Forum:December 16th IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PST (California etc).


 * [13:02:10]  ok let's start
 * [13:02:16]  yay
 * [13:02:31]  everyone introduce yourself, what wiki you are from, and if you happen to hold any positons
 * [13:02:43] * PanSola is from GuildWiki, and happens to be a sysop overthere
 * [13:03:06] * Phil_E is from Halopedia and Wii Wiki, and is a 'crat at the latter
 * [13:03:14] * kd3 is from WoWWiki and a sysop
 * [13:03:26] * Joins: ForestofTreasure
 * [13:03:43] * Dashiva is admincrat at Tabula Rasa
 * [13:03:54]  Kirkburn is from WoWWiki, and is crat there
 * [13:03:54]  hi ForestofTreasure, we are doing introductions
 * [13:03:58] * Teomyr is an admin from WoWWiki, currently inactive, but likes to stay up-do-date with everything
 * [13:04:12]  Hey PanSola :D
 * [13:06:12]  ForestofTreasure: introduce yourself please (-:
 * [13:06:34] * ForestofTreasure is ForestofTreasure :p I heard about this channel from #wikia
 * [13:06:49]  ForestofTreasure: do you visit/edit any gaming wikis?
 * [13:06:58] * PanSola pokes Churchreborn
 * [13:07:07]  PanSola: No, I've only been at wikia for two months, but I plan to start editing some gaming wikis soon :)
 * [13:07:21]  cool. which games are you interested in?
 * [13:07:23] * Kirkburn pokes uberfuzzy
 * [13:07:24] * ForestofTreasure is reading gaming.wikia.com right now :)
 * [13:07:32] * uberfuzzy dents
 * [13:07:34] what?
 * [13:07:40]  ub intro
 * [13:08:10]  I thought you might want to shout at me about the MediaWiki changes, uberfuzzy :P
 * [13:08:16] hi, i'm uber f., and i've been addicted to wiki's for 10 months now
 * [13:08:21] oh, wait, wrong intro
 * [13:08:46]  [citation needed]
 * [13:09:03]  heh
 * [13:09:13]  PanSola: Board games :p
 * [13:09:42]  ForestofTreasure: ooh nice. We kind of lack ppl in those areas, so you can be of great help!
 * [13:09:44] <ForestofTreasure> brb
 * [13:09:47] <ForestofTreasure> Yeah, ok :)
 * [13:09:52] <ForestofTreasure> brb in 10 minuts
 * [13:09:56] * Quits: ForestofTreasure
 * [13:10:12] <Phil_E> there goes the help :P
 * [13:10:28] <PanSola> heh
 * [13:10:39] <PanSola> ok anyways, stuff for this week
 * [13:11:10] <PanSola> eGamia, a general "encyclopedia" site for gaming, has joined Wikia and merged with our GameInfo lately
 * [13:11:25] * Phil_E noticed that
 * [13:11:39] <PanSola> I encourage you all to check it out, and make sure their articles on various games link to the more specific wikis
 * [13:12:33] <PanSola> and as they do have an established user base, it might be a good idea to think about how to make our wikis (or rather, their articles corresponding to wikis that we have) more noticable
 * [13:12:43] <Kirkburn> I don't know whether it's been set up yet, but they should/will have a template to link to other wikia
 * [13:13:08] <PanSola> cool
 * [13:13:18] <PanSola> so passively: make sure those articles are linking to teh wikis
 * [13:13:20] * Joins: dank55
 * [13:13:25] <PanSola> aggressively: make those articles stand out more
 * [13:13:27] <PanSola> hi dank55
 * [13:13:34] hi pan
 * [13:13:54] <PanSola> which gaming wiki(s) are you affiliated with?
 * [13:14:13] none, i admit, i'll be happy to leave...i'm admin for Robots,
 * [13:14:21] and wanted to see something about group process here,
 * [13:14:24] i heard there was a meeting :)
 * [13:14:26] <PanSola> don't leave o_O
 * [13:14:33] <PanSola> feel free to hang out here
 * [13:14:42] thanks!
