Board Thread:Support Requests - Getting Started/@comment-203328-20180607165314/@comment-195370-20180609085247

Hey Techno, thanks for taking the time to respond.

I think we come down to a critical difference of opinion here and we should leave it at that.

That beautiful page over at w:c:wowwiki:Druid is the perfect example of my point in all this. I can't understand why or how anyone could compare the user experience under Mercury to the user experience on mobile using the View Full Site option. If you truly think that the Mercury version is even slightly comparable... Well, I can see why my discussion holds no weight.

You second point - that is *not* my solution, for all of the reasons that you correctly state. That is what I have been forced to suggest to combat the issue of FFXIclopedia not being Mercury-ready (which is a different matter, though a direct result of, the issue of Mercury being an inferior user experience as discussed in the point above).

I mean, the reason that the vast number of mobile users are using the mobile skin isn't user preference, it's because it's mandatory and default across all FANDOM sites. As I have said a couple of times now, I'm sure it works well on the majority of fandom encyclopediae. I also don't dispute your statement regarding mobile users' expectations (though I can't quite understand how mobile and desktop users are different people - expectations are the same; UI and UI control are different?), it's not so relevant to the issue at hand. This isn't a matter of 'mobile users' *waves hand ambiguously at the planet*, my issue is Final Fantasy XI players (and by extension perhaps other gamers, though I wouldn't want to speak out-of-turn for those MMORPG communities).

You're right in saying that users look elsewhere and that it's a shame. The other, independent FFXI Wiki at bg-wiki.com which has been regularly cited as the preferred site since around 2014, simply doesn't have a mobile skin and has received zero complaints from mobile users accessing their pages. However, it's not my work that I am concerned with - I use and access the page just fine and I enjoy finding new solutions with the wiki software - I am genuinely trying to present a case that will make our community not think so poorly of FFXIclopedia's hosts by asking that Mercury be disabled. I don't care one bit about pageviews; FANDOM does, and I'm trying to help us all out.

If you say that the technical issues behind displaying FFXIclopedia as Full Site on mobiles by default is too complex, that answers my question on the matter. I only suggested it because, from a user's point of view, it's one click and you're done, so it doesn't seem like it'd be a complex thing to enable from my perspective. Clearly though, I am not coding your back-end!

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Regards the linked example, the template on that page is classified as Design, but the data is stored on the Article itself. This is wiki - users need to be able to hit 'edit' on the page they are looking at and see clearly exactly where the new data they are there to add belongs, not be required to navigate to a separate template page that holds the Article data. Your suggestion is good practice for a static website, but that Article is an example of having casual wiki editors in mind.

Thanks for the suggestion regards the infobox (which is naff, outdated, and on the list of things to be removed altogether). Pretty sure that's part of my next project, but the area page redesign prototype (which is where it would be appearing) has already been coded for Oasis.