User blog comment:Dopp/Communicate Easily with Message Wall/@comment-737801-20110927202532

Staff members, please read this first. While I may repeat a lot of what I say form that post, I feel that some more things need to be said.

Again anything I state here is my opinions, my observations, so take them how you will. This is not a rant, this is not spam, this is a serious matter because I not only want to see Wikia grow, but to have the Staff and the Community on the same page when it comes time to improve Wikia.

This is yet another wall of text, ok another article, still four hours and still ten pages on MS Word. And no, I have a life, but this is an issue that I feel is so important that I have to put as much time and effort into it as I can. I want to see Wikia expand, and grow as a Wiki hosting site, but not as a social networking site.

Opening Statement
Staff members, we all know you are intelligent people, there really isn’t a chance of people denying that, however your actions are what gives the Community the angst that they have. You have recently made a of unpopular decisions recently, forced a lot of unwanted changes down our throats, and people are fed up with it. We know there are times when we can’t take a network vote on things, but when you ask for feedback on something that you plan to implement, no matter how many people don’t like it, don’t want it, or have issues with it, is slapping us in the face. You need to start listening to us, and so far you haven’t been doing a good job of it.

Wikia’s Direction
I touched on this already, but I feel that I didn’t do it justice. Everyone is saying that Wikia is becoming more and more like Facebook, and if the staff can’t see this, then the only thing I can think of is that you are ignoring what you eyes are telling you. Wikia isn’t a social network. People come here for articles, content, building a site for the topic that they are about, not to socialize like on a social network. There are already websites for that, so we don’t need another one. Wikia used to be about content and being the best wiki hosting site on the internet, and it is becoming obvious that Wikia and the Staff no longer believe this.

We need people to contribute, and making user talk pages specially will distract from that purpose. A lot of the new features you have added recently are designed for social networking sites and all that does is distract admins from the content of the site because they are forced to monitor things like chat, and ban people from it. Any feature that distracts from the content will eventually cause articles to erode in quality as more and more people focus on socializing rather than building content. Content is the heart, mind, body, and soul of a wiki, and you are contantly trying to force it to be something else. Eventually articles on wikis you support will be filled with vandalism, spam, improper grammar, bad spelling, and will look more like message boards, blogs, and forums than actual content articles.

Wikia you need to remember that you are a WIKI hosting site, NOT a social networking site. Every new feature lately has been reinforcing the social site, while doing little to reinforce the content side. More on this point later.

Reading Feedback
Staff members, I will humbly ask that one, two, or three people just read through this blog and see how many people object/don’t want this features, and how many actually support this. If the amount of support is less than 60%, then odds are that the community doesn’t support it. One person one vote, and given what I’m seeing, the votes are saying no.

If you have let’s say 500 actual comments, and only 15 support this idea, while 485 oppose, then who should you as reasonable, sensible, and logical people side wit?. Given the past, you have sided with the 15 and slapped the other 485 in the face. You have implemented features that just about everyone opposed, hated, and said that they don’t like it. I know that it’s impossible to make everyone happy, but when you have 97% of people saying they won’t want something, and you force it on them, you do insult them. You tell them, even if you ask for feedback, that their opinions don’t matter, you don’t care that they don’t want it, and that you just don’t care about them in general. If 97 out of 100 people say no, then what should happen, is that nothing is done. You keep forcing things down our throats over our objections, and we keep pointing out that Wikia is looking more and more like Facebook, and the only response we keep hearing is that Wikia isn’t becoming Facebook. If the staff truly believes this, then the only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that the staff has diluted themselves into believing that. Harsh, but then the truth generally is

Wikia every day is looking more and more like Facebook and other social media sites, and despite no matter how many times you deny it, the sign posts are large, neon signs that are impossible to ignore. The Community sees where WIkia is going, but it is evident that the staff either doesn’t see it, or the staff is ignoring the signs.

We don’t want another social media site, we want the old Wikia, where content was King, back. We want to build projects again, not have to worry about blocking people from chat, correcting BASIC spelling and grammar, and having to deal with more social media networking things when we already have to deal with that on other sites that are built for that purpose. Please start reading feedback and please see the sign posts that are all over the place.

Also, please again just read through the comments and see how many support and how many oppose, because you might be shocked at the number that do oppose. Please just take the time, and read through the comments and make a tally of opponents verses supporters because you will find that number is really leaning towards the opponents camp.

