User talk:Sannse

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Please add new messages to the bottom, thanks :) -- sannse (talk)

Thank you
Thank you for your help with the interwikis, the name change and adminship of the Polish edition. I'm giving you a real Dutch tulip for it :). --Karsten vK (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem! and thanks for the tulip, that's really good of you :) -- sannse (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Quartz links at the bottom
Hi Lisa, I have to run off to dinner but since you're around, I was pondering this today. Like I said in chat: speaking of ads, i'm wrestling with how to approach SocietyOfRobots.com about moving their site here...they're looking for a new host, they have almost 300K views per month, and more important, they're just the right kind of people...very wikipedish in their passion and values. But I was wondering if they would want to move to a site where the last 8 lines of every screen are devoted to game links and other wikia-specific stuff...that wouldn't look right on their messageboards, or at least they might think so. Obviously, they'd be willing to do a lot for free hosting, I imagine, but I notice that the Star Trek wiki in Wikia doesn't have all that stuff at the bottom, is that an option for a new wiki? - Dan Dank55 21:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Memory Alpha mostly still uses monobook skin, that's why the links aren't at the bottom. I'm not sure what would be allowed for a new wiki, although it does get awkward to maintain many wikis if there are too many special cases.  The best person to talk to about this is Angela, she handles a lot of moving wikis, and will know more than I.  -- sannse (talk) 21:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks...ah, I didn't know it was due to monobook. I'll talk with Angela and the guys over at SocietyOfRobots.com and see if they're interested, and if so, if we can get a meeting of the minds, I really don't have any idea what they want.  Their site has a certain Spartan look to it. - Dan Dank55 22:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Blocking Policy pages
Can I ask you to please protect all Blocking Policy pages?(EDD! 00:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC))

Ban against italian IP
Excuse me, I would like to complain about the ban against Italian users. I don't think it's democratic nor useful to ban an entire nation for a few cases of vandalism. Moreover, there are some pages about Italy, which contains only quotes from the videogame super Mario, and other pages with absolutely uncorrect quotes in italian. If you allow us to help, we'd help to correct some really horrible mistakes. Thank you for considering my request. I'm looking forward to the end of this ban. You can contact me here http://nonciclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Leonidas91

Best wishes, Andrea


 * Hi. Are you talking about the ban in Uncyclopedia?  That's the decision of the Uncyclopedia admins (yes, I am one, but I'm talking as staff here).  The feeling was that there was simply so much vandalism from that range, that it was better to block it even though that would be inconvenient for some users.  It's not the whole of Italy of course, just one ISP (though a large one).  If the problem user in question has moved on, then it might be possible to remove the ban.  But last I heard he was still causing problems around Wikia. -- sannse (talk) 12:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Namespaces
Hello Sannse, I have a small request concerning namespaces on pl.mightandmagic Wikia. I would like to change the Project namespace (ns2) name, from the de facto wiki name into Meta:, and also add two more: Might and Magic: and Heroes:. I've made similar request about another wiki a year ago and you passed me to another person - however, either I cannot use the Wikia search engines, or this person vanished somehow :P Please, answer me on pl.mightandmagic. Have a nice day and thank you in advance for your help. Michał 16:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've done this.  Since last time you asked we've been given new tools, so any member of the community team can help with this now :) -- sannse (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