 * [13:14:47] <PanSola> In addition to eGamia, another independent wiki, the Nintendopedia, is also coming over, merging with our Nintendo Wiki
 * [13:15:00] <Kirkburn> Hmm, template isn't set up yet on eGamia, but it should be long
 * [13:15:27] <Kirkburn> Indeed, I spent the weekend doing the import :)
 * [13:15:32] <Phil_E> PanSola: any idea if supermariowiki would be interested in merging with mario.wikia?
 * [13:15:40] <PanSola> Phil_E: no clue
 * [13:15:44] <Phil_E> :/
 * [13:15:54] <PanSola> wait, brb
 * [13:15:54] <Phil_E> how would i go about proposing that?
 * [13:15:56] <Phil_E> kk
 * [13:16:13] <PanSola> back
 * [13:16:13] <Kirkburn> There's about 4000 new pages on nintendo.wikia, if anyone's interested in it, they will need help merging articles :)
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 * [13:16:18] <PanSola> talk to Angie, or angela
 * [13:16:19] <PanSola> hi Azzt_Rhell
 * [13:16:59] <PanSola> the joining of the two larger scope wikis again brings up the question:
 * [13:17:04] <PanSola> the division of scope
 * [13:17:14] <PanSola> Any halo folks here involved with Bungiepedia?
 * [13:17:15] <Azzt_Rhell> rar PanSola
 * [13:18:14] <PanSola> for example, right now, the article about Mario on the Nintendo Wikia is significantly more detailed than article on Mario Wiki
 * [13:18:24] <PanSola> that just feels wrong
 * [13:18:39] <Jack_Phoenix> heh, yeah :p
 * [13:19:07] <Azzt_Rhell> Weahd.
 * [13:19:51] <PanSola> and if the Yuna article on the Squre soft wiki is more detailed than the one on the FInal Fantays wiki (good thing it isn't the case), it'd also feel terrible wrong
 * [13:20:35] <PanSola> so, I want to think about a general "scope guideline"
 * [13:21:07] <PanSola> for the larger scope wikis, on what they should cover, and what they should instead transfer to the specialized wiki instead (when the specialized wiki exist)
 * [13:21:11] <Jack_Phoenix> http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Star.jpg is quite nice image for the featured article star...MarioWiki should adopt it ;-)
 * [13:21:32] <PanSola> I was hoping Bungiepedia might have some experience to share, if anyone is from there
 * [13:21:52] <PanSola> or... Phil_E: what's yoru view?
 * [13:21:58] <PanSola> since you got a Wii wiki
 * [13:22:15] <PanSola> for any Mario Wii games
 * [13:22:40] <PanSola> how would you propose the scope/depth of the Wiiki article to be
 * [13:23:32] * PanSola pokes Phil_E with a very dull and rusted fork
 * [13:24:36] <PanSola> bla
 * [13:24:43] * PanSola tries to poke the Halo people instead
 * [13:25:09] <PanSola> how would you want Bungiepedia to scope their articles on characters from the Halo franchise?
 * [13:26:23] <PanSola> ...
 * [13:26:29] <Kirkburn> Quiet :(
 * [13:27:12] <Kirkburn> Personally I do worry a bit about splitting up wikis too much
 * [13:27:19] <Jack_Phoenix> mmmh...indeed
 * [13:27:44] <Jack_Phoenix> I'd like to find all Mario info from mario.wikia, and that's why I opposed the creation of papermario.wikia, even though it was created...
 * [13:27:48] <Kirkburn> However, assuming we at some point get forums or some method of communication interwiki, it might be less of a problem
 * [13:28:02] <Kirkburn> Jack_Phoenix, eep, I would have too
 * [13:28:19] <Kirkburn> Super Paper Mario is all I'm playing atm :P
 * [13:28:26] <Jack_Phoenix> heh ;-)
 * [13:28:39] * Jack_Phoenix needs a Wii and some games for it...but alas, no money, no deal
 * [13:28:50] * Azzt_Rhell wants a 360
 * [13:29:07] <Jack_Phoenix> I still have my trustworthy GameCube and Paper Mario:The Thousand-Year Door for it ;-)
 * [13:29:54] * Churchreborn found a Wii hidden in her parent's closet a few days ago. :P
 * [13:29:54] <PanSola> but while you worry about splitting them too much, having a Mario wiki separate from Nintendo you feel is ok right?
