Forum:November 4th IRC meeting transcript

The following is a semi-sanitized version of the IRC chat transcript. All times listed are based in PDT (California etc). A summary is available at Forum:November 4th IRC meeting summary.


 * [12:02:08]  How many wikis are represented here?
 * [12:02:13] * PanSola is from GuildWiki
 * [12:02:16]  I'm with SWGames...
 * [12:02:19] * Sgt_Johnson is from Halopedia
 * [12:02:24]  GPT, Simonrjh, Sgt_Johnson, and ChurchReborn are all from Halopedia
 * [12:02:26]  and I'm not much of a representator
 * [12:02:27]  PanSola: 3000+ - I'm a janitor :P
 * [12:02:30] 
 * [12:02:38]  GPT is also from Pfhorpedia, and edits a few others as well, but is mainly from the aforementioned two.
 * [12:02:40]  janitors don't represent!!!
 * [12:02:44]  aww :(
 * [12:02:50]  I'm from RSwiki
 * [12:02:57]  (okay, 'twas rather bad pun :-P)
 * [12:03:00]  Jack_Phoenix, bad pun *and* bad syntax. you meant to use
 * [12:03:06] * Joins: Dantman
 * [12:03:07] * Sgt_Johnson is from Pforpedia
 * [12:03:08]  rar Danty
 * [12:03:09] eq2
 * [12:03:11]  umm, no GPT
 * [12:03:17]  = closed tag
 * [12:03:22] * Joins: Jedimca0|Busy
 * [12:03:30] and lon kinda
 * [12:03:33]  Jedimca0 is technically from SWGames
 * [12:03:33] <Jack_Phoenix> but in order to use, you'd have to specify the opening tag :-P
 * [12:03:42] <Extramrdo> (and a lot more representative than me)
 * [12:03:43] <GPT> no...
 * [12:03:50] <GPT> != closed tag
 * [12:03:54] <Extramrdo> No more
 * [12:03:58] <PanSola> Simonrjh you are from Assassin's Creed?
 * [12:04:00] <Extramrdo> !delete
 * [12:04:33] <Sgt_Johnson> raise your hand if you aren't here
 * [12:04:35] <GPT> = tag without opening or closing, just a one time tag. needs an opening, but people often omit the open before making a bad pun, and only afterwards do they close it, and you simply assume the open tag earlier.
 * [12:04:42] <Sgt_Johnson> ...
 * [12:04:42] <Dantman> Only and are valid in xml.
 * [12:04:46] <ChurchReborn> ...
 * [12:04:50] <Dantman> is a self closed tag
 * [12:04:50] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:04:54] <GPT> yeah, what Dantman said.
 * [12:04:57] <Sgt_Johnson> did we come here to talk about gaming or coding?
 * [12:05:01] <GPT> bolth.
 * [12:05:03] <Dantman> Which is basically what Jack said
 * [12:05:04] <ChurchReborn> This is for gaming wikia discussion. not !!!
 * [12:05:07] <PanSola> gaming, primarily
 * [12:05:10] <Sgt_Johnson> bolth
 * [12:05:16] <Sgt_Johnson> lol
 * [12:05:18] <Jack_Phoenix> Dantman: thanks for the clarifications :)
 * [12:05:20] <GPT> Dantman: no, what I said. Jack made a typo, and I rode his arse ovar it. ^_^
 * [12:05:31] * PanSola slaps GPT and Dantman
 * [12:05:37] <Extramrdo> ANYHOW
 * [12:05:40] <Extramrdo>
 * [12:05:50] <PanSola> who hasn't self-introduced yet?
 * [12:06:08] <Sgt_Johnson> I am from Halopedia (mainly) and Pforpedia
 * [12:06:12] <Extramrdo> Extramrdo, is from SWGames. "All who see my rose, meet death."
 * [12:06:32] * ChurchReborn is Halopedian.
 * [12:06:37] <Simonrjh> PanSola: i'm not from Assassin's Creed
 * [12:06:45] <PanSola> ooh
 * [12:06:54] <PanSola> you don't edit there at all?
