Forum:How to .. use MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page to transclude a template into a newly created user page

At one time I thought that I had this working perfectly well but either I was mistaken or perhaps something has changed about the way MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page is copied to create a new user page.


 * My goal is to have the WikiText of a new user page include the following template call:

What I am finding is that the template is being evaluated and then the evaluated content is substituted into the new user page just as though  had been used. Simple transclusion is desired because the wikitext in that template is an inline semantic query so the content is supposed to be dynamic and not static.

It makes no difference whether I use The newly created user page is created just as though  had been used.
 * http://vsk.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Welcome-user-page or
 * http://vsk.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page/pushed_messages

If you have successfully done something similar then please share here.

-- najevi 04:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not possible. The system forces a substitution regardless of the methods used. -- 08:07, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That is not the advice I was hoping to read!
 * Is this a known bug or is the designed behavior deliberate?
 * If deliberate (i.e. by design) then what is the rationale?
 * -- najevi 03:32, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I supposed that they don't want all the users pages to update when we modify the included template. — TulipVorlax 04:40, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Najevi. It was a deliberate choice to have welcome messages substituted, so that brand new users aren't confronted with  on what may be their first interaction with wiki pages.  If they try to edit their talk page to respond to the welcome, they have simple wikitext that they can learn from, rather than something as opaque as template, infobox, or semantic code.


 * I'm sorry if this limits what you can present on the welcome message, but please remember that this should be kept as simple and friendly as possible anyway -- if you'd like to present a list of things the new user can help with, perhaps you can add it to MyHome or the Community Portal or a To Do page and provide an inviting link in the welcome message instead. Good luck!  — Catherine (talk) 19:23, January 4, 2010 (UTC)