 * [13:30:13] <PanSola> Churchreborn: I had a question directed at halo ppl
 * [13:30:21] <Kirkburn> I would say yes, since Mario is pretty big
 * [13:30:28] <Jack_Phoenix> sounds fair to me PanSola, Mario is a rather large series after all :-)
 * [13:31:00] <Kirkburn> But that would be an exception
 * [13:31:02] * Kodia|afk is now known as Kodia
 * [13:31:45] <PanSola> Churchreborn: still here?
 * [13:31:59] <Churchreborn> Ja.
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 * [13:32:21] <PanSola> Churchreborn: if the Bungiepedia wants to cover characters/stuff from the Halo franchise
 * [13:32:42] <PanSola> do you feel it should go as indepth as Halopedia? or not as much?
 * [13:32:51] <PanSola> welcome back ForestofTreasure
 * [13:33:02] <ForestofTreasure> Hey PanSola :)
 * [13:33:12] <Churchreborn> Er...I dunno...
 * [13:34:10] <PanSola> hmm
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 * [13:34:22] <PanSola> hi RR
 * [13:34:28] <Kirkburn> And there was me thinking Bungie only did Halo :O
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 * [13:35:27] <PanSola> hmm
 * [13:35:40] <Kirkburn> Next item?
 * [13:35:41] <PanSola> moving to next topic
 * [13:35:49] <Kirkburn> :)
 * [13:35:50] <PanSola> semi-similar, but different
 * [13:36:12] <PanSola> it's kind of a continuation of last week's topic
 * [13:36:54] <PanSola> grr sorry someone's honking out side my window
 * [13:37:54] <PanSola> Anyways, "to attract ppl to the wikis that cover multiple games, so that they don't go out and create/request an independent wiki for a game covered by a multi-game wiki"
 * [13:38:50] <PanSola> Imagine a potential reader, who's interested in just one game maybe because his friend recommended it to him
 * [13:39:13] <PanSola> he doesn't care about the rich lore, the beautiful history, or the subtle politics in the game's story
 * [13:39:29] <PanSola> he just wants to have fun playing that game, and not getting Game Over every 10 minutes
 * [13:40:02] <PanSola> and he has short attention span so if he can't find what he's looking for in 30 seconds on your site, he's gonna go elsewhere
 * [13:40:14] <PanSola> (or found his own wiki)
 * [13:40:57] <PanSola> a lot of the big wikis are doing a good job being an encyclopedic resource on the games' lore
 * [13:41:01] (if he has a 30 second attention span, he's not going to sit through the proccess of founding a wiki)
 * [13:41:13] <PanSola> uberfuzzy: requesting a wiki is pretty easy nowadays
 * [13:41:19] <PanSola> takes' less than 30 sec
 * [13:41:41] <Phil_E> back
 * [13:41:42] <Phil_E> sorry
 * [13:41:50] <PanSola> and because the wikis are created by fans of the game, I think there tend to be an emphasis on the game's lore
 * [13:41:55] yes, but remmeber, this person is LOOKING for information on the game, which implies he doesnt know things about it, so what is he gonna put in this wiki?
 * [13:42:12] <PanSola> ub: he's gonna create it and hope other ppl show up to fill it
 * [13:42:21] do people do that?
 * [13:42:34] <Phil_E> PanSola: what were you saying? i'm sorry
 * [13:42:38] <PanSola> I believe so
 * [13:42:56] <PanSola> Phil_E: current topic is about making wikis that cover multiple games attractive to ppl who only care about one game
 * [13:43:15] <PanSola> and I'm pulling a extreme-case example for consideration
 * [13:43:16] <Kodia> Then why would it be approved without someone on staff saying "yo, this other one fits the bill"
 * [13:43:36] <PanSola> because staff get too many requests and some slip through
 * [13:43:43] <Phil_E> what about emphasizing the games covered, to draw them in, and then comparing the games to other ones to broaden interest?