 * [12:06:58] <Simonrjh> nope
 * [12:07:04] <Simonrjh> i might
 * [12:07:07] <GPT> Sgt_Johnson: stop spelling it wrong! it's Pfhorpedia, not Pforpedia.
 * [12:07:22] <Sgt_Johnson> sry
 * [12:07:25] <Sgt_Johnson> GPT: sry
 * [12:07:25] <Extramrdo> Akem.
 * [12:07:34] <Simonrjh> Pfhor = Marathon?
 * [12:07:38] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:07:39] <ChurchReborn> Yes.
 * [12:07:42] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:07:42] <GPT> no.
 * [12:07:44] <PanSola> anyone from Age of Conan here?
 * [12:07:47] <Sgt_Johnson> ...
 * [12:07:48] <Extramrdo> No.
 * [12:07:51] <Simonrjh> thought i'd heard the name on halopedia somewhere.
 * [12:08:01] <GPT> you probably did.
 * [12:08:18] <Extramrdo> Good, good.
 * [12:08:27] <GPT> the Pfhor are a race of aliens that you fight in Marathon. the Pfhor aren't the Marathon (ship) or Marathon (the game), though.
 * [12:08:31] <Extramrdo> Introductions aside, what is first on the adgenda?
 * [12:08:36] <PanSola> first
 * [12:08:41] <PanSola> well, Featured gaming wikia
 * [12:08:49] <PanSola> Featured gaming wikia
 * [12:08:50] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_gaming_wikia
 * [12:09:01] <PanSola> Age of Conan is gonna get featured for two weeks,
 * [12:09:14] <PanSola> then someone else will rotate up and replace it
 * [12:09:14] <Extramrdo> :-0
 * [12:09:19] <PanSola> just remind people to vote
 * [12:09:19] <Extramrdo> Good, good.
 * [12:09:22] <PanSola> to nominate
 * [12:09:28] <PanSola> AND get your community to vote
 * [12:09:42] <PanSola> (each gaming-wiki has one (1) community vote)
 * [12:09:57] <PanSola> in addition to each user's votes
 * [12:10:19] <Extramrdo> and does the community vote have any extra weight to it, over the users' votes?
 * [12:10:28] <PanSola> same weight as a user's vote
 * [12:10:45] <PanSola> but considering how many peole are voting so far, a community's vote can still tip the balance
 * [12:11:00] <PanSola> Pfhorpedia was just behind AoC by one single vote
 * [12:11:25] * Joins: Dtm|Yes
 * [12:11:30] * Quits: GPT
 * [12:11:33] <Dtm|Yes> Hi all.
 * [12:11:34] * Joins: JWR|Privateer
 * [12:11:40] * Dtm|Yes is now known as Dtm142
 * [12:11:41] <PanSola> so yeah, remmeber to vote for featured, and get your community to vote for featured
 * [12:11:48] <PanSola> greetings JWR and Dtm
 * [12:11:51] <JWR|Privateer> Ah, finally I can see most of the people that were gone.
 * [12:11:54] <Dtm142> Greetings.
 * [12:11:59] <ChurchReborn> Hi.
 * [12:12:00] <Sgt_Johnson> hello
 * [12:12:02] <Extramrdo> I do not agree that community votes should be the same weight as a user vote.
 * [12:12:02] <JWR|Privateer> Hello.
 * [12:12:15] <Dtm142> ?
 * [12:12:16] * Joins: GPT
 * [12:12:20] <ChurchReborn> Hi.
 * [12:12:20] <PanSola> Extramrdo: how do you propose the system should work then?
 * [12:12:22] <JWR|Privateer> Hello GPT.
 * [12:12:34] <GPT> rar
 * [12:13:05] <Extramrdo> I believe that the community votes, having been voted upon inside the community, should have a population-based weight system
 * [12:13:32] <Extramrdo> At the final call for votes, the number of active people in each community would be tabulated, and weight assigned based on that.
