Forum:Complaining about new look

= Complaining =

New look, I just dont like it
Seriously, look at zelda.wikia.com, I'm a member there for a long, and I didn't decide to complain before, maybe I'm too late but the template is to be hated. In Zeldapedia Green margin and a Golden THIS IS WIKIA rectangle on the top are just not worthy of all the trouble they make of changing everything, there are no more links on the right to look casual content, no direct link to the forums, and now some pictures are out of adjustment and the Zeldapedia home is ugly now, seriously this template is hateful. Makes me want to leave the wikia. Is ugly, maybe it looks good on this Community wikia, but in some it doesn't and it's more stylish than helpful. And this is just a casual and simple complain, only about plain things I overlooked today, probably there are many things that disappeared too, I will discover the next week.

Another thing I want to know is who makes this decisions? Seriously, where I can stand and say "I dont like what you're doing"? Seriously there are better solutions for the things you do, and not knowing where to complain formally. The best example was the one you made back some month ago introducin "Home" with a place to look the pages that a user is following, "Home" (Is called WikiActivity in this new look) was dissapointing, we had a Wachtlist before that gave us 100% more info that Home gave to us.

I just want to know how many people agree with me, and let at least propose a new way to discuss and for users to take part in this whole wikia decisions you make.

Do you want to go back to Wikia old look? Yes of course, I hate this one I don't care We need a better way to discuss this decisions. Bring back the watchlist

Sorry for not signing out before, --TheNewSheik 21:55, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I for one am not enjoying some aspects of the enforced vogue style at the moment, there are some good things as well as bad. I 'worked' (read "banged my head aginst a wall till I dropped, then did it again when I woke), my way up the code learning curve on the old sytem - all the way through to redsigning templates untill i could make my own. I think it does need some rework/improvements though, and I'm pretty sure those points will have been added now. Piandao   and  Scooby! 16:03, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Check out the Blogs here on central and you will see a few (thousand) comments left by other users about this 'new Wikis' Skin that wikia has introduced to 'enhance' the users experience of visiting a wiki and encourage people to contribute (or not in the opinion of many existing editors). - BulldozerD11 00:47, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is still a watchlist on every wiki. You can search it up at title Special:Watchlist, or you can add that option to the My Tools menu by clicking on "Edit my tools". Wiki Activity also provides an option to see changes to followed pages only. The 888th Avatar   (talk)  02:45, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I laugh at the fact it's called an 'enhancement' to our experiences. This new skin is all flash and no substance. With random, seemingly needless additions left and right. Since it's so hard to actually find where you're suppose to voice the concerns (took me 30 minutes of dedicated hunting), I think I speak for a giant amount of people when I say this 'change' should be reverted. The fact that it's not even controllable at all - once it's set to default, it can't be changed back unless you make an account and manually do it - is absolutely insane. Each wikia should get it's choice of what skin is default. 71.167.15.89 20:32, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I laugh at the fact it's called an 'enhancement' to our experiences. This new skin is all flash and no substance. With random, seemingly needless additions left and right. Since it's so hard to actually find where you're suppose to voice the concerns (took me 30 minutes of dedicated hunting), I think I speak for a giant amount of people when I say this 'change' should be reverted. The fact that it's not even controllable at all - once it's set to default, it can't be changed back unless you make an account and manually do it - is absolutely insane. Each wikia should get it's choice of what skin is default. 71.167.15.89 20:32, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well I wil start checking those blogs, but what I didn't like before this is that the post that talks about this new skin is comment-block, so the opinion can't be directly given, that is almost like a way to evade opinions. About the watchlist, yes did know about the Special:Watchlist redirection, I will check out that about My Tools, thanks. Now with the subject, see how many people is voting against the new look? If someone know a direct link to really talk about this subject please tell me. Sure, I vote for each wikia to decide what skin should use, that is a nice idea. Also, Where is the shout box? That was a good way to talk to the other users in the wikia, what happened with it? is still around? Looks like another thing to the cons list. --TheNewSheik 21:55, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with 71.167.15.89, I don't understand why wikia can not leave a good system alone. Under a different account I was a major poster on the Guild Wars Wiki and after they hostilly took it over and started imposing their changes they drove nearly the entire comunity to another site, but at least there was another wiki site to go to in that case. I thought the last major reskin of the layout was ugly and clunky but I put up with it because they basically have a monopoly on it...this new one is even more dificult to preform basic functions. Flurried 23:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I sent em a message. This is in it: 00:07, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I logged onto the Sonic Wiki. And I barfed. It made me sick. Suddenly only half the page was the article, other half ads and sidebars. At least we can switch back. I hope that when they say Nov3rd that means when all wikis can use this new look and not when monobook goes away, because then I shall be forced to use monoskin, and why remove?. Sorta like when wikipedia made a new skin, only far worse.
 * They are removing Monaco, not Monobook... 18:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

