Forum:2008 Feb 24 IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PST (California etc).


 * [13:00:53] * nq2h wonders how long till the chat is supposed to start because this is a strange conversation
 * [13:01:01]  Dashiva: time fory ou to do your self-intro again
 * [13:01:15] * PanSola is from GuildWiki, and happens to be a sysop there
 * [13:01:22] * DuTempete is from Wowwiki
 * [13:01:32] * Hexedmagica is from the FF and KH wikis
 * [13:01:39]  PanSola: You mean it's time for me to do my self-intro
 * [13:01:42] * nq2h is from no wiki right now, and is a b'crat at his imaginary wiki.
 * [13:02:02]  I'm Dashiva, and I'm from 8 minutes into the future (and tabularasa)
 * [13:02:05] * Joins: Otter-Man|RS
 * [13:02:05] * James-001|away is from halopedia and is of late slightly addicted to mass effect
 * [13:02:10] * Simonrjh is Gruntipedia founder and a halopedian
 * [13:02:12] * Richard1990 is a Wikia Gaming Helper, though originally helped out Wikitroid, RuneScape Wiki, Zeldapedia, SSB Wiki, and others
 * [13:02:19] * uberfuzzy from eq2i and wikia
 * [13:03:01]  hi Otter-Man|RS
 * [13:03:01] * Kirkburn has been sober for... I mean is from WoWWiki, Wikia Gaming Helper
 * [13:03:10]  hai
 * [13:03:19] * James-001|away claps for Kirkburn
 * [13:03:21]  wouldn't let me in as just otter-man
 * [13:03:24] * DuTempete thinks Kirkburn is lucky.
 * [13:03:25]  which wiki are from?
 * [13:03:26] * Joins: Azul81677
 * [13:03:33]  hi Az
 * [13:03:37]  hi azul
 * [13:03:40]  Hi :)
 * [13:03:42]  All
 * [13:03:50] * Joins: RR|Neuroscience
 * [13:04:00]  we are doing introductions right now
 * [13:04:06] * RR|Neuroscience is now known as RR|Cell_Biology
 * [13:04:07]  oh, in that case...
 * [13:04:20] * BluerAFK is now known as Bluerfn
 * [13:04:35] * Joins: Hunterj
 * [13:04:39] * Azul81677 is Azul81677 and is a Admin at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and a Moderator at the FInal Fantasy Wiki
 * [13:04:44] * Otter-Man|RS is a sysop at RuneScape Wiki, and very occasinally edits the Custom Robo wiki, which actually sucks
 * [13:04:56] * Bluerfn is just like Azul81677
 * [13:05:31]  welcome back Hunterj
 * [13:05:40] * Playsonic2 is admin at Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto, Zelda and Disney, all in spanish
 * [13:05:44]  intro yes?
 * [13:05:49]  yup (-:
 * [13:06:01] * Skizzerz is Skizzerz and is a sysop at Egamia, Central Wikia, and the Gaming Hub (just discovered that yesterday :P), is a b-crat/adopter of the Magic: The Gathering wiki, and has rollback rights on Wii and Go
 * [13:06:35] <PanSola> "Wii and Go" <- I almost parsed that as "Will and Grace"
 * [13:06:41] <Skizzerz> lol
 * [13:06:48] mmm, mtg, that takes me back about a decade
 * [13:06:52] * PanSola pokes RR
 * [13:07:02] <Otter-Man|RS> he doesn't respond that much
 * [13:07:07] * Hunterj edits a LOT on SWGames, he keeps ratchet and clank wikia running (admin stuff and main page, there are LOTS of IP users there), he also edits on MoH wiki occassionally and the Assassin's Creed wikia
 * [13:07:15] <Otter-Man|RS> he hardly ever talks on #rswiki
 * [13:07:31] <Otter-Man|RS> so don't try poking him
 * [13:07:42] <PanSola> ok, anyways
 * [13:07:46] * Quits: Tomsen
 * [13:07:53] <PanSola> anyone have any issues/questions to bring up?
