Thread:Antvasima/@comment-37440817-20200409035101/@comment-37440817-20200410152917

PlozAlcachaz wrote: ZaStando27 wrote: I have a thread right here proving you did discuss this Imagine thing prior. So yes, you did lie in an attempt to make yourself look better. You weren't exactly smart in this situation to have contacted the same Admin for me to find this so easily. Also, do you expect me to really believe Imagine was just somebody who shared your views on everything. This isn't just about him defending you, even friends would do that, but he outright uses the same arguments and ideas you have for things such as 1-A Sonic.

"I’m not being dishonest about a Thing, I’m explaining information and covering what staff already know,"

Excuse me, what? Let me repeat what you just said in one of your earlier comments.

"The arguments surely have changed considering I never have argued on this before it’s my first time, have mercilessly debunked the notion Imagine is my sock and how an infinite waiting time is ludicrous for everything involved with me, yet shadow and blue are there?"

Nothing has changed. You're STILL arguing about Imagine with the same relative things, still trying to diss the people who got you banned in the first place, etc. You have argued all of these topics multiple times, yet you insist it's only your first? Ant stated on the thread he didn't exactly remember the situation and literally every other case of a staff member commenting is them wanting you banned too.

Since when did being the center of attention allow you to be an intolerant asshole? You aren't in the right with your jabs at people, there is no way you can realistically justify that.

"If the only argument against being left that is me asking for a try then that’s not solid judgement nor is that fair especially with the time gap with each one never mind that it’s recent. And The Wright Way and Agnaa is the Embodiment Of this."

>Subtle yet clear jab that Agnaa and The Wright Way have poor judgement

Yeah, okay buddy. Tell me when being assertive means that you to attack people for not sharing your viewpoint. Taking jabs at people literally shows you are being aggressive. You have though as well. Your aggression here shows you don't have the capacity to handle a discussion without getting personal. There's also the fact you've had numerous other accounts you've made that were banned. Shadow got banned for shit talking, which isn't really that bad considering what you have against you. Even then, at best, all you'd be doing is making a case for both of you to stay permanently banned. I'd say you've done worse though by ignore site rules and creating socks with blatant disregard. You knew you could comment here, yet you made a sock anyway. You are the assassin. Nothing I've argued is fallacious, everything you've said, however, can be chalked up to you either feigning ignorance and utilizing aggression.

I really didn’t discuss it, I just said that I wasn’t him, I went into detail on it just now. I forgot that they’ll likely bring up ImagineBreaker, when he was talking about being “me” it was referring to being a parody account on YouTube, it was not referring to actually being me on Fandom. Idk why you keep stitching things that doesn’t work, I’ve already dealt with that.

You bring up ImagineBreaker, when he was talking about being “me” it was referring to being a parody account on YouTube, it was not referring to actually being me on Fandom.

Let me give an Example, Someone on Twitter makes a user Called “Antvasima” they’ll say they are You, but say it’s a joke. Many instances like this occur in social media: https://twitter.com/lizukatakashi/status/1136713934805917696?s=21 this person posed as a parody of Lizuka and made that clear. Like? Idk https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHof5KvLcE7h1a5hFRQQAuw he was there in October 2016, he has had enough time to be a completely different person and/or entity he even has his own official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSU5scqaC0FNHGc-2MkSFpA which came 2 years beforehand.

That’s literally it. MyHero knew this this was before he joined fandom like weeks to months btw and This was around the time I wasn’t blocked on Vsbattles and to be more specific my first block ever on that semi-forum wiki, The likelihood of me being Imagine or him being during that timeframe is slim to none, and wouldn’t make any sense so it definitely wouldn’t make sense now. He agreeing with Tier 1 Sonic? Have you seen my discord and YouTube Channel man? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtvzExXKqo3gQ5vav9-tQOg People who’ve been on Vsbattles and other notions agree with my Scaling for 1-A for about as much that have High 1-A Abstracts for Marvel so it is by no means an outlier, no way hundreds of people are my alts lol. So many people who would defend me and defend Tier 1 Sonic in a heartbeat.,

Although I’m not sure why ImagineBreaker deleted their “evidence” on his wall in Community Central he likely didn’t want to be in the drama and didn’t care enough to explain it.

The “Evidence” aka The Parody message was months ago prior to when they suddenly decided to use it, could’ve pressed on it and yet they didn’t, why? Cuz they knew lmfao and they were already aware Imagine was not here, they just wanted to rat him out for exposing Shadow and VioletVoid, so they put it out of context like they did for me on discord trying to prove I’m some type of pedo.

Fact is people who know him like MyHero, and Medeus can differentiate between me and him.

You have to realize the Imagine doesn’t function like I do, he does his own things and wants a simple demeanor, he’s not for drama and that’s what they bring, so he likely thought “these ni**** are bugging dead*** 🅱️, I know I’m not ZaStando and I don’t have to prove that to nobody” which was likely his attitude when he was talking to Medeus on discord on defense and accusation. Btw Imagine made a comment on one of my YouTube Videos https://youtu.be/qJsQxCkffoQ

And like DatOneWeeb you’ll just make an assumption those are Mine or some garbage which I already discussed.

