Forum:2008 Mar 16 IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PST (California etc).


 * [13:00:09]  ok time for self-introductions!
 * [13:00:21] * PanSola is from the GuildWiki (Guild Wars), and happen to be a sysop there
 * [13:00:49] * Hinoa is a member on Golden Sun Universe (Golden Sun)
 * [13:00:52] * Azul81677 is a Moderator at the Final Fantasy Wiki and an Admin/Sysop from the Kingdom Hearts Wiki
 * [13:01:07] * DuTempete is from WoWWiki
 * [13:01:07] * supergeeky1 is a bureau on SWGames, the Star Wars Games Wiki.
 * [13:01:34] * Cactuar83 is a user on FFWiki and SWGames
 * [13:01:38] * AdmirableAckbar is from Ireland
 * [13:01:46]  Yay Ireland!
 * [13:01:51] * Ryfos|RuneScape is from no Wiki, I p00n!
 * [13:02:13] * Grievous is the founder of DF wiki, Mechquest wiki and Star Wars miniatures wiki
 * [13:02:30]  Oh and im also a longtime member of the Runescape wiki
 * [13:02:37] * Tesfan is an sysop at RuneScape wiki
 * [13:03:01]  and a lurker at the #halopedia and #uncyclopedia chats xD
 * [13:03:14]  lol
 * [13:03:17]  I thought I recognized you, Tes. :P
 * [13:03:22]  xD
 * [13:03:26] * Ryfos|RuneScape is banned at the RuneScape wiki. I blame Tesfan!
 * [13:03:32]  psh
 * [13:03:54] * Grievous will never venture to the dark hellish place known as "#uncyclopedia"
 * [13:04:09]  aww
 * [13:04:14]  A wise decision, Grievous.
 * [13:04:18] * Hinoa is a sysop there :P
 * [13:04:23]  xD
 * [13:04:26] * Grievous backs away
 * [13:04:36] * Grievous steps back into the shadows
 * [13:04:46]  Hey, I don't bite. Unless you ask, but that's a different story entirely. :)
 * [13:04:47] * Joins: Richard1990
 * [13:04:50]  xD
 * [13:04:57]  o.O
 * [13:04:57]  Richard! \o/
 * [13:05:01] * Grievous runs away faster
 * [13:05:07]  (-:
 * [13:05:10] <PanSola> hi Richard1990
 * [13:05:15] <Cactuar83> chat starts now
 * [13:05:22] <Richard1990> hi guys
 * [13:05:27] * PanSola pokes Dashiva
 * [13:05:34] * Richard1990 is a Wikia Gaming Helper
 * [13:05:53] * PanSola pokes Tomsen
 * [13:05:53] <DuTempete> why hello Richard1990
 * [13:05:56] * Parts: Cactuar83
 * [13:06:01] * Simonrjh is active on Halopedia and founded Gruntipedia
 * [13:06:03] <DuTempete> speaking of gaming helpers... where is uberfuzzy?
 * [13:06:09] <Richard1990> mmmm i dunno
 * [13:06:23] <PanSola> so, any wiki have anything they want to share?
 * [13:06:23] <DuTempete> bum
 * [13:06:28] <PanSola> news, issues, questions etc
 * [13:06:39] * Joins: foxlit
 * [13:06:40] <DuTempete> I actually have a question
 * [13:06:44] * Quits: Grievous
 * [13:06:46] * DuTempete hides from foxlit
 * [13:07:04] <DuTempete> I was wondering if anyone has a "new to the wiki" guide
 * [13:07:21] <Richard1990> like, new to what a wiki is and stufF?
 * [13:07:47] <PanSola> hmm
 * [13:07:48] <DuTempete> I'd like to write a guide up that ties together all the help articles for my wiki that new folks need, and tells them how to get involved, where al lthe social stuff goes on
 * [13:08:07] <PanSola> the new starter kit kind of has something
 * [13:08:16] <DuTempete> basically, if you want to really get involved, this is how you do that
 * [13:08:26] * Joins: Grievous797
 * [13:08:30] * Joins: KyleH`
 * [13:08:31] * Joins: KyleH``
 * [13:08:32] <PanSola> DuTempete:  http://starter.wikia.com/
 * [13:08:40] <Richard1990> does this help
 * [13:08:41] <PanSola> most new wikis created now has it
 * [13:08:42] <Richard1990> http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Advice_on_starting_a_wiki
 * [13:08:55] * Quits: KyleH``
 * [13:08:55] <PanSola> is this for visiters/users or admins?
