User talk:Jax-Kenobi

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Wikia new skin
Our opinions on things are often the same more than you may realize. :)

Reading the reaction of wikia, if I petitioned other wikias I strongly fear I would get banned. I have written how this new skin can be stopped, but I value my wikia membership too much to risk getting banned by pursuing this further.

Anno1404 17:16, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * RE: But they can't ban someone for trying to organize a protest. It's abusing admin powers. That's like shooting everyone at a peaceful protest, because you don't like what they're saying about you.
 * Ever edited wikipedia? I did for 5 years. Admins find excuses to ban rebellious editors all the time. There is no equality on wikipedia, in fact wikipedia admins admit as much repeatedly. That is the way it is in all groups. I am positive things are the same here too.
 * I wrote in the forum what can be done, in my last forum message the only way the wikia staff would reconsider.
 * I really don't wanna just sit by and do nothing
 * Deadrising is not a big and influential wikia. You and deadrising wikia have little power. So to change things, you have to be persuasive and influence other wikias. You seem like a decent guy, but I don't think you have the charisma to pull this off. I know I don't. Most people don't. Of the thousands of editors I have met on wikipedia over the years, I only have met maybe three editors who could pull this off, and even for them it would be almost impossible.
 * How are we any different and special than the editors who viciously opposed the Monaco skin? Monaco had much more populat opposition than this new skin.
 * I guess it's your choice to not participate. I'd just appreciate some help.
 * I have participated, I have done everything I can do, without risking my membership on wikia.
 * Imagine if I were to go to the top 10 largest wikias and publicly ask them to not support this new skin with influential arguments.
 * What most probably would happen would these wikias would not want to push for change against the wikia.
 * If some of these wikias did say they wanted change, and seriously threatened to leave wikia, who would the wikia staff blame? Not their shitty skin.
 * In both cases, I would be seen as a troublemaker, and I would get banned. They would find a reason to ban me.
 * You can usually measure your effectiveness by the amount of push back.
 * Our comments are not very influential in the grand scheme of things and are not a big threat to this skin. How do I know this? Because the wikia staff are ignoring them. If we were a real threat to their plans, they would have responded. If we pursue this further, they WILL push back. Anno1404 18:42, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * RE:Dammit... You're right. But this isn't Wikipedia.
 * Every society has a way to silence dissenters, and they always frame it as just, fair, and within the rules.
 * The US itself, like all societies, has a rich and shameful history of this too. Take the "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" supreme court case as one of a plethora of examples.
 * Anno1404 18:50, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks: that was nice. Anno1404 06:26, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

How to get people's attention
Frank, I know you are angry, you know I share your views. I have read your angry comments for a few days. I can relate, I have often said some angry things, then I refactored my comments after I calmed down. I know you want to be heard. We all do. I am so frustrated too.
 * I strongly support you!


 * The haves and the have nots

On wikis as in life, the powerful will ignore the powerless until they threaten their power. Instead of lashing out emotionally, step back and reevaluate the situation intellectually.

When rational discourse has collapsed, you must step back and take a long broad look to determine what that foe values most, then threaten to undermine it.

Ask yourself:
 * 1) Why is wikia changing to oasis, what is their underlying motivation?
 * 2) What has caused wikia to back down before?

Swearing may help you release negative emotion, but try replacing the swear words with other words (use a thesaurus, I do). Instead of saying "the new skin is crap" say "the new skin is disrespectful to the communities wishes". This actually has much, much more power than swearing. When you go off in emotionally, editors will dismiss you.
 * Swearing

I know you want a response, and you justifiably feel like the staff is ignoring you. But swearing at the staff only helps the staff's position: it makes ALL those who oppose the change look bad, as ten of all trades is irrationally and unfairly doing. Instead of making allies, those who support your views will distance themselves from you.

I think I wrote this before: We know we are having an effect, not when the staff tells us to tone down our swearing (as they did with you), but when the staff feel like our arguments are influential enough that they HAVE to respond.
 * There is reason to hope


 * 1) The formation of the AWA and
 * 2) Sarah's blog trying to quell popular anger

...is a really positive indicator. It means the staff feel like they HAVE to respond because some of their power is crumbling and being threatened.

I would suggest toning it down at the least. I would also suggest deleting all of your negative comments, and apologizing to the staff. I am serious.


 * Why would deleting all of your negative comments, and apologizing to the staff not weaken your (our) position, it only strengthens it?

Anno1404 18:48, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hey There
Special:Contact is where you can request the name. The conditions are that you must not edit within two hours of the time you want the name change; you can only request a name that is not registered (as MW:Extension:User Merge and Delete isn't updated/won't be updated to allow current registered names); you are only allowed one name change. As far as I know, they only activated RenameUser either in late July or mid August. Once you get the new name, your old will exist, but not capable of logging in. Hope that clarifies everything. User:Ryan PM 20:15, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

RE:AWA wiki
You silly goose, the AWA wiki is on ShoutWiki. Help:Smelly Users (talk) was last edited at 07:03, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out, I fixed it (just realized datacenter's back up.) Help:Smelly Users (talk) was last edited at 23:18, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blog comment
Hey Frank, I saw a recent comment you left on another user's blog that was quite aggressive, and used some strong language. These types of comments are intimidating to new users, and inappropriate. You are welcome to your opinion about what Wikia is and isn't, but please don't discourage others from using features or expressing their thoughts. I realize that the blog post was a bit off topic, but letting them know that in a more kind way goes a lot further than just yelling at them. Please refrain from doing this. Thanks, Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 18:52, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I admit, that was a bit harsh, but we don't need people just posting stuff that happens in their personal life, since that's not what wikia really is about. I replied to my own comment in a nicer tone. http://images.wikia.com/deadrising/images/3/36/P.png Frank - West  http://images.wikia.com/deadrising/images/3/36/P.png 18:59, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Revote?
What do you think of your site having a revote on leaving? I am actively working on leaving myself :) Anno1404 22:52, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

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