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Please add new messages to the bottom, thanks :) -- sannse (talk)

Janitors
Hello, I have been directed you you in regards of the Janitors project. I was just wondering, will it be opening again? It seems like a good idea, I would think that there would be no shortage of good candidates. Thanks,
 * Hi, I would like to restart it one day, but that day is not today :) I don't know when it will happen yet -- sannse (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

Important: Bad actions
This user:Nifky has helped me create the #diseasewiki channel but after personal actions on the R&C wiki, she banned me from my own channel. I would like the admin credentials back please. Thanks!  Mobutu4  :|   My Talk   16:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, we can't help with this - Wikia doesn't run the IRC channels, we just use Freenode's service. You will have to talk to Freeserve (or make a new channel) -- sannse (talk) 17:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Username at Liberapedia
This user at Liberapedia is asking for a name change and I can't do it as I'm a sysop but not a bureaucrat there. Incidentally I'm the most active administrator at Liberapedia and I feel I should be a bureaucrat. How do I request that? Proxima Centauri 11:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, we don't do name changes on Wikia - because of the shared database. If someone wants to change his username, the best way is to make a new account.
 * You can request bureaucrat rights at Adoption requests -- sannse (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I've made a request and I'm concerned about the future of Liberapedia, if there is serious trouble I may need to promote sysops. Proxima Centauri 19:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

comp problems
a user named PacBoyCraz told me he cannot access the main wikia site due to computer problems. Could you help him out on the Pac-Man wiki? Thanks  Mobutu4  :|   My Talk   00:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, please ask him to use Special:Contact on any wiki to contact us directly... with as much detail as possible. We need to know any error messages, exactly what he sees (a screenshot is always useful), what browser he uses, what page he is trying to access (the exact URL), whether he is logged in at the time, whether he has problems on other sites, and any other info he can give.  The more we know, the more likely we are to be able to help! -- sannse (talk) 18:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Block
How do I block for longer than a year? This user probably needs more than a year to grow up. Proxima Centauri 21:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you select an expiry time of "other", you can type any length of time in there. But I would say that it's very rare that you need to do more than a year.  The chances of him coming back after a year and trying to edit again are remote :) -- sannse (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

More trouble at Atheism
Sorry to trouble you again but a user says he/she can't edit. I don't know if there is a real problem or not. Proxima Centauri 06:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the slow reply. The wiki is set to only allow logged in users to edit, but that includes talk pages too.  So I'm not clear on what he's seeing.  If he still has the problem, it's best that he mails us via Special:Contact, with as much detail about the problem as possible.  A screenshot can help too.  Then we should be able to work out what's wrong -- sannse (talk) 04:08, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Inactive admin on Nonciclopedia
Hi Sannse, we voted for the removal of the admin and bureaucrat rights of the user Skifanick because of his long inactivity. Can you take care of this? Thank you for the help! ;) --MFH (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's done. Sorry for the delay -- sannse (talk) 04:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

*Sigh* Aoe3 Wiki
Hello Sannse, right to business. I have left the Aoe3 Wiki issue alone, but Neverspat hasn't he has blocked me for asking him to merge with the AoE Wiki. This is an unfair ban, as I asked him politely, and he deleted the message. Please unban me, while I am not active there anyways I hate unfair bans.
 * I asked KyleH about this also, to a very unsatisfactory response. Below are IRC logs: [removed for space]


 * Alright then, so he admits that it is unfair, and even agrees with me but does nothing. Wonderful policies you have going here. What will it take, a general vote of Wikia Staff members for the unfair block to be lifted? I once blocked someone unjustly, I am very sorry that I did. I have made very attempt to rectify the situation, and did so before the person needed staff help. Speaking as the accused: If someone is unjustly banned, why don't you just unban them? Perhaps even remove the ban-ers admin privileges if they don't fix the situation? I do not understand this. KyleH said that "we really try to let admins run their own wikis." OK, I can respect that. Just like at school, where a teacher runs his(her) own classroom. Sometimes, however, the Principle needs to intervene in disciplinary issues.
 * The thing here is that it's up to the admins of the wiki itself to decide who/why they block, and as Kyle noted above, it won't affect anything. In reality, nobody will even see that wiki, nor will anybody that doesn't visit the wiki ever find out you were blocked. Unfortunately, blocks can happen for less than regular rules (or ideas...), and I have even had my own experiences there but it's nothing to worry about. The simplest advice you can have for problem wikis like this is to just ignore it. You don't want to edit there, don't need to, so forget it. Nobody cares you got blocked on some problem wiki, so you have nothing to lose, contrast to the wasted time and staff resources used to protest blocks like these :). ~Joey~   ^Talk^  01:58, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what you are saying, but as noted above, I prefer to just avoid these unjustified blocks. Also, why do these "problem wikis" even exist?
 * The matter has been brought to a satisfactory conclusion.

