Forum:November 18th IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PDT (California etc).


 * [12:01:14]  ok it's time. Let's start with self-introductions
 * [12:01:23] * PanSola is from GuildWiki, and happens to be an admin there
 * [12:01:47] * Sgt_Johnson is from Halopedia, Halo fanon, Pfhorpedia, and Ace Wikia (Admin at Ace Wikia)
 * [12:01:55]  Im a moderator at the FInal Fantasy Wiki
 * [12:02:11] * Tesfan is from RunescapeWiki, and is an admin there
 * [12:02:33]  is a moderator like an admin in other wikis, or is it just a position on the forums?
 * [12:02:35] * PanSola isn't sure
 * [12:02:44] * Simonrjh is primarily of halopedia, but also Crackdown, Assassins Creed, HaloFanon, Red vs Blue
 * [12:02:52] * Steik is from ru.Gaming Solutions wiki
 * [12:02:57]  No I am granted rollback rights by the admins
 * [12:03:09]  ah
 * [12:03:14]  but am also a mod. at our forums
 * [12:03:19]  cool (-:
 * [12:03:43]  what is Pfhorpedia?
 * [12:03:44] * PanSola pokes everyone else: "There's no line here, everyone introduce yourselves!"
 * [12:03:45] * Christine|afk is from RS wiki, and is an admin
 * [12:03:50]  Marathon Wikia
 * [12:04:29]  Hi, my name's Manticore, and I'm a crack addict from Halopedia.
 * [12:04:41]  Azul81677: Pfhorpedia is the wiki for the Marathon series of games
 * [12:04:49]  Oh
 * [12:05:49] * PanSola pokes the people hwo haven't introduced yet
 * [12:06:05]  Has anyone had any problems with their wikis like it goes to a page that doesnt exist when you click something as simple as the Main Page?
 * [12:06:11] * Simonrjh pokes ChanServ
 * [12:06:11]  yes
 * [12:06:14]  Jack_Phoenix, introduce yourself
 * [12:06:14]  yes
 * [12:06:14] <PanSola> yes that's a known problem
 * [12:06:18] <Simonrjh> Azul: yep
 * [12:06:21] <Jack_Phoenix> Manticore, bleh :P
 * [12:06:27] <PanSola> the techs are looking into it, according to the commteam
 * [12:06:42] <Jack_Phoenix> hi, I'm this guy: ---> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jack_Phoenix
 * [12:06:47] <PanSola> was it still happening as of yesterday?
 * [12:06:54] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:07:03] <Manticore> nice one Jack_Phoenix -- I'm  http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Manticore
 * [12:07:10] <Azul81677> Ours has seemed to have stopped
 * [12:07:37] <Azul81677> bugs in the system affect all wikis?
 * [12:07:43] <PanSola> something like that
 * [12:07:51] <PanSola> or at leaset I know it's affecting multiple wikis
 * [12:07:56] <Manticore> a lot of the core mediawiki files are shared
 * [12:08:01] * Simonrjh is now known as Simonrjh|Bleeeeh
 * [12:08:18] * Simonrjh|Bleeeeh is now known as Simonrjh
 * [12:08:30] <Simonrjh> sorry, different channel ;)
 * [12:08:32] <PanSola> anyways
 * [12:08:36] <PanSola> today's main dish is this:
 * [12:08:36] <PanSola> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gaming/editcopy
 * [12:08:56] <PanSola> that's a draft of the new gaming hub that I'm hoping to roll out within the week
 * [12:09:11] <PanSola> looking for feedback
 * [12:10:01] <Sgt_Johnson> its nice PanSola
 * [12:10:06] <Jack_Phoenix> hmm
 * [12:10:10] <Jack_Phoenix> it looks really nice
 * [12:10:15] <Jack_Phoenix> even for IE users :)
 * [12:10:23] * Joins: DrakemasterDrake
 * [12:10:27] <Azul81677> what do the stars next to the wiki names represent
 * [12:10:29] <PanSola> hi DrakemasterDrake
 * [12:10:36] <Azul81677> Drake your here!