IP/Possible sockpuppet
Hi Sannse, this is Brandon Rhea from the Star Wars Fanon Wiki. Could you please tell me if two users, Taelm360 and Nephlyte348, share the same IP address? I have a hunch that the former may be a sockpuppet of the latter being used to vote for themselves in a community awards event, so I just want to make sure that this user isn't breaking our Voting Policy and Sockpuppet Policy. You can put your answer here or on my talk page on Star Wars Fanon. Whatever's easier for you. - Brandon Rhea 00:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. No, there isn't a match on IPs.  Of course, that doesn't always mean there isn't a match on users, but I can't verify it this way. -- sannse (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Joepedia adminship: election?
There are, as far as i know, only 2 active contributors. Me and NebulanFree. The rest are minor. Is there no way to turn me into an administrator? --Destron Commander 05:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry I missed your previous message. Yes, I can make you an admin, but I think it would be rather rude to the other active contributor to do so without his input - and without the possibility of him also becoming an admin.  And this could be a great opportunity to get those minor editors involved!  I'm not saying you need to have a big election, but I think that a discussion between you and NebulanFree and anyone else willing to get involved would be a good thing to do -- sannse (talk) 21:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Namespace and interwikis
Hi, could you please rename a project talk namespace on ru.solutions wiki? It's "Обсуждение_ВикиПрохождения" now, but needs to be "Обсуждение_ВикиПрохождений". There aren't any pages in that namespace yet. And it would be great if ru.starcraft and starcraft wikis could be crosslinked by en: and ru: interwikis. Could you please setup it? Thank you. Медиа (Media) 09:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done and done. The namespace change should show up fast, the interwikis within the next 24 hours.  Can you check the namespace?  The project namespace is set as "ВикиПрохождения", it's correct that the talk namespace is different?  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is correct. In Russian genitive form is different for many words (including "ВикиПрохождения"). Normally every Russian wiki should have customized project_talk namespace. Maybe we should add two fields to a new wiki request form: project namespace title (it offen is not the same as ) and project talk namespace. Медиа (Media) 11:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

interwiki templates
Hi Sannse! Hope you had great holidays.

I noticed certain Central-based interwiki templates aren't propagating across wikias. Case in point: startrekfooter, here (jump to the bottom). I've tried w:c: and all that. Any idea why or how to fix it? Thanks, --Sasoriza 22:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To add on to that, starwarsfooter isn't working either. - Brandon Rhea 03:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report both, it's been passed to the technical team, hopefully they will have a solution soon -- sannse (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Coen Brothers Wiki
Hiya sannse! I've been told by people that you might be the one to ask about having a Portal namespace added to the Coen Brothers Wiki. Gonk and I already have categories set up for the movies, but we'd really like to see something like Portals instead, much like on Wikipedia (and are there other wikis here with that?). At any rate, let me know if it's possible, and whether you think it's practical, and whether you could do it for us. Thanksamillion! Graestan ( Talk ) 07:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can do that. Just to confirm, you want an additional namespace called "Portal" (with "Portal talk") yes?  -- sannse (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be quite nice, and much appreciated. Thank you! Graestan ( Talk ) 16:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, That's done! -- sannse (talk) 22:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

heh
She never did remember to get these like I predicted :) -- 06:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She did before I did it seems - what a week! Sorry about that -- sannse (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hidding rigth side menu
Hi, Sannse i found this its a very nice javascript that hides the right side menu of quartz and im curious to know if it does not go against any of the wikia policy (since i want to use it), mostly because it does not do an automatic hide but rather one has to manually hide it by clicking. --Cizagna (Talk) 19:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Cizagna, I'll get back to you on this one very soon -- sannse (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Cizagna. It took some discussion, but the conclusion was that it is hiding the ads, and so is against our terms and conditions.  Sorry -- sannse (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well i keep seeing that result =(, can it be use at a personal level, well my question is more like: can at personal JS/css use things to hide the ads? for example css display:none... would that go against wikia terms and conditions?--Cizagna (Talk) 14:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Adding css/js to your personal stylesheets is fine. However, something like putting up a sitenotice to persuade others they should do the same isn't.  But we won't complain about any personal js/css you want to add that only affects you :) -- sannse (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

A graphics request
Hello there, Sannse. I saw on your userpage that you like to create favicons based on the logo. I wonder if you know someone who would be able to create logo for us (or maybe you can do this?), based on this cover (the stylised "Might and Magic" - without the number VI and "the mandate of heaven" subtitle, and a dragon)? Then I'd like you to create a favicon for us - of course if it causes no trouble for you and you have sufficient time for this. :) Michał 21:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You could ask at Forum:Logo creation campaign for someone to help with a logo, I'd love to, but I don't think I'll have time! I will try to have a go at a favicon though, but if you can get someone else to help, that might be faster -- sannse (talk) 19:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Crash Bandicoot wiki question
Can you close editing to the main page of this wiki: Crash Banicoot wiki -Dingocrikey