Global block request - 78.151.122.83
He's vandalizing RuneScape wiki. He was blocked, but then he made an account on another wiki (probably) and used it to vandalize. And when that was blocked he did it again. Killr Talk 17:23, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I already apologised... Aaron haaa 17:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * That is irrelevant, you exploited something that allowed you to vandalize. I don't think that it's a good thing to game the system Killr Talk 21:15, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * It certainly isn't. But this is a matter for the local admins, it's better that they look into it rather than I set a global block.  -- sannse (talk) 17:58, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Making an Account
I feel dumb by asking, but I just found an old message from you in my Talk page. In that message, you asked if you can help me, leave a message in here. So, I just wanted to ask, when you create an account, what are the risks when making a wikia account? The reason I wanted to ask was because I have to deal with a guy in Pirates of the Caribbean wikia, who I don't see eye-to-eye right now. So, I thought about making an account to deal with him (or her). But before I do, I am just asking if I should make an account to deal with him (or her), or not.

Thanks for any advice you give me, user 72.10.72.187


 * Hi :) There are no risks that I can think of... you don't even have to give Wikia your email address if you don't want to. And if you do, it's only seen by Wikia staff (unless you reply to an email sent by another user).  And if you do set an email, you can change your preferences to stop all email coming to you from Wikia and from other users.
 * We recommend setting an email address though, because otherwise you won't be able to recover the account if you lose your password. But then you could always make a new account if that happened, so it's up to you. -- sannse (talk) 02:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, Sannse! Thank you for your advice on my problem, but I also have another question about my account. Lets say I make an account, but then I copy and paste stuff after that, do I get in little or BIG HUGE trouble? Once again, I'm just wondering because of the COPYRIGHT LAW, which I just learned, and I'm afraid I'll get in trouble for that kind of stuff. :-(

Once again thanks, 72.10.72.187


 * Yes, it's possible to get in trouble for copying someone else's work without permission... but that's true whether you have an account or not. So it's simply best not to do that! :)  You should write original content, or use text that you have permission to copy -- sannse (talk) 01:26, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

But how do you get permission? Yet again thanks, 72.10.72.187


 * Usually by asking :) -- sannse (talk) 01:08, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

The future...
... of the Fallout Eleventy wiki? There probably isn't one, seeing as most of the community up and left. Oh, and I would have replied on your talk page or the forum there, but I was banned for removing my content...

But thanks for getting this issue resolved! Nitty 21:15, September 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've unblocked you (and others) to allow this discussion. I will also delete your content on request, although I would rather we sorted things out and got this back to being a fun wiki that you will want to be part of! -- sannse (talk) 01:22, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Odd broken image on runescape wikia's forums
I'm not sure if anyone reported this one when it first started earlier this year, but on the runescape wikia forum (http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/) which is using the phpBB form, there is an "broken" image in front of the first forum ("Tavern").

The image src is "./sannse", which expands to "http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/sannse" (which is not a valid image, but actually returns page not found). I'm wondering, since the image path seems to match your name, if know anything about it. Amaurice (talk) 15:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems my name was in one of the settings - most odd! I've fixed it -- sannse (talk) 19:55, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Amaurice (talk) 08:05, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

A note of Thanks
Dear Sannse, thank you for you assistance in renaming my page titles to Brothers (Showtime Series). I appreciate your help. DragonMage 20:35, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to help :) -- sannse (talk) 17:25, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Titannica page ranking
Many thanks. I have been going through that page's advice tonight since being on the channel. Thank you very much.Nedueb 22:53, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! -- sannse (talk) 17:25, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

More on Janitors
Hey Sannse, do you think that it would be a good idea to put some info on the Project:Janitors page about the IRC channel #cvn-wikia? I completely understand if you don't wish to, as trolls on that channel would not be preferred. It would, however, give users (like myself) who are interested in Wikia-wide anti-vandalism a good place to start. Thanks, 02:15, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Ajraddatz, we will probably be re-vamping that page soon, so probably best to wait until them :) -- sannse (talk) 18:47, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Bot
I'm trying to set up a bot on the Narnia wiki using pywikipedia bot. I'm having trouble. Can you help me? ~Arvan Swordwielder
 * I'm sorry, I know nothing about bots. Try the [|Central forums], there are other users there who use that system and who may be able to help -- sannse (talk) 20:40, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Article Rating
Hello,

