Forum:Charitwo's sysop

Unless you haven't seen yet, charitwo's sysop was removed by Jen with no summary. I see no reason for this, and have to wonder why. As far as I know, the community members here appreciate Charitwo's work as an admin here. Am I wrong in that?


 * There was no reasoning for that as far as I know, except for Jen's apparent attempts to remove his sysop and vstf&hellip; 1358  (Talk)  18:37, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Monchoman45 and others - Charitwo and I, as well as other members of the Community Team staff, have had many conversations (including today) about what being an admin on Central means. Community Central is going through a lot of changes and we're looking at how to provide the absolute best service and help to all community members - new, old and somewhere in between. Charitwo is a dedicated member of the VSTF and we are happy to have him continue to be a part of that team, and the Central community. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 18:48, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose that means we get no say in it. Surprising 1358  (Talk)  18:51, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * None of that has anything to do with the point of the forum. You can't simply desysop someone because you feel like it, people will notice and I believe we deserve at the very least a reason other than "stuff changes".


 * It's between Charitwo and the staff. 19:35, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I find it to be horribly bad practice for staff to remove the rights of a user trusted with administrator privileges on over 300,000 wikis for, quite literally, no reason.


 * I think it should have been the staff making this announcement ,instead of just doing it and hoping no one sees it in the logs.I would like to see the reason /a brief statement by staff telling us the exact reason why Charitwo lost his sysop powers --Tama 63  20:14, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Hey Tama - we didn't have a chance! The forum was made before we were able to post about it. Moncho - I understand you disagree with this decision, but we're not going to go in to the specifics here. I trust people understand that we made the decision based on what we believe is in the best interest of both the active members of Community Central and those who "drive-by" looking for assistance. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 20:28, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, then staff should annouce it now then. -- Ben ( Talk ) 20:33, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * What i can gather then, the demotion was because of Charitwo's "Public Relations"?--Tama 63  20:35, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * No idea what happened, but really need a good reason for demoting someone who has done so much. I know you might think this is between you and him, but a short statement about this is really better then to leave this blank and stir up speculation.
 * Beside that, a great concern is brought up by Monchoman45 which is not adressed about possible abitrary decisions being made. Those fears need to be adressed or the loyalty of the users involved will deminish as well that it will be looking bad for the company.
 * As i said before, don't have a clue what happened nor the reasoning, and take this as advice, or simply ignore it, but it's better to adress such an event shortly even tough it might be painfull or bringing bad idea's to the surface. Not adressing it causes more issues usually.

Jen the issue being raised here is not so much about Charitwo in particular losing his sysop bit. The issue that our — yours and mine — fellow Wikians are raising is that the method of de-sysoping runs contrary to wiki tradition, custom, and principles. From Wikia’s perspective it was a staffing issue and wanting to ensure the best fit for “customer service”. However, for your fellow Wikians, the method and the manner is foreign to us. It makes us wonder: Is this a future we all might face on our home wikis? Might any of us be next, if traditional wiki de-sysoping processes no longer apply? Thanks! — Spike Toronto  22:13, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * On central, sysops are promoted in votes, namely Community Central:RfA. And because of that, a demotion should also be voted, unless a bad action is made, in which case it should be reasoned. I won't consider fair the demotion if that's because of an internal or off-wiki (community central) discussion involved by Charitwo and a Wikia Staff. Also, Jen, a very *very* bad action should have been done Charitwo for being demoted without being accompanied with a blog post or forum page. 4 hours and still waiting for a reason. I think JenBurton is abusing her position in Wikia as a Staff member to do things that should be left to other groups. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 22:19, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, sysops aren't voted on here. Since Wikia can appoint sysops as they please, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to remove them the same way tbh.  22:21, November 3, 2011 (UTC)