Community Response
The Community has been good about responding, but at the same time there are issues with responses. People it’s simple really, when giving feedback, don’t swear at the staff, don’t insult them, and don’t threaten them. You won’t get anywhere by doing any of that. Give honest, calm, and specific feedback and the staff will hopefully read your feedback rather than just ignoring it. I have to say that if I kept seeing comments with profanity, threats, and insults, then I will probably not read it either. Give constructive criticism, don’t go off the deep end because that gets you, and everyone else nowhere. Don’t give the staff a reason to ignore you, give them a reason to read your comment. Even if it is just “I don’t like this because I don’t want Wikia to look like Facebook”, rather than something like “WTF? Why are you doing this to us you [redacted]. We don’t want this so don’t [redacted] force this on us”. If you write something like the first comment, then the staff will hopefully be more inclined to read it, rather than just gloss over it.

Talk Page Limitations Are In Your Heads
There is really no other way to say it, but all of the “limitations” of user talk pages that you keep seeing, are really nothing more than in your head. If you implement this feature, then you will rob users of a way to personalize their user space with some ridiculous system that forces them to do what you want, when you want it, and how you think should be done. Staff members, you need to realize that you keep putting more and more restrictions on what people can do, yet you keep telling people to personalize their user space. Does anyone but me see the problem/irony in the statement above?

I’ve seen users do some really nice things with talk pages, including some interesting formatting, but you will rob users of that with this new system. User talk pages are an extension of the User namespace, and by forcing us to do things your way, you rob us of the individuality that we want. Talk pages as they exist now serve more functions than your “new and improved” system ever could hope to accomplish. They are a forum, blog, personal talk space, place for ranting, place for personal discussions, place for wiki related discussion, place for some completely random discussions, and I could go on for some time. This new system you propose would take away many of those features and reinforce only the social ones. I have more on that later in the “Socializing” section.

Godsime said somewhere in this massive blog that he is scared that Wikia will eventually not be running on the MediaWiki software, but the MediaWikia software, and honestly it outright terrifies me. You are prosing eliminating one of the best, most useful, and most adaptable features the MediaWiki software has, and a feature that is present on every other independent wiki, and replace it with a social networking tool. How this makes sense to anyone is beyond my comprehension. Independent wikis, Wikipedia, and other sites that run MediaWiki software have user talk pages for a reason, they serve many more functions that you either don’t realize, don’t care about, or just can’t see. If people come here from other wikis and from other sites that run this software, they are going to wonder where their talk pages went, and your only answer is “we got rid of them because we wanted to become the next Facebook clone”. This is again something that doesn’t make one iota of sense.

You keep trying to force feed social features down our throats and people are getting fed up with it. Social elements are fine, but you have to remember that a wiki is about content, not socializing, that’s a secondary objective. Making friends is nice and all, but if you have a load of articles that look like vandalism, someone wrote a blog post or text message, or spam, then seriously, how many people will read those articles? How many people will edit those articles? And how many people will just not care about the content of a wiki because they are too busy playing WikiaFarmville? This is just the first step staffers, and you either don’t, or refuse to see it. Getting new people is great, but you can’t eliminate the learning curve of editing a wiki, more on that later, and if you dumb down just about everything, then the only thing people will care about is socializing, rather than creating, building, maintaining, or expanding a wiki. If you make more and more social changes, then you might as well stop using the MediaWiki software, and stop calling them wikis, and start calling them groups. That is the path you are laying out, so please read the large flashing neon signs, listen to your experienced users, and think about this. It isn’t too late to consider alternatives, scrap the entire idea altogether, or better yet, just listen to what people are telling you. We don’t want Facebook here, we want wikis, and you slowly but surely, are taking that away.

Putting this “new and improved” feature on user talk pages will make them look like Facebook, and there is just no getting around that point. What to people on Facebook go there to do? Discuss how to improve an article? Nope. Talk about an idea they have for improving an article? Definitely not. Talk about how a user is harassing them and they are asking someone to intervene? Are you serious? Simple answer, none of the above. People go to Facebook to socialize and when they see osmeone’s wall, anyone who takes Facebook seriously feels the need to comment on something, even if there isn’t a reason to.