 * [12:13:47] <PanSola> So if three people on WoW wiki supports A
 * [12:13:49] <PanSola> 2 supports B
 * [12:13:51] <Extramrdo> Not enough to overthrow the individuals rights, but enough that a community is larger than 1 individual.
 * [12:14:04] <Dtm142> ssb.wikia.com
 * [12:14:04] <PanSola> then the WoW wiki with 100 active users put in 100 votes for wiki A?
 * [12:14:13] <Dtm142> Me, Richard, Alexir55...
 * [12:14:37] <Extramrdo> Alright, there *is* that flaw, and all.
 * [12:14:49] <PanSola> Extramrdo: we'll discuss the balance of vote powers at tehe nd of the meeting if you are still interested
 * [12:14:56] <Extramrdo> Perhaps based on the number of people who actively voted?
 * [12:15:04] <Extramrdo> Yeah, it sounded like a dumb idea as I was typing it.
 * [12:15:32] <PanSola> anyways, next point
 * [12:15:37] <Extramrdo> I just don't like the idea that the WoW wiki, with it's billions of users, could be cancelled out by some punk in New Jersy.
 * [12:15:50] <PanSola> I'm gonna shift some space on the Gameing hub to fit the featured gaming wikia in
 * [12:15:52] <PanSola> Gaming
 * [12:15:53] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Gaming
 * [12:16:09] <PanSola> but I'm also working on a new design of the hub
 * [12:16:13] * Extramrdo would like to learn to control newsbot.
 * [12:16:17] <PanSola> w:gaming:Hub
 * [12:16:18] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/w:gaming:Hub
 * [12:16:24] <Extramrdo> Good.
 * [12:16:28] <PanSola> still in progress
 * [12:16:29] <PanSola> oops
 * [12:16:34] <Extramrdo> Progress is progress.
 * [12:16:39] <Dtm142> cs info #wikia-gaming
 * [12:16:47] <PanSola> c:Gaming:Hub
 * [12:16:48] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:Gaming:Hub
 * [12:16:53] <PanSola> that's the new design in progress
 * [12:17:00] <PanSola> except when it's done it'll probalby on Central
 * [12:17:05] <Sgt_Johnson> about the community, in halopedia, there was a major rebellion last month
 * [12:17:10] <Extramrdo> Impressive.
 * [12:17:14] <Dtm142> I wonder why?
 * [12:17:16] <Extramrdo> Major rebellion, eh?
 * [12:17:19] <PanSola> Sgt_Johnson: what kind?
 * [12:17:19] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:17:20] <ChurchReborn> Yes.
 * [12:17:26] <Dtm142> *Cough*
 * [12:17:31] <Sgt_Johnson> In response to this rebellion, we created the UPHPRD
 * [12:17:33] <ChurchReborn> The community hated what the admins were doing.
 * [12:17:35] <Jedimca0|Busy> a rebellion? O_O
 * [12:17:42] <Extramrdo> Oh yeah... I remember this story.
 * [12:17:47] <Sgt_Johnson> but many of the administrators are against it
 * [12:17:55] <PanSola> um
 * [12:18:00] <Dtm142> Good for them.
 * [12:18:03] <Extramrdo> so it's a fight between the admins and the UPHPRD
 * [12:18:03] <JWR|Privateer> I do believe DC and ED aren't.
 * [12:18:05] <PanSola> so the admins themselves didn't agree right?
 * [12:18:06] <Dtm142> (the community)
 * [12:18:16] <PanSola> acronynms make no sense
 * [12:18:29] <Sgt_Johnson> Users Promoting Halopedia Policy Review Discussion
 * [12:18:39] <PanSola> the admins should remember that the wiki belongs to the community as a whole
 * [12:18:48] <ChurchReborn> http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halopedia:UPHPRD/Elections/First_Term
 * [12:18:50] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:18:55] * Dtm142 nods in agreement
 * [12:18:59] <JWR|Privateer> We have one of our admins here, actually.
 * [12:19:00] <Extramrdo> I agree fullheartedly with this motion.