 * [13:07:54] * Hunterj forgot to say that he is also a sysop on SWGames as well as Ratchet and CLank
 * [13:07:57] <James-001|away> ummmm...well, RR's admin at halopedia and some other stuff...
 * [13:08:05] <PanSola> how are your wikis doing?
 * [13:08:16] <James-001|away> bad
 * [13:08:27] <PanSola> )-: Halopedia?
 * [13:08:32] <Otter-Man|RS> better than last time
 * [13:08:33] <Skizzerz> decent, although an interesting thing came up concerning egamia/the gaming hub
 * [13:08:41] <Azul81677> Good and Good
 * [13:08:50] <James-001|away> this whole points thing? it's not working very well, too many noobs, halopedia is almost too complete
 * [13:08:50] <Otter-Man|RS> on CRWiki...awful
 * [13:08:55] <Hunterj> nothing fmuch from me, just the ususal, need more users on SWGames... Over 2000 articles now :)
 * [13:09:23] <Otter-Man|RS> can't ever find time to edit; i'm thinking of giving someone else the crat rights on CRWiki
 * [13:09:30] <Otter-Man|RS> so I can be free of it
 * [13:09:36] you're never free. xD
 * [13:09:40] <PanSola> Otter-Man|RS: how many users edit CR on a regular basis?
 * [13:09:48] <PanSola> or at least semi-regular?
 * [13:09:56] <Churchreborn> wut?
 * [13:10:07] <PanSola> CR -> Custom Robo
 * [13:10:22] <Churchreborn> :P
 * [13:10:36] <James-001|away> halopedia has 4000+ articles but most of the halo universe has already been explained, halopedia has turned into myspace with the occational vandal and just people voting on polls, wanting to make friends, and think that discussion page edits on personal pages should count...not much in the was of main edits going on, just small nit-picky stuff
 * [13:10:38] <Otter-Man|RS> no semi-regs evar
 * [13:11:10] * Joins: NastyAccident
 * [13:11:18] <PanSola> James-001|away: so does that mean not many opportunities to earn points? or does it mean people are focusing efforts on frivalous ways of gaining points?
 * [13:11:18] <Azul81677> The FFWiki was like that for a little bit, most edits went to the forums
 * [13:11:24] <Azul81677> as well as the KHWiki
 * [13:11:33] <James-001|away> the latter
 * [13:11:48] <Hexedmagica> even now, most of the edits at the FFWiki are still forum ones
 * [13:12:35] <PanSola> James-001|away: are there other things you would rather the users be directing their efforts to?
 * [13:12:47] * nq2h is now known as nq2h|brb
 * [13:12:49] <Otter-Man|RS> http://customrobo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page <-- There you have it, a wiki that I wanted to run, but I couldn't do it
 * [13:13:06] <Otter-Man|RS> You could say I don't know enough
 * [13:13:49] <James-001|away> there's nothing to do besides see who can get the most points, by making polls, voting, submitting pictures, making double polls, adding "friends" and giving "gifts" to each other
 * [13:14:19] <nq2h|brb> a wiki that's too complete is worse than no wiki at all. xD
 * [13:14:21] <James-001|away> the information level on halo is almost completly saturated
 * [13:14:21] <PanSola> um, so whlie you don't like them doing it, you don't think there's anything better to do either?
 * [13:15:08] <PanSola> Hexedmagica and Azul81677: do you think this would be a problem for FF wiki if the social stuff gets moved over?
 * [13:15:12] <James-001|away> it's just kinda annoying, like that whole "whore train" fad that myspace went through
 * [13:15:40] <Hexedmagica> it probally will
 * [13:15:51] * Quits: Isakill
 * [13:15:55] <Azul81677> yeah
 * [13:16:27] <PanSola> but how "complete" is teh FF wiki right now?