Your statement of people leaving messages on multiple pages is really so see through, that you are just looking for an excuse. People do both methods, some even do both, yet you have absolutely no right to tell us how to respond to comments. Some people do it the way they do because they like it that way, or because that is how they have done it in the past. Even if you implement this system, people will still do that. You claim to want to make things easier, yet people will still do what they want. Stop telling us that it’s your way or the highway because like your continued statements of “you’ll get used to it” it’s nothing but a broken record at this point. We don’t want to get used to it, if anything we want it to be optional. So instead of brushing us off, read the comments, take a tally, and see how many people actually support this.

Also see this: Forum:Message Wall - A Simple List Of Names

IMPORTANT POINT AHEAD
Seeing a message board, a.k.a. a wall for a user on a wiki, they might think that it is just like Facebook and comment on random things that they have no idea what is going on or that they have no reason really to comment. This can get problematic as not only will they have to maneuver around someone who shouldn’t have commented in the first place, but they also have to tell them the purpose of the page. Can you see where there might be problems?

More people go to wikis for their articles than for the socializing element, which they may not even know exist. Experienced Wikians use the social elements in numerous ways, but robbing them of one of those ways, is slapping them in the face, kicking them where it hurts, or just saying “we don’t care about you”. I’ve seen blogs come up about nothing, but do I want those kind of conversations on my talk page? Generally no. This is a very real possibility and the fact you aresn’t seeing it, or refusing to see it, is a problem. User talk pages serve a variety of roles, but when you put a format in that only encourages a handful of those roles, you cause more problems than you solve.

Talk pages serve a purpose, and converting them to a message board does no one, especially experienced Wikians any favors as doing this will distract from the heart, body, mind, and soul of the wiki, it’s content.

Leave our talk pages alone because you did with article talk pages, and I think that is something you did right, well half right. More on this topic in the “Article Comments” section.

Dumbing things down
There really no other way to say this, but you all are dumbing down Wikia, and the wikis you support. You want more people, yet when you dumb things down, eventually it spread to other forms of content, and it starts with articles. Using a wiki has a learning curve, and this is something that you can NEVER erase. It took me a few weeks to really learn how to edit, and Wikia help wasn’t exactly that helpful. I’m still trying to get Oasis and I still hate it. You can’t keep dumbing down Wikia just to get new users. What this does is erode your foundation, and if you don’t have a strong foundation, then your building will crumble. Having that learning curve allows people to get used to editing a wiki, and prevents mistakes. You can’t eliminate that learning curve, and you are continually angering your experienced users.

You are trying to attract new people while you ignore people that have been here for years. This feature is something that doesn’t appeal to experienced users, rather people who just want to be on a wiki to socialize. If that’s what you want, then you are really far gone from what we all thought Wikia was about and you will only destroy yourselves in a end. You are trying to make Wikia into Facebook and appeal to people that will write an article like they do texting, bloging, or talking on a forum. No formal language, no proper spelling, no proper grammar. Really, and I know this has been said, is that who you really want on Wikia? People who spam, don’t even bother to check their work, make this harder for the more experienced users, and eventually wikis will be nothing more than message boards. Is that what you want? Because that is the direction you are going in.

Wikia can’t even try to compete with Facebook, and the vast amount of people on Wikia are experienced users who come from other sites, or just want to help a project. If you start with this, how long before you start making comments mandatory? More on that later. Wikia is about wikis, not socializing, and please go back to that. Editing has a learning curve, and making a wiki a better place isn’t all about socializing, it’s about building the content of a wiki. Don’t start dumbing down wikis that will only serve a short term goal. I said it before, and I’ll say it again, many wikis on Wikia are the best places on the net for information about their respective topics. Yet putting a message board, instead of a talk page, distracts from the purpose of a wiki because now people don’t know what the true purpose of the page is, where to discuss things and new people coming from Facebook will see a message board, and think “oh this is just like Facebook” when that isn’t the case.

Stop dumbing down Wikia staff, and go back to your roots. And stop undermining the MediaWiki software. It works so stop subverting it and replacing it with Social Features. Wikis are about content, not socializing, please realize that.

