User blog comment:Rappy 4187/Technical Update: June 28, 2017/@comment-24258073-20170629232848/@comment-1611013-20170630223443

Okay well, I guess I'll respond to this.

"Of course, but at the end of the day, you still have Moderators who require supervision in order to function properly. If you want to do it that way then all the more power to you."

I wouldn't call one time instances "requiring supervision in order to function properly". I'd call that dealing with a one time issue of a moderator acting inappropriately.

"It’s not that the ability to use kicks on mods hinders your ability to find good mods, it’s that the ability to use kicks makes it easier to rationalize the promotion of bad mods who are literally unreliable without Administrator supervision. A mistake is one thing, refusal or inability to stop making that mistake to the point where only forceful ejection from chat can stop the problem, is not."

I don't know about you, but never once in my time on wikia have I rationalized having bad moderators because of the ability to kick them when they do something wrong. The only thing it's done for me is serve as an additional tool in dealing with them in the rare scenario where it happens. If a moderator continued their poor behavior, whether or not the ability to kick is something I have, then they would most likely face a demotion. As they have in the past on my wiki. I never tried to argue that a mod with recurring behavioral issues is fine because I can always kick them, or that it's fine to have a mod that needs constant moderating of their own.

"The problem is that you need to kick them at all. That you need to moderate your moderators in order for them to do their job properly is the problem. They should be the ones responsible enough to moderate others, not the ones who are so irresponsible as to need moderation."

I don't see how that's a problem, when, like you said, the alternative to that is talking to them about why their behavior is wrong. By that logic, having to talk to them at all is a problem, which brings us back to demoting them for a small issue. Additionally, making one or two small mistakes doesn't automatically make a chat moderator irresponsible or in need of moderation. Mistakes happen, that doesn't make them bad at their job.

"I am simply explaining why it is that I personally do not take issue with this change, I’m sure that when next Fandom tries to take away another Admin tool, I, likely as not, will be on your side of the argument depending on the rationale for the removal."

Fair enough; I think we should just agree to disagree and bring this to an end.