 * [13:44:29] <PanSola> using Final Fantasy as an example
 * [13:44:49] <Phil_E> hmm
 * [13:44:52] <PanSola> if I go to their main page (and only pay attention to the main page, missing the sidebar)
 * [13:44:58] <PanSola> and I am only interested in FF5
 * [13:45:43] <PanSola> I see an FFV link, I click on it, and it throws me an encyclopedic article that I can kind of expect from Wikipedia
 * [13:46:17] <PanSola> I might just decide, using that as a first impression (without scrolling to the bottom), that this site doesn't have stuff that I am interested in
 * [13:47:05] <PanSola> Now, look at the Halo main page
 * [13:47:11] <PanSola> http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
 * [13:47:30] <PanSola> under "Halo Games", if I go down enough, still on the main page,
 * [13:47:45] <PanSola> I'll seee walkthrough links directly for each of the games
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 * [13:48:07] <PanSola> they actually all go to the same page, but I like how they still used three different links
 * [13:48:53] <PanSola> so I'm less likely to decide to request an independent Halo 2 wiki
 * [13:48:58] <PanSola> comapred to FF5
 * [13:49:28] <PanSola> that's one method of making such information more prominent
 * [13:49:44] <Phil_E> that reminds me..
 * [13:50:04] <Phil_E> i had an idea for Halopedia..should i bring it up later or mention it now?
 * [13:50:34] <PanSola> depends on if hte halo folks are paying attention or not
 * [13:50:50] <PanSola> and depends on if you thinksomething similar might be useful for other wikis
 * [13:50:55] <PanSola> or if it's just very specific to Halopedia
 * [13:51:02] <Phil_E> i'll bring it up later then ;)
 * [13:52:03] <Kodia> if other games can benefit even by example, it might be worth discussing
 * [13:52:41] <PanSola> oh yeah and sorry Kodia, single-game wiki is kinda getting negelected in the discussion
 * [13:52:42] <Phil_E> well it was an idea for merging halo., halofanon., and halomods.wikia into halo.wikia
 * [13:53:20] <PanSola> while the "merge" idea might be very halo-specific, there is a relavent topic
 * [13:53:21] <Phil_E> since i know at least the mods wiki will be difficult to make content for, there could be a Mod: namespace on the main halo site
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 * [13:53:35] mods yes, fanon no
 * [13:53:42] * Kodia agrees
 * [13:53:50] <Kodia> (with UF that is)
 * [13:53:54] <Phil_E> yeah, i thought as much
 * [13:54:28] trying to keep game info vs fanon info seperate on 1 wiki would be very very difficult without a TON of disambig's
 * [13:54:29] <Phil_E> since the fanon's doing good, but i can't imagine how big halomods could get on its own
 * [13:54:34] <Phil_E> true
 * [13:54:45] <PanSola> a general idea is to invite teh community to not restrict the wiki to just an encyclopedia + walthrough site
 * [13:55:07] <PanSola> uberfuzzy: easy. Put fan stuff in a Fan namespace
 * [13:55:12] <Phil_E> apparently GPT would say otherwise..
 * [13:55:30] * Quits: Jack_Phoenix
 * [13:55:54] if you were setting it from from scratch, yes, but if you've already got a seperate fanon site, just leave it
 * [13:55:57] <Phil_E> the Fanon: namespace i had considered, but uberfuzzy made a good point(having conflicting titles and such)
 * [13:56:29] <Phil_E> (noticed this thanks to Manticore): http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:James-001#Halo_Mods
 * [13:56:48] <PanSola> Proactively let the community know that the wiki isn't restricted to just being a walkthrough + lore encyclopedia, adn that if they have any general type of topic not currently on the wiki
 * [13:56:49] <Phil_E> GPT's apparently vehemently against having *any* fan-made content on Halopedia
 * [13:56:54] <PanSola> they can bring it up for discussion
 * [13:57:00] <PanSola> instead of automatically creating a new wiki for it
 * [13:57:16] <PanSola> it might not work for Halo
 * [13:57:24] <Phil_E> even the mods?