--- what annoys me most is that the new theme doesn't take advantage of the widescreen display,I'm sure many prefer the Monaco theme for the same reason. --Lexsimonov

I think it's great that they want to implement a new look. However, is it really necessary to make it the DEFAULT look? Pushing a new look on everybody either signed in or out, instead of just making it available for those who want it doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. Nexorath 11:59, October 22, 2010 (UTC) ---

I greatly DISLIKE the new look. It's hard to tell which links have pages, and which links need pages created. Go back to Monaco, or at least allow us to keep it.Scoty6776

--- The new Wikia skin is not flexible and user-friendly, so I don't use the new skin anymore. I strongly oppose to the abolishment of the Monaco Skin, please don't make such thing that the Wikia users dislike!

The administrators of Wikia should give consideration to the needs of the Wikia users. I only suggest retaining among the Monaco Skin, Monobook Skin and new Wikia skin for the Wikia users to choose. In addition, public inquiries should be taken for all important changes of Wikia, being bent on having your own way may result in the loss of Wikia users.

Please think twice, Wikia groups!--湯米‧提思 13:48, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I completely hate it I have been constructive,nice,polite but still no different result at all still no true responce. 01:45, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm honestly willing to shell out cash to keep Monaco, if that's what it takes. I hate this new skin so much. I strongly prefer layouts in columns, not rows, and this just throws me off completely. I do not like it. Seriously, how can I keep the skin I have? Heatherly 02:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

All Wikis are encyclopedias. They should give information in a clear and direct way. In the old skin which we all have been used to, everything is placed in a simple but organized way. On the contrary, the new skin messed up all of 'em. Too many unnecessary pictures slow down the page loading speed. And it does NOT spam over widescreen browser sosad

The pull-down menu is a browser- and time-killer for portable machines, let alone the megatons of uselesssss picturessssss. I bet I can no longer browse any wikia in university *sigh*. Worst of all, the large logo for that wiki is gone :o)

This time Monaco will be gone. Dont tell me Monobook is the next O_O. Wikia should halt its action to remove any skins or features without reaching a common consensus with the community.

--CYTT LCH (沒有愛 就看不見 ) 03:36, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

--- I really HATE the 'New Wikia Look'. I think this theme is suitable for weblog only, not for Wikia. Moreover, the 'New Wikia Look' makes a lot of inconvenients for all users as the size of font is much smaller than that in Monaco Skin. Another point that I don't accept the 'New Wikia Look' is the width is only about 650px (maybe), nowadays, many people have monitors which resoulation are at least 1024x768 (for my PC and notebook, it is 1680x1050 and 1360x768). Using that theme wastes the area of monitor as it is just showing background colour outside the content. Nevertheless, we cannot have custom CSS when using the 'New Wikia Look'.

Therefore, I strongly oppose to the abolishment of the Monaco Skin. Just keep it for us.--Kevin｜會議室｜工作紀錄 08:50, October 24, 2010 (UTC) ---

The new skin demolished this page: [http://supcom.wikia.com/wiki/Seraphim_Experimental_Missile_Launcher http://supcom.wikia.com/wiki/Seraphim_Experimental_Missile_Launcher ]There is almost no room at all for the pictures, and the text is squished inbetween two images, causing only about one or two words to be displayed on a line. The page looked just fine when viewed using Monaco. Laraso 17:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

This thing is so bad, I can't even find the history of an article. Are the pages even articles anymore? More like wikia update pages with 1 inch wide 5 word per line articles that don't look right on the side. atomic 77 32 01:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I despise the new look. Worse, even when I switch to monobook -- which new visitors and users probably won't be utilising out the door -- the navigation sidebar that I'd carefully customised for my wiki is just gone. What were you people thinking? You've done nothing but make things consistantly worse with this new look ; → Koschei: :  Life. But not as we know it.  15:51, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Please let visitors to see monobook! Please! The new interface is just plain ugly! 20:13, November 27, 2010 (UTC) Languagelover