 * [12:10:38] <Azul81677> good
 * [12:10:40] <PanSola> Wikis with bronze stars have 500+ pages. Wikis with silver stars have 1000+ pages. Wikis with gold stars have 5000+ pages.
 * [12:11:10] <Azul81677> oooo
 * [12:11:17] <Jack_Phoenix> PanSola: the "helping out" box looks a bit...odd for me
 * [12:11:30] <DrakemasterDrake> So we at the Final Fantasy wiki have a gold star? What's ip Azul?  Hi Pansola.
 * [12:11:31] <PanSola> too much space at bottom left? or something else?
 * [12:11:57] <Jack_Phoenix> I'll take a pic
 * [12:11:58] * Quits: Hakaisha
 * [12:12:07] <Azul81677> yeah pretty much
 * [12:12:18] * Joins: Hakaisha
 * [12:12:30] <PanSola> welcome back Hakaisha
 * [12:12:40] <DrakemasterDrake> Cool. This chat doesn't seem ver organised.
 * [12:12:48] <DrakemasterDrake> Hard to follow everything.
 * [12:13:12] <Hakaisha> thanks PanSola though it was only for a sec or two
 * [12:13:21] <PanSola> DrakemasterDrake: sorry, that has to do with the open nature of unmoderated IRC chats
 * [12:13:35] <PanSola> Hakaisha: did you see the link I pasted before your disconnect?
 * [12:13:47] <Jack_Phoenix> PanSola: http://staff.jackphoenix.com/staff/images/3/36/Helpingout.png
 * [12:14:06] <PanSola> awww
 * [12:14:14] <PanSola> the div still closed early ... IE?
 * [12:14:17] <Hakaisha> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gaming/editcopy you mean this one?
 * [12:14:20] <PanSola> I fixed it for other brwosers
 * [12:14:21] <Jack_Phoenix> IE7, yep
 * [12:14:22] <PanSola> Hakaisha: yup
 * [12:14:28] * PanSola curses IE7
 * [12:14:38] <PanSola> I'll get it fixed later today
 * [12:14:45] <Jack_Phoenix> cool :)
 * [12:14:55] <PanSola> any other feedback regarding teh design?
 * [12:15:07] <PanSola> how it looks in different skins/themes? color/font suggestions?
 * [12:15:09] <DrakemasterDrake> I feel olst. Be back in a while.
 * [12:15:12] * Parts: DrakemasterDrake
 * [12:15:12] <PanSola> positioning of sections?
 * [12:16:29] <Azul81677> maybe the helping out could be on top of the Active gaming wikis
 * [12:16:53] <PanSola> hmm
 * [12:17:01] <PanSola> what's the thought behind that idea?
 * [12:18:00] <Azul81677> well the helping out is more impoortant I guess
 * [12:19:10] <PanSola> hmm
 * [12:19:25] <Azul81677> IDK how it will look though so...
 * [12:19:27] <PanSola> oh btw, I need people to add additional wikis ot the Hleping Out section
 * [12:19:52] <PanSola> if there are gaming wikis that are quite dead but is a generally well-known topic
 * [12:19:56] <Sgt_Johnson> Ace Combat Wikia!
 * [12:20:01] <PanSola> (to increase the probability that ppl would find interest)
 * [12:20:14] <PanSola> then please give it a little blurb and add it to the Helping Out section
 * [12:20:18] <Steik> Jack_Phoenix, please check this in IE7 once more, looks like I've resolved the problem
 * [12:20:21] <Sgt_Johnson> Ok
 * [12:20:34] <Jack_Phoenix> k, sure thing
 * [12:20:41] <PanSola> thanks Steik
 * [12:20:42] <Azul81677> looks much better now
 * [12:21:27] <Jack_Phoenix> Steik, looks fine. Thank you. :-)
 * [12:21:30] <PanSola> another thing that the new hub needs to be successful
 * [12:21:32] <PanSola> is user articles
 * [12:21:45] <PanSola> we need users ( like you) to write articles
 * [12:21:51] <PanSola> so the hub becomes interesting
 * [12:21:56] * Tesfan is now known as Tes|Away
 * [12:22:02] <PanSola> content-wise, it doesn't have to be like the two currently shown
 * [12:22:15] <Azul81677> does anyone have like a little section for the history of your wiki?