Article Comments
This is something that I think the staff hit and missed with this topic. I see article comments on a few wikis, and I have to say, that they are just annoying to look at, cause my browser to slow to a crawl trying to load the page, and they are just unintelligible messes. They are also subject to spam, multiple posts, multiple people complaining about something, and a whole host of factors. Yet when Wikia come out with this, there was such a backlash against them, that you had to also support talk pages as well. I know from experience that if the ME wiki has converted to comments, then we’d be having so many problems. Article talk pages are a great way to work things out about an article, ask a question about it, or bring up something that may have been missed.

You support both features and I feel that this has been one of your best decisions to date in recent months. There is no way we’d accept article comments on the ME wiki because that is not why the Community at the ME wiki is there. We are there to make the best place for Mass Effect on the net, and we’ve gotten several members of the BioWare staff acknowledging that fact. Mac Walters, the lead writer of Mass Effect 2, the Mass Effect Comics, and Mass Effect 3 said we are the best place for Mass Effect, and he thanks the fans for making it that way. He even goes on to say that he referenced the wiki several times while he was writing. Now that’s high praise in my book. I’m sure that other wikis have gotten similar comments and while I went much more into detail in my last article, I think that you get the picture.

You have shown that Wikia is capable of supporting two things that are different, so why can’t you do the same here? If you call the complicated nature of this onto the playing field, then I say this. If it’s more complicated, then why use it when a system that already works, offers much more personalization, and is present everywhere else on sites that use the MediaWiki software? I cannot think of a logical answer to this apart from “we are doing what we want and we don’t care about our user base”. Actually scratch that, that isn’t a logical answer.

Features
Many of the new features that have come out starting with Oasis have been more social side of wikis, rather than the content side. We had Oasis, which make Wikia look like Facebook, now that I really look at it, and since then, we keep having more and more social elements forced down our throats. One of these features is chat. However, it still doesn’t work right. It’s buggy, full of people who just want to flame, and causes a burden on admins who have to watch it. Is this really a good idea. I distinctly remember someone on the staff telling us when Oasis came out that the staff would be working on modules for that right sidebar that would assist in article maintenance and wiki maintenance. Where are those modules, in fact were are any at all? This right sidebar is the most annoying thing about Oasis and you still haven’t done anything with it in about a year. Start working on those problems, not something that you need to reinvent the wheel on.

This brings up another feature that I hate, the scavenger hunt. I tried it once, and instead of doing what I thought it would do, make people look on the wiki for information and content, all it did was make people look for that item, and not even read the article. This is a plain as day example of features that are distracting from article content, and is a social networking device that does absolutely nothing to improve article content. Actually, it does the opposite. Stop forcing these things on us.

The only features that I can come up with that assist in maintaining content is the new editor, and the Admin Dashboard, and there’s the problems start.

Admin Dashboard: The community was never consulted about this, as far as I could tell until Wikia came out and said “here’s something new. If you don’t like it, we don’t care despite the fact we ask for feedback.” I liked when the Recent Changes wasn’t integrated into this feature. On the ME Wiki we have a nice dark blue background, yet the Admin Dashboard is white? Who thought of that? I want either the Dashboard to be optional, and I know a lot of people do, or at the very least, make it the same background color of the Wiki. I hate going from a dark blue background to white. Please fix this, because you said you would. Also why should admins be forced to use this in the first place? Why can’t it be optional? Oh wait nothing is optional anymore. Whatever the Staff thinks is a great idea, it’s done no matter How much negative feedback we get. That may not be what you intended, but that’s how it looks.

New Editor: Well what can be said about this. It causes longer load times, it breaks code, it is hard to use, it doesn’t flow, it doesn’t do things right, it’s annoying to use, and I could go on, but I’m honestly just restating stuff at this point. This new editor is so much worse than the old RTE or even the old edit screen. Bring either the old edit screen back or fix the bugs Staff members! This editor has a lot of issues with it and I’m not convinced you took Community Feedback until you had fully developed it. I hate using this thing, but I don’t have a choice now. We disabled the RTE on the Mass Effect Wiki because none of us there liked it, and more than a fair share of wikis did the same thing. Why? Because it caused problems and this new editor fixes some of those, but make about twice as many problems. You claim to want to improve the quality of the content, well if people can’t edit a page, when how is the content getting improved? Better yet, if no one can understand the editor, then what then? This editor needs one of four things, to be optional, the bugs in it fixed, redesigned from the ground up with the Staff not cutting users out of the loop until the end, or scrapped altogether. Bring back the old editor, it was functional, it worked, and it was effective. There’s a reason that Wikipedia still uses this editor and why it should still be an option.