 * [12:19:10] <Sgt_Johnson> In the fact that the UPHPRD was met with such critisism from the administrators, it was delayed
 * [12:19:10] <Extramrdo> Lets give a warm welcome to CR!!!
 * [12:19:16] <ChurchReborn> ...
 * [12:19:24] <Sgt_Johnson> and we feel that another rebellion may arise in the coming weeks
 * [12:19:32] <Dtm142> http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/RS:AEAE
 * [12:19:37] <Dtm142> Read and impliment.
 * [12:19:43] <Dtm142> Who can really blame them?
 * [12:19:44] <Extramrdo> Impressive, impressive.
 * [12:19:55] <JWR|Privateer> While, I have alerted at least one of the admins, I do not feel he is capable of stopping it.
 * [12:19:57] <Extramrdo> Not as impressive as halopedia. But impressive.
 * [12:19:58] whoa, i have 1000 points! (has no idea what that means)
 * [12:20:01] <Sgt_Johnson> that is exactly what I have been saying
 * [12:20:15] <Sgt_Johnson> many of the administrators though, do not feel that way
 * [12:20:19] <ChurchReborn> Which admin, JWR?
 * [12:20:20] * Extramrdo votes to evict uberfuzzy.
 * [12:20:27] <PanSola> what'd the definition of a "rebellion" anyways?
 * [12:20:33] <PanSola> just disagreements between users and admins?
 * [12:20:40] <Dtm142> Yup.
 * [12:20:42] <JWR|Privateer> GI alerted RR....
 * [12:20:45] <JWR|Privateer> *I
 * [12:20:47] <Dtm142> Destruction of fascism.
 * [12:20:48] <Extramrdo> Admins overthrowing user rights, etc... users flaming, etc...
 * [12:20:49] <Sgt_Johnson> in this case, this rebellion was very large
 * [12:20:50] <ChurchReborn> ...It got big enough that about 5 users left.
 * [12:20:54] <ChurchReborn> ...It got big enough that about 5 users left.
 * [12:20:55] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:20:58] <Extramrdo> And they will never return.
 * [12:21:09] <Sgt_Johnson> and those five users were actually some of the top contributors
 * [12:21:16] <Extramrdo> And now they're gone.
 * [12:21:19] <JWR|Privateer> And, two I stopped from leaving, but I couldn't stop the others.
 * [12:21:20] <PanSola> so basically, wikidrama between users and admins are called "Rebellions"
 * [12:21:25] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:21:29] <ChurchReborn> Yes.
 * [12:21:36] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:21:39] <PanSola> I think this overdramatizing has a net negative impact on the community
 * [12:21:42] <JWR|Privateer> First and only one in wikia history......
 * [12:21:45] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:21:50] <Sgt_Johnson> it does. A very negative impact
 * [12:21:53] <Dtm142> Where can I find this rebellion?
 * [12:22:01] <Extramrdo> It's dead, now, thankfully.
 * [12:22:01] <Sgt_Johnson> it has distanced the Community from the admin very much
 * [12:22:08] <PanSola> I'm not even sure if it's a "rebellion" because admins are considered to have betrayed the community, or because the community isn't following the ruling of hte admins
 * [12:22:15] <Extramrdo> Yet the seeds of tyrrany still bleed in the minds of the unruly.
 * [12:22:17] <PanSola> so I'd suggest you guys STOP calling it a rebellion
 * [12:22:17] * ChurchReborn will get a few links.
 * [12:22:20] <Sgt_Johnson> its both really
 * [12:22:20] <Dtm142> The first one.
 * [12:22:25] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:22:34] <Extramrdo> It's called a rebellion because it sounds cool. Like how people use PWN.
 * [12:22:39] <PanSola> calling it a rebelling just makes everything worse
 * [12:22:50] <PanSola> in terms of the health of the community
 * [12:22:53] <JWR|Privateer> Eh, even the admins refer to it as a rebellion.
 * [12:22:53] <Sgt_Johnson> I see PanSola
 * [12:23:04] <Extramrdo> Well, there you go.