 * [12:22:30] <PanSola> GuildWiki doesn't
 * [12:22:32] <RR|Neuroscience> Eh?
 * [12:23:01] <PanSola> RR: something like "The History of Halolpedia"
 * [12:23:17] * Quits: Azul81677
 * [12:23:17] <RR|Neuroscience> We have that.
 * [12:23:28] <RR|Neuroscience> I'll try to fetch it?
 * [12:23:46] <PanSola> Az just disconnected
 * [12:24:01] <RR|Neuroscience> yeah
 * [12:24:13] <RR|Neuroscience> http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halopedia:History
 * [12:29:15] <PanSola> anyways, so the user articles
 * [12:29:18] <PanSola> it can be anything you want to share, about yoru game, your wiki, or somehting else entirely
 * [12:29:33] <PanSola> just keep in mind that the readers are other users from various gaming wikis
 * [12:31:27] * Joins: cr|away
 * [12:31:32] <PanSola> hi CR
 * [12:31:58] <cr|away> Hi.
 * [12:32:14] <PanSola> I was just sharing the new hub design: http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gaming/editcopy
 * [12:32:28] <PanSola> and trying to get people to write user articles for it
 * [12:32:34] <PanSola> it can be anything you want to share, about yoru game, your wiki, or somehting else entirely
 * [12:33:20] <PanSola> it can also be used to gather interest for a newly started wiki
 * [12:33:52] * Joins: SPARTAN-077
 * [12:33:59] <PanSola> hi SPARTAN-077
 * [12:34:03] <SPARTAN-077> hello
 * [12:34:14] <PanSola> check out http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Gaming/editcopy
 * [12:34:38] <SPARTAN-077> interesting
 * [12:34:45] <PanSola> feedback?
 * [12:35:00] <PanSola> I'm hoping to get people to write user articles to make the hub more interesting to visit back for
 * [12:35:51] <Steik> is it possible to display info on some non-English wikis in the same hub (not Gaming_other_languages), when language of user interface isn't English. I've seen some templates on meta.wikimedia which worked so.
 * [12:36:05] <PanSola> hmm...
 * [12:36:08] * Parts: SPARTAN-077
 * [12:36:24] <PanSola> with Javascripting I think I know how to do it
 * [12:36:37] <PanSola> but if it's just via templates, I'm not sure
 * [12:36:52] <Steik> hm, js would be ok
 * [12:37:09] <PanSola> then it's theoreticall possible
 * [12:37:22] <PanSola> I'd need to do a bit of testing though
 * [12:37:59] <PanSola> can you produce a Russion version on a separate page, that shows how you want the page to look like when the user interface language is set to RU?
 * [12:38:25] <PanSola> then I'll try to cook up the javascript to do the change
 * [12:39:19] * Joins: Wikian_Finalform
 * [12:39:26] <PanSola> hm
 * [12:39:43] <PanSola> Finalform?
 * [12:39:46] * Parts: Wikian_Finalform
 * [12:40:25] <RR|Neuroscience> lol
 * [12:40:39] * Joins: wikian260
 * [12:41:12] hello everone
 * [12:41:16] <PanSola> hi 260
 * [12:41:44] if i visit enough ill become a gaming channel regular
 * [12:41:48] <PanSola> hehe
 * [12:41:50] yay
 * [12:41:53] <RR|Neuroscience> :p
 * [12:42:01] =)
 * [12:42:34] <PanSola> ok, any issues (aside from the random page redirection) that any of your wikis face that you want to bring up?