What the heck is this? A blog or a wiki?
In these 2 yrs, wikia did too much not useful shit for us, but they didnt improve those important component (Such as Ban List and someother ), and this is the biggest shit ever wikia made for us. Keep Monaco or we will leave here! 小甜甜（咪當我流） 01:38, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Many users in the Hong Kong Encyclopedias Series (香港大典系列) are opposing the new skin because of the large difference between Monaco and Monobook. The navigating bar has moved to the right or the top and the skin color may not be able to be changed.─ 505 ‧ 輕鐵  (Talk) 03:39, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

GUESS WHAT, I FOUND A SOLUTION
Switch to Monobook, yeah it's a little hard to figure out, but you don't have to use the new skin!
 * Great for established editors, REALLY sucks at convincing new users to go past your main page. let alone subscribe to Wikia user account so that they can do so. -- 22:05, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Monobook looks much better than the New Wikia Look skin, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to edit the sidebar. Anyone got any advice? Heatherly 01:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki:Sidebar is the file the needs to be edited for Monobook. -- 03:08, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * But We still could not set Monobook as default option, i.e. admin option. --HayateYuki 09:34, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you edit your wiki with Monobook, you'll still have to check your content displays well on Oasis, with teh reduced with and different font sizes. Monoboko and Monaco were pretty much interchangeable as far as article styling went, but Monobook and Oasis? not so much. -- ◄mendel► 06:20, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me, or...?
The theme designer won't open for me when I'm in Monaco or Monobook. Are they actually trying to (figuratively speaking) starve us out by restricting our ability to edit our wiki's colorscheme? Heatherly 02:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to do this
Right, let me start by saying I HATE the n-- l--- so much I don't even want to spell it out. I WANT MONACO.

So, when n--- l reaches somewhere I am working, I will quickly visit all my wikis, delete all the pages, remove the rights from those who have them, delete the images, videos, categories, I will empty out the MediaWiki pages, everything. And I have four wikis, so I will do that four times. Four desolate wastelands. Since I've adopted a wiki, that is strictly mine, so I will delete all content there, as stated above. Then I'll go to wikis that I am admin on, and I'll tell the bureaucrats to remove my rights because I'm not coming back. 5 desolate wastelands. The End. In fact, I'm so angry, I'll even delete user and talk pages that aren't mine (and mine as well, of course).

Toothless99 06:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

They just simply consider the problems of new look as localization problem.
Hi HayateYuki,

On 2010-10-20 18:43:20, wrote: > > Moreover, I suggest that, please let me choose Monobook skin as > >   default skin for anyone (including guests, i.e. admin option) on > >    EVCHK, due to our editors (major citizens in Hong Kong) feedback > >   for request for a simple and much formal skin. I'm sorry but this won't be a possibility - but we offer you any help to make sure that localization of the new look will be as painless as possible. I know that the change is tough at the moment, but I'll try to find some more helping hands on translatewiki.net for zh-hk.

I hope the missing messages will be available as soon as possible at translatewiki.net. We might want to think about searching translators via spotlights.

Bye, Tim.

-- http://wikia.com

I'm very disappointing that Tim (not sure Tim Bartel or Tim Quievryn) just think the problem as a localization problem, when I request the Monobook skin as the admin option. Then I have to use any possible way to recovery it for our project. Since be polite to Wikia staffs, I could notice here for this action.--HayateYuki 09:14, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where're the Wikia staff? Are they "diving"? Why don't they explain such a serious issue? Actually, they still insist on the deletion of Monaco skin, I'm totally disappointed.
 * Localization problem is not a reasonable explanation for the failure of switching to Monobook skin! Sorry, I don't agree anymore.--湯米‧提思 14:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Localization problem is not a reasonable explanation for the failure of switching to Monobook skin! Sorry, I don't agree anymore.--湯米‧提思 14:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

This just proves that the Wikia Staff is a bunch of money grubbing jew-rats that don't give a rat's ass about the community, A lot of the older gaming wikia's are looking into moving, and even then Wikia is trying their hardest to make it a legal battle with us.


 * Jew rats?** did someone seriously post that comment? That is ridiculous.

Exactly how are these people making money off your free wikia - you tool. Our own wikia is dealing with the issue, but seriously consider rolling back the new look or making a more sweeping option for those groups that like their current look.

