Thread:Ahomeschoolingroudon/@comment-4109352-20160825175313/@comment-25656629-20160827183122

To start off this blog, we must first define the terms that we are using.

Dimension/Realm: a set, system, or structure of spacetime that may or may not contain forms of mass-energy, contains laws and constants of physics that govern said mass-energy, and has less size than a universe.

Mathematical Dimension: an axis of spacetime upon which objects can exist.

Plane of Existence/Layer of Existence/Level of Existence: an "axis" or stable and/or subtle state of existence that is governed by a separate reality or actuality.

Universe: a set, system, or structure of spacetime that contains forms of mass-energy and the laws and constants of physics that govern that mass-energy. A universe must have a diameter at least 8.8E26 meters, have a surface area of at least 2.432E54 m^2, a volume of at least 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy of 2.68E71 joules to be considered such.

Timeline: a set, system, or structure of the series of all events contained within the normal passage or flow of a frame of reference within a given mathematical dimension.

Spacetime Continuum: a manifold consisting of fundamental interactions that are ordered by a frame of reference which are described by a coordinate system within an extent in which objects have relative position and direction.

Reality/Actuality: a set, system, or structure of a state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.

Multiverse: a set, system, or structure that contains finite to infinite universes.

Megaverse: a set, system, or structure that contains finite to infinite multiverses (note that at least one of the multiverses has to be an infinite Level IV multiverse for a megaverse to qualify as one).

Omniverse: the totality of a Verse or Series Franchise, a set, system, or structure of every dimension, realm, universe, multiverse, megaverse, plane of existence, timeline, spacetime continuum, continuity, actuality, and reality within a fictional setting.

Continuity: a set, system, or structure within a significant portion of an Omniverse where one or more possible universes are self-contained.

Now on to the rest...

Note: these standard assumptions are not set in stone, and are subject to change with time.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Dimensions

1. Like always, as there is no standard size for a dimension in fiction, evidence must be presented for the size of a dimension before the creation/manipulation/destruction of said dimension becomes a usable feat.

2. If there is evidence or proof that a dimension has a diameter at least 8.8E26 meters in size, have a surface area of 2.432E54 m^2, a volume of 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy of 2.66E71 joules, it will be assumed to be an infinite universe.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Mathematical Dimensions

1. The Outskirts Battledome does not rank power based on mathematical dimensions, for the simple reason being that mathematical dimensions are too inconsistent in fiction.

TTGL (from the OBD) - "It depends on the type of dimensions - higher levels of existence can range from entire infinite universes being less than an atom in a higher dimensions (and said system continuing on forever) to just people with strange angles. Then there's stuff like higher realms being more real than lower realms. Basically, dimensions should be tackled per individual series, not bulked together in an all-encompassing power levels system, as dimensions vary greatly from work to work, and we don't even know if higher dimensions exist."

Endless Mike (from the OBD) - "Let me also post another rant against the retarded concept of 'dimension tiering'.

'Dimensions' in fiction can mean many different things. Just because someone or something moves through/exists in/protects from something that is n-dimensional doesn't mean anything unless you are comparing it directly to something that actually makes sense to compare it to.

For example, if a shield can defend against attacks from 5 dimensions, and a weapon can attack in 6 dimensions, then (assuming the concept of 'dimension' is at least somewhat comparable across the two settings), it can likely be inferred that the weapon can overcome the shield, all other things being equal.

But just because someone is described as "existing in x-dimensional timespace or whatever, and someone else is described as "existing throughout x+1 dimensions", that doesn't mean the latter automatically beats the former. In addition to establishing that 'dimensions' in the two settings are comparable, you have to take into account scale in each of those dimensions, the various abilities of the entities in question, their power output, etc. The idea that higher-dimensional beings always beat lower-dimensional beings is retarded.

Here's an example: In one Star Trek episode, the Enterprise ran into '2-dimensional beings' which were not only dangerous to the ship, but couldn't even be harmed due to existing in only 2 dimensions, and all of the Enterprise's weapons were 3-dimensional. They were hard to even detect. Their telepathy also was dangerous to three-dimensional telepaths."