 * [12:43:07] * Sgt_Johnson needs people
 * [12:43:14] <PanSola> you need people for?
 * [12:43:21] <Sgt_Johnson> editing
 * [12:43:25] <PanSola> which wiki?
 * [12:43:28] <Sgt_Johnson> Ace Wiki
 * [12:43:34] <PanSola> oh Ace Combat
 * [12:44:00] <PanSola> well add it to the Helping Out section d-:
 * [12:44:43] * Quits: RR|Neuroscience
 * [12:44:53] <PanSola> are you involved in any forums related to Ace Combat?
 * [12:45:03] <Sgt_Johnson> I did Pansola
 * [12:45:07] <PanSola> ah
 * [12:45:14] <Sgt_Johnson> I recently adopted it, after it was inactive for a year
 * [12:45:30] * Joins: Azul81677
 * [12:45:36] <PanSola> welcome back Azul81677
 * [12:45:42] <Azul81677> Thanks
 * [12:45:46] <Azul81677> is it over?
 * [12:45:50] <PanSola> not really
 * [12:46:20] <Azul81677> Has any FFWikians been by except me and DMD?
 * [12:46:27] <Azul81677> Renmiri?
 * [12:46:29] <PanSola> Johnson: you can try advertise the wiki on forums
 * [12:46:32] <PanSola> didn't see Renmiri today
 * [12:46:39] <PanSola> and I don't recognize anyone else from FF
 * [12:46:47] <PanSola> Johnson: but don't spam it
 * [12:47:00] <PanSola> don't make posts just for the sake of advertising your wiki
 * [12:47:07] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:47:09] <PanSola> become a part of the active forum community first
 * [12:47:18] <Azul81677> Huh?
 * [12:47:23] <PanSola> then through helping people out on the forums, introduce them to your wiki
 * [12:47:42] <PanSola> Azul: trying to hlep Sgt_Johnson's wiki gain more ppl
 * [12:47:57] * wikian260 is watching a housefly intnly
 * [12:48:11] intently
 * [12:48:19] <Azul81677> oh
 * [12:48:22] <PanSola> Azul81677: adn to answer your question, Halopedia does have a history article
 * [12:48:28] <PanSola> GuildWiki doesn't
 * [12:48:32] <PanSola> other ppl didn't respond
 * [12:48:44] <Azul81677> Ohhh good I was wondering
 * [12:49:27] <Azul81677> and you PanSola. You come from alot of gaming wikis or....
 * [12:49:31] <PanSola> was it related to the user articles thing I was talking about right before you asked, or something separate?
 * [12:49:38] <PanSola> I'm primarily on GuildWiki
 * [12:49:51] <PanSola> I help out with various new gaming wikis
 * [12:50:28] <Azul81677> are you an admin anywhere or a titled user?
 * [12:50:38] <PanSola> admin on GuildWiki
 * [12:50:43] <PanSola> a "helper" on Wikia
 * [12:50:51] <Azul81677> I think I'm the youngest titles user
 * [12:51:04] <PanSola> you are 3?
 * [12:51:08] <Azul81677> no 14
 * [12:51:10] <Azul81677> lol
 * [12:51:27] teh...
 * [12:51:31] <Azul81677> what
 * [12:51:33] <PanSola> Then I'm pretty sure there are users much younger than you are
 * [12:51:40] im like..12
 * [12:51:45] <Azul81677> titled user?
 * [12:51:50] <PanSola> anyways, so is the history stuff related to the user articles thing on the hub or independent?
 * [12:52:07] * Quits: wikian260
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 * [12:52:13] <PanSola> Sgt_Johnson: do you need help with creating a logo?
 * [12:52:30] * cr|away is now known as ChurchReborn
 * [12:52:31] <Sgt_Johnson> yes PanSola
 * [12:52:32] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:52:47] <Azul81677> independant
 * [12:52:49] <PanSola> lemme find the logo-creating-hlep-group's info on central
 * [12:52:57] <Azul81677> ohhh wait the hub
 * [12:53:10] <Azul81677> wait whats a hub?