 * [12:23:12] <PanSola> it diminishes the room/mood for negeociations and discussions
 * [12:23:12] <ChurchReborn> It was bigger a while back.
 * [12:23:15] <Extramrdo> Epidemic causes a greater panic than outbreak.
 * [12:23:19] <PanSola> and encourages confrontation and stubbornness
 * [12:23:22] <Sgt_Johnson> Ah
 * [12:23:28] <PanSola> ppl take PRIDE in being in a rebellion
 * [12:23:36] <PanSola> makes it harder to resolve things
 * [12:23:40] <PanSola> they want to be rebellious
 * [12:23:43] <Sgt_Johnson> Actually, I was in the one in question
 * [12:23:46] <ChurchReborn> http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halopedia:UPHPRD/Elections/First_Term
 * [12:23:52] <ChurchReborn> That's why we made that. ^
 * [12:23:54] <JWR|Privateer> As was CR.
 * [12:23:55] <Sgt_Johnson> And it got so bad, I decided to try and prevent them
 * [12:24:07] <Extramrdo> ~
 * [12:24:07] <ChurchReborn> A lot of people tried.
 * [12:24:12] <JWR|Privateer> I had to stop the two from leaving Halopedia.
 * [12:24:18] <Sgt_Johnson> But, the Administrators feel that the UPHPRD is useless as the fact that users can come and talk to them personally
 * [12:24:20] <Extramrdo> And he succeeded.
 * [12:24:22] <JWR|Privateer> Thankfully, I did.
 * [12:24:25] <Dtm142> Abolish the cabal.
 * [12:24:25] <ChurchReborn> And a few other users just want to fuel thte flame.
 * [12:24:33] <ChurchReborn> *the
 * [12:24:33] <GPT> Dtm142: abolish? why?
 * [12:24:33] i always get a chuckle from the "drama" between the 2 user groups on halopedia, the unsc human and the alien one
 * [12:24:38] <Extramrdo> Yes, they can speak personally, but as a group, they have a larger backing.
 * [12:24:40] <Dtm142> Allow anyone to participate in policy discussions.
 * [12:24:42] <Sgt_Johnson> but as I have seen, many of the Administrators don't have the "time" to here about our concerns
 * [12:24:47] with all the ranks and voting and drama
 * [12:24:48] <Sgt_Johnson> *hear
 * [12:24:50] <GPT> we *do* allow anyone to participate in policy discussions.
 * [12:25:09] <Extramrdo> You'd listen to an angry mob more than a pissed vegitarian (no offense).
 * [12:25:17] <Sgt_Johnson> Those policy discusssions take place in "secret" emails between the members of the Cabal
 * [12:25:27] <JWR|Privateer> Yes, I was talking to RR, and I was blown off TWICE trying to do the conversation.
 * [12:25:38] <PanSola> Extramrdo: you'd also more likely to shoot an angry mob more than a pissed vegitarian
 * [12:25:56] <GPT> Sgt_Johnson: they aren't secret. if we abolished the Cabal, though, we'd all be changing policy all over the place, and everything would be in chaos. are you saying that would be better?
 * [12:25:57] <Sgt_Johnson> and as a recent incident has shown, the community isn't allowed to be a part of those Emails
 * [12:26:04] <Extramrdo> Good point.
 * [12:26:05] <Sgt_Johnson> I don't suggest abolishing the cabal
 * [12:26:15] <JWR|Privateer> Oh, and they REFUSE to let us see said emails, referring to them as "confidential."
 * [12:26:15] <Sgt_Johnson> The cabal does a lot of good for halopedia
 * [12:26:20] <PanSola> have the Wikia community been aware of the incident?
 * [12:26:28] <JWR|Privateer> Yes.
 * [12:26:29] <Dtm142> Lol
 * [12:26:33] <JWR|Privateer> Or, I think...
 * [12:26:34] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:26:37] <PanSola> ok
 * [12:26:39] <Sgt_Johnson> but, they aren't very good on community dynamics
 * [12:26:41] <Extramrdo> Maybe.