That being said...

2. Due to their higher-dimensional nature, characters that exist in higher dimensions can be presumed to be non-corporeal and nigh-omnipresent at minimum.

https://youtu.be/uDaKzQNlMFw

You see, a higher mathematical dimension contains an infinite number of a lower mathematical dimension. This is a given. (0:13)

Higher-dimensional entities can move in higher mathematical dimensions, meaning that they will seem to move at infinite velocities or teleport to lower-dimensional entities if they move in those higher mathematical dimensions. (0:22)

There is also the fact that higher-dimensional entities will be spread out across multiple spacetime continuums of the lower mathematical dimensions. This means that higher-dimensional entities are nigh-omnipresent compared to lower-dimensional entities. (1:42)

3. If a verse or series franchise actually does tier or rank power using mathematical dimensions, then mathematical dimensions will only be used for powerscaling in-verse.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Universes

1. Like always, a universe is to be presumed to be infinite unless there is irrevocable evidence against the universe in question being infinite.

2. If a universe is finite, then the universe must be presumed to be the size and have the total mass-energy of the observable universe.

3. If a universe is infinite, it's size, not to mention the amount of energy required to destroy it, will be presumed to be aleph-0.

4. If a universe is finite, then the energy needed to destroy it will be assumed to be the gravitational binding energy of the observable universe, which is approximately 8E71 joules.

5. If a universe is finite, then the energy needed to create it will be assumed to be the total mass-energy of the observable universe, which is approximately 2.68E71 joules.

6. If one destroys only the space and mass-energy, and not the full totality of the spacetime and mass-energy, of an infinite universe, that being will be assumed to have produced 8E71 joules.

7. If one destroys only the space and mass-energy, and not the full totality of the spacetime and mass-energy, of a finite universe, that being will be assumed to have produced 2.68E71 joules.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Multiverses

1. Destroying a finite number of infinite universes will be presumed to take an amount of energy between aleph-0 and aleph-1.

2. If a multiverse has an unspecified number of universes, the number of universes assumed for that multiverse will be 1E500, as that is the theorized number of universes in our own multiverse.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0004134.pdf

3. When concerning multiverses containing infinite universes, it is important to know which type of multiverse one is talking about. Max Tegmark's four levels of the multiverse can help us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Max_Tegmark.27s_four_levels

3a. If the multiverse is an infinite Level I multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is 1 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-0.

A Level I multiverse is also known as an inflationary multiverse.

3b. If the multiverse is an infinite Level II multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-0 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-1.

A Level II multiverse is also known as a bubble multiverse.

3c. If the multiverse is an infinite Level III multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-1 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-2.

A Level III multiverse is also known as a quantum multiverse, many-worlds multiverse, many-worlds interpretation multiverse, many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics multiverse, relative state formulation multiverse, Everett interpretation multiverse, many-universes interpretation multiverse, or theory of the universal wavefunction multiverse.

3d. If the multiverse is an infinite Level IV multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-2 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-3.

A Level IV multiverse is also known as an ultimate ensemble multiverse, ultimate multiverse, and mathematical universe hypothesis multiverse.

4. Evidence for which type of multiverse is which when characters in a verse will be analyzed on a mostly case-by-case basis. But there will be a few noteworthy standard assumptions for analyzing multiverses.

4a. Level I multiverses are simply infinite universes. If a universe is stated, shown, or implied to be infinite in size, it will be considered a Level I multiverse by default.

4b. When a series franchise or verse is stated to be a multiverse, it will automatically be assumed to be a Level II multiverse unless evidence is given for said multiverse to be on a higher or lower level. Statements or implications about a multiverse being "infinite", "countless", or "endless" mean that a multiverse is an infinite Level II multiverse. If a multiverse is stated to contain universes with different physical constants, it will also be assumed to be a Level II multiverse.

4c. When a series franchise or verse contains a multiverse inside of it, and its description of the multiverse is similar to or the same as the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics (for example, the multiverse being described as having realities diverge upon new decisions), then it will be assumed to be an infinite LV III multiverse. The multiverse will also be assumed to be an infinite Level III multiverse if said multiverse is stated or implied to be at least 10-dimensional.