 * [13:16:45] <Hexedmagica> mostly, we mainly need enemy pages
 * [13:17:05] <Azul81677> Pretty much everything is fine
 * [13:17:18] <Azul81677> like what hexed said and FFXII:RW locations
 * [13:17:22] <Bluerfn> a lot can still be improved though
 * [13:17:29] * nq2h|brb is now known as nq2h
 * [13:17:30] <Azul81677> yeah
 * [13:17:38] <Bluerfn> lots of redlink fixes
 * [13:18:18] <Hunterj> I have a solution to the nothing to do due tt completness :) edit SWGames! Tre is plenty to do there and then after that there arestrategies to do :) a solution :P
 * [13:18:29] <PanSola> hah
 * [13:18:51] <Hunterj> see I'm happy bored people are happy! :P
 * [13:18:53] I have a better solution: play video games instead
 * [13:19:03] <PanSola> heh
 * [13:19:06] <Hunterj> split your time 50/50
 * [13:19:08] <Hunterj> :)
 * [13:19:10] <PanSola> any other ppl/wikis have things to bring up?
 * [13:19:27] <James-001|away> the only thing left for halopedia is after Halo Wars comes out, and if the Halo movie ever proceeds, although, with a 3 million dollar price tag, i heavily doubt it
 * [13:19:27] <Hunterj> ok 80/20 VG=80 SWGames = 20 :P
 * [13:20:11] <PanSola> ok next topic: the new Monaco skin
 * [13:20:20] <Bluerfn> never seen monaco
 * [13:20:26] <PanSola> the new skin is now open for preview on communitytest.wikia.com
 * [13:20:26] <Bluerfn> where can i find it?
 * [13:20:27] <James-001|away> ^^
 * [13:20:29] do we have a testing wiki with the skin?
 * [13:20:41] wow, i'm able to read minds. xD
 * [13:20:52] <PanSola> and if everything is on schedule, it will be available for users to choose from in their preferences starting Monday on each wiki
 * [13:21:07] * Quits: Hexedmagica
 * [13:21:21] hmm.. not too bad. lol
 * [13:21:24] <James-001|away> it's kinda plain eh?
 * [13:21:28] i could get used to it over monobook
 * [13:21:28] <PanSola> inside.wikia.com already has a customization guide for Monaco
 * [13:21:38] <PanSola> so you can start working on customizations
 * [13:21:38] * Skizzerz meanders off to add some crap styles to MediaWiki:Monaco.css on communitytest... (jk :P)
 * [13:21:45] (which needs updating i should mention)
 * [13:22:13] * Joins: MarioGalaxy
 * [13:22:18] <PanSola> I encourage you guys to spread the word, and get as many ppl to try it as possible
 * [13:22:22] <PanSola> and post feedbacks
 * [13:22:29] <PanSola> so any issues/bugs can be addressed quickly
 * [13:22:33] <PanSola> and improved
 * [13:22:35] a quick note about it tho
 * [13:22:37] <PanSola> hi MarioGalaxy
 * [13:22:42] * Parts: Otter-Man|RS
 * [13:23:24] once you set your skin on communitytest.wikia, it shoudl remember that when you around the rest of wikia, but the rest of wikia doesnt have all of the updated code/skin files yet, thats whats happening monday
 * [13:23:40] * Joins: Hexedmagica
 * [13:23:50] <MarioGalaxy> Hello. Due to the fact that there is now a second MarioGalaxy I will have to tell you that I am MarioGalaxy2433g5
 * [13:23:58] there might be small buggs/erros/typos, but most of those have been ironed out
 * [13:24:27] <PanSola> MarioGalaxy: is that your username on Wikia?