 * [12:53:19] <PanSola> Gaming/editcopy
 * [12:53:20] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Gaming/editcopy
 * [12:53:29] <Azul81677> ohhh no then
 * [12:53:31] <PanSola> that's the draft that's gonna replace the current hub
 * [12:53:48] * Steik also had problems creating logo for newly-founded wiki
 * [12:55:10] <Steik> What logo would you suggest for gaming solutions wiki?
 * [12:55:47] <PanSola> hmm
 * [12:56:10] <PanSola> A cup of acid with a DVD game case dipped half-way into it?
 * [12:56:27] <PanSola> (not real acid, just soemthing looking like acid)
 * [12:56:48] * Quits: wikian260
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 * [12:57:14] * Quits: Hakaisha
 * [12:57:28] <Steik> hmm
 * [12:57:36] <Steik> I'll try this
 * [12:57:37] <PanSola> hmm I can't find the logo-creation-help-gropu's info on central
 * [12:57:43] grr...dang browser...
 * [12:57:49] * Joins: Hakaisha
 * [12:57:54] <PanSola> and wb again Hakaisha
 * [12:58:06] <Steik> PanSola, then let's create it :)
 * [12:58:14] <PanSola> Forum:Help desk
 * [12:58:16] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Help_desk
 * [12:58:32] <PanSola> go there and create a centralized topic for everyone to post logo requests
 * [13:00:55] <PanSola> Hakaisha: a question about Galactic Imperium
 * [13:01:08] <Azul81677> who is wikian260?
 * [13:01:16] <PanSola> some random guy
 * [13:01:47] <Hakaisha> Well just working out the bugs still
 * [13:01:54] <PanSola> ?
 * [13:02:03] well...thaks for the in-depth discrption of me
 * [13:02:18] <Steik> wikian260, ;)
 * [13:03:20] <PanSola> Hakaisha: is GI a MUD/MUSH?
 * [13:03:31] <Azul81677> well introduce yourself so we can get to know you
 * [13:03:45] where shall i start
 * [13:03:59] <Azul81677> what wiki are you from?
 * [13:04:36] acctually i signed up on the ��wikipedia
 * [13:04:45] <Hakaisha> Its an Forum rp
 * [13:04:57] so..i dont think the ifo transfers
 * [13:05:02] <Azul81677> any gaming wikis
 * [13:05:03] <PanSola> hmm so the "bugs" was referring to forum bugs?
 * [13:05:07] nope
 * [13:05:15] <ChurchReborn> Gah! My friend is bugging me to make him a wikia account. >_<
 * [13:05:29] tell him to make it himself!!!
 * [13:05:35] <Steik> hmm
 * [13:05:36] * Quits: Hakaisha
 * [13:05:42] * Joins: Hakaisha
 * [13:05:55] <Steik> what means "to make him"? why he can't do it himself?
 * [13:05:56] <ChurchReborn> Doesn't help when he doesn't have a computer of his own.
 * [13:06:02] <Steik> a
 * [13:06:11] librairies are an option
 * [13:06:26] <Azul81677> yeah thats where I am
 * [13:06:30] <PanSola> Hakaisha: is forum RPs like collaborative story-telling? And doesn't use/do all the d20/D&D ruleset stuff?
 * [13:06:31] i see
 * [13:07:07] are all the other computers taken up?
 * [13:07:27] <Hakaisha> Yes it does not have the D&D ruleset
 * [13:08:05] * Quits: [NewsBot]
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 * [13:08:21] <PanSola> I'm wondering if there's some good sub-divisions of the Gaming category that is simple and intuitive, that can furthur help the community
 * [13:08:32] <PanSola> because often ppl feel the "Gaming" community is just hte video games
 * [13:08:56] <Azul81677> no
 * [13:09:03] <PanSola> hmm, do you as a Forum RPer consider Forum RP as a "game"?