 * [12:26:49] <Extramrdo> I believe Johnson is right.
 * [12:26:50] <JWR|Privateer> Wikia always sides with the admins, unfournately.
 * [12:26:51] * Joins: CR|Java
 * [12:26:54] <PanSola> then I think we'll leave the Halo-Drama at "Don't call it a Rebellion, it makes things worse
 * [12:26:57] <Extramrdo> The time for action is upon us.
 * [12:27:01] <Sgt_Johnson> brb
 * [12:27:01] <PanSola> and move on to the next discussion
 * [12:27:08] <Extramrdo> DCIRIMTW
 * [12:27:13] * Quits: ChurchReborn
 * [12:27:20] <Extramrdo> INRIAFD
 * [12:27:30] <Extramrdo> It's not a rebellion, it's a forceful discussion.
 * [12:27:31] <Sgt_Johnson> i'm back
 * [12:27:41] <PanSola> so, back tot eh subject of the hub redesigning
 * [12:27:41] <Dtm142> And you've been brainwashed by the cabal.
 * [12:27:46] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:27:47] <Extramrdo> Yes.
 * [12:27:53] * CR|Java is now known as ChurchReborn
 * [12:27:53] <Extramrdo> Redesign the hub.
 * [12:27:56] <PanSola> there's gonna be a space for users to write stuff
 * [12:27:59] * Quits: [NewsBot]
 * [12:28:07] <Extramrdo> Always good.
 * [12:28:07] <PanSola> about what's going on with tehir wikis
 * [12:28:11] * Joins: [NewsBot]
 * [12:28:12] <Extramrdo> User feedback is impressive.
 * [12:28:12] <PanSola> or about their wiki experience
 * [12:28:16] <PanSola> etc
 * [12:28:36] <PanSola> right now, at the demo I have in http://gaming.wikia.com/index.php?title=Hub
 * [12:28:42] <PanSola> there are two separate sections
 * [12:28:46] <PanSola> "News" vs "User articles"
 * [12:29:04] <PanSola> I have a self-debate on whether there's a point in separating the types or articles
 * [12:29:06] <Extramrdo> I like.
 * [12:29:09] <PanSola> or just lump them into one single group
 * [12:29:15] <Extramrdo> Yes, there IS a point.
 * [12:29:33] <Extramrdo> You don't want some n00blet assuming the user articles are canon
 * [12:29:41] <PanSola> (note that when it's actually implemented, the User Articles should have less random stuff, and more wiki-oriented)
 * [12:30:18] <PanSola> well, even the "news" might not have official stuff
 * [12:31:13] <Extramrdo> But news is still more canonical
 * [12:31:17] <PanSola> hmm
 * [12:31:52] <PanSola> anyone else have a thought or cares?
 * [12:32:22] <ChurchReborn> Sorry, I was away. What's the subject?
 * [12:32:55] <PanSola> on the redign of the hub
 * [12:33:01] <PanSola> c:Gaming:Hub
 * [12:33:02] <[NewsBot]> PanSola meant: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:Gaming:Hub
 * [12:33:07] <PanSola> there are two sectinos of articles
 * [12:33:21] <PanSola> should there just be one general section for articles
 * [12:33:24] <PanSola> or separate
 * [12:33:52] <PanSola> sometimes the line gets very blurry
 * [12:34:09] <Extramrdo> like ``
 * [12:34:15] <Extramrdo> `''
 * [12:35:29] <Extramrdo> Irrelevance aside, it is a good idea, no?
 * [12:35:33] <PanSola> some user writes an article talking about the leastest Guild Wars expansion, AS WELL AS his opinions of it
 * [12:35:48] <PanSola> it's not just a review
 * [12:35:54] <PanSola> nor is it simply news
 * [12:36:58] * ChurchReborn slaps Dial Up.
 * [12:37:17] <Extramrdo> aha.
 * [12:37:22] <Extramrdo> it's a review.
