrelevant. Again, I know Dinoguy's code is better; I'm not disputing that, but to significantly disrupt the jobqueue for a change in a few milliseconds of parsing time is not worth it.


 * Ok, that's fine. I've just informed you about performance impact on wiki/HTML code, so next time you face a similar situation, if the edit is good, you leave it as it is instead of just reverting, which is what significantly disrupt the jobqueue. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:31, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It should not have been edited in the first place. Reverting the changes reinforces the idea that it should not be edited. Were I able to, I would have protected it to avoid exactly this situation. Discussion over.


 * That's assuming I knew it would cause a hit on the job queue; I had no such inkling, since I thought (and did not check to confirm) that your sig is substituted when you comment (and, knowing now that it isn't, I'd strongly recommend that you start doing so).
 * Regardless, you're worrying far too much about the stress on the job queue. I'm the main template editor on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia, and my work regularly (not often, per se, but enough to be more than "occasionally" or "sporadically") requires me to edit templates with hundreds and even thousands of transclusions, often for far less net benefit than my edit to your sig provides. On top of this, many such edits involve - and many of the templates make heavy use of - SMW, which is particularly server-intensive. In spite of this, my edits in and of themselves have yet to cause any major problems on Wikia's end unless I do something particularly stupid, or their servers are already having an unusually bad day. Generally, I don't worry too much about performance, and to be honest, neither should you - if you do something Wikia doesn't want, they'll let you know quickly enough, and other than that, server health is their problem, not yours (though I'm not saying you should do stuff that you know will cause problems... it's about exercising common sense). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:23, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, to put an end to all of this, Monchoman45 is not required to change his sig and if he does not want to, he does not have to. Simply put, do not edit his sig. No need to carry on with this argument.--


 * I'm aware of that; neither of my comments makes any suggestion that I'm trying to force him to change it again (at least to me; if it does indeed come off that way to you or to him, be assured (for whatever my assurance is worth ;) ) that such was not my intent). He was also well within his rights to revert my initial edit; if anything, I was the one out of line for making it, though being a former Wikipedian, I subscribe to the bold philosophy (and, as is evident here, its close corollary bold, revert, discuss). I would have let it go entirely were it not for his edit summary, which suggested, to me at least, some level of misunderstanding on just how the job queue works. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:50, October 23, 2011 (UTC)