“Past accounts as evidence, and old accounts with the same name? that’s a claim you’d have to be proving that such belong to me, that’s a Hitchens Razor and a hasty generalization, the only times I’ve made “socks” was for clearing up things, I am sure the staff and even some of the groups in the wiki can vouch for that, And they all have a common branch, it’s either people posing as me or them doing stuff that would me into it, with your hasty logic, how do you know those frauds aren’t me? Tell me because these accusations and assumptions are fallacious with no proof. In fact you guys have a really bad track record of who I am and who is impersonating or who is causing drama relating to me, I’m not even physically in the wiki and somehow I’m still the drive for most of the stuff that goes on, The fiasco in RVT 97 is proof you guys have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to my identity and “socks of me” because the only socks you would know about is ones I would tell and make obvious which is all of them. Don’t pull that garbage. Me and Imagine being hosted enough with different personalities and perspectives says a lot, In fact Imagine wouldn’t be persisting this much.”

Firstly, Imagine is not me. There was a Screenshot taken way out of context where he was talking about being a parody account, because of the toxicity he’s deleted it from his wall. He didn’t go hard on proving it only because he didn’t care enough to try, There are many accounts accused of being me in streets simply for having a similar ideology or such. There’s many differences in behavior that can be observed, I literally could got give any time on most of the disorganized things that go on here and I definitely have the thought of 1-A Sonic which is literally the only reason most of you guys don’t want me here, you don’t see me doing any of the crap from 8 months, to 1 year and 3 months ago. I’m way more restrained than before, been doing constructive things and keeping things on a medium, I Literally want everything flat and straight forward.

On the topic of identity of alternative mannerisms I’ve been “ZaStando27ByThe11” and “ZaStandoBoi” there might have been one more but I don’t remember the name, these accounts were made for the purpose of explaining the situation and verifying who is who and who’s doing what, I really don’t want to break promises about mentioning the people who do want drama and no smoke but know this to be the case. Those accounts I mentioned are old though and were banned, I’ve literally been doing my own things since then. I’m overall fine with Medeus and have had cool and warm discussions on Discord.

And those fake accounts that are supposedly me are not me, are not me LoL 😂, I don’t care enough and definitely not malicious enough to fake being other users and cause chaos around the wiki like most would claim, Corgi, bandwagon haters and Chadnation members who were banned is likely making false accounts for sheep reasons, I cannot fathom how you could not see through such an obvious trap, I’ve been patient enough to ask for a trial, shorten of ban or even unban and I’ve either been getting slandered, Hit in the face by a door or just left on read (though exceptions are people who are busy I understand) each in the span of 2-3 weeks each time and did a whole month and a week this time. - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:4215480?useskin=oasis#499

Imagine and Me being the same person is an assumption, you could only have me and him in the same group if it’s an assumption, Different accounts from 2014, 2016 belonging to me with the history seems very unlikely and seems way too out of the box to be considered with no evidence regarding it.

I argued it once, not multiple, be quiet. There was Medeus asking us some questions and that’s about it. You don’t understand the situation or the details. The literal case for them not wanting me unbanned (the staff) is literally because I have asked for this request before, definitely not the same reason you guys are spouting which is nonsense.

I’m not being intolerable and stop talking to me with no manners, because you’re becoming very rude, I’ve not made a disrespectful consensus yet.

You brought up a thread with the same topic, yet there’s no same arguments, and I wasn’t arguing about Imagine, it’s already done. Stop acting you know about this, Antvasima has some memory issues but some things he’s sure about, are you shaming me for requesting things from Antvasima? Please don’t tell me that’s your best “argument” is it? as I have said, a person can ask things, I wouldn’t do so if Antvasima said that he couldn’t deal with it. All I see is ad Nausem and Hitchens Razor.

I didn’t say nor imply poor judgement stop being dishonest. I just basically said the reason isn’t good enough to take in.

I said it’s not solid nor is it fair, their case was literally just me asking more than once. I’m not taking jabs, I’m criticizing while refuting, you claim I’m attacking people when you’re trying to get at me in this very instance, refuting and being assertive is not being aggressive. What personal thing have I said? Numerous? Bruh I had made only “3” account in reference to Vsbattles and I’ve explained to everyone here the reasons why, an example is “ZaStando27ForThe3rdTime” clearing up people and exposing the fakes and phonies. Shadow was also banned for harassment and toxic behavior, the stuff I have at least can’t be linked to other sites and etc. The second time I had gotten banned was for a much smaller reason then my first, you could Medeus and such, it was a minor issue and I believe I’ve explained it more than once. I didn’t ignore site rules on that scale and I created socks for a purpose of clearing things up. When I ask to be unbanned of course is practical to talk to a admin/bureaucrat/mod on their wall, it’s just manners, stop strawmanning everyone knows the purpose was to clear way, Yes everything you’ve argued is fallacious from the lack of evidence to the circulatory dumpster fire and ad Hominem. Me debunking your flawed arguments is not aggressive, it’s straight 📠 period. The Facts do not care about your feelings.

So those arguments are already went in the dumpster fire so unless you have concrete evidence for any of what you are saying, stop.