Forum:Randomly demoted

If this is the wrong place for this, then I'm sorry.

Ok, so I was a admin on a wiki and I got demoted completely randomly. The bureaucrat doesn't like me, and tries to start arguments with me all the time. I'm constantly asking him not to, but he still does it. He even tries to antagonise people, and when they defend themselves, he threatens to block them. I completely can't reason with him.

A while ago, there was a thing about not editting other user's character pages, which as a common rule with fanons, is to not edit other user's pages. So, he told me to protect them, so I did.

Now, he's accusing me of not doing any administrative duties, when I've hardly ever had a chance to or been asked to.

He didn't even give me any warning that he was going to demote me, or even try to teach me how I should be a admin.

What do I do? ♣ Scarly ♠ Dream ♣


 * If the bureaucrat is abusing his powers, you can use Special:Contact on your wiki to report him, but you should try to work it out with him.  DaRanger ( Chat With Me ) 16:55, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've tried reasoning with him hundreds of times, but he just threatened to block or demote me. I don't understand, how do I use that thing on the wiki? He does abuse his powers a lot, and his attitude makes it so difficult to be on the wiki. ♣ Scarly ♠ Dream ♣ 17:06, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * On you wiki, type Special:Contact in the search box. There provide your username (should be there already), an e-mail, and leave a message explaining what is going on. In a day or two, you will be contacted by a member of Wikia Staff, who will do something.  DaRanger ( Chat With Me ) 17:11, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Would they contact me by email? And, would the bureacrat be able to see it? I hope not, I don't want him to have a go at me, because of it. I don't want to go through all that again. I'm actually worried he'll see this, and have a go at me. ♣ Scarly ♠ Dream ♣ 17:17, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * He would contact you be e-mail. If you don't want to do it on your wiki, you can do it here, just point out the wiki it is on. Don't worry about him finding out, if he does, he should be nice due to being scared. But it sounds like it should be reported.  DaRanger ( Chat With Me ) 17:21, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I will report it. Thank you for all your help. That first contact link was for this wiki, wasn't it? ♣ Scarly ♠ Dream ♣ 17:26, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was. And you are welcome :)  DaRanger ( Chat With Me ) 17:29, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Scared? I got no reason to be scared, the other Bureaucrat on the wiki supported this desysopping. I can forward the email to Wikia if they wish to have it.


 * Okay now for my side of this issue. First of all I want to make it clear to people here, that this user has a history of always playing the victim and that I do not hate her, something which I have stated many times, and which I am sick of repeating. It is even stated by the other Bureaucrat on the wiki on my talkpage and in my emails that she plays the victim. But a bit of background before I go on. What started this whole issue off was another admin editing one of the OC's pages she created. She snapped at him for editing the page and threatened to quit the wiki when she was told that the pages are public domain and that anyone can edit them. At the time I told her to protect the pages, but then decided it was not fair on others who have OC pages. The admin she snapped at in question made a forum topic about it here.


 * This prompted a discussion on the wiki about new rules, where the only rules she put forward regarding OC pages only suited her and no one else. Also she blames me for every debate that happens on the wiki. That is true actually, but the wiki in question has a debating blogs feature, so I will sometimes start a debate. What I am willing to do is forget the issue and move on, but the point is she never got desysopped randomly. She was desysopped for a number of things, mainly ownership issues. Dan the Man 1983 17:48, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Boy, I honestly do not know what side to be on now. So, I am getting out of it while I can. <font face="Comic Sans MS"> DaRanger ( Chat With Me ) 18:14, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

I know that DaRanger has left this conversation, but as bureaucrat number 2, I'd like to add a couple things in:

Said user does react as the victim often, as in, when she snaps at users she gets Dan off her back by saying "I've already told you how hard my life is through YouTube." I do not know if she's telling the truth, or lying, or whatever, but whatever it is--it works. Dan's civil, by understanding and trying not to be mean or rude to her, but I think this is the last straw. Said user, also, never really did ANY admin work, whatsoever. No blocks, cleanups, I've never even seen an edit to the CANON side of the wiki, which I feel should be a requirement. The only thing I've seen her do with her powers was protect her OC pages, which, as Dan said, are public domain. Let's not forget the drama that was stirred up when she proposed stopping ALL edits to OC pages. Everyone got into fights. Ever since the Wiki was re-founded, I'd added that users were allowed to edit other's pages for broken links or spelling errors, which was why she got angry at a user who edited her page. Dan and I have tried to explain--Wiki rules aren't all exactly the same.