Eliza T. Creststeel 19:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ever heard of something called 'advertising'? Inclusivedisjunction 20:02, November 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's Tim Bartel. "DaNASCAT" (aka Tim Quievryn) signs his DaNASCAT. -- .. Jeff   (Talk!)   (Contribs!)   (Email!)   (Blog!) .. 23:55, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco sidebar
In the Monaco version you can fit (as far as I know) an unlimited amout of links on it. This helps for me cause I have lots of categories and project pages, and I want them all accessible from the main page. But on the new look, you have it at the top, and then you can only fit the Main Page and three other links! And you can't have things where, for example, it goes like this:

Category:Dinosaurs > Main Dinosaurs > {list}

Because, while it can drop-down 'Main Dinosaurs', it can't drop-down again because of items below it. So the bar it the top is REALLY RUBBISH, and doesn't help navigation AT ALL. And I will rant on and on about this, I don't care if wikia don't listen, I'll just fill all the forums with negative response. Toothless99 11:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see::*Forum:Can sidebar site navigation be returned in a show/hide box? --Timeshifter 21:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco to New look: same complaints as Monobook to Monaco
Don't get me wrong, I'm as big-a-hater of the 'New look' as anyone/everyone else, but I just found this old thread: Forum:Wikia's New Style, filled with all the same complaints as when they introduced Monaco. It does, however, still leave the question, "Why get rid of Monaco, but keep Monobook?" as so many Wikis are designed to look best with Monaco. Ollie Martin  10:18, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) People complained more about Ad placement than anything else.
 * 2) People had a choice of which skin they wanted to use.
 * 3) Monaco still had adequate content space. The options menu was easier to work with.


 * Using that discussion page as a counter to Oasis skin complaints doesn't work, as both skins are so drastically different. Oasis skin strips everything down and makes articles look squished, and there is no choice in trying to improve upon it due to the ToS updates. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Idea
Someone should get a copy of Media wiki and the Monaco skin and host a clone site!


 * An interesting idea, but Monaco is closely tied into Wikia-specific extensions (mostly for ads) and it will be difficult to remove them and still maintain compatibility with the original content. Thus I think you're probably better off in the long run converting your content to work with a different skin than trying to re-implement Monaco. Inclusivedisjunction 21:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

What kind of treatment is this?
Okay, Wikia, you're being ridiculous.

I hate the new look. Many of us do not like the new look. But you do not shrug off and ignore my feedback. What kind of help is this? You do not give me vague responses that solve nothing and still go on "justifying" your new look even when there are dozens of complaints.

As I stated on one admin's page (one who seems to like to drop conversations whenever a significant point is made):


 * You claim that the new layout is more conducive to editing. However, editing is more difficult and harder to understand, and the system is more prone to crashing or slowing down than with the old skin. How is this more conducive?
 * You claim that the layout is much better. Things like recent edits and picture uploads take up half of the screen. Yes, a wiki is for editing, but not all of us are administrators and there are people who would like to read the content on the page, not see everything that’s just happened with articles we won’t even read
 * Even for the admins, maintenance is difficult as it’s difficult to track recent changes
 * CSS templates – you have failed to tell us why we should throw away all of the hard work we’ve put into making our wikis look unique and interesting. Instead, you throw at us a layout that makes wikis look like each other and throw away all of the work they did. (For instance look at the Vocaloid or Digimon Wikis. They look plain and uninteresting without CSS formatting, but reverting to Monaco brings back their old glory.) The same goes for logos
 * You have forced this new system on us, without giving us a choice to turn back. With all of your past decisions (visual mode, My Home, etc.), you gave us an option to use the old system (source mode, Recent Changes, etc.). We cannot do a universal revert for the wikis, meaning that we will be unable to cohesively remain a community without personally tracking down every user and requesting that they change the skin back. Do you hate Monaco so much that you refuse to let us use it and plan to demolish it soon so that we can never go back? How is your new system any better?
 * With every negative comment you have received, you have only stood by your new system stubbornly, claiming that we only need to “adjust” to the new system rather than even trying to change the new system to fit our needs. We’ve adjusted, and we hate it. There are times when we don’t like new features, but when the entire community of a wiki ‘’unanimously’’ decides to not go with it, something is wrong. Aren’t you supposed to consider your users rather than force a dictatorship on us? Do you honestly think that just letting it sit without even changing the new system a little bit will suddenly make us like it? Isn’t it easier to just add one function, the option to change it back, rather than responding to negative comment after negative comment?

