User talk:Angela

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.Blocked in Starcraft Wikia
Hi Angela, PsiSeveredHead blocked me from the Starcraft Wikia without any warning. I think he did so accidentally, because he Reverted an edit made to some random guy to the previous edit, which was my version. Please check the article's history: --Gonzalo84 20:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Angela, you're an angel.--Gonzalo84 04:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Uploading problems
Hi Angela, my wiki (Wikination) doesn't upload my images. I tried (more than once) to upload some images from Wikimedia Commons (.png), but every time i got this message: Could not copy file "/tmp/phpxep6aL" to "/images/nation/images/1/19/Communication.png". What can I do about this? The strangest thing is, yesterday and the days before i've uploaded images (also .png) and there was no problem at all... 13:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything I try doesn't work. And if I upload the image on an other site or Wikia, there is no problem... 15:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Now it's also at Wikistad now. 17:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

See here: Forum:Can't upload images -- 17:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This was a temporary problem on all wikia. It's been fixed now. Sorry for the problems that caused. We're setting up alarms on the image server to make sure we're alerted before it happens again. Angela (talk)
 * Thanks! 15:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Questions
Is it possible to make a 'timeline', like it's done here? And the Special:Activeusers, when will it be refreshed (at Wikistad?) because I have the impression that it isn't refreshed for a long time at Wikistad. 17:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And why are the Google Maps not working on Wikistad ? :-S 19:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Re: ???
Ok. I understand that. It makes sense. Thanks for answering. General Grhamtalk 19:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

New STEU admin
I hope I can get this done without 50,000 questions: I'm an admin over on Star Trek Expanded Universe, one of four, but the other three are hardly active, occupied as they are by real-life matters (and two of them are just kids). Therefore, can you make User:Jrofeta an admin for us? He's quite active, has the community's trust and respect (and mine), and I'm confident he'll handle it responsibly. As we're all busy with our own lives, and I'm the only admin currently keeping an ever-watchful eye on things around there, I could use (and need) the help. We'd appreciate your attention to this. Thank you, --Sasoriza 21:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If the admins are inactive, I think that Jrofeta should be made an admin and Sasoriza a bueracrat, but that is just my opinion. General Grhamtalk 11:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Angela, thank you again for taking care of that.
 * Luke80 is still active ... and is a bureaucrat, so he can make other admins and bureaucrats too

I realize this; however, his involvement is actually rather thin and sporadic, and designed to serve his own interests, not the wiki as we've set our standards. This is nothing against him personally; but he's a teenager and trying to get him to do something is like trying to get a teenager to clean his room. (Incidentally, he is a teenager.) He treats it more as "his" wiki. And, he can make others bureaucrats? I was under the impression only stewards can do that, on Wikia. When others suggested I receive bureaucrat status (having only the wiki's interests in mind), I was ignored. Anyway, thanks again. --Sasoriza 05:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Transparetize
Hey Angela, could you transparentize the logos for this wiki and this wiki?&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 20:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Captive IRC
The RuneScape Wiki's IRC channel (#rswiki on Freenode) is under the full control of Clv309, or Christine, as she likes to be called. Christine is a sysop and a very hard-working contributor. She regularly reverts vandalism, blocks vandals, deletes speedy deletion candidates and unused images, and welcomes new users to the wiki. She often undertakes large projects when editing to make content consistent, and is very dedicated to her projects.

However, she is also often involved in conflict with many other members of the wiki. The wiki is currently in a state of turmoil due to a series of major conflicts over content and community issues, and Christine has been involved in almost all of them. Although many of the user on RSW have short tempers (myself included), Christine seems to seek out arguments. For example, when Chiafriend12 made "Tavvy" redirect to "Taverley" she deleted it, saying it was unnecessary, and deleted it multiple times after it was recreated. When the issue was brought up on a VFD, she flamed Chia, saying that he was making unnecessary redirects to pad his editcount, and he wasn't doing anything which was actually useful.

Another time, I saw that recent changes was filled with minor edits Christine had made to item articles. When I looked at the differences, I saw that she was replacing the commas in the prices of items with. I posted a short message on her talk page asking her why she was using the non-breaking space, and she responded harshly on my talk page, saying I was edit policing and watching "every fucking edit" she made. She also gave me a link to another user's talk page, where the user had told her that non-breaking spaces should be used to avoid confusion, as decimals are used to separate decimal places in Europe, while commas are used to separate decimal places in the United States, so the non-breaking space would be understood by all and wouldn't separate the number onto two lines like a normal space would. This was a good reason, but she was very defensive and aggressive in her response.