 * [13:57:36] <PanSola> but if Everquest 2 ppl are interested in fanfiction/RP stuff,
 * [13:57:37] *gag* why is that gray text on red?
 * [13:57:46] <Phil_E> :P
 * [13:57:49] <PanSola> you can consider getting a Fan namespace for that material
 * [13:58:01] <PanSola> and actively encourage ppl to come up with new areas to expand the wiki with
 * [13:58:07] <Phil_E> hmm
 * [13:58:08] <PanSola> webcomics
 * [13:58:49] <PanSola> um
 * [13:59:00] <PanSola> and other stuff we have not been able to imagine before
 * [13:59:19] <Phil_E> also
 * [13:59:19] <PanSola> don't let "our wiki currently doesn't do this" be the reason for ppl to create splinter wikis
 * [13:59:42] <Phil_E> if it's under a different namespace, we could even have a seperate logo for it, the way Uncyc does for UnNew and such
 * [13:59:58] <Phil_E> using Splarka's CSS trick
 * [14:00:27] <PanSola> there are tiems when a splinter wiki does make more sense
 * [14:00:45] <PanSola> but actively encourage the community to expand the scope of your main wiki first
 * [14:01:17] <Phil_E> hmm
 * [14:01:24] <Phil_E> I'll bring it up on Halopedia
 * [14:01:40] <Phil_E> I just hope GPT doesn't immediately reject the idea..
 * [14:01:43] <PanSola> anyone have anything else they want to discuss?
 * [14:02:14] <PanSola> Please take some time to visit eGamia and Nintendo.
 * [14:02:35] <PanSola> This is the last meeting of the year. Next week is Xmas long weekend, and the following is New Year kind of long weekend
 * [14:02:47] <PanSola> but do feel free to hang out here
 * [14:02:54] <PanSola> and just chit chat about general stuff
 * [14:02:55] <PanSola> (-:
 * [14:03:24] <Phil_E> :D
 * [14:03:36] <PanSola> Phil_E: btw
 * [14:03:37] <PanSola> so
 * [14:03:53] <PanSola> say there's a Mario Wii game by Nintendo
 * [14:04:28] <PanSola> what do you think the corresponding wiki articles on the Mario, Wii, and Nintendo wikis should cover, in terms of depth
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 * [14:04:36] <Phil_E> rofl..
 * [14:04:44] * Quits: Relentless|Away
 * [14:04:49] <PanSola> poor RR
 * [14:04:54] <Phil_E> well, the Nintendo article should be least in-depth IMO
 * [14:05:11] <Phil_E> and then the Wii article could cover more about any special features it has for the Wii and such
 * [14:05:18] <Phil_E> and the Mario one could elaborate more on story
 * [14:05:36] <Phil_E> special features e.g controls, features, walkthroughs
 * [14:08:57] <PanSola> any specific "guidelines" you think that might be set for Nintendo, other than just "less in-depth than Wii Wiki"?
 * [14:09:25] <Phil_E> hmm
 * [14:09:33] <Phil_E> not sure
 * [14:09:58] <PanSola> http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/New_Super_Mario_Bros.
 * [14:10:13] <Phil_E> just that it could be more general in scope than the other two so as not to discourage users from visiting the other wikis
 * [14:11:35] <PanSola> looking at the current state of Nintendo.wikia's New Super Mario Brothers, do you think the Wii version can have more info?
 * [14:12:05] <Dashiva> How is this going to be announced? "Nintendo wiki, you guys are making the rest of us look bad. Please trim down your articles."
 * [14:12:16] <PanSola> lol
 * [14:12:18] <Phil_E> :P
 * [14:12:34] <PanSola> well instead of trimming htem, maybe use theirs as a base and further expand
 * [14:12:41] <Phil_E> well the Wii wiki wouldn't necessarily cover it, seeing as it's a DS game :P
 * [14:12:44] <Phil_E> hmm
 * [14:12:46] <PanSola> o_O
 * [14:12:56] <PanSola> nvmind
 * [14:12:58] <Phil_E> lol
 * [14:12:59] <PanSola> I thought it's a Wii game
 * [14:13:02] <Phil_E> i know what you mean ;)
 * [14:13:46] <PanSola> also, waht's the rational for the consol wiki being more indepth than the brand/company wiki?