 * [13:09:06] * wikian260 is now in a deep state of thinking
 * [13:09:30] * PanSola notices the hour is up.
 * [13:09:44] <Hakaisha> Well at one point of view it could be
 * [13:09:44] <Azul81677> it's Over?
 * [13:09:55] <PanSola> Thanks everyone who came to the chat. Next week's chat is gonna be one hour later than this weeks, to see if different sets of ppl can make it
 * [13:10:07] <Azul81677> Bye!
 * [13:10:11] * Quits: Azul81677
 * [13:10:21] wait...thers a time limit?
 * [13:10:32] <Steik> one hour later... not good idea
 * [13:10:33] <PanSola> for the group chat, I want to keep it wihtin an hour
 * [13:10:35] <ChurchReborn> Appearently.
 * [13:10:37] <PanSola> Steik: how come?
 * [13:10:38] ok
 * [13:10:44] <PanSola> everyone is still invited to hang out here
 * [13:10:49] <Steik> it's deep night for me
 * [13:10:59] <PanSola> new wiki founders are refered here for help
 * [13:11:07] i see that these things could get �very confusing and annoying
 * [13:11:28] <PanSola> Steik: the idea is to move the time around every week so people in different timezones and with different schedules can make some of the meetings
 * [13:11:36] <PanSola> as opposed to some ppl always can and others always cannot
 * [13:11:54] <Steik> ok then
 * [13:12:06] <PanSola> sorry if that means you won't be able to make some of them
 * [13:12:07] <PanSola> )-:
 * [13:12:16] �testing�00functions�of�00this�bar�00
 * [13:12:19] <ChurchReborn> Huh.
 * [13:12:38] srry just trying a few things out
 * [13:13:25] <PanSola> Hakaisha: do you feel forum RPs and the D20/D&D Role playing games would fit into teh same subgroup because of RP aspect, or would they feel quite different because of the ruleset thingy?
 * [13:14:05] <Hakaisha> Well I still think the RP aspect would still make close
 * [13:14:09] * PanSola lacks experience with either
 * [13:14:16] * Parts: Sgt_Johnson
 * [13:14:32] <ChurchReborn> Huh.
 * [13:14:34] * Parts: Simonrjh
 * [13:14:36] <Hakaisha> Since the main thing with both are the Role Play in it
 * [13:14:42] <Steik> bye everyone, I'm gonna sleepin'
 * [13:14:49] * Quits: Steik
 * [13:15:00] <PanSola> is there an encompassing term that can include both but keep it distinguished from the video genre of RPGs?
 * [13:15:04] * wikian260 waves goodbye
 * [13:15:51] <Hakaisha> Hmm let me see
 * [13:17:34] * wikian260 begins eatigh a kiwi
 * [13:18:01] * GPT|BBL is now known as GPT
 * [13:18:26] <Hakaisha> well you could just have it as RP and then theres RPG
 * [13:18:35] * Parts: wikian260
 * [13:18:56] <PanSola> well the video game RPG genre isn't getting its own subgrpu
 * [13:18:57] <PanSola> d-:
 * [13:19:20] <ChurchReborn> :-O
 * [13:19:35] <Hakaisha> yeah so then people shouldnt get lost
 * [13:19:40] <PanSola> Current divisions in my mind are: "MMO" "Video Games (that are not MMO)" "Role playing (that are not video game RPGs)", "Board games (and anything else not included so far)"
 * [13:20:06] <PanSola> and besides MMO, the naming for the others are currently too complicated
 * [13:23:33] <PanSola> Hakaisha: so if I just have it as "RP" you think the traditional RPG folks (D20/D&D) would intuitively feel they are in that tab?
 * [13:24:37] <Hakaisha> Well I would think so.
 * [13:25:35] <PanSola> so, "MMO", "Video Game (that are not MMO)", "Role Playing", "Misc"
 * [13:25:46] <PanSola> I'd like to make two of those terms sound better

-PanSola 19:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Bump'd