I'm a computing science master student at Federal Univesity of Minas Gerais - Brazil and Im doing a reasearch about automatically quality assessment of wiki articles. My last article can be seen here: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1555449

Because of that, I used the wiki api (http://starwars.wikia.com/api.php) to extract all the average votes of an article, but I'm needing to get how many times one article have been voted, because if an article has been voted more than once it might be better than other that has been voted for only one user. Is there any way that I can get this data?

thanks in advance

--DanielHasan 11:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've asked Uberfuzzy to look at this question - not something I know about I'm afraid -- sannse (talk) 20:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Eberron Wiki has been abandoned
Hi Sansse,

As you may recall, some new users at Eberron Wiki proposed that the wiki change from a 'fanon wiki' (a wiki of fan fiction) to a 'canon wiki' (an encyclopedia similar to Forgotten Realms Wiki). This is a major U-turn, so I was a bit worried that these new users might steamroller their way over older users if proper consultation was not started.

Then I found out that someone had somehow killed the forum. You recently offered to help fix the forums, however it turns out that the situation over there is more serious than I thought it was. The only bureaucrat on the wiki has abandoned the wiki.

I don't know what the procedure is for getting a new admin, but the wiki needs to have the process started. TOR (who is a Wikia staff member) is also a sysop at Eberron Wiki. I have contacted them and the seven users with more than 100 edits to try to get them to contribute to the process of deciding the future of this wiki.

I know very little about Eberron, but would love to see this setting get an encyclopedia that is as useful as Forgotten Realms Wiki. But I don't feel that it is fair for new users to come in and change the entire focus of a wiki without the old users getting a fair chance to keep its original vision. (I actually want exactly the same thing that the new contributors want to see, but the old function was also a valid one).

So if you could get the forums working, as you offered, that would be extremely useful.

And if Wikia has any sort of help for election of a new bureaucrat, I'd be grateful if you could post a link over there.

Would it also be possible for you, or someone else in the Wikia staff to put up some sort of alert that ensures that all the other users know what is happening?

Someone has pointed out that if the wiki changes focus there are nearly 900 pages that will all need to be checked to see if they contain fanon or canon. I don't know if there is anyway to automatically put all of the pages into some sort of 'this needs to be checked' category, but I think the canon-wanters need to be given some advice on how much work their change in focus might be creating.

Finally, if I haven't already given you enough problems: if the users want to try to put both canon and fanon on the same wiki, I personally think that would be very difficult to do, but if people vote to do that, I think the will need advice on creating a new namespace as well as categories and templates that help instantly make the two types of content look different.

Thanks in advance for your help. David Shepheard 19:11, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, so let's see...
 * I'll try and pop over to fix the forums this evening - it's certainly a good way to get conversations going
 * How the community chooses to select new admins and bureaucrats is up to you. I'd suggest simply talking it over in the forum
 * I can understand your worries about new users over-riding the preferences of the older users, but remember that communities always change over time :) The best thing to do is discuss it as a group, and consider the many options.  you could split in to more than one wiki, or use separate namespaces for fanon and canon, or choose to concentrate on one area, or use the blogs for fanon, or many other ways of organizing the wiki!
 * You could probably get help from the Central Forums if you want a bot to add a "check" category to all pages. There are lots of users that can do this sort of change.
 * Any admin on Eberron can set a site notice, that will let people know of the discussions.
 * Have I missed anything? Basically, my advice is to talk it over, and take it slow.  Remember, it's a wiki!  It doesn't all have to be changed at once.  You can make your decisions as a community, and work on making the wiki be what you want it to be over time.  Have fun! -- sannse (talk) 23:56, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Did you finished ?
Hi Sannse. I want to ask you if you finished your control about the article "dofus" in "désencyclopédie" there is one month ago you erased it to see an eventual bad contain. When do you think you will be able to reedit it ? Sorry for my bad English and my expression. Electre 16:58, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Electre. My French is much more of a problem!  Which is really the issue with the Dofus page.  I can see that it is likely to be rather offensive, perhaps even to the level of it being a legal issue, but I don't have the French knowledge to really assess it well.   I was hoping that the admins would be able to look and see if it should be on the wiki... perhaps a rewrite would be best?  It's always hard to find the right line where satire is concerned, but it would certainly be best if we didn't have to have lawyers involved!  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 00:05, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Admin is inactive on Finnish ikariam wiki
Hi Sannse! On Finnish ikariam wiki (fi.ikariam.wikia.com) admins are inactive: Mcjanne last logged in 12.5.2009 kello 17.11 ; Sanssuman last logged in 22.6.2008 kello 10.46

