Thread:Ursuul/@comment-6769189-20210115095346/@comment-28083312-20210115214444

Hey, I apologize for the long time in responding, but there has been quite a substantial amount of content to review. I appreciate your patience.

With regards to the initial post being taken down, my assessment of the policies on the local wiki seems to indicate a clear exception & allowance for Admins to remove posts, for things such as abuse, which necroposting might be considered. Further, their policy of allowing such conversation in other areas, e.g. Discussions, is not unreasonable if they simply want to quarantine such conversations in a place more public to all. I, myself, would allow talk pages to be more open were I the Admin, but they're not out of line to insist on conversations being placed in the right area.

What I do consider to be out of line is the aggressive edit summary responses & immediate sternness as a result of an outside user unfamiliar with the local policies coming in good faith to suggest improvements. Further, Yyp, another Admin, has in more than one place indicated that there was not any serious issue with your good faith attempt to address the article's current state & that you did not disparage the wiki in any fashion whatever.

A proper & welcoming response would be to politely inform you of the proper way to bring up your concern, & I am definitely not glad to see that you didn't receive such a response. However, I would not go so far as to characterize this conduct as abusive, & you were very clearly sarcastic in your initial post, but so too should Xilinoc have refrained from responding in kind, as SunXia & Timjer noted. Altogether, I can understand how your conduct up to this point could have irked the local moderation team, particularly the editing pages during an ongoing discussion which I will discuss later, & so I understand their defensiveness even if it cannot be justified.


 * Moving into the article talk page situation

I examined this talk page quite thoroughly & although I am entirely new to the series & had to look some things up, from my understanding of the conversation it did not seem eminently obvious that there was agreement regarding Kugo, given SunXia's rather forceful disagreement on the subject. Further, it is a very old & well understood practice on wikis that you do not implement contested changes until consensus (which is not always a simple majority; it is more of a collaborative than democratic process) is thoroughly established. That practice is not necessarily a hard-&-fast rule as you mention, but I would expect any Admin to view its violation as a show of bad faith.

While I understand you had no ill intent & I am sympathetic to your confusion at Yyp & Xilinoc making changes during this period, they are Admins & much more in tune with the local wiki, & should be deferred to. Be Bold at first, of course, but while something is in obvious contention the right thing for a veteran to do would be to ask before editing, or at least wait a reasonable period of time after the convo ends for many people to weigh in just in case the simple majority changes. I myself would have reverted your edit & locked the page just the same, had it happened on old Dragon Age Wiki, albeit without the exasperated edit summaries.

I must say I am thoroughly confused about why your last message would be considered Admin impersonation. I could see it being labeled lawyering, impolite, or at a very great stretch mini-modding perhaps, but not Admin impersonation. I am uncertain why it was removed & Xilinoc's rapidly diminishing patience with you does not seem at all warranted, nor the rather abrupt-seeming closure of the conversation.


 * Remedies

All told, this was a very messy situation that, ultimately, came about & continued to fester because seemingly everyone (excepting Yyp & SunXia) failed to keep the assumption of good faith central in their approaches to these conversations. It seems meet to me that a "do-over" of your introductions is in order, for you to apologize for edit warring (intentions irrespective) and for Xilinoc to apologize to you for mischaracterizing you as a bad faith actor (in particular his exasperated edit summaries) rather than being more patient with newcomers. Xilinoc, being a Councilor & an Admin, is held to a higher standard & so I will be having a chat with him regardless, but if all parties including yourself come to the table & let the hard feelings slide then I think that will do wonders for you guys working together in the future. You may even come to greatly respect & value each others' contributions &, after some trust has been established, you can revisit your initial suggestion & come to some sort of respectful agreement.

Does that sound like a fair assessment & a reasonable request to make of yourself?