 * [13:24:35] * Quits: Hunterj
 * [13:24:37] * Joins: Hunterj|HERE
 * [13:24:40] <Simonrjh> PanSola: i agree with Jame-001 - too many idiots on halopedia now
 * [13:24:46] * Hunterj|HERE is now known as Hunterj
 * [13:24:58] <Charitwo> PanSola: it's like MarioGalaxy then some random numbers/letters
 * [13:25:08] q: is monobook being removed, or are we just getting a new skin?
 * [13:25:10] <MarioGalaxy> MarioGalaxy2433g5 is my user name on Wikia.
 * [13:25:18] <PanSola> nq2h: just getting new skin
 * [13:25:24] okay, good. =p
 * [13:25:33] <Charitwo> MarioGalaxy: curiously, why the 2433g5 :P
 * [13:25:35] <PanSola> support for Quartz will cease, but not sure when/if they'll get removed completley
 * [13:25:45] * Joins: Sky2042_afk
 * [13:25:53] <PanSola> hi Sky2042_afk
 * [13:25:53] quartz is being unsupported?
 * [13:25:58] <PanSola> correct
 * [13:26:06] quartz will be phased out fairly fast
 * [13:26:06] i thought this was to replace monobook, not quartz?
 * [13:26:15] <MarioGalaxy> Charitwo: I was expecting there to already be a MarioGalaxy
 * [13:26:16] <Charitwo> nq2h: considering monaco is the v3 of quartz (v2)
 * [13:26:23] <Sky2042_afk> ooo
 * [13:26:25] <Sky2042_afk> forgot about meeting
 * [13:26:25] <Hunterj> what does a lack of supprot for quartz mean?
 * [13:26:27] * Sky2042_afk chuckles.
 * [13:26:31] <Sky2042_afk> no, the new skin is based on the feedback from v2 quartz
 * [13:26:35] <Hunterj> when they stop it anyway
 * [13:26:39] <PanSola> lack of support means no new stuff will be developed for it
 * [13:26:39] <Hunterj> *if
 * [13:26:47] <Hunterj> oh, ok
 * [13:26:49] <PanSola> and bugs for it will be lower priority to fix, if at all
 * [13:26:51] * Sky2042_afk introduces himself as an admin at WoWWiki.
 * [13:26:56] <Hunterj> ok
 * [13:27:17] <Kirkburn> You can still use it, but we'll all glower at you ;)
 * [13:27:35] <PanSola> so yeah, check it out, and let your users know about it so they can check it out too
 * [13:27:44] * Joins: White_Hawk
 * [13:27:47] <PanSola> and get feedbacks coming
 * [13:27:49] <White_Hawk> hello
 * [13:27:52] <PanSola> hi WH
 * [13:27:58] <White_Hawk> almost missed it
 * [13:28:23] <Kirkburn> Welcome
 * [13:28:27] <PanSola> for anyone who missed the link
 * [13:28:32] <PanSola> communitytest.wikia.com
 * [13:28:36] <PanSola> to test out the new Monaco skin
 * [13:29:46] <PanSola> another cool thing being tested right now is the Semantic Media Wiki
 * [13:30:00] <PanSola> currently being tested at http://fp007.sjc.wikia-inc.com
 * [13:30:48] * Quits: Hunterj
 * [13:31:29] * Simonrjh is now known as Simonrjh|Hwk
 * [13:31:29] <PanSola> it's similar to a category system combined wiht DPL, but more flexable and powerful
 * [13:31:30] <White_Hawk> *yawn
 * [13:31:33] <Kirkburn> If you want to keep abreast of Wikia issues, don't forget you can subscribe to the Wikia-l mailing list btw
 * [13:31:38] <Azul81677> to me they all looke the same but they are just diff color
 * [13:31:57] <Kirkburn> Azul81677, which?
