Thread:Imamadmad/@comment-188432-20131202045210

As the admin who actually has experience of bots and technical matters, I would have preferred to have been consulted before you handed out a bot flag to someone. I don't worry about Corey's competence with a bot or that he is any way a risk to the wiki.

i simply think that since you and I are both members of the same administrative team, I should have found out about this from you, not from him. In future, i would appreciate being invovled in any discussions about bot usage at DWA. You say that I "seemed to be confused". You think? That confusion comes from the fact that you didn't tell me anything. If you'll remember, not three weeks ago, I kept you fully informed, sending you several messages a day, after you requested my assistance. So, please: return the favour. If you're going to be doing something with a bot let me be in on that conversation. It would have been better for my first DWA contact with Corey to have been welcoming him to the team rather than wondering what the hell he was talking about on my user page at Tardis.

Also, I would have preferred it if you consulted me about this witchhunt you're performing against Master of Spiders. We should have agreed a common strategy in private before you publically called for his head. After all, who do you think is going to de-sysop him if it comes to that? Unless you can raise Icecreamdif from the dead, the answer is me. Wikia Staff don't tend to handle staffing matters like that if there's an active bureaucrat on site.

I will tell you that you're putting me in an awkward position because I'm not actually in favour of de-sysopping the guy. If there's one thing November has taught me is that you don't have enough registered users to be throwing away an admin like this. Sure, he might need a very stern talking to, but you simply can't afford to de-sysop him. Your policy of happily encouraging IPs to remain IPs means that you now don't have the luxury of getting rid of Master of Spiders. The 464 edits you deride so easily are 464 edits you didn't have to make. Not every admin at Tardis uses every admin power. You make a big thing of that in your "prosecution" of him, but it's a pretty spurious argument. It's not a big deal that he doesn't use the theme designer or CSS. Shambala108 has never touched either but it would never occur to me to de-sysop her for that.

And, as I noted in the thread, his blocking of IP users really isn't a horrible thing. It's a good faith effort to protect the wiki. If you're going to actively encourage people to be IP editors then you have to accept that imperfect blocks are gonna happen. That's the trade-off, that's the deal.

I entirely agree with you that he's an immature admin who needs seasoning. As you correctly noted, I am a "victim" of his lack of discrimination. But we need to figure out how to work with him, becuase the de facto policy of encouraging IP editing means there aren't registered editors around.

I recommend the following:


 * Delete the Master of Spiders thread.  That thread says "Off with his head!" and that's not very helpful.  All it's going to do is to make him feel like a trapped animal, and trapped animals bite.


 * Figure out what one thing really bothers you the most about MOS, and let's — you and I — talk about it until we're in rock solid agreement


 * We'll then prepare a joint message signed by both of us, in which we tell him, "Look, you're going to need to change this one behavior over the next three months, or we'll de-sysop you."  I see you've got a test wiki, so let's deliver the message to him there so that he doesn't feel any public pressure.

This needs to be about teaching him, not lynching him. 