Thread:FishTank/@comment-26923065-20151125023254/@comment-4522253-20151125035209

Hello, Marshall.

Despite my friendship with BadlyBruisedMuse, I can be objective. I also have screenshots of the relevant conversations conducted via Facebook Messenger with Gsbr. I will, if you'll allow, lay out the facts as I experienced them. "I apologize in advance for this message, but your administrator BadlyBruisedMuse has conducted himself in a highly inappropriate manner on another Wikia. He has belittled me for having a different opinion, refused to listen to my arguments, and will not stop fighting with me until he gets his way. Thread If possible, could you let him know his actions are unacceptable and have him take down his post?"
 * I was approached by Gsbr independently via my personal Facebook, having no foreknowledge of the conflict (18-AUG-2015).

- Gsbr

"I'll be brief: each wikia is independent. I don't know if he has violated any policies of Jurassic Park Wikia, and frankly that's none of my business. I find it highly improper to contact me about this, similar to going to a stranger's employer and telling them an employee cheated at cards. If you have an issue with his behavior on that wikia, please contact their admins."

- FishTank

"I've contacted you because this isn't a private matter like a card game. His behavior can be seen by the general public. It's fine if you can't do anything about this, I just wanted to know if you could because the Jurassic Park Wikia's admins have been unresponsive to my messages."

- Gsbr

""Could" is not the issue at hand. "Should" or "would" is. If JP Wikia's admins won't, is it possible that they simply don't agree with your assessment of his behavior and that you may wish to reconsider? First, if you want an honest assessment: you've engaged in a personal attack after an intellectual one. Second, this was 2 months ago, and is hardly a pressing issue. Third, by involving his family and associates in a continued character attack you are going past "cyberbullying" and straight into stalking. By dint of doing so regardless of interstate boundaries, it's now considered a federal crime. So, were I you, I would cease and desist. If you continue contacting his known associates (as I am now aware that you have) in such a manner, it is a simple matter to contact Wikia staff personally, where they may take further action of their own. Have we understood each other?"
 * BBM was quite distraught when I attempted to contact him regarding the situation. BBM's mother had been privately contacted by a wikian, causing difficulty for him. When I asked if it was Gsbr, he responded that it was. I compared notes with him about the situation. I can not confirm BBM's allegations, nor was it my place to posit an opinion on the multiple threads on JP Wikia where the two had conflicted. I responded a couple of days later (21-AUG-2015).

- FishTank

"I understand. You will hear no more from me."

- Gsbr

"Based on interactions including http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:30269 I am sending this up the chain for conflict resolution at the Staff level. I understand that the full scope of the conflict between these two is long running, and that threads containing inflammatory material relative to these incidents have been deleted from Wikia. Neither side is blameless for perpetuation of the conflict[...]"
 * And I didn't, initially. However, I did reconsider my actions when I re-read the discussion threads. The intensity and vehemence of Gsbr's arguments and BBM's responses brought me to question a formal inquiry as to whether other actions should be taken at the Wikia level regarding either party. In short, I wanted a Staff opinion based on the situation. So, I filed a ticket (including the screenshots and conversations just mentioned).

- FishTank

"I am going to go ahead and ban Gsbr for violation of our Terms of Use. If he is harassing you outside of Wikia, please let those support departments know as well as obviously Wikia has little jurisdiction there. Hope this helps."

- DaNASCAT

"I know this will end badly for me. I know I’ll be permanently banned from Wikia network, I’ll face criminal charges, and even jail time for sending this message. That’s just how my life is. But since the Wikia staff was contacted and I was banned even though I said I would stop, I have every right to tell you my real thoughts on what you said to me. I’m not going to jump to conclusions and assume you were the one who reported me to the staff, although if you did, that gives me further reason to stand up for myself.
 * I did not file a report on Facebook. I later wondered whether or not I should have when Gsbr contacted me again, seemingly out of the blue, on 11-OCT-2015. By that point, I had established a discussion group with a number of popular wikia admins and Stars. Some looked for contributions on their own and other wikis for patterns of behavior from both participants. The responses, when I provided screenshots and links, frankly averaged out to "What a lunatic!" (referring to Gsbr).

1. From my perspective, the imperative word is “could.” It is up to you to decide whether you “should” or “would” do something, but I simply want to know if you “could” handle what I’m facing. To me, something already “should” be done; I’m the one facing this issue firsthand.

2. What I did is contact a higher authority for assistance. That’s what were told to do when we’re having a problem with another person. We contact those in charge of companies, we contact those who run websites, we contact anyone we believe can help us when there seems to be no end in sight to the conflict between ourselves and someone one else.

3. I find it interesting your “honest assessment” of what occurred between BadlyBruisedMuse and myself only focused on my comments. You said nothing about his conduct. And one person’s wrongdoing does not invalidate another’s.

4. I did not say the admins of the Jurassic Park Wikia found nothing wrong with BadlyBruisedMuse’s behavior. I said were “unresponsive” to my messages; they weren’t even voicing an opinion on what he did. They were flat-out ignoring me.

5. The incident occurred months ago, but would still be going on if I continued to engage with BadlyBruisedMuse. I was trying to avoid exasperating the conflict between us by not directly communicating with him and was waiting in vain for the admins to respond to me.

6. As far as I can tell (and with my luck, I’m completely wrong on this), what I have done does not qualify as cyberstalking. I did not harass BadlyBruisedMuse. You and he might consider my actions to be harassment, but like I said above, what I did is contact a higher authority. That is not illegal. No criminal charges were filed against Curt Schilling for obtaining the personal information of the Twitter trolls who bullied his daughter. And while you probably disagree, the accusations I have made against him are true. What I have said about him is not libel because it is true.

7. So again, while you might not like it, the attacks I’ve made on BadlyBruisedMuse’s character are accurate. He has actually done the things I have accused him of. We are not supposed to ignore and bury an individual’s wrongdoing; they need to realize what they’ve done is wrong, which will hopefully result in them never doing it again. BadlyBruisedMuse is attacking users who disagree with him over edits and will not leave them alone until he gets his way. The fact that he’s been trying to pick fights with OGRastamon on the latter's message wall proves what I’ve been saying about him. Disregard what he’s doing and he’ll continue to push everyone around.

8. I understand that you’re not going to help me and I’m not interested in hearing you threaten me further and justify BadlyBruisedMuse’s behavior. I am only sending this message to demonstrate I will retaliate if you and / or BadlyBruisedMuse try to walk all over me. I did what you said and I still got banned. And it’s a true travesty that a report against me got me immediately blocked, while all my attempts at requesting help with BadlyBruisedMuse were ignored or denied. Seriously, it’s absolutely terrible that I tried to be as honest as possible, yet I was the one who got banned. Again, that’s just how my life is. This is why I know this matter won’t end in my favor. But at least I can take some consideration in knowing I stood up for myself and did all I could possibly do to bring forth a more just outcome."

- Gsbr


 * I did not contact Facebook nor Wikia after that message. I did not respond. I did mention to BBM that Gsbr had been in contact again. Gsbr's Facebook account was either closed or blocked within a day, and I did not choose to pursue any further actions in hope the situation would go away, which it did until today.
 * In the interest of full disclosure, BBM is no longer active on AHSW as an admin, for entirely unrelated reasons. I hope that my friend's elective absence is temporary.

So, there you have it. If I can be of more assistance, let me know.