Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33668185-20181229231243/@comment-24055022-20181231011415

This is exactly why we don't take any of you guys seriously. The responses we are getting just from this thread alone we feel, at least to me personally, just shows ignorance and self-righteousness, and as others have said, extreme unjustified bias. Even, for no reason whatsoever, bringing a political topic/matter up, when it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, as this is not a political matter at all, is very unnecessary, uncalled for, and demeaning. We are doing our very best to remain civil, although some comments may not be the most intelligent, we would certainly appreciate the same in return, and not just being “negative” about it. Not saying that all of you aren’t, and I do appreciate the ones who are. Especially the ones who acknowledge that some changes are needed while others are self-righteous and don’t believe that any change is required.

I don’t really believe that this is some kind of cabal. But something is definitely wrong here, and this thread proves it, but it’s only scratching the surface.

We believe you when you say you document every feedback, but that’s all you ever seem to do, and don’t seem to care to take the time to address every concern we have listed. Yes, the rules were updated around the beginning of 2018, and it did seem to do well at first. But it has now deteriorated back to the way it was before.

There is nothing that peeves me more when someone says, “I don’t get paid enough to care.” Why do you have to be paid to care about anything or anyone but yourself? You don’t want to talk about these “volunteers”, then perhaps we should talk about the actual paid employees who are in charge of the operation at hand and whom we believe are doing a very poor job at it. Whatever your requirements are for a moderator, if any at all, needs to be changed. Stop being unreasonably biased; stop holding grudges for years on end when there has been evidence that such past behavior has changed, because people can change and improve, believe it or not; and really focus on what a potential user provides to the wiki. There should also be an expectation from moderators about how often they are expected to actually be active in moderatoring, say once a week or so for a small amount of time if possible, otherwise, there's not really any point in having moderators. An inactive moderator is a dead moderator (not literally, of course). Not everyone is going to like a moderator, that’s just impossible, but really listen to what frequent contributing visitors have to say and don’t ignore them.

I have absolutely nothing against using an alternative platform, such as Discord, as another way of contacting each other. It’s a lot easier to have private conversations, as not everything need/should be public. It can be very convenient. I certainly wish my fellow co-moderators on the one wiki I enjoy moderatoring would frequent Discord (it severely annoys me as much as I love them all, lol). But it is very possible to be on both Discord and chat at the same time. I also feel you’re a lot less likely to feed any trolls and even have them create a troll account that was a sentence you had said not one minute before. I also enjoy being able to laugh alongside others at trolls idiocy. It’s a good way to reduce stress. But if that troll is hiding on Discord, that could be very difficult to deal with. I also don’t believe we are entitled to know what the moderators discuss among each other, unless the moderators themselves wish to share that.

I don’t believe block/ban should state the name of who the username is a sock of. I do believe reasons should be a bit of a brief explanation as to why they were banned, but sometimes a Message Wall is needed to provide a bit more details. I think it’s fine to tell other users who ask why another user was banned to tell them to read the ban/block log, but not to the actual user that was banned/blocked. They deserve at least more than that. However, that is only if they ask respectfully. If they want to yell in all caps and just hurl insults, then it’s pretty self-explanatory that they deserved the ban/block and it should not be reversed. If anything, extended with that type of behavior.

There will not be any positive comments (other than the one that Korra stated, to which I agree with) unless and until there is positive feedback and actions. We have not seen that from any of the feedback we have sent to Special:Contact, as you tell us to do every single time, which is why we believe it is a waste of time because nothing ever comes as a result of it. You cannot actually expect to completely diminish a whole discussion such as this with us saying something positive when nothing positive has been given to us and nothing has been changed. That is not at all how you solve a problem, that’s not how life works, and nor should it.