 * [13:32:05] <PanSola> Azul81677: with SMW, you can ask "give me all the characters who has between 1 and 5 legs"
 * [13:32:25] <PanSola> whereas with DPL, you would have to create 5 different categories
 * [13:32:34] * Parts: White_Hawk
 * [13:33:12] <PanSola> it also performs faster than DPL I think
 * [13:33:20] <Azul81677> whoa I had no Idea
 * [13:33:25] <Azul81677> I think I'll try them out
 * [13:33:33] <MarioGalaxy> Weird, I copy and pasted the seramantic media wiki link into a new tab, and it didn't recognize me as a logged in user.
 * [13:33:42] <PanSola> yeah you have to re-login
 * [13:33:46] <PanSola> it uses a different cookie
 * [13:33:49] <Azul81677> well bye everyone gotta go
 * [13:33:56] <Kirkburn> See ya
 * [13:33:56] <PanSola> http://fp007.sjc.wikia-inc.com/wiki/Princess_Althea
 * [13:33:57] * Quits: Azul81677
 * [13:33:59] <PanSola> here's one example
 * [13:34:14] <PanSola> where it keeps track of the number of arms and legs, and profession, of a character
 * [13:34:27] <James-001|away> ?
 * [13:34:47] <PanSola> and I restricted the possible values for "profession" to be either Warror or Monk, so the "mesmer" entry gets a warning
 * [13:35:53] <PanSola> I'm still trying to think of more interesting test cases to set up and demo
 * [13:36:25] <PanSola> the official website for the SMW extension is at http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki in case anyone want to take a deeper read
 * [13:36:42] <DuTempete> It sounds like it could be used for item properties, PanSola
 * [13:36:54] <PanSola> yup
 * [13:36:55] * Quits: Hexedmagica
 * [13:37:08] <Sky2042_afk> when did wikia decide SMW might be a good idea?
 * [13:37:12] <DuTempete> That would make for an interesting exaple
 * [13:37:23] <PanSola> Sky2042_afk: it's still being evaluated
 * [13:37:42] <PanSola> so AFAIK, right now it's a "potentially good idea"
 * [13:37:58] <PanSola> more testing is needed before Wikia decides it is actually a good idea
 * [13:38:03] <PanSola> so more of us should test it out
 * [13:38:10] <PanSola> try different things you can use it for
 * [13:38:24] * Quits: Bluerfn
 * [13:39:05] <Sky2042_afk> I can see it being heavily used by MMO wikis.
 * [13:39:12] <PanSola> yeah
 * [13:39:13] <Kirkburn> Sky2042_afk, suggested via the mailing list (and other places)
 * [13:39:15] <James-001|away> PanSola is this basically the end of the meeting, because i have no idea what you guys are talking about
 * [13:39:27] <PanSola> James-001|away: if you dn't have anything else to bring up
 * [13:39:28] <Sky2042_afk> for example, items, NPCs, zones, etc.
 * [13:39:34] <James-001|away> nope...
 * [13:39:42] * PanSola bows at James-001|away
 * [13:39:47] * James-001|away is just a grunt...not command material
 * [13:39:52] * James-001|away salutes
 * [13:39:54] <PanSola> you can set up adjacency relationships
 * [13:39:56] <James-001|away> adios
 * [13:40:01] <PanSola> for zones/areas
 * [13:40:09] * Parts: James-001|away
 * [13:40:11] <Kirkburn> The great thing is, if we get it, we can blame everything on semantics :P
 * [13:40:21] <PanSola> without creating unnecessary categories (if you wanted to do it via DPL)
 * [13:40:30] * Quits: RR|Cell_Biology
 * [13:40:30] <Sky2042_afk> Kirkburn: LOL
 * [13:40:31] <PanSola> lol
 * [13:41:09] <Sky2042_afk> as for other wikis, I'm sure it could be used, but I'm not sure how much use it would have when compared to categorization.
 * [13:41:27] <Sky2042_afk> but definitely a good idea for MMOs
 * [13:42:07] <PanSola> enemies' resistence to various elements
 * [13:42:17] <PanSola> that might be better done as a property than a category