Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-13301-20170502181922/@comment-13301-20170508211142

SlyCooperFan1 wrote: We also know, according to WikiDex talk pages, that many WikiDex users have wanted to have a better mobile experience.

Then multiple volunteers at Fandom come in, saying, "Here's this thing called Portable Infoboxes that will help your infoboxes look much better on mobile and conform to mobile standards. Please let us know -- what modifications do we need to make to help them match your wiki? What work needs to be done? We're willing to help you every step of the way."

Then Ciencia tells them to f*** off.

Fandom tries again to extend their help in implementing this feature. Ciencia never relents in telling them in no uncertain terms to f*** off.

I don't see where Ciencia is right here.

I'm glad to see a council member to step here and comment. Looks like you know quite a lot about this incident in WikiDex. However, your information is not accurate. May I ask you how did you get to that conclusions? I'm pretty sure that, as a council, you've assisted to some meetings with staff, and they've informed you about the issue, telling their point of view about the incident, which is probably what you've posted here.

Just to make some things clear here:


 * I'm not against PI in general, I know they're good for creating infoboxes from scratch, which help new communities.
 * I've also stated in other talk pages that I want a better mobile experience.
 * However, our community already has infoboxes in place, so making infoboxes easier is a moot point here.
 * PI has limitations, and are subject to eventual bugs and errors caused by Wikia changing their code, since it's not standard and nobody knows how may evolve.
 * PI changed the look of our templates, in some situations (the simple ones) they looked better, in some others there was a clear downgrade in design and functionality.
 * The mobile skin is a crap. If you need to reinvent the way infoboxes are coded, there's a clear design problem here.
 * When the problem is not only infoboxes, but all templates, complex formatted code and tables, then the problem is not wiki code, but the mobile skin itself.
 * Because of this, I suggested a way to do practically the same PI does, but as a more standard way: CSS classes. You can put them on every part of the wiki and fix pages as a whole, not just infoboxes.
 * However, Staff discarded this idea with no other reasoning than "PI should be implemented here. Period."

This can be read from the original forum post on our community. But of course Staff should have told you a different story.

To make this story more complete, and I admit that I was elegantly telling staff to f*** off, they previously told me to f*** off in several ways, like when they enabled discussions on our wiki without even notifying us (the admins of the wiki) about this. And of course, when we told them to disable discussions. So this was clearly a way to tell Staff that if they don't cooperate with us, we won't cooperate with them.

SlyCooperFan1 wrote: After actually reading through WikiDex and reading through Ciencia's posts, this is what I see: an admin stuck in his old ways who can't evolve to change, even the most minuscule of change, and forcing his community to preach the same thing he's preaching, and gathering what support he can from the haters that fill Community Central. Next time try to actually read those discussions. Many users come to my talk page proposing changes, and I usually tell them to open a new forum post so other users can participate. I'm not the kind of person that want to force people into doing what I want to do. People can actually contradict me and I've been contradicted in forums on my community and I haven't demoted or blocked anyone for this, nor dismissed their propossals. I've expressed a strong opposition to implementing PI on WikiDex, but I haven't forced or even suggested others to support me in this decision. Everyone has been free to join the discussion.

This has nothing about old ways of doing things or not wanting to evolve. Remember also that you are editing on Wikia, that uses MediaWiki 1.19 as its base software, released on 2012-05-02 and becoming obsolete in May 2015, stuck with old api modules and without many improvements for admins and users introduced in later releases.