 * [13:09:09] <DuTempete> for users :P
 * [13:09:34] <PanSola> then the "Helping Out" section on starter.wikia is one example I suppose
 * [13:09:43] <PanSola> and if you have any suggestions for it, you can poke Kirkburn d-:
 * [13:10:04] <DuTempete> We have a very comprehensive community portal at wowwiki, but I think we lack a solid guide on this sort of thing. We stil get a lot of questions from folks about finding help articles and our editor count is low
 * [13:10:11] <DuTempete> he's asleep atm :P
 * [13:10:12] <PanSola> otherwise there is teh tutorial on central to introduce ppl on how to use a wiki (but not really focused on how to help a wiki)
 * [13:10:18] <DuTempete> sleeping off the jetlag :P
 * [13:10:45] <DuTempete> but I'm going to write up an example to go with my projects project
 * [13:10:55] <PanSola> cool
 * [13:11:19] <Richard1990> how are you guys liking the monaco skin
 * [13:11:23] <PanSola> halo and RS folks: do you have anything like that?
 * [13:11:25] <Azul81677> It's okay
 * [13:11:28] <DuTempete> oh, and my OpEd? I don't think I have enough of an example to really write one.  I have an idea in my mind that I'd like to propose to my wiki first
 * [13:11:43] <Azul81677> I perfer the Monobook
 * [13:11:47] <Hinoa> Call me old-fashioned, but I actually prefer Monobook.
 * [13:11:55] <PanSola> um, we are talking about helping wikis
 * [13:12:03] <Richard1990> yeah sorry lol i jumped ahead
 * [13:12:10] <PanSola> oh I missed Richard1990's question
 * [13:12:11] * Hinoa blames Richard
 * [13:12:38] <DuTempete> has anyone linked the news articles on last weekend's panel, yet?
 * [13:12:55] <PanSola> I don't think so
 * [13:13:02] <DuTempete> lemme get the links real quick
 * [13:13:07] <DuTempete> might be interesting
 * [13:13:36] <PanSola> (-:
 * [13:13:49] <DuTempete> http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/08/sxsw08-edit-me-how-gamers-are-adopting-the-wiki-way/
 * [13:13:50] <DuTempete> and...
 * [13:13:59] <DuTempete> http://www.massively.com/2008/03/08/sxsw08-how-gamers-are-adopting-the-wiki-way/
 * [13:14:08] * AdmirableAckbar is now known as Acky|awayish
 * [13:14:39] <Richard1990> oh yeah interesting read those
 * [13:14:48] <PanSola> (-:
 * [13:15:00] <PanSola> DuTempete wanna put it on the hub?
 * [13:15:12] <DuTempete> sure-ness
 * [13:15:31] <PanSola> (-:
 * [13:15:43] <PanSola> ok Monaco
 * [13:15:44] <DuTempete> I'm surprised you guys haven't done that yet :P
 * [13:15:46] <DuTempete> slackers
 * [13:15:48] <PanSola> d-:
 * [13:16:04] <PanSola> feedback on monaco?
 * [13:16:29] <Ryfos|RuneScape> p00nz Quartz!
 * [13:16:48] <Ryfos|RuneScape> I like the skin better than even monobook.. lol
 * [13:16:53] <Richard1990> cool
 * [13:17:05] <Richard1990> yeah i've been using monobook until january of this year i guess
 * [13:17:13] <Hinoa> Oh, come on, saying Monaco > Quartz is like saying eating cake is better than eating mud :P
 * [13:17:17] <Richard1990> i switched to quartz, and then switched to monaco as soon as it came out
 * [13:17:19] * Hinoa was NOT a fan of Quartz
 * [13:17:31] * Grievous797 likes his monobookness
 * [13:17:40] <PanSola> Hinoa: there are ppl that preferred quartz, to my surprise
 * [13:18:04] <Azul81677> Monobook
 * [13:18:37] <Hinoa> Personally, I still like Monobook better, but that may be due to the fact that I'm used to it by now.
 * [13:18:44] <Richard1990> yeah
 * [13:19:04] <Richard1990> i like monaco because i like how compact the sidebar is
 * [13:19:10] <Richard1990> you can really customize it
 * [13:19:24] <Richard1990> and the widgets are nice too
 * [13:19:54] <DuTempete> It was just Angie and Kirkburn on the panel, right?