In Wikia is many spam pages and edits. I am worried about the future of Finnish ikariam wiki! Please help us... --Ilkea 18:01, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, the best thing to do is for you and any other active users there to talk about who should be admins, and then ask on Wiki adoption requests :) -- sannse (talk) 20:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

zoids wikia
hi! i'm the current admin of zoids wikia. i would like to report 3 users, who because of certain site restrictions, who decided to put up a site, namely zoid wikia, and has started ripping-off articles from the former site which they explain as making a back-up? you can check their site at zoid.wikia.com and compare articles and also find out who they are. hoping for advise on what action to take. thank you. --Hollow ichigo 02:16, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, the first thing to do is to remind them that using the content from another wiki requires attribution (unless they are the sole authors of the article). It's OK to use content from other wikis, but you need to include on each page the source of the text. If they won't do that, then please email us via Special:Contact and we'll look into the probem. -- sannse (talk) 01:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Help with editing
How di I help this user edit? Proxima Centauri 12:55, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like he's made a start already :) I would tell him to experiment on community test and learn what works.  Then to jump in and make any improvements he can.  The best way to learn is to try! -- sannse (talk) 01:33, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Pierlot
[discussion removed]

Please see w:c:stad:User talk:Sannse for my reply. -- sannse (talk) 01:37, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Cloaking
In order to get a cloak do we have to get 50 edits on central or on all wikia?-- Ced1214 Halloween Mode!! 20:41, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, on any wikia is fine -- sannse (talk) 23:15, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * K-- Ced1214 Halloween Mode!! 23:56, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Listen
Sannse, listen. You refused to crosswiki ban Pierlot. I want you to do it anyway. You know why? Because he is a a worthless user with no good intentions. You said you would not do this. Because "we are just playing a little game here". That's bullshit and you no it. I think your statement was demeaning. And you must know that in any game, the ones that refuse to play by the rules are kicked out. We are dead serious now. Pierlot needs to be kicked off Wikia. No kidding. You know it, I know it. Let's block the bastard crosswiki and you will not hear from us again for a long time. It is the best for all of us. And in the best interest for Wikia itself. Dr. Magnus 15:41, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Magnus they wont listen 83.161.230.43 17:43, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Calm down please, Pierius. 18:35, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, calm down. And while your at it, work on your langauge, there are much politer ways of saying things. Btw, the word Know should be in there where you said "you no it". -- 18:39, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

arcapedia:
Hi Sannse, long time no see. You've always taken care of this for me in the past so I hope you don't mind me contacting you again. If you remember, we arranged the inclusion of an arcapedia: interwiki shortcut (like, , etc.), which previously pointed to http://starcadia.sasoriza.us/wiki/. That link no longer works; the new link is http://www.sasoriza.us/a. Simple database tweak will change it. If you could pass it on, that would be great, and thanks as always for your help. --User:Sasoriza 16:01, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've updated the listing, it should update fully the next time the update script is run. -- sannse (talk) 23:04, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Um... did someone revert it? I checked it yesterday; was working... Today it's back to the old link. (?) – Sas 05:43, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a caching problem - with the change migrated to some servers and not others. It should catch up after a while -- sannse (talk) 16:53, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Still hasn't caught up. – Sas 21:58, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Werewolfhell
The guy didn't take your dealing of the situation very well.

http://left4dead11ty.wikia.com/wiki/Nitpicker

http://left4dead11ty.wikia.com/wiki/Spoon

http://left4dead11ty.wikia.com/wiki/Spoonfield

Personal attacks, yes?