She has aggressively opposed Cashman286 on many issues. Cashman is a fairly longtime user who does not contribute much to the mainspace, but is pretty active in community discussions. He has a strong ambition to be a sysop, and has nominated himself five times (his fifth nomination is still running), but has failed each time. Despite this, he keeps a positive outlook and is never discouraged. Christine seems to think that he is unintelligent and does nothing to help the wiki because of his multiple self-nominations and low editcount. She has opposed each of his RFAs, and flamed him a number of times.

On Cashman's latest RFA, there has been a considerable amount of conflict, which Christine has been significantly involved in. Due to other conflict and flaming caused by RFAs recently, many members of the wiki participated in a discussion in the wiki's IRC channel (#rswiki on Freenode). Due to the issues caused by the voting process on the wiki, we decided to mute the channel and give each wikian a chance to point out Cashman's strengths and weaknesses while the rest of us listened. Whiplash, our most active bureaucrat, and myself (a lowly sysop =); my RfB was declared unsuccessful by a partially inactive bureaucrat although it had 2/3 support due to lack of consensus) were opped and were moderating the discussion, although most of our administrators have the ability to self-op themselves in the IRC. While Ilyas, another of our sysops, and I were each giving our opinions on Cashman as a contributors, Christine interrupted us several times. When Ilyas said that Cashman was helpful as an overall contributor, Christine opped herself to say "is not". I de-opped Christine and asked her to stop interrupting others, and she opped herself to say "asshole". After a few more had each taken a turn speaking, Whiplash said that he had to leave, and told me to supervise the discussion. I attempted to prevent the speaker from being interrupted, but Christine repeatedly opped herself, and warned me not to de-op her. When I did, she removed me from the #rswiki access list so that I couldn't op myself. When our IRC channel was set up by Oddlyoko, one of our bureaucrats, she was made one of the three channel contacts because she was fairly knowledgeable in IRCs, along with Oddlyoko and Endasil, another knowledgeable IRC user. Since, Oddlyoko and Endasil have become inactive, leaving Christine in full control of our IRC channel.

Removal of an admin from the access list is a violation of our block policy as it was done to gain an advantage in a discussion. Christine refused to be reasonable, although I had been told by Whiplash to supervise the discussion. When the discussion died down and one of the few users left asked what we had accomplished, she said that she had "removed Gang from the access list, if that counts."

Normally, I would try to sort out an IRC matter in the IRC without bringing it up on the wiki, but I can do nothing because she has full control of the IRC. Due to the history of conflict, I ask that you try to convince her to add me to the access list and give Whiplash or Ilyas contact status for the channel, as I doubt that she will listen to me, and I don't want to start another block or flame war on the wiki. If she refuses, the wiki may need a new IRC channel, as she can simply ban anyone who disagrees with her. I also ask that she be temporarily de-sysopped if she refuses, as Dreadnought recently was for flaming. Although her contributions are valuable and she uses her sysop powers well, she has also abused them. However, I would prefer that the situation be solved with minimal conflict, and I hope that she can agree and avoid any fighting. Thanks, Gangsterls01:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll join the channel to talk about it now. Angela (talk) 04:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point several things out here.


 * 1) I was not the only one who deleted the Tavvy redirect, Gangsterls himself even deleted it. Three times. Also, I don't even see where I accused anyone of padding their edit count.
 * 2) I am not the only one to oppose Cashman on his RfA. The arguments made against him are valid, and he barely has 56% support. Its unfair of Whiplash to agree to sysop Cashman when the community as a whole does not support him. I continue to oppose him because I do not feel he is doing anything to improve, something that 1 or 2 other editors have pointed out before me, which I agree with.
 * 3) About the non-breaking spaces: first, it was not my talk page I referred Gangsterls to. Second, this was not the first time he had watched my edits. Previously he had deleted 30 or so redirects I had created, also calling them useless and accusing me of padding my edit count (hypocrite much? And to add fuel to the fire, the next day he also created redirects much like the ones I had, using capitals for second words).
 * 4) I called Gangsterls an asshole for continually deopping me. No less than 10 times. He seemed to feel that every sysop besides me had the ability to control themselves while other people were talking. And yes, there were times where it was everyone but me. I interrupted once and then when back to editing on the wiki, however if he had stopped deopping me and therefore stopped highlighting me, I wouldn't have said anything more. I didn't like the way the discussion was set up and did not completely want to participate. In fact I never got a chance to speak at all. I removed Gangsterls from the access list because he felt he was the only one who should be able to talk at all. Whiplash is a 'crat, however that does not give him authority over everyone and everything. Gangsterls continued to deop me, and kicked me twice, even after telling him at least twice to stop. I feel this was abuse of his power so to prevent him from anymore op wars I took him off the list and deopped everyone, including myself.