4d. A series franchise or verse is considered to contain a LV IV multiverse if said multiverse contains universes with different structures of mathematics than ours, is a totality that exists beyond spacetime, duality, or existence and nonexistence, contains universes with different fundamental laws of physics than ours, contains universes with different laws of logic or metaphysics than ours, contains universes with wholly alien or incomprehensible concepts, or contains impossible worlds.

For more information about the mathematical universe hypothesis:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0646v2.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9704009v2.pdf http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-universe-made-of-math-excerpt/ http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/16-is-the-universe-actually-made-of-math http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html

Standard Assumptions Concerning Megaverses

1. If a set, system, or structure of universes is so large that a Level IV multiverse cannot contain it, and a set, system, or structure of multiverses is needed to contain the total amount of universes, at least one of the multiverses will be assumed to be an infinite Level IV multiverse, with the standard assumption being that said multiverse is grouped with other Level IV multiverses.

2. If an infinite Level IV multiverse is grouped with smaller infinite multiverses, such as an infinite amount of infinite Level II multiverses, the amount of infinite universes assumed for the megaverse is still aleph-2.

3. If a finite amount of infinite Level IV multiverses is contained within a megaverse, the amount of universes assumed for the megaverse is between aleph-2 and aleph-3, and the energy needed to destroy them between aleph-3 and aleph-4.

4. If an infinite number of infinite Level IV multiverses is contained within a megaverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-3, and the energy needed to destroy them aleph-4.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Omniverses

1. If a set, system, or structure of universes is so large that a megaverse cannot contain it, and a set, system, or structure of megaverses is needed to contain the total amount of universes, at least one of the megaverses will be assumed to be an infinite megaverse, with the standard assumption being that the megaverse is grouped with other megaverses.

2. If an infinite megaverse is grouped with smaller megaverses, such as a megaverse containing a finite amount of infinite Level IV multiverses, the amount of infinite universes assumed for the Omniverse is still aleph-3.

3. If a finite number of infinite megaverses are contained within an Omniverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is between aleph-3 and aleph-4, and the amount of energy needed to destroy them being aleph-4 and aleph-5. Characters who can destroy such sets, structures, or systems are Multi-Megaverse Level. If the number of infinite megaverses exceeds 1E500, but is still less than infinity, then characters who can destroy such sets, structures, or systems are Multi-Megaverse Level+.

3. If an infinite number of infinite megaverses are contained within an Omniverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-4, and the amount of energy needed to destroy them being aleph-5.

4. If a Verse or Series Franchise supposedly contains all of fiction and real life, or even just real life, it will be assumed that said "real life" is just a fictional representation of real life and the fictional settings contained are simply versions of the "actual" fictional settings. However, if such a statement can otherwise be taken at face value, without any irrevocably mitigating factors (such as said Omniverse being a structure with 11 planes of existence), then the Omniverse can be assumed to have absolutely infinite universes.

The reason for this is as follows: let's say that I imagined a Verse or Series Franchise that contains absolutely infinite universes within it's multiverse. As what is imagined is a part of fiction, a Verse that contains all of fiction and real life would logically contain it.

5. If a verse or series franchise contains an infinite hierarchy of parallel universes, akin to a hierarchy of Russian dolls, then the amount of universes assumed for such an Omniverse will be aleph-ω.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Characters Who Threaten or Destroy "All Of Reality" Or "All Of Existence":

Whenever there is a statement of a character threatening or destroying "all of existence" or "all of reality", be sure to answer these questions, as "all of existence" and "all of reality" are subjective concepts, and may not actually mean the totality of the verse.

1. How large is the verse that the character originates from in terms of cosmology?

2. What is the highest/largest cosmological structure/set/system/unit that the threat or destroyer in question has affected/viewed? Or that the character making the statement has affected/viewed?

3. How knowledgeable is the character in question about the verse?

With these questions, you can quantify the highest scale structures that said character can destroy.

That should be the latest edit.