 * [14:14:22] <Phil_E> well since the brand/company wiki covers more than just the games(people, events, etc), they would be more general IMO
 * [14:14:39] <PanSola> the consol wiki also covers more than just the games
 * [14:14:41] <PanSola> I wouuld think
 * [14:14:58] <Phil_E> well to some extent yes
 * [14:15:14] <Dashiva> It's not a one-way street. The Wii wiki doesn't need any info on Mario as a character, but Nintendo should have lots
 * [14:15:19] <PanSola> oh oops, I'm thinking of Nintendo as the game company
 * [14:15:22] <PanSola> not as the consol company
 * [14:15:25] <Phil_E> heh
 * [14:16:03] <Phil_E> well the Wii Wiki wouldn't have articles on any game boy games for example
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 * [14:16:15] <Phil_E> it wouldn't fit in with the rest of the content
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 * [14:16:49] <Phil_E> it does have some other console games(NES, N64) since they're available on the Virtual console, but otherwise they shouldn't be on there, or so i would think
 * [14:16:55] <PanSola> well I guess Nintendo is an oddcase
 * [14:17:02] <PanSola> it's like Sony + Square
 * [14:17:05] <Phil_E> heh
 * [14:17:09] <PanSola> and I'm only focused on the "Square" aspect
 * [14:17:27] * PanSola ponders
 * [14:18:07] * Kirkburn wonders whether weekly #wikia meetings should exist as well
 * [14:18:20] <ForestofTreasure> heh
 * [14:18:36] <Phil_E> that wouldn't be a bad idea ;)
 * [14:18:37] <Kirkburn> PanSola, hows about 1.12/upgrade news?
 * [14:18:43] <PanSola> shoot
 * [14:18:49] <PanSola> um for anyone still paying attention
 * [14:18:56] <PanSola> Wikia is in the process of upgrading to 1.12
 * [14:19:14] <PanSola> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:MediaWiki_1.12_upgrade
 * [14:19:22] <Phil_E> 1000 wikis already done :D
 * [14:19:32] <PanSola> you can read/report problems associated iwth the upgrade there
 * [14:19:34] <Dashiva> So we're upgrading to alpha... again?
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 * [14:20:20] <PanSola> this is one of the things Wikia is kinda following Wikipedia
 * [14:20:29] <PanSola> using alpha versions d-:
 * [14:20:35] * Quits: Phil_E_
 * [14:20:45] * Quits: Kodia
 * [14:20:54] * Quits: Phil_E
 * [14:21:08] <Dashiva> Except wikipedia gets live support and updates, and wikia... well...
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 * [14:21:35] <Phil_E> what did i miss?
 * [14:21:39] <PanSola> Wikia uses the live support resources of WP d-:
 * [14:21:46] <PanSola> Phil: just talking about wikia using alphas
 * [14:21:49] <ForestofTreasure> and other fun stuff :p
 * [14:21:49] <Phil_E> ah
 * [14:22:08] <Dashiva> PanSola: We're still at 1.10, suggests we haven't got any updates for at least three months :P
 * [14:22:20] <Kirkburn> Doesn't mean we don't get fixes
 * [14:22:34] <PanSola> Dashiva: not the main MW core software
 * [14:22:42] <Kirkburn> Wouldn't worry about it being alpha, it's well tested
 * [14:22:43] <PanSola> but the extensions, and seciruty patches for 1.10
 * [14:23:50] <Kirkburn> Also, the servers got upgrades over the weekend, so hopefully people are seeing a more responsive Wikia atm :)
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 * [14:24:12] <ForestofTreasure> Hello Kodia :)
 * [14:24:25] <Kirkburn> More Wikia will be moved to 1.12 next week, but the biggest wikia may not get it until the new year, depending on how it goes
 * [14:24:32] <Kodia> hi. sorry. my computer went to sleep on me while i was in the kitchen
 * [14:24:45] <ForestofTreasure> get a better client :-p
 * [14:25:07] <Phil_E> *cough* xchat *cough*
 * [14:25:14] <Kodia> client is fine. computer is fine. thanks for your ideas.