 * There is another sysop who has mentioned Gangsterls once had an op war when we started to enforce the no-op unless necessary policy that Freenode has. Apparently Gangsterls refused to deop. There's a bit more to this story and this person has agreed to talk to you over IRC PM if you'd like to hear it. Christine 18:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Christine, you were offered a chance to speak and turned it down. I wasn't speaking at all, I was only stopping those interrupting the speaker. I deopped you because you were continually interrupting. Cashman is not flawless as a user and may not be the best candidate for adminship, but you fight with him almost constantly, including today. You lose your temper and write entire sentences in capital letters. I didn't post here to argue or gain support for Cashman's nomination, as no consensus has even been reached. The "op war" you refer to occurred months ago when the policy was changed to only be opped if necessary, and I wasn't informed and was constantly deopped. When this was explained to me I did deop, as I understood the policy, and didn't insist on being opped. You do not have the sole right to regulate the IRC as you want and interrupt the speaker when everyone is being given a fair chance; indeed you turned your chance to speak down when Ilyas asked if you wanted to speak. You shouldn't be allowed to control the IRC according to your whims, especially when you do so like a tyrant. Gangsterls23:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not my fault, Gangsterls, that the only other 2 contacts have gone inactive. And yes I refused Ilyas's offer because as I said, I was busy and I also did not appreciate being spoken to so condescendingly. That also does not address the other points that I have a rebuttal for, because you implying that everything is my fault will not fly. Not everyone has such an issue with me as you and Cashman do. Christine 19:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi... this isn't a good place to continue arguing. I'll join #rswiki again tomorrow and try to find a time when you're both online to talk more about this. Angela (talk) 18:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

World of Warcraft: Thorium Brotherhood Wiki SysOps Behavior
Hello, Angela.

I participate in the Thorium Brotherhood Wikia, which serves to primarily house roleplaying character information. I previously had a list of my characters on my user page. I logged in earlier today to find that Toph had a character page that I did not make for her. I found to my surprise that one of the SysOps, Staccato, had made a page for one of my characters stating "earthbending, lol". I do not personally know Staccato. I have never interacted with her in any way, shape, or form. I assume she created the page in an effort to mock the reference made in the character's name to a popular animated character also named Toph.

The rules for the Wikia clearly state: "4) Do Not Vandalize. Do not edit or tamper with anyone's wikipedia page but your own, unless the owner is okay with the idea before-hand. This extends to images. This is the easiest, and most often sought, way to get banned."

What Staccato did is in clear violation of the rules. The offending page has been deleted, but I saved the screenshots of the page and the page history showing Staccato made an entirely new page and did not edit a pre-existing placeholder.

Character Page

Page History

I feel that this is inappropriate behavior for a SysOps to have and have been informed that this isn't the first time she has done things to the Wikia or said things regarding the Wikia simply to stir the pot.

Please contact me on my user page with regards to any information or assistance you can offer on this matter. Thank you for your time. Redclover 21:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding this here, just in case: I don't know Staccato, I don't see why they felt the need to make a page for one of my characters mocking the name I chose. The screenshot states that it was roughly three weeks ago, not "quite a few months ago". Staccato is also responsible for this particular page. Is this really appropriate behavior for a SysOps to have? Redclover 19:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

IRC (cloak)
Hi,

I have done all that is required (i think). I've registered both TulipVorlax and Tulip_Vorlax with the Freenode nickserv. Same password. Email assigned to the first one and the second one is linked.

I'm not sure when i'll be available. I have lot of free time but i dont live alone and i sometimes have housework to do or must go out... i'll spare you the details. Does Freenode staff just want us to be connected or does they want to speak with us ? In the first case, i could easily left my client connected.

So that's it. Ready for cloaking when your are. Thanks. TulipVorlax 17:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Most freenode staff don't need you to be online at the time, so don't feel you need to stay connected. Angela (talk) 19:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not stayed long. I think i dont like IRC much. But HydraIRC seems better than any clients i've previously tried.
 * So, was you able to do it anyway ? Feel free to respond on my own talk if you think it need my attention as i dont auto-watch things i edit anymore. It was flooding me of email... TulipVorlax 02:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem of valid user in Kalon wiki
Hi, please excuse me for my pitiful English.

You validated our demand of Kalon wiki creation  and we thank you for it. However, it turns out impossible to edit or to create a new article without preliminary connection, nor to create a valide user account, except my official user page. But I don’t I manage to validate a test account with the same IP address of connection. Besides, even have me valid account is not visible on the special page Listusers. Do you know the reason of these disfonctionements? Who do I have contact?