Broken Promises
Going along with some of the things in the previous section, and some comments I made last time, Staff members have either forgotten, gotten sidetracked, or ignored several things that were said. We said we’d get modules for the right sidebar, yet that hasn’t materialized. We said we’d get a reconsidering of the width of the Oasis skin. To date, you only gave one wiki, the wiki you all were so afraid to lose, expanded article space. People are still calling for it, so do something about it. Look at article space and tell us that couldn’t be expanded to match WoWWiki. Fixed width is still something I don’t support, but if I have to live with it, then make it wider. We also were told that we’d get a reconsidering of the amount of menu links, yet while I’ve heard rumors about this, it hasn’t materialized. We want more links, we asked that back when Oasis came out, yet nothing has been done.

The staff did say on a few occasions that they would improve the width and menu links during the chaos over Oasis’ release, yet I’ve seen just about nothing done on this front, so I’m really thinking that the staff lied to us to get us all to shut up. Harsh, but the evidence is talking here, not me. I really wish we’d see something on this front, and when I see that lined up with this proposed update, I see the writing on the wall. Wikia is becoming a social network, and they are doing it as quickly as they can. Please Wikia Staff, reconsider this path and go back to hosting wikis, and if you want to make social networking elements, then make sure they don’t interfere with article content, make it harder for users to communicate, distract from article content, and make it harder to maintain the wiki.

Development Cycle
Given what is going on here, I have to say that the staff can’t, won’t, or even considered taking the Community’s opinions until they have developed something to completion. This isn’t a smart decisions as a business, as Staff members, or as an internet site. You can’t cut your consumers, users, out of the loop until you have a finished product. Staff members, please start taking user opinions from the start, not at the end when you present it. You say you want feedback, yet you then turn right around and say that this will be mandatory no matter what you say. That doesn’t make one bit of sense. If you start taking feedback from the beginning, and acting on it, then you will probably find that people are more receptive to your ideas. However, your reputation for taking, accepting, and acting on feedback, especially negative feedback, isn’t very good.

When you present a completed idea, ask for feedback, then say that it will be mandatory anyway, you are slapping your Community in the face. You tell them in all essence, “[W]e are going to do what we want, when we want, and how we want to. We don’t care about you, we don’t value your opinions, we don’t care what you want, it’s our way or the highway.” Again harsh, but this is quite true. If you want feedback, then get it at an earlier state, not at the end. Wikia has been doing this more and more and more, and yet you don’t seem to learn from your mistakes, or are refusing to.

Please reconsider your development process because you are doing it backwards, and all wrong. I plan to talk to my profess, as I’m taking a class in this specific topic about this on Friday, and see what they say. However, I’m pretty sure that I already do know what she will say given what we went over in class.

Personalization
Wikia you are again turning yourself into a social network, but you are doing something wrong, you are robbing us of personalization of our user space. You keep claiming that you want us to personalize our user spaces, but yet you rob us of one element of that. Again, I’ve seen people do amazing things with their talk pages, and you want to rob them of that. Stop being hypocrites because that is what you are doing, telling us to personalize, but at the same time, rob us of a feature that allows us to do just that. Again, anyone else see it?

Stop robbing us of personalization options while at the same time giving us social networking features. That’s hypocritical, and really two-faced. However, we don’t want social networking features, we want wikis, content, and quality, not a social network.

Socializing
I know that the staff and Airhogs777 hasn’t seen eye to eye, but he brings up a great point. To quote him “Somehow, I feel like a "Wall" system encourages people to pop in and say hi. I don't need people popping in to say hi to me, I need constructive criticism and notification from editors who bother to look at the RC, or even WA, and find problems I've made.” This is a something that I don’t think the staff even considered, and probably won’t. User talk pages as they function serve not only that purpose, I’ve seen plenty of conversations on user talk page about non-wiki related elements, but they also serve a business purpose. And this is again you are something that you aren’t seeing, refuse to see, or just can’t see.

Alternative
Make this feature optional, and a more social aspect, but don’t replace one of the best features of MediaWiki with a useless, complicated, and annoying feature. This is Facebook, and was ripped directly form that site, and if anyone says that it wasn’t, then there’s no way to say this, it’s an outright, bold-faced lie. Talk pages serve a purpose, but I can see a purpose for this as well, just not as a replacement for one of the best features of MediaWiki. User talk pages serve multiple purposes, and you will now limit that to a handful of uses, and encourage a small number of that handful.