If I keep getting treated like this, I'm going to personally go and port every page on my wiki over to a different server. This is ridiculous. Aster Selene 04:55, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. They just don't listen. The look is totally rubbish anyway, for all the reasons you said above. I only came in when we had monaco, so I don't know about the MonoBook-Monaco, but personally I think that Monaco was best. Toothless99 06:10, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * :* An older forum thread with discussion of the new skin is at Forum:Your First Look at the New Wikia (discussion).


 * Hi Aster Selene, where did you read that the new layout is more conducive to editing? I don't think Wikia ever claimed that. My guesses at ad revenue motivations aside, Wikia had the reader in mind when designing the new skin. They consequently hid everything away that would not be of interest to a reader or casual commenter (I hate article comments, they break the mediawiki model, as do blog comments) ; that of course makes things more difficult for editors and admins. I think Wikia noticed a marked decline of visits per person about a year ago, and I assume redesigning the skin might be a response to that (and possibly advertiser demands for a skin that allows better tracking of user interests). -- ◄mendel► 06:31, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sarah Manley claimed so on the one vague response I got. It's such a lie. Aster Selene 17:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have one question to all those who say that we should leave because of this: Why are we here? As in, why are we here at wikia. You could move your wiki elsewhere at any moment. You know why you're here: Because you know Wikia is where you belong. You know what else belongs at Wikia? Monaco. So, what are you going to do, are you going to run and hide, or just sit there thinkin' "cool story, bro", or are you going to fight. If you want to keep monaco, then well... Crack those knuckles and start typin'. - KP Blue (talk) can be your Villain, baby


 * 3 points to make in response:
 * 1. I would gladly move my wiki, but I can't find a decent alternative with unlimited storage space, no ads and without cost. (I'd gladly hear any advice on this as I'm fairly desperate to move)
 * ShoutWiki is a free MediaWiki-based wiki farm that does not display ads if you are logged in. Monobook is the default skin. As an answer to the below question, Shoutwiki staff will move everything from the wikia wiki to the new one. Just file a bug report at their bugzilla and they'll take care of your wiki. -- Xd1358(Talk) 16:01, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I've submitted and, all being well, will be out of Wikia's balls-up soon. Ollie Martin  22:54, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2. I don't know how to transfer the articles, categories and templates from my existing wiki without doing it all manually. (Again, I'd gladly hear any advice on this)
 * 3. I have been fighting since the new look came in, but Wikia have no need to fight back, they just ignore everything EVERYONE is saying. Ollie Martin  13:24, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a new site to move your wiki to-
http://wikkii.com

It will even give you a free domain name if you get at least 250 users per day. No chance of doing gay Wikia crap. Everyone, move your sites here. Post a link on your old main page to direct users. Delete all other pages; you can always restore them later. Once Wikia is a wasteland of abandon wikis with fully deleted content, Wikia will be forced to give in to us.

It's time for a wiki strike!

Sascha Kreiger Contact 20:32, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Everybody, please go to awa.shoutwiki.com (Anti Wikia Alliance) and add your new wiki link to our database. We are trying to keep track of all moved wikis. --— Sirnot1 (talk) 00:40, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I like them a bit better now.
So, Sannse has finally informed us that the reason they’re ditching Monaco is that it’s not a native part of their server, and is very unwieldy to maintain to even prevent from crashing.

Now, I’m finally satisfied with the response, and am willing to work with the new skin even though I still don’t like it. But I wish the admins would be much nicer about their service next time, and I hope they give us a full explanation soon.

Also, I wish they'd actually listen to our complaints about the new look, and even if they don't give us Monaco back, I hope they'll at least try to fix the current look. I've decided to stick with Wikia for now, but if I continue to get treated like crap, I'm packing up and moving to Wikkii. Aster Selene 23:17, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * You now know why they're ditching Monaco. Wikia staff has been upfront about this all along. What you still don't know is why they're redesigning the interface when it would have been enough to redesign the code.
 * Wikia have designed a skin, based on monobook, two years ago, introduced it amid complaints and criticism, and people took it and used it because it allowed them more customization and more features, and because it sort of looked like the old skin, with more ads. Now Wikia admits that the code is unmaintainable, and they'd rather redesign a skin from scratch and introduce it amid a shitstorm of complaints; and they also intentionally made it less customizable than Monaco; and it has more ads (I'm counting Wikia self-ads, but Wikia'd probably call it branding, which orginally means burning your skin with a red-hot iron - ouch!) . I am not satisfied with the Wikia explanation because it doesn't explain to me what's happening. -- ◄mendel► 08:13, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Satisfying or not, their solution is still awful. They can't make their own version of Monaco or a close facsimile? Instead we get this useless clunker? You want to make the folks on my Wikia happy? Give us BACK the Shout Box! That is ONE huge step. Don't give me the IRC crap, it doesn't work for many of us and its totally inconvenient. And why design one based on Monobook? It's awful to begin with. Just freakin' rip off Monaco and call it something else just slightly one off. Is it that difficult? Eliza T. Creststeel 13:38, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind the new look too much, except for this.
Hey, I hate that stupid bar at the bottom. How can I turn that noise off? It's very annoying for me.