 * There is rarely a need to lock the main page of a wiki, especially a young one. It's much better to leave it open and try to get people to improve it!  -- sannse (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Spotlight not working on Math
For some reason, the "Wikia Spotlight" image is not working on the English Mathematics Wikia, and instead a raw URL is being shown (see upper right corner of page). This is working in all the other languages (German, Spanish, French, Korean, Russian, Italian, Portuguese), just not in English. - dcljr 23:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh... Nevermind. It wasn't working right up until I left the above message. Now it's working again. - dcljr 23:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Computers... they are out to get you! ;) -- sannse (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

music forum
just a quick word of thanks for setting the forums up over at w:c:music. I'm hoping it will help bring a community together

--Anarchyuk  (talk) 17:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, and good luck! -- sannse (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

mediawiki
first up, thanks for making me and HeckoX as bureaucrats in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Next, I need to know how Wikia Central, Star Wars Wiki and Final Fantasy Wiki managed to keep the margin on the right side of an article's content area, because no matter how I tweak it, the ad on the right is either overlapped or the right margin just disappears. hope you can help or point out who to call for help. Thanks in advance :) Blue. 20:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm going to ask JaeSharp to come over and see if he can help you... he's great at fixing problems like this :) He'll be with you soon -- sannse (talk) 14:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Removing Wikia account help
Hello,

How can I remove my Wikia account and account login details? This si becoming very frustrating. Could you advise?

Many thanks, Jack


 * I'm sorry you want to close your account. Is there a problem I can help with?


 * We don't have the ability to remove usernames, but you can disable the account by changing your password to random characters. Just go to Special:Preferences and make the change. -- sannse (talk) 14:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot status request
Hi, I've been running a bot program I've written on a separate account on the Runescape Wiki a few days and I'd like it to be given bot status if that's possible, so that people can filtered its edits off of the Recent Changes page.

PointyBot user page

I was told you'd be the person to speak to - I have the support of 3 other admins and one editor - is that enough to be considered consensus? I'll check back here if you want to keep the conversation in one place.

Thanks,

Pointy 23:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Runescape has a lot of editors... four people isn't many from there. Did anyone say that they objected to the bot?  Did you ask somewhere that people will see the question and have a chance to comment?  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 14:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've posted the link a few times in the #rswiki IRC. No-one's objected so far, but I'm happy to keep canvasing for more support if it's needed. I'll post here again once I've got a few more people on board. Cheers, Pointy 15:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The best thing is to ask on the wiki, where everyone can see and commnet. Let me know :) -- sannse (talk) 18:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I've doubled up - there's 9 supports now. How many do you think you'd need in order to be happy with botting the account? Pointy 16:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's fine :) thanks for taking the time to check with the community. I've added the flag to PointyBot -- sannse (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Administrator
Hi, I would like to know what I need to do to become an Administrator of Charmed Wiki, I have been dedicating some time to the Wiki, in fact I already started organizing it, and I would like to turn it into a great Wiki of the series, last year I was increasing the articles of the episodes but I stopped so I could finish my studies, now I would like to continue, but there are few active users (I do not know if there are managers visiting the Wiki), what can I do? Thanks.... (NOTE: If you want answer me here, I'll be checking to see your response) --Hafrp3 05:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I recently made Lieutenant Ayala admin and bureaucrat there, so the best thing is to talk to them. Looks like the wiki is getting a good restart!  Good to see you editing there -- sannse (talk) 19:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will talk to them....--Hafrp3 20:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

IRC stats
"sans knew exactly what to say, mentioning ':)' 31 times."

http://greenreaper.co.uk/stats/wikia/wikia.html




 * I guess the only thing I can say to that is... :) -- sannse (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry
Hello, Sannse. This is Bluerfn from the Kingdom Hearts Wiki again. There is a vandal with the account User:Edudlive who was previously a vandal in the Final Fantasy Wiki, and has now tried to do the same in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. He made another account User:Edudlive2 there, both were blocked recently. I would like to ask if both of their IPs are the same as User:Cloudofdarkness, because there are occurrences in the Final Fantasy Wiki that point User:Cloudofdarkness and User:Edudlive are the same person. You can answer here or in my talk page, or wherever is convenient to you, thanks. Blue. 06:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't get any results for Edudlive or Edudlive2, so can't compare them - looks like their edits fall outside the area I can search in. Sorry -- sannse (talk) 20:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Does that mean that both of this accounts are not the same as the editor account above? In any case, I just hope we don't have cases of vandalism from these guys. Thank you for your time. Blue. 20:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I means I can't tell either way... sorry about that -- sannse (talk) 11:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

New sysop for CCM Wikia
Good Morning!