 * [13:20:09] <PanSola> yeah I enjoy looking at the "Last edited by" widget for articles
 * [13:20:20] <KyleH`> Yes. Doug was at SXSW as well, but he wasn't on the panel.
 * [13:20:32] <DuTempete> kks
 * [13:20:53] <KyleH`> I personally really like being able to set my own Monaco-sidebar so I can stick stuff on it that are important to me
 * [13:21:01] <KyleH`> err that is important
 * [13:22:09] <PanSola> any other feedback on monaco?
 * [13:23:42] <PanSola> Kyle any news on the egamia/hub project?
 * [13:24:47] <KyleH`> We're starting to discuss the new homepage design for the gaming hub. I encourage anyone interested to participate in the discussion: http://egamia.wikia.com/wiki/Egamia:Reorganize/Homepage_Design
 * [13:25:04] <PanSola> (tell us why we should be interested d-: )
 * [13:26:39] <KyleH`> haha ... well, once we are finished, all breadcrums and links to Wikia Gaming will go to this homepage similar to how they go to the gaming hub now, so it is an important factor in getting traffic from other wikis, press releases, etc.
 * [13:27:39] <KyleH`> We're going to be doing more press and developer outreach over the coming months, so hopefully the improved gaming hub will serve to drive additional traffic and editors to your wikis
 * [13:27:43] * Grievous797 is now known as Altair
 * [13:28:21] * Parts: Altair
 * [13:29:35] <PanSola> cool
 * [13:29:49] <PanSola> hmm, the Golden Sun is related to Super Smash Brothers right?
 * [13:30:04] <Richard1990> i dont think so...
 * [13:30:11] <Hinoa> ...not really.
 * [13:30:17] <PanSola> oh
 * [13:30:40] <Richard1990> a golden sun character is in brawl as an assist trophy i believe
 * [13:30:43] <Hinoa> We've got a one-member overlap and we mention SSBB. That's really it.
 * [13:30:44] <DuTempete> Done: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/OpEd:Gaming_wiki_panel_at_South_by_Southwest%21
 * [13:30:46] <Richard1990> thats about all they have incommon
 * [13:30:54] <PanSola> thanks DuTempete
 * [13:31:01] <Hinoa> Pretty much what Rich said.
 * [13:31:01] <PanSola> assist trophy o_O
 * [13:31:48] * Parts: Ryfos|RuneScape
 * [13:31:57] <PanSola> oh
 * [13:31:59] <PanSola> ok
 * [13:32:16] <PanSola> any other wikis got any news, issues, concerns, or questions?
 * [13:32:47] <Acky|awayish> Is this teh mrofference?
 * [13:33:10] <PanSola> Acky|awayish: can you repeat teh question?
 * [13:33:11] * Acky|awayish is now known as AdmirableAckbar
 * [13:33:22] <AdmirableAckbar> Is this teh mrofference?
 * [13:33:31] <PanSola> what is " mrofference"?
 * [13:33:43] <AdmirableAckbar> Random Wookieepedian joke.
 * [13:33:50] <PanSola> ok
 * [13:33:55] <DuTempete> hehe sorry, we don't get it :P
 * [13:34:00] <Hinoa> Over my head...
 * [13:34:19] <PanSola> yeah sorry, not enough of us frequent wookiepedia to get it
 * [13:35:04] <PanSola> halo folks: how are the solcial features turning out, in terms of the social dynamics on teh wiki?
 * [13:36:09] <AdmirableAckbar> I'm not a Halo folk, but, IMHO, really really bad.
 * [13:36:10] <Tesfan> Well, to put it nicely, there seems to be a large increase of users who just use the new features
 * [13:36:45] <Richard1990> heh yeah i think uberfuzzy wasnt impressed by what was going on
 * [13:37:46] <PanSola> hmm
 * [13:38:08] <Richard1990> i think i'd like to see it on smashwiki
 * [13:38:21] <Richard1990> with all the tournament stuff with ssb, it might be good
 * [13:38:26] <AdmirableAckbar> http://qdb.lucidfox.org/quotes/view/328
 * [13:38:31] * Hinoa 's eye twitches
 * [13:39:12] <PanSola> Simonrjh: you are also from halopedia right? what's your view?