EDIT: I also dislike how some pages don't have set colors or whathaveyou for the articles themselves, like on the Left 4 Dead Wiki. Look at that, that doesn't look good at all! --ToyoWolf 06:32, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Did some camparisons
In order to find a way to make my Wiki look not like a disaster, I checked out some of the more established wikis on Wikia to see what they did. I checked out Memory Alpha, Buffyverse, the Tron Wiki and WOWwiki. All of them managed to figure out a way to keep the main elements of their pre-Oasis design while still working within the realm of the new look. WOWwiki even managed to overcome the fixed width aspect of the design, which is something I'd want to do.

I guess my only complaint is that I'd rather be writing articles and gathering a larger community then spending the next unknown block of time reformatting my whole Wiki to look good with the new design. Every page needs to be edited because my wiki is a TV show wiki, and almost every page has an infobox. Because of the fixed width, the smaller sizeis not kind to infoboxes.

I'd consider moving to something like Wikkii, but it's an unknown, and I have no idea who's running it, what kind of ads they may have on it and the size of their community... it's a conundrum... Randomtox 18:09, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * WoWWiki got the increased width because they moved. It was just a desperate act from Wikia to keep Wowwiki on Wikia, but meh. They already moved out. -- Xd1358(Talk) 18:26, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wowpedia.org. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 4:51 PM PST 28 Oct 2010

What the hell, Wikia.
Despite the somewhat mixed reception at first, people will grow tired of it, and move to other wiki farms. In a desperation to get everybody back, they get rid of Oasis and bring back a slightly altered version of Monaco three months later. The original version of monaco will only be available to wikis stored on certain offsite servers. People will then find a way to hack the database specifically so that their wiki will be on those servers. After a few years, Wikia will bring Oasis back under a different name, and people won't really mind that much. Thus, proving that Oasis is the information age's equivalent to New Coke... unless... We fight. We keep fighting. We don't have to stop tomorrow. We keep fighting, to bring back Monaco. We fight until Wikia has banned their entire userbase. The userbase they wouldn't listen to. Look, Wikia Staff, I know you're trying to seem more "professional", but most companies actually listen to the consumer. Completely disregarding what the consumer says and just going ahead and doing whatever the fuck you want with your product is very un-professional. Wikia, what I'm saying is you can keep both Oasis AND Monaco. If Monaco is too hard to mantain on the offsite servers, then move the server onsite. - KP Blue (talk) can be your Villain, baby
 * Per Above
 * Per KP Koopa Blue. You remember the saying "The customer is always right"? Take it both figuratively and literally.
 * Per Above Ollie Martin  15:52, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Above LK24 19:09, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not disappointed, as I have no hope on Wikia. Wikia staff never listen the views of netizens. They choose to go to a wrong road, thus we can't stop it. Poor Wikians, this is the time for you to think for moving to a new host!--湯米‧提思 13:49, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Great alternatives to wikia
great alternatives to wikia listed at the Forum:Anti-Wikia (skin) Alliance. Anno1404 14:02, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco Appreciation
I'm sure everyone has heard the saying, 'you don't know what you have until it's gone'. -Imdill3 15:19, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Users are Lost in the Shuffle
Where the Admins have truly lost their way is that the Wikias exist so people can find INFORMATION. They want a quick easy system to find data about their hobby, movie, show or game. The wiki they use needs to be simple to follow and easy to read. The new skin is counter intuitive and very confusing. It turns users off.

If people don't like a data source, they will move on. I put in over a year of my life to help fellow game players find the information they needed - but now I can't even really use my own data source. And our admins can't talk to each other quickly. So, why are we here?