The sysop/admin for the Canadian Cadet Movement wiki has abandoned the project (He posted a note, locked his talk page and self-banned). Of the other two, 1 has never made any comments or posts since the creation of the site and may be a secondary account of DrWand and Pedro has not made any posts since he was accused of being a sockpuppet (but shown not to be).

Would it be possible for the active users to nominate a new sysop? J-P 14:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "has been chased off" would be rather a better description than "has abandoned" - a very sad thing. But he was careful enough to leave new admins in place, and I'm content to leave it as that for now. -- sannse (talk) 17:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

2 new interlangs on Math
A few days ago I left a message in the Help Forum about 2 new languages for the Math Wikia, and was told to contact "staff" about it. I see you're staff as well as an admin, so can you enable interlanguage linking to the two new languages (via   and   )? If so, TIA. - dcljr 20:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've updated all the interlanguage links for all eight Maths wikis. It can take up to 24 hours for this to show on wiki, so please check after that and let me know of any problems.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Another Crash Bandicoot wiki question
Can you make it that only a user can edit their own user page, on this wiki:Crash Banicoot wiki -Dingocrikey


 * Wikis are designed to be as open as possible, and there is really no need to lock down the User namespace in this way. If there is a problem, then specific pages can be protected.  But generally any vandalism can be reverted quickly and easily, and any good edits are... good!  So, no, I can't do this.  Sorry -- sannse (talk) 11:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

en.anime to anime

 * / You were wrong sannse... There is a redirect, but there are issues with it...

http://en.anime.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Anime-Common.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s&templates=expand

Actually redirects to http://en.anime.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page insted of:

http://anime.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Anime-Common.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s&templates=expand

Like it should... And this is causing every wiki including the global scripts to have their JS and CSS that depends on it or pages which use it to become broken.

I'll fix all the references in a bit, but perhaps the techs should find some way to fix this so that the query is kept when a page is redirected. There are other possible references in use that could break. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) (tricks) (current topic) Jan 24, 2008 @ 05:40 (UTC)


 * Hi Dantman, I've asked JSharp to have a look at this -- sannse (talk) 19:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Semantic mediawiki
Yes, I'm interested in testing this extension that I've been praying for for months ;) - TIA --Lirielle 10:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC) (sysop on Dowus Wikia)


 * Cool! I'll send you the link -- sannse (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

w:c:Dofus server image issues
for some reason the following images appear as blanks.
 * w:c:Dofus:Image:Amakna_Beer.png
 * w:c:Dofus:Image:Alakarte_Inn_Beer.png
 * w:c:Dofus:Image:Astrub_Beer.png

--Cizagna (Talk) 16:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I see them all... maybe a bit slow to show from the image server? -- sannse (talk) 20:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah you won me the edit xD (and this constants database locks >.>), Lirielle overwrited the files to put the proper ones, but still if you see the file history it has 0 bytes 0x0 size.
 * on a side note im seeing the same issue in the special upload log that i reported/saw with the problem report log i see "overwrited" but i dont see what has been overwrite i have to enters that users contributions so i can know what has been overwrite i will report this also in the 1.12 bug page at forums --Cizagna (Talk) 20:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cizagna, I've checked, and the "overwrite" bug is in the system. On the uploaded 0 byte files, sounds like a glitch, I would say let's see if it happens again.  -- sannse (talk) 12:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

adopting an abandoned wiki
Hi, I was interested in adopting the parawiki (ParaWiki Main Page) and wondered how do I go about finding or becoming an administrator (or burocrate (sp)) in order to actually run the wiki? Thanks for you help! --Rocksanddirt 23:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see the bureaucrat there has made you an admin... good work on the wiki! -- sannse (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