 * [13:39:29] <Simonrjh> on what? i'm not really watching this chat :/
 * [13:39:33] <PanSola> )-:
 * [13:39:35] * Quits: Azul81677
 * [13:39:43] <PanSola> [13:35:04] <PanSola> halo folks: how are the solcial features turning out, in terms of the social dynamics on teh wiki?
 * [13:39:44] <Simonrjh> the new format thingy?
 * [13:39:45] <Tesfan> Simonrjh: The new features
 * [13:39:51] <Simonrjh> ugh, they fail
 * [13:40:23] <Simonrjh> this guy got 50,000 points in a day for recruiting a load of noobs who never edit
 * [13:40:30] <Richard1990> lol
 * [13:40:43] <PanSola> probalby throw-away email addoresses o_O
 * [13:40:51] <Simonrjh> and ppl sockpuppet to get recruitment points
 * [13:40:58] <DuTempete> ewww
 * [13:41:02] <Simonrjh> people make loads of little edits to get points...
 * [13:41:13] <DuTempete> that's by biggest fear, right there
 * [13:41:24] <Hinoa> Even from my viewpoint way the hell away from Halopedia, I'd say just throw it out. >_<
 * [13:41:27] <PanSola> So concerns that are materializing:
 * [13:41:27] <AdmirableAckbar> Really annoying poll and quiz ads appear on other wikis...
 * [13:41:35] <PanSola> * Recruitment-point abouse
 * [13:41:39] <PanSola> * Edit count abuse
 * [13:41:49] <DuTempete> Are there admin tools that allow them to remove points from users?
 * [13:42:12] <PanSola> Simonrjh: anything else?
 * [13:42:14] <DuTempete> that may be the solution to those issues
 * [13:42:24] <AdmirableAckbar> Is halopedia honestly supposed to be an encyclopedia?
 * [13:42:31] <Tesfan> I've never thought I would say this, but I think the admins should have more power =P
 * [13:42:32] <AdmirableAckbar> Is that its aim, or is it a social site?
 * [13:42:44] <Tesfan> For example, they can't delete single comments
 * [13:42:47] <Tesfan> *on a blog
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 * [13:42:53] <PanSola> hi James-001
 * [13:43:13] <Tesfan> 'ello
 * [13:43:15] <PanSola> we are discussing the effects of the new social features being experimented on Halopedia right now
 * [13:43:29] <James-001> ...oh really...
 * [13:43:34] <PanSola> (so we can learn from the experience before it gets put on more wikis)
 * [13:43:36] <Simonrjh> erm...well, to sum up, the point system is kinda stupid and all the social stuff has attracted a load of facebookers who dont contribute, all they do is chat about vaguely halo-related stuff and send each other gifts
 * [13:43:53] <DuTempete> ugh
 * [13:44:06] <PanSola> Simonrjh: how much of the existing community do you think also utilize the new stuff?
 * [13:44:07] <Simonrjh> also, i'm sick of polls like "Which end would you bang Cortana in?"
 * [13:44:30] <James-001> people are using different emails(probably from more than one computer in the household) to get more points for "recuriting" more people
 * [13:44:36] <Simonrjh> yep
 * [13:44:40] <Richard1990> yeah some of the polls i saw were odd
 * [13:44:44] <James-001> the only reason that more people have joined is for the points
 * [13:44:46] * supergeeky1 is now known as SG1|Food
 * [13:44:50] <James-001> and some are the same people
 * [13:45:08] <Simonrjh> ugh, 1 guy made about 5 socks today
 * [13:45:25] <James-001> PanSola get rid of the points. then everything else is ok
 * [13:45:40] <PanSola> ok, so say we take the extreme measure of: no poitns for inviting ppl, no points for any edits
 * [13:45:53] <PanSola> are teh other point-related stuff still problematic?
 * [13:45:54] <DuTempete> or ad admin tools that can remove points
 * [13:46:00] <AdmirableAckbar> What about points for large edits?
 * [13:46:05] <AdmirableAckbar> Like over 1,000 KBs.
 * [13:46:12] <James-001> too complicated
 * [13:46:22] <Tesfan> hmm
 * [13:46:34] <Tesfan> I think still having a incentive to edit could work
 * [13:46:44] <DuTempete> would only need a special:points/username that lists all the events that append points to that account
 * [13:46:46] <James-001> it'd take a while for someone to develop a system that determines how many bytes or words you change in an article
 * [13:46:49] <AdmirableAckbar> How about: it's supposed to be enjoyable.