Eliza T. Creststeel 13:51, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Full ack. I do not understand why this is urged upon us. Make it an option if you must so every wiki can choose to use it or not. Right now this has broken our wiki when viewed with the ingame browser, rendering all the work USELESS, as most people start moving away. If this is your way to take load from the servers, please go on.--Alinor 17:55, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Moving
Where is the move button? Or the tan message bar? Or the HTML editing screen?!? Porp1 11:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Moving see - forum:How to delete or move/rename pages which explains it for the new skin.
 * Tan mesage bar notifying new messages is replaced by a small green ? message in bottom left, that also notifies f new 'comminiyu norices (that replaced the 'Site Notice')
 * HTML editing screen - ???????? (is that a browser related thing as wikis normally use wiki code in source mode for formating or by default the RTE - which a lot of 'older' users turn off in preferences).
 * - BulldozerD11 12:14, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the message clear enough?
Just looking at all the top threads on the forum, almost every one is about the new, horridly designed layout and how everyone wants the Monaco skin back. Isn't the message clear enough? People want the Monaco skin, it was practical, not this wannabe facebook lookalike. Using monobook for now, it's better than oasis, but I miss the expandable menus on the sidebar. They had the option to go back to the Monaco skin for a while when they first brought out this new look, but then they took it away. They might as well say "We're in charge, and don't you forget it." I've actually just started looking at shoutwiki to see if it's possible to tranfer the Dofus wiki. That enough should be a message to Wikia that the people don't like what they're doing.

Problem with new look
I personally dislike the new look. I believe this case is not the same as the WMF monobook->vector problem, because the new appearance is a big big change and added and removed lots of stuff. I found a problem with it. On IE, if you middle click, you can only scroll left and right but not up and down. Can this be fixed? Kayau (WB) 14:38, November 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bugs like your IE bug should not be directed here. Report them to Special:Contact. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:12 AM PST 14 Nov 2010


 * Thank you. ^_^ -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:03, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Another way to destroy the work of editors of wikia
While looking around in other wikis for bits of wisdom I came across a page for a quest for some game. It didn't have what I wanted but had something interesting: at the very bottom of the page there was a 'alert: SPOILERS HERE and that linked to a sub-page of that one. I closed the page while thinking that it was a very good idea of them to do it and to take the extra effort to come up with a good way of doing it.

I was already on another page when it hit me... Was that image pulled from the pile of images in the wiki a map with an "X marks the spot"!? hahahaha Hilarious and tragic. 19:11, November 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Users who hate the skin! I have opposed this site as wel as encouraged users to bring it down. They will not stop nor listen unless we vandalize everything on this wikia including their servers and destroy there database, and CSS modules. Cant you see they are blind and they are not listening. It is now time to rise even during the toughest times and take out this site once and for all!World-War-3-show_inline.jpg


 * Shadow of Gibraltr and member of the CCC,


 * Terrorism_Leader

Issues with Oasis.
copy/paste from

Cosmetic errors I would like to see addressed or even considered:


 * The gray font color is not' easy for my eyes. It generally does not look good on default white at all, I am not sure how this is beneficial to readers. nov 15 addition: this can be fixed simply by css coding, but solid black SHOULD be the default. Many have complained about eyestrain and I saw no comments by staff to address this.


 * Wikia bar... it drops down even if you don't hover over it. Please make it a "click only" type of thing, it is very annoying when trying to navigate using two top bars and end up going to another wiki when I didn't want to. nov 15 addition: This is still bothersome, please do something about it. With the amount of "go to another wiki" links plastered all over this layout, is it even necessary for the drop menu to be that big?


 * Mini bar overlapping on default look, unless I can figure out a CSS to fix it, I am unsure why this happens. nov 15 addition: There has to be a better way for these menus to stick and stay there. In Monaco and Monobook, the menus have never had a shift issue regardless of what ad was on the side.


 * Not being able to get to my own Contributions without some loop method. Why was this taken away? nov 15 addition: While adding "Contributions" to the MyTools works, it was unnecessary to remove this feature from the Username drop menu.


 * Second / Third headers no longer bold in articles... what is that about? It makes it look like a larger font space in front of a sentence, it should be treated as another subject and noticeable. This can be corrected by adding <b> or ''' to the header, but it should not have to come to this. Especially for people who have a lot of articles.


 * The large side modules. And yes, Editors will continue on this until at least some more room for content is provided. nov 15 addition: This small content space is a pain to work with. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:10, November 27, 2010 (UTC)