Spoon Leave me a freakin' message 13:26, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * "Also, make sure you don't listen to anybody on that wikia except for Six Dog.There all dumbasses, you needn't interact with them.They blocked me out of idiocy anyway. Werewolfhell 17:32, October 21, 2009 (UTC)"


 * Taken off of http://left4dead11ty.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Supermutantslayer450


 * Now, I don't know about you, but calling Wikia staff 'dumbasses' doesn't seem like a good idea. I really don't think somebody like this should be allowed to use the site if all he's going to do (and has done) is spread lies and insult everybody and his mother. Nitty 22:37, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * The best way to deal with attacks of that kind? Ignore :)  Remember, Don't feed the trolls! -- sannse (talk) 23:32, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignoring it is easy, yeah, but not when he's touting it as truth to other users, like Supermutantslayer450. I prefer not to have people listening to rumors from trolls. >.< Nitty 20:44, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Take the high ground, tell your side of the story as necessary, and ignore the rest :) It really is the best way -- sannse (talk) 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Undo, block, ignore (or something like that :D) 23:15, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I thought you'd moved
Your page still says, "I live in a small town on the East coast of England". -- ◄mendel► 23:18, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point! I'll fix that :) -- sannse (talk) 00:49, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sysop abuse/misunderstanding
A sysop on Smash Wiki called PenguinofDeath has banned me and my two friends (Ba-boom headshot!!! and MaxPain90) because we use the same IP. He accuses us of sock puppetrey because another person on our wiki was a real sockpuppet. I requested unblock for the three of us but he hasn't responded even though he is currently editing other pages. We edit in a computer lab with multiple computer. So I would like you to unblock us and talk to PenguinofDeath about it. Thank you. Tuth the tough Mii  You got owned!   Visit Mint Brick Wiki! 
 * Did you have to leave the same message for 2 different staff members? If you wanted to contact any of them, Special:Contact would of done it. -- 16:33, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Might I also point out that this is really a local wiki thing. You can still edit your talk page, so argue the ban there. I am sure that the admin in question knows a lot more about the situation than Sannse does. 16:45, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Look at this. Author requested to close the project. Alaar 12:10, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, That page has no content as far as I can see... But either way, we don't usually close wikis with content, we leave them for future users to adopt. You can use Special:Contact if you want to discuss this further, but the wiki is fine waiting for adoption for now. -- sannse (talk) 16:55, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

usercheck
I was just wondering are you able to do "userchecks", or whatever you call those, when you check that are some users sock puppets to each other. Hehee 14:48, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes she can, if you want users IPs checked then use Special:Contact. 17:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok good, I was just asking. Thank you for info. Hehee 19:59, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

83.161.230.43
I ask you again. Please give the IP 83.161.230.43 a cross wikia bann. That means a block on every single wikia there is. I am sure such an action is a possibility. And this IP has been vandalising ever since 2007 on every single wikia it is on. The user (Pierlot, Klaast, PatatjeOorlog) curses, threatens other users repeatedly and removes text from articles. He has been given numerous changes. Not just one. Or two. Or even ten chances. No. He has been given as many as 30 chances if not more. And now it is over. Only a crosswiki bann can stop him. He keeps staling and harassing me and others, and he does not stop. Every single Wikistad user agrees this is the best solution. Dr. Magnus 16:54, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[excess messages removed]


 * Dr. Magnus, one message really is enough. I get to talk page messages as soon as possible (I've just got in to the office for Monday morning, so didn't see them before this).  I'll move this discussion to email, and get back to you later today. -- sannse (talk) 17:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Spam?
I'm not sure what this is but you or Sannse have deleted similar material before. I don't want to delete it or to block the user without being sure it's spam. If you're sure please delete and block. Proxima Centauri 15:24, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes it's spam. We get rather a lot of Russian spam across Wikia for some reason.  The best way to check is to paste the content into Google translate, that usually shows if it's the random type text that comes with spam.  I've deleted and blocked Wikia-wide  -- sannse (talk) 17:30, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I've just deleted this, I suppose it's spam. Proxima Centauri 16:03, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Image search on italian uncyclopedia
Hi Sannse, in italian Uncyclopedia when I search a file, on the page the thumbnails are not visualized. Doing so we need to open each file found to search for the suitable one. You can restore the old visualization? Thanks! --Nonciclopediologo talk 14:46, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's something we hope to include in a future version of this search. It is a nice addition, but not one that works with the new search yet.  Sorry -- sannse (talk) 01:17, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank's Sannse, now it's very difficult to search an image, and I hope that the addition is made as soon as possible. --Nonciclopediologo 02:04, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Signature
Why in our wiki at the last button is your signature?.

We tried to find out where the error comes, but not found. --Chincheta 17:33, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't understand. Perhaps you could show me a screenshot of the problem?  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 18:35, November 4, 2009 (UTC)