Friendly. --Ygonaar 12:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Good evening. I thank you for the speed and the precision for your answers.
 * I reassure a little you, I read a little better English than I write it. Having chosen "Uses new visual editor", the special page listuser is not indeed emptier.
 * I think understood the origin of problem of the not-valid accounts. The consultation without connection and the accounts users are by defaut on the option "QuartzSmoke". However I do not manage to edit a text with this mode. Nor with the mode "classic" moreover, I believe I ‘ll remain in "MonoBook" which does not pose any problem.
 * Problem is that in “QuartzSmoke” mode, there isn’t direct link towards the preferences. It is necessary to try edit an article to obtain this sentence in small police:
 * you edge switch to old editor in preferences here, for editing with CategoryCloud, uses this link
 * What seems to me a not very intuitive procedure. And which prevents any editor not-connected to contribute, since it cannot choose preferences (I doesn’t know "CategoryCloud" procedure).  Can one pass Kalonopédia in "MonoBook" mode by defaut?


 * Thanks
 * Friendly.--Ygonaar 21:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Issue on the Gears of War wiki
Hey Angela, I am having issues with allowing a user Sysop rights on the GOW Wiki, I will get to the page, put the name in and hit submit. But a page loads with a blank white screen and the adress of it is; http://gearsofwar.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Makesysop&action=submit If you can either fix it, gimme a hint on doing it right, or doing it yourself I would appreciate it. Oh yes, the user is w:c:gearsofwar:user:Ikinator|Ikinator]]

Your thanks.

-- Darth tader Stop by 21:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Volunteering as an admin for Vanguard wiki
Just a brief note in addition to the message I placed here to let you know I'd like to volunteer to help out with the VG wiki. Thanks!

Question for Star Wars MUSH Wiki
Hi Angela, I'm an administrator at the Star Wars MUSH Wiki (http://sw1mush.wikia.com), and I have a question regarding namespaces and articles... early in the Wiki's history, we had a namespace set up, "RPlog," to serve as the pages to hold certain articles - roleplaying game logs that made up the story of the Star Wars game. The characters (players) interacting and what-not. However, I noticed that RPlog pages aren't included in the Wiki's article count (http://sw1mush.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics) - it's included in the "total page" count, but not "legitimate content" page count. My question is - is it possible to have RPlog pages included in the legitimate content page count? RPlog pages are definitely legitimate content - they are some of the most important pages on the Wiki, the substance of the game.

It's not absolutely necessary, I'm just wondering if it's possible and, if so, how to go about doing it. Thank you for your time. --Danik Kreldin 03:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it's possible, but I will check. Angela (talk) 08:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Separate "Project" namespace
Angela, on http://stexpanded.wikia.com/, we'd like to have a separate "Project:" namespace which actually gives "Project:", rather than the default namespace. (To be clear, when typing the link "Project:(PROJECTNAME)", it gives "DEFAULTNAMESPACE:(PROJECTNAME)".) Would you be so kind as to forward this request to the appropriate tech person? We're setting up improvement projects and would like to use that namespace, as it's something everyone can easily recognize (and takes up less space). (We'll also need a corollary Talk:Project namespace, naturally.) Thanks again for all your help. -- Sasoriza 07:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It isn't possible without changes to the code since project: is one of the generic namespaces. Due to the way code is shared between wikis, I don't think we can do this without affecting other wikis that rely on this redirect. Is there something else you could call that namespace instead of project? Another option is to use the actual project namespace for this, and move what is currently there to a new namespace. Angela (talk) 08:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Name change request: Vanguard Saga Of Heroes
Hi Angela. Thanks for sorting out my admin access over on VGSOH.

I hate to add to your workload, especially when moving house. Most stressful time in the world! If there's someone else I should ask feel free to point me in their direction.

Thing is, I think VGSOH could do with a name change. The project namespace is rather unwieldy due to the length of the game's name, even if we assume editors use 'Project:' for most things. I thought perhaps something short like Telonica might fit the bill (the game world's name is Telon). It should be instantly identifiable to most VG players and does not appear to be in use much elsewhere, at least according to Google.

The wiki is so inactive at present, I don't even know if I should bother asking for other users' input on the name? I can't see any recent edits over the last month or so (except mine). It seems to me if we were going to change the name, better now than a few months down the track.

Thanks very much for reading. Basie 02:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll make that change to the namespace now. It's probably best to leave the site title as it is to help people looking for a vanguard wiki to find this one. Angela (talk) 08:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, it will help index it on search engines etc. Thanks so much for your prompt attention to this, and best of luck with the move! Basie 20:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Image help and future adminship
I uploaded an image off of Flickr for the Titanic wiki, which I am adopting. I was also wondering, if a little later, adminship might be an option.

ADOPTING
I would like to adopt the Italina World of Warcraft wiki :)

Redattores@gmail.com this is my contact