Thread:Karasuneth/@comment-25558425-20201222010711

Howdy,

I'm back and I wanted to explain once again the reasoning behind my belief that UAF is not a successor clan to the Crimson Knights, a claim which resulted in my being blocked from the wiki for arguing "in bad faith" (BlockID = 14060) on the Urban Assault Forces wiki page (https://roblox.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Assault_Forces).

Sellethore, the founder of UAF, has a profile located at this address (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/profile/). At this address, you can locate his decals ( https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/decals), his shirts (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/shirts), and his places (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/places). Though Sellethore eventually switched to the account "Infinitive" (https://www.roblox.com/users/7644128/profile#!/about), this switch could not have taken place earlier than 4/21/2010, the creation data for the account. Since the Infinitive account was created after the purported tenure of the "Crimson Knights" (2009, according to TrajanVanderall's edit of the UAF wiki), I have omitted any reference to it in the subsequent sections. All references to an account are references to the Sellethore account, which was created 6/23/2008.

Of his decals (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/decals), exactly 0 have any relation to CK. However, there is one dating back to 2/21/2010 (UAF's official founding) which does mention UAF explicitly (https://www.roblox.com/library/22729961/UAFlogo). Most of his early decals have some affiliation with the United Clan of ROBLOX (UCR). I have provided the link to Sellethore's decals for your verification.

Of his shirts (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/shirts), you will find exactly 0 mentions of CK whatsoever. Instead, the earliest shirts pertaining to UAF OR CK (https://www.roblox.com/catalog/22726651/UAF-Private-shirt) date back to 3/13/2010 and exclusively reference UAF, not CK. I have provided the link to Sellethore's shirts for your verification.

Of his places (https://www.roblox.com/users/554630/inventory/#!/places), exactly zero have any reference to CK. Instead, his oldest places date back to 2008 (https://www.roblox.com/games/6515637/UAF-Main-HQ) and mention UAF explicitly. The oldest fort is also affiliated with UAF (https://www.roblox.com/games/6519582/UAF-Fort-Deuce) and dates back to 12/23/2008). You will find, at the above link, no places related to CK whatsoever. I have provided the link to Sellethore's places for your verification.

With all of this being said, I cannot see why you have come to believe that the Urban Assault Forces is a successor can to the Crimson Knights, since its' founder owns no places, no shirts, and no decals associated with it on the ROBLOX platform. He likewise has no paraphernalia affiliated with CK in his models, his pants, his badges, or the rest of his inventory at the time of writing this post (12/21/2020 at 10:27 EST). As I stated previously, earlier versions of the wiki likewise make no reference to CK at all, the earliest being made by TrajanVanderall himself on June 9th, 2020 (https://roblox.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Assault_Forces?direction=next&oldid=882466). I believe, in this case, that absence of evidence is evidence of absence and would like to implore you to reconsider my motivations in challenging that particular claim on the wiki.

Furthermore, I would like to ask what evidence you do have in support of the claim that UAF is the successor clan to the Crimson Knights. I cannot be expected to believe a claim without evidence, and you purportedly have some to share. My attempts to get this evidence from TrajanVanderall have been spurned and I hope you have a greater commitment to transparency in this regard.

Unblocking would be nice. However, if you choose not to do so, please at least provide the evidence for the claim that UAF is a successor to CK. Since it does not appear that way based on the publicly available information I cited above.

-FalseWarrior000

EDIT1: Fixed some typos.

EDIT2: Added a brief message addressing Sellethore's alternative account "Infinitive", which he switched to at some point in 2010, in order to explain why it isn't referenced in subsequent sections of this post.

EDIT3: Originally referenced a decal "...predating UAF's official founding..." and have changed the wording to "...UAF's official founding..." since the decal was posted the day the clan was founded.

EDIT4: Sellethore's account was last online August 15, 2017 according to the database located here. https://www.roblox.com/games/2120256007/Check-a-Users-Last-Online-Info-Multiplayer

EDIT5: Crimson Knights was unowned in 2015, according to these two threads on the froast forum archives. I can find no other reference to the group's old URL (http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=799) in the froast archives. The group's new URL (https://www.roblox.com/groups/799/Crimson-Knights) likewise returns no hits in the froast archive. Thread 1 (https://archive.froast.io/forum/161134241) and Thread 2 (https://archive.froast.io/forum/163540575). Though it has no relevance to the early history of the clan (the period in question is 2009-2/21/2010), it helps to piece together what happened later on.

EDIT6: Additional data for your perusal - searching all shirts that were ever sold by Sellethore and Infinitive also yield no hits for CK, only UAF. This search through ROBLOX's catalog includes items which are no longer on sale.

Sellethore: https://www.roblox.com/catalog/?Category=3&Subcategory=12&CreatorName=Sellethore&SortType=3&IncludeNotForSale

Infinitive: https://www.roblox.com/catalog/?Category=3&Subcategory=12&CreatorName=infinitive&SortType=3&IncludeNotForSale 