SciFi Wiki
Is there a way to get more people to help enlarge the SciFi Wiki because me and Steed are the only ones who have been doing anything on it. Also who is supposed to be in charge of the wiki? and is there a way for one of us to become an administrator on the wiki?--UESPA 17:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like the founder has moved on... I've made you and Steed admins.  There is some advice on how to promote a wiki at w:c:help:Attracting Contributors.  The main thing is to go to places where there might be interested people, and tell them about it.  Of course, you shouldn't spam, that will just annoy people.  But if you can inform and invite people, then hopefully some will come to the wiki.  Good luck -- sannse (talk) 12:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much!!!and how exactly do you use these powers as an administrator?--UESPA 21:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the useful links are new ones a the top of articles (log out and in again if you can't see them) allowing you to delete and protect articles, or on "Special:Specialpages" which has an admin section at the bottom now. See Help:Administrators' how-to guide for some help with using the new tools. -- sannse (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You wannted to talk?
I'm Jimbo the cheese FORMER andministrator of the vetetarian wikia, untill they took my powers, my position, my glory from me! I HATE THEM! i tried to destroy them, i used my admin powers to block one, but annother attacked me and unblocked the one i defeated, but my actions were justifed weret they, the wikia was dead, i was the only editor, i tried to revert it so i could start again. so they were justified right? Jimbo the cheese 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You were putting rather silly and inappropriate notices on the main page, and then deleting content randomly, that's not helping the wiki. I removed your admin flag, because you seemed to be playing some sort of a game with the wiki, and not working to improve it as an admin should.  What's this all about?  -- sannse (talk) 11:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I might step in here. allow me to introduce myself i am identifyed as Gigatronalmighty and my brother is none other than the deranged User:Jimbo the cheese, his actions were clearly unjustified and i might adress you here on this subject, it'll be his turn on the computer soon, and he'll want his sysop position back. See if you can talk some sence into him. Gigatronalmighty 08:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don’t wish for my brother to be a part of what i am going through at the moment, you already know so butt out! Anyway, I was playing no game with the wikia, how can I possibly improve a dead hunk of useless information, I had tried, did all I might try to do, I went on expeditions to rival wiki's asked permission to link to them and use some of their information, they didn’t care to answer me. I try and try and try until I get to the point where i say to myself "I need a break, a long break, and when i get back, perhaps some things would have changed, then I could sit at the head of a thriving wiki and be proud of myself, but no when I return what is there, a few users who don’t use it redirecting their pages, so I lose it, in fact i decide to DROP THE GAME and reveal my true self. Then I started getting rid of what was being more of liability than anything, so deciding to do so with a bit of a BANG! i left a rather imaginative notice on the front page and started to remove pages, then some janitor shows up and removes my notice, driving me more insane, so much so that I unleash my sysop powers upon the janitor, but I did not know the extent of their power, they unblocked themselves and continued on their work, I decided to get rough with this guy, (i did not know he was a janitor at the time) and tried to ban him again, but i fount this impossible as a user (who i latter found out was a helper) who identified himself as user:pansolo banned me for three days, with no given reason! Then, YOU come along, take away my status and invite me to talk! Can you imagine how mad I am? I try but get shot down. no one will lend a hand, I’m the ONLY user who ever DID anything on that wiki and its creator, USELESS wont even respond to me, this was not the first time i had an idea to remove the wiki, but that time i made the mistake of asking permission, which i was denied! i had already started "converting" the wiki, and if you research my contributions you'll see what occurred, so now after rolling back my efforts i give up and take that break, what does this wiki mean to YOU anyway? I don’t see you OR ANYONE ELSE editing it.


 * I think a break is a very good idea. Then, if you are interested in building a wiki, my advice is to add content... lots of it.  I'm afraid sitting back and hoping people arrive will never make you the proud founder.  I would also suggest that you drop the dramatics. "unleash my sysop powers"? :)  Sounds as though you think you are playing a game, rather than trying to build a serious wiki.  And remember, founders do not own a wiki.  Which is why staff like me, and other helpers, will step in if an admin is acting unreasonably. -- sannse (talk) 17:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bug
[6:11:08 PM] Charitwo says: hi :)

i haven't figured out what's causing it, but when users create their userpages for the first time, it randomly uses their ip address instead

[6:11:17 PM] Charitwo says: on ffxi~ [6:12:29 PM] sannse says: curious [6:13:08 PM] Charitwo says: doesn't happen everytime, seems to be once every 1-2 days

-- 23:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I need some examples on this, Charitwo... including what the user sees. Are they just accidentally logging out? I'm not clear on what the problem is.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 17:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)