 * [12:37:44] <PanSola> a reveiw that also informs people of soemthing new?
 * [12:37:55] <PanSola> so what if no one ends up writng "News" articles?
 * [12:38:08] <PanSola> we'll get some news from 5 months ago still being at the top
 * [12:38:08] <Extramrdo> ok...
 * [12:38:26] <Extramrdo> The news broadcast is "News" with a link to the review.
 * [12:39:01] <Tesfan> Anyone know when the code problems on Php forms (http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/, http://halo.wikia.com/forum/ ) will be fixed?
 * [12:39:07] <PanSola> well I'm hestitant to put too much restruction on *how* the users should write an article
 * [12:39:12] <Tesfan> *Sorry for interupting, btw
 * [12:39:20] <PanSola> the mroe restrictions or rules they need to follow, the more they might feel not writing
 * [12:39:22] * JWR|Privateer is 12 days away from being 12
 * [12:39:22] <Sgt_Johnson> i like the redesign idea
 * [12:39:34] <Jack_Phoenix> Tesfan: php debug thing at the top of the page?
 * [12:39:40] <PanSola> Tesfan: no clue. None of the staff are here
 * [12:39:59] <Tesfan> Jack:mhm
 * [12:40:11] <Tesfan> It seems one of our users can't post because of it
 * [12:40:15] <Jack_Phoenix> I'll try to poke Catherine / sannse / TOR when I see them...
 * [12:40:18] <Jack_Phoenix> it's annoying...
 * [12:40:27] <Tesfan> Thanks =)
 * [12:41:06] * ChurchReborn is 3 months away from being 13.......Meh.
 * [12:41:17] <Extramrdo> So, it's simple. They have the news at the top, then have the review at the bottom
 * [12:41:28] <Extramrdo> there's a link under the review part, that links to the bottom half, or whatnot.
 * [12:41:41] * PanSola is already lost
 * [12:41:53] * Sgt_Johnson is lost
 * [12:42:00] <PanSola> so is that one article gonna get appear in both sections on the hub?
 * [12:42:27] <PanSola> or are you saying we will for the user to split it into two articles?
 * [12:42:32] <PanSola> *force*
 * [12:42:57] <Extramrdo> What if there's a headline under news
 * [12:43:05] <Extramrdo> the review goes under the review
 * [12:43:14] <Extramrdo> and all reviews for the news get a link for it
 * [12:43:26] <Extramrdo> if there's any strict news, it goes on the headline article.
 * [12:43:44] * Parts: Dtm142
 * [12:44:01] <PanSola> I'm arleady not following, and I fear what it means if we require general users to follow it...
 * [12:44:41] * Sgt_Johnson is lost
 * [12:44:59] <PanSola> ok we'll put this question on hold
 * [12:45:04] <PanSola> and revisit it later
 * [12:45:10] * ChurchReborn got lost years ago.
 * [12:45:19] <Sgt_Johnson> so...
 * [12:45:22] <Sgt_Johnson> new topic?
 * [12:45:24] <PanSola> yeah
 * [12:45:32] * Quits: [NewsBot]
 * [12:45:44] * Joins: [NewsBot]
 * [12:45:47] <PanSola> support for newly-founded wikis
 * [12:45:48] <Extramrdo> ok ok
 * [12:46:00] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:46:31] <PanSola> a good majority of the new wikis either face the founder never start editing it, or gave up very soon
 * [12:46:42] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:46:42] <PanSola> can we as a community help founders out?
 * [12:46:53] <Sgt_Johnson> Phforpedia...
 * [12:46:55] <Sgt_Johnson> yes
 * [12:47:07] <PanSola> how?
 * [12:47:39] <Sgt_Johnson> isn't there a rule against advertising a wikia on another wikia?
 * [12:47:44] <Sgt_Johnson> unless it is a sister site?
 * [12:47:49] <PanSola> um
 * [12:47:52] <PanSola> never heard of it
 * [12:47:54] <Dantman> unwritten...