 * [13:46:52] <Tesfan> 'cause otherwise nobody would edit and just point spam
 * [13:46:52] <PanSola> ackbar: you would disporpotinately reward people who *add* text, and not ppl who re-write text (which is often much needed)
 * [13:46:54] <Hinoa> Again, just speaking as an outsider, someone might add in stuff in HTML comments to get around the 1000KB limit...
 * [13:46:58] <AdmirableAckbar> The only reason anyone edits a wiki is to enjoy it.
 * [13:46:59] <DuTempete> and allow admins to remove events from the list
 * [13:47:52] * Quits: Richard1990
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 * [13:48:09] <James-001> i've seen people add an obsessive amount of links to articles that just lead back to that article just for the points
 * [13:48:32] <Richard1990> so people are really aggressive for the points eh...
 * [13:48:56] * James-001 was under the impression that once a link is in an article, it is not necessary to put the link in again?
 * [13:49:13] <PanSola> in terms of social dynamics, do you see a (more or less) clear split between the original community vs the new flood of "Facebookers"? Or do you see a non-trivial portion of the existing community also playing with the new features much?
 * [13:49:29] <James-001> the first one
 * [13:49:38] <DuTempete> no, James-001, I think the typical MoS states only the first one is necessary
 * [13:49:41] <PanSola> James-001: for the links, that depends on the individual wiki's culture
 * [13:49:59] <PanSola> I personally perfer once per paragraph/section (depending on the length)
 * [13:50:10] <PanSola> if it's a very long article, having only the first instance linked can be inconvinent too
 * [13:50:59] <PanSola> Tesfan: I forgot, are you mainly a halopedian or a RSWikian?
 * [13:51:05] <James-001> ok...i'll use an example, 5 of the same links that link to the same page...say the article is John-117, and i see 5 links to John-117 in that article, in the same paragraph
 * [13:51:09] * AdmirableAckbar is now known as Acky|awayish
 * [13:51:15] <Tesfan> mostly (as in a sysop) a rswikian
 * [13:51:24] <Tesfan> I lurk the #halopedia IRC chat
 * [13:52:25] * Quits: Tesfan
 * [13:52:28] <PanSola> Simonrjh: does your observation mostly concure with James-001's? (clear split between original community vs facebookers, as opposed to a non-trivial portion of original community also playing with new features)
 * [13:52:55] <Simonrjh> yes, entirely
 * [13:52:56] * Joins: Tesfan
 * [13:53:03] <PanSola> wb Tesfan
 * [13:53:34] <Tesfan> heh, thanks
 * [13:53:39] <James-001> it's just that unlike us, the older generation, the newer generation of halopedians has not direction, no education, and no common sense of how a wiki works
 * [13:53:50] <James-001> *no direction
 * [13:53:50] <Simonrjh> PanSola: i would guess about a quarter of the "veteran" users interact with the new ones, and only 1 admin
 * [13:54:04] <PanSola> James-001: do you think they may be educatable?
 * [13:54:13] <PanSola> well 1 quarter would be non-trivial in my opinion
 * [13:54:16] <PanSola> interesting
 * [13:55:02] <James-001> possible...but i was already "legal" before i joined halopedia so i can understand the concepts and not look at halopedia as a place to make random edits...they are mostly very young
 * [13:55:12] <Tesfan> hmm, I might make a poll that asks that
 * [13:55:53] <PanSola> hmm
 * [13:56:35] <James-001> PanSola are any other wiki's experimenting with this social sturcture thingy? or was halopedia the first?
 * [13:56:43] <PanSola> Halo is the first
 * [13:56:59] <PanSola> additional wikis will be getting it soon, but in smaller component chunks
 * [13:57:02] <James-001> hmmm...then i guess i can understand the problems
 * [13:57:07] <PanSola> for better study of individual effects
 * [13:57:24] <James-001> any idea of who's next?
 * [13:57:27] <PanSola> (of course then we miss out on coupled-effects)
 * [13:57:27] <DuTempete> similarly, I note that most of the wowwiki "inner circle" is very internet savvy... I, personally, can't comprehend the PoV of getting wiki involved without already having that experience
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 * [13:57:44] <PanSola> Kyle and/or Richard1990 would remember better who's next
 * [13:57:47] <KyleH`> armchairgm.com is using a number of the features, but it's a very different environment from Halopedia
 * [13:57:58] <Hexedmagica> morning peoples.