 * [14:25:32] <ForestofTreasure> Phil_E: Xchat is a major fail
 * [14:25:39] <Phil_E> not really
 * [14:25:40] <Kirkburn> ahem
 * [14:26:07] <Kirkburn> Btw, if you subscribe to the main wikia mailing list, you'll likely get updates on the upgrade
 * [14:26:30] <ForestofTreasure> Phil_E: If it can't allow me to join channels on autojoin it fails
 * [14:26:39] <Phil_E> it does..
 * [14:26:43] <ForestofTreasure> It doesn't for me :S
 * [14:26:51] <Phil_E> then you're the fail :P
 * [14:26:55] <Phil_E> lol jk
 * [14:26:58] * ForestofTreasure fails himself
 * [14:27:12] <Phil_E> and lyphe
 * [14:27:17] <Dashiva> Don't worry, I'm sure ForestofTreasure's IRC client is fail too. xchat isn't alone.
 * [14:27:23] <Phil_E> http://softmile.com/download/
 * [14:27:40] <ForestofTreasure> Dashiva :o
 * [14:27:50] <Kirkburn> Back on topic .... :)
 * [14:28:02] <Phil_E> then
 * [14:28:16] <Kirkburn> Sec, will paste the wikis not getting upgraded next week
 * [14:28:19] <Phil_E> xchat > server list > edit > channels to join etc
 * [14:28:24] <Kirkburn> The list includes a fair few gaming wikis
 * [14:28:31] <ForestofTreasure> Phil_E: Doesn't work
 * [14:28:38] <Kodia> yep eq2i is not being upgraded afaik
 * [14:28:38] <Phil_E> it does
 * [14:28:39] * ForestofTreasure blames xchat
 * [14:28:40] <Phil_E> and should
 * [14:28:46] <Phil_E> download from that link
 * [14:28:47] <Dashiva> So when do we get new DPL?
 * [14:28:49] <Phil_E> and try again
 * [14:28:50] <Phil_E> :P
 * [14:28:55] <Dashiva> I was told it was connected to the upgrade
 * [14:30:33] <Kirkburn> http://wikia.pastey.net/79097
 * [14:30:45] <Kirkburn> ^ the upgrade news
 * [14:31:22] <Dashiva> tabularasa is in top 30? heh
 * [14:31:36] <Kirkburn> Oh, and in similar news, I made updates to the default MediaWiki text in several areas
 * [14:32:15] <Kirkburn> Unless it was already edited on your wiki, you may have noticed different text in some areas of the wiki - hopefully no problems being found?
 * [14:32:59] <Kirkburn> it'd take a long time to list all the little changes :P
 * [14:33:27] <Kirkburn> I was kinda surprised edittools hadn't been rolled out to all wikia
 * [14:37:43] incase anyone is still here listening, i would like to remind everyone to still keep an eye on Special:ProblemReports on your wiki's, users ARE starting to use it more, but not everyone is dealing with them
 * [14:37:59] <Kodia> yep good suggestion
 * [14:38:08] there is a quartz widget, a special page, and its even a rss feed
 * [14:39:26] this doesnt mean users are using it correctly mind you
 * [14:40:07] <Dashiva> We've got one valid report so far, heh
 * [14:40:41] many times, is anon users using "incorrect content" instead of making the change them selves or leaving a note on a talk page
 * [14:40:53] * uberfuzzy *cough* http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ProblemReports
 * [14:41:00] <Dashiva> The interface is somewhat lacking
 * [14:41:18] <Dashiva> For example, it allows submitting without a description
 * [14:42:19] Sannse says she is working on that
 * [14:42:25] * Kodia is now known as Kodia|ingame
 * [14:42:29] and to her credit, improvements are being made

-PanSola 19:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)