"Never had a chance to or be asked to". Well, there's been TONS of vandals who've I've had to block myself. Of course we're not supposed to ask, we trusted her to know when to kick into admin mode. The only time I've seen her use her powers for something that needed admins and b'crats was deleting a user's--whom she got into many, many, MANY arguments with--old blogs.

I've never seen much reasoning going on, at all, in the wiki, to be honest... And he doesn't abuse his powers, not in my opinion. I think he's a good bureaucrat, which is why I granted him the powers in the first place. When Dan is online, things are kept properly and orderly, rules are followed and everyone gets along fine. His attitude doesn't make it difficult to be on there, to be honest, I think it's the constant drama going on there. All about how people say "OCs should be protected" and things along those lines.

Yes, this is a wall of text, but the whole story should be spilt. (Not trying to be biased here, but this is actually what I think.) ﻿<font size= "+1" face="Segoe Print"> Soda  ﻿<font size= "+1" face="Segoe Print"> Cat  01:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Leave it with Special:Contact - staff will evaluate the whole situation, and take action if necessary.


 * Was the wiki in question ever linked to? The fact that neither party linked to the wiki involved makes me suspicious of both sides. -- <span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Who?">Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 12 Jun 2011 6:51 PM Pacific

I believe it is the Bully Fanon or the Bully Wiki.


 * It's the Bully Fanon. ﻿<font size= "+1" face="Segoe Print"> Soda  ﻿<font size= "+1" face="Segoe Print"> Cat  02:42, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mea culpa
Well, I apologize for all of this. It seems my decision to throw my hands up and let things work out without my input didn't work out at all.

I'm a bureaucrat on Bully Wiki and an inactive-administrator on Bully Fanon, and am familiar with the participants without being involved in this one.

I personally prefer that wikis be run very professionally, and it was to an extent an incident with Scarly that caused me to walk away from Bully Fanon. Bully Fanon has people posting fanfiction, and (at the time at least) no rules relating to actual policies at all. Just the usual "no racism no profanity etc", and then these rules weren't really enforced. Long story short I was rearranging the categories and Scarly told me not to edit her fanfic and character pages because it "confused her".

I ended up venting on Wikia, where I was told that there are no global standards, wikis make their own rules, and neither Scarly nor Dan were out of line. Then as I tried to get a rules system set up people started complaining about me. So I threw my hands up and abandoned Bully Fanon Wiki.

as far as Scarly getting desysopped on Bully Fanon, I may be responsible for that too. On a conversation on AOL Instant Messenger, Dan told me he was thinking of desysopping her and complained about the argumentativeness and failure to do any administrative work. I said, roughly, "if she's that bad then go ahead and desysop her". I also said something like "if she's using the tools to protect her pages and other users without rights can't do the same that's abuse of tools". Technically true. Still, a double bad call on my part.

However, and before I say this I don't want it to come across like I'm squealing or ratting someone out, since in this case Dan had my pretty explicit approval. But, there've been issues with Dan deciding to desysop people before. He and I had an argument several months ago where he briefly desysopped me, and a couple years ago he decided to desysop a Bully Wiki administrator who had been inactive for a few weeks, claiming "bureaucrat's discretion" was all the reasoning he needed to do so. In that case I ended up contacting Wikia for support, and CatherineMunro intervened and told Dan that normally the time for a desysopping due to inactivity was more like a year than 3 weeks.

I still don't know what to do about Bully Fanon Wiki. None of the people editing there have the slightest interest in doing anything other than writing fanfiction, and most of them no longer even do that, it's turned into a blogging site for 6 people.

As far as Scarly's sysop rights go, while the rationale for revoking them was on the "fair" side of the line, just taking it with no forewarning of any sort was pretty mean spirited... my personal suggestion is that Bully Fanon Wiki make hard and clear rules about when page protection may be used. As far as other admin stuff, what's there to do? No one writes articles and so there's nothing to do. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 01:56, June 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your mea culpa was not needed, but it does clear alot of things up. As far as things going wrong on a wiki, it happens. Sometimes leaders disagree. Sometimes the right thing to do is walk away. The real problem usually occurs when people's egos override their rational sense and belief in community. When wiki bureaucrats lose their belief in the good of the community, it's pretty much all downhill from there. -- <span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Who?">Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 17 Jun 2011 3:17 PM Pacific