 * [13:57:58] <James-001> and not all gaming wiki's can use the rank system
 * [13:57:59] <PanSola> but Super Smash Brothers is probalby amont the next
 * [13:58:00] <PanSola> hi Hexedmagica
 * [13:58:20] <James-001> it just wouldn't fit right
 * [13:58:33] * Quits: Churchreborn
 * [13:58:34] <KyleH`> FFXI will be next, then we'll be rolling it out on 4 more as experiments, but we need to talk with those communities before we say who they are. ;)
 * [13:58:41] <DuTempete> wowwiki is only getting the skins, next, correct?
 * [13:58:48] <KyleH`> FFXI will be an interesting test because the community is completely different from Halopedia
 * [13:58:52] <PanSola> DuTempete: not the skin
 * [13:58:57] <PanSola> Halo has its own skin
 * [13:59:04] <PanSola> the rest will be goign with monaco
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 * [13:59:18] <DuTempete> oh, I thought the skin was necessary for the tools :P
 * [13:59:19] <PanSola> I mean *getting*
 * [13:59:40] <PanSola> they can be de-coupled
 * [13:59:56] <DuTempete> I see
 * [13:59:56] <DuTempete> but, generally, they are?
 * [13:59:59] <KyleH`> We're not installing any of the "social" stuff on WoWWiki (at this time at least), if that's what you're asking.
 * [14:00:28] <PanSola> for halopedia they are
 * [14:00:41] <PanSola> for all other wikis, I believe they'll be decoupled and get teh features without the skin
 * [14:00:44] <James-001> PanSola what was the reason behind this change? from the higher-ups?
 * [14:01:02] <DuTempete> well I can say for sure that WoW lends itself to issues like the ones that are being talked about right now. I certainly wouldn't support these social tools on wowwiki until more tweaking has been done.
 * [14:01:05] <PanSola> I believe (I may be completely wrong)
 * [14:01:05] <PanSola> that
 * [14:01:25] <PanSola> over a year ago, there was a survey out to wikia users (maybe "Wikicities" users, depending on how long ago it was)
 * [14:01:26] <DuTempete> and by WoW I mean also the wWarcraft universe
 * [14:01:40] <PanSola> asking how Wikia/Wikicities can help more
 * [14:01:59] <James-001> so they turned it into facebook?
 * [14:02:06] <PanSola> and one of the major thing that surfaced in the feedback was that ppl wanted help building a "community"
 * [14:02:22] <James-001> hmmm...
 * [14:02:50] <PanSola> and my conjecture (which can be totally wrong) is that this "Facebook" is Wikia's current approach of answering the need to help with "community" growth/development
 * [14:02:55] <Tesfan> I think IRC helped that a lot
 * [14:03:07] <PanSola> IRC already existed when the survey was done
 * [14:03:14] <James-001> see...there was already a community in halopedia, and when new users trickled in, they were welcomed and shown the ropes, and all was good in the world...now user flood and no one has that much time
 * [14:03:49] <PanSola> again, I am just trying to rationalize things from info I remember. I may be totally wrong about this
 * [14:04:25] <PanSola> but I remember many wiki users (most of them are admins) want Wikia to improve in helping them build/grow community
 * [14:04:29] <DuTempete> Does anyone know of a MediaWiki extension that performs an auto-welcome for new users?
 * [14:04:44] <James-001> now, just to push your rationalization a bit further, did halopedia or it's admins volunteer for this change, or were we the most popular, or just random pick?
 * [14:05:28] <PanSola> I think (I can be totally wrong) you guys were among the most popular, so your admins were approached and asked about it, and they said yes.
 * [14:05:53] <James-001> hmmm...
 * [14:06:04] <PanSola> and a long period of testing was done with you guys, before it was actually rolled out live
 * [14:06:05] * James-001 searches for a pike to...nvm...
 * [14:06:26] <James-001> yes, i am aware of the test wiki
 * [14:06:49] <PanSola> unfortunately, only so many things can be uncovered in a test environment
 * [14:07:02] <James-001> yes
 * [14:09:21] <James-001> so...any other concerns?
 * [14:09:59] <PanSola> k, thank you all for coming
 * [14:10:11] <PanSola> and please hang out in this channel as much as you can to help out other ppl
 * [14:10:21] <James-001> alrighty...
 * [14:10:27] <PanSola> (founders of new gaming wikis get referred here to ask questions)