Please, either make this optional, or scrap it because it is obvious that no one wants this except you. If you continue to ignore us, then it’s only a matter of time until you do something that you are going to regret. And you are already walking that path and you will anger people with this “new and better feature”.

Wikia is Unique, Celebrate it
Wikia, there’s no other way to say this, you are trying to be a Facebook clone, and that isn’t what we want. You are a site that is unique (size wise) in what you do, what you offer, and what goes on here. You have a massive community, but you keep forcing things down their throats, so please stop it. You keep porting features from other social networking sites, and it’s becoming a burden. We don’t want social network featuers, we want content, we want quality, we want individuality, and slowly but surely, you are taking that away from us.

You should be celebrating your uniqueness, not taking a chainsaw to it. Put this to a vote and aks people if they really want this feature. I know you’ve never done this in the past, but this is a case where you should. I’m not saying that you have to do it every time, that would just be a burden, but having users vote on something that directly affects their personal user space, along with how they present themselves on Wikia, should be a no-brainer.

Wikia isn’t a social network, it’s a wiki hosting site and what’s the purpose of a wiki? To collect, organize, and present information, not to be a social networking outlet. No one here wants a social network, they want a wiki and EVERYTHING that goes with that, and you are robbing us of that. Please reconsider.

Optional Features
I don’t have much to say here, but Wikia, you need to start thinking that features that you come out with, people don’t want, don’t need, or have no use for. You need to consider making features optional, and you can start with this. You have article comments optional, so why not this? Or the editor? Or any number of features that people have gone out hating?

Optional features will do more than you can think, and if you make features optional, rather than forcing them on us, I can guarantee you that you will get less hate mail, less profanity laced comments, and you will gain the trust of the Community back. Because, with everything you are forcing down our throats, the opinions of everyone is about the same, we don’t want Facebook, we don’t want social networking, and we want to have features that make creating, building, maintaining, and expanding a wiki easier. Direct your effort in that direction and I can guarantee you that you will see more editors, more users, more contributors, more readers, and what does that mean for you, more money. Everyone seems to know what a wiki is for, collecting, organizing, and presenting information, except the Staff, which seems to think that a wiki is a social network. Please look where you are going, what you are proposing, and where you want to go, because the Community doesn’t want you to do this way, which will end up as Wikia being a tenth rate Facebook knockoff. I’m sure that more than a few staff members feel the same way as well.

Closing Remarks
I know I wrote another article, but I’m not only protesting this change, but I’m think of Wikia’s future. If you keep going along this route, then you will end up a tenth rate Facebook knockoff. If you go back to being a Wiki hosting site, with some social elements, and focus on the content again, then you can do something that none of those sites can do, give people the information they want. Wikis are information sources, not social sites. Social elements are nice, but if the interfere with the content, management, maintenance, and upkeep of a wiki, then they shouldn’t be there. This concept is something I don’t think the staff can grasp, and I hope they can. Forcing this on us, despite overwhelming negative comments, tells us that you only care about the social side of Wikia, and don’t give one thought to the content, which is again the heart, body, mind, and soul of a wiki. Socializing is great, but if people have to monitor so many social elements that they can’t update the content of a wiki, then everything suffers. People come to Wikia to get information, build a wiki, collector and organize information, find the best way to present that information, and partake in something. Socializing comes second, and I’m sure that I can get people to back me up on that, and this concept is something you don’t seem to grasp. The vast majority of your readers are here for articles, not for reading a blog.

Wikia go back to the Wikia we all want, a site that reigns as supreme sovereign over the information realm of the internet. There are many wikis associated with Wikia that are considered the best source for information on their topic, and if you keep pushing your social agenda, then you will end up destroying your reputation, the reputation of those wiki, your credibility as a WIKI hosting site, and the credibility of those wikis for being the best source for information on their respective topics.

Finally, I restate my message from earlier

'' Information is your weapon, your editors, your soldiers, admins and b’crats your junior officers, quality, your standard, and you the staff, the generals. You know the mission of your wikis, be the best and only place for information on that topic, and accept nothing less than that. So please don’t forget it.''

Sincerely, Lancer1289 Administrator Mass Effect Wiki