 * [12:48:04] <Dantman> Consider it AdSpam
 * [12:48:06] <PanSola> I never even know of it as a unwritten rule
 * [12:48:10] <Sgt_Johnson> ah
 * [12:48:11] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:48:29] <PanSola> probalby depending on context
 * [12:48:32] <Sgt_Johnson> ah
 * [12:48:46] <GPT> what about the Wikia-gaming template on a bunch of wikia's main pages? that advertises for other Gaming Wikia, so would that be acceptable?
 * [12:48:46] <PanSola> and where you are doing it
 * [12:48:56] <Sgt_Johnson> no
 * [12:49:05] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:49:06] <PanSola> GPT: I think that one is good
 * [12:49:09] * Sgt_Johnson got it cleared up
 * [12:49:27] <PanSola> but it's also up to the community if they want to remove it
 * [12:49:31] <PanSola> or change thel inks on it
 * [12:49:34] <Sgt_Johnson> ah
 * [12:50:05] <Sgt_Johnson> so it would be considered adspam if i put phforpedia on my halopedia userpage? or not?
 * [12:50:14] <PanSola> probalby not
 * [12:50:27] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:51:04] <PanSola> but I'm also wondering if threre are more direct actions we can take
 * [12:51:06] <Sgt_Johnson> but if i started going around to users going: "HELP EDIT PFHORPEDIA!" it would be. right?
 * [12:51:17] <PanSola> probably
 * [12:51:19] <ChurchReborn> Probably.
 * [12:51:25] <Sgt_Johnson> ok
 * [12:51:26] <Sgt_Johnson> got it
 * [12:51:55] <PanSola> but if your wiki has a sub-forum for totally off topic random discussions
 * [12:51:59] <PanSola> then you can probalby do it there
 * [12:52:06] <Sgt_Johnson> it does!
 * [12:52:09] <PanSola> hhehe
 * [12:52:23] <Sgt_Johnson> hehehehe *nudge* nudge* wink wink
 * [12:52:29] <Extramrdo> lol
 * [12:53:09] * Sgt_Johnson is now known as SJ|EATING
 * [12:53:14] <PanSola> the thing is though
 * [12:53:40] <PanSola> this only hleps new wiksi that *you* are personally interested in, and in the passive way such that other people you run into are also interested in the subject
 * [12:53:51] <PanSola> that's a double-layered IFs to help newly created wikis
 * [12:54:09] <PanSola> and 90% of the newly created gaming wikis probalby won't see any benefit from that
 * [12:54:50] <PanSola> so are there anything else we can do to help, more directly that most newly gaming wikis (even obscure ones) might benefit
 * [12:56:56] * PanSola sighs
 * [12:56:58] <PanSola> oh well
 * [12:57:27] <PanSola> anyone has any other topic they want to bring up?
 * [12:57:56] <GPT> mah sexehness, mb?
 * [12:58:05] <PanSola> huh?
 * [12:58:18] <GPT> =P
 * [12:59:00] <JWR|Privateer> How about the fact GPT guesses 11 year olds to be 15?
 * [12:59:20] <Simonrjh> and someone thinks I'm 12
 * [12:59:24] <PanSola> considering both 11 and 15 are underage, I don't see waht's the significance
 * [12:59:27] <Simonrjh> cant remember who
 * [12:59:41] <Jack_Phoenix> and how is this relevant to #wikia-gaming, may I ask? ;-)
 * [13:00:08] <JWR|Privateer> Uh, GPT plays games?
 * [13:00:11] <PanSola> ok, anyone (Extramrdo) want to revisit the issues of communitey vote weight for Featured Gaming
 * [13:00:11] <JWR|Privateer> XD
 * [13:00:22] <PanSola> or any other topics?
 * [13:00:25] i agree
 * [13:01:40] <PanSola> ok guys, thanks for showing up. Remember to nominate and vote for featured gamign wikis, and get your communities to vote!
 * [13:02:09] <PanSola> (and if you can, just hang out here whenever you can. new founders sometimes hop on here to look for help)

-PanSola 17:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)