Forum:How is a true wiki?

Hello community central. I'm writing this forum to ask a question, how is a true wiki?

I think that a wiki is a place to share knowledge, to talk and discuss, research on the topic which the wiki about.

Yet, there are users who take advantage of creating a wiki to make it smeared, bad hobbies for themselves. I'm a Vietnamese Wikia user and I look at the Top wikis of Wikia. There are 2 wikis that I mean to non-true wiki. #2 and #4 are http://vi.f17.wikia.com and http://vi.gamevn.wikia.com

How can it be? They use many kind words of profanity, vulgar, obscene with sweet sentences to write article contents, it is so unacceptable. But they are placed on top of Wikia wikis in vi.

I feel repugnant and frustration when looking at the list, while there are other vi users building their own wikis everyday, meticulous in fix spelling errors, finding contents, learning manythings and they are so pround when have wikis to love. Don't you think they are great? Yes, yes they are.

So, Wikia accept those non-true wikis like that, don't Wikia?

Thanks for reading my thoughts,

 Đôrêmi ドラミ  (nhắn tin cho Đôrêmi)  11:43, November 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey community, I need your comments  Đôrêmi ドラミ  (nhắn tin cho Đôrêmi)  12:10, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe the administrator is inactive on those wikis. I've seen numerous cases where a wiki is abandoned and vandals take over. --


 * No, this is not right. If you can read it, the main page, it really is writing policy, and is full-protected by admin, many pages such like that were written by admins, page history shows that.  Đôrêmi ドラミ  (nhắn tin cho Đôrêmi)  14:02, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess wikia makes those lists based on number of pages, pageviews or whatever random stat, without actually checking the content, just like an automated report throws a top 10 list based on statistics. Tagging Staff needed --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) -WikiDex 18:31, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Top wikis based on number of visit, pageviews. can you tell me how to handle with those bad wikis? what can I do about them? I need an advice.  Đôrêmi ドラミ  (nhắn tin cho Đôrêmi)  23:15, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have problems with such wikis, always try and contact the admins on the wiki first to see if you can sort it out with them, then use special:contact and describe your problems to wikia staff. You also can ask wikia's vandalism and spam fighting team to have a look at it.
 * Both wikis were closed today for violating our Terms of Use. While neither wiki was grossly over the line, in both instances it was clear that the purposes of both wikis were to defame members of non-Wikia message boards that the founders did not like personally. --daNASCAT http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 01:07, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Both wikis were closed today for violating our Terms of Use. While neither wiki was grossly over the line, in both instances it was clear that the purposes of both wikis were to defame members of non-Wikia message boards that the founders did not like personally. --daNASCAT http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 01:07, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

StolenCandy
@DoremiAlpha : Those wiki which u accused for "words of profanity, vulgar, obscene with sweet sentences to write article contents, it is so unacceptable" are actually our forum's memories, but since i've already been here, i should let all of you know this :

- 1st - the 2 wikis you closed today have no sign of bad language or sexual content, they are just "internet slang" that build the society everyday.

- 2nd - valuable memories are valuable, you closed it, you deleted it that mean you gave us a huge insult. You'd better tell us about what we need to change than play a sudden move.

- 3rd - I saw you have wikis too Doremi, idk if this is personal or not, but you went to the top VNese's wiki and saw 2 of our most beloved wiki - maybe jelous ? huh ?

- 4rd - Dear the person who have the power to close wiki : please, before you close any wiki, read carefully about it, you need to hear from every person, not just from a single mouth. That way, your action will be more "responsibility". ( Oh and those wikis are in Vietnamese, so maybe you didnt read all of them and just closed them like you closed your eye )

Final : Your inability to look for every detail or every crucial evidence have cause us our work, our sweat, our laugh, even our heart on those 2 diaries. With this note, i request you : "Please open our wikis back".

Sincerely

StolenCandy


 * Violating Wikia Terms of Use is the most serious crime, it is unacceptable, do not try to justify, you have made a big mistake.
 * Adddition, vandalizing my wiki, you have a fun idea about revenge. I, Doremialpha, will not scare you, and my friends from Vietnamese Inazuma Eleven Wiki, we will unite against you if you do anything bad with our wikis.
 *  Đôrêmi ドラミ  (nhắn tin cho Đôrêmi)  09:00, November 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * @Doremi : Please give me atleast 2 examples about the so called "Violated Wikia Terms of Use".
 * About the revenge, we are so sorry about that, hope that wont cause permanent damage to you big fat unhealthy wiki - since we were too angry about the thing you did with our wikis. After all, we have the same passion for our wiki ...
 * And another thing, we are not threatening you, stop being hallucinated, call all your "mates" to step down and have a reasonable chat. Im sure that we dont want any war, do we ?


 * StolenCandy



nglekhoi
Hi everyone. As a maintainer of gamevn wiki, i must say a word about this problem

Firstly, for DoremiAlpha

I have to ask you a question : Why are you so hasty? I don't know anything about this before 21 November (and the wiki been closed 1 day after), look like you don't want to sort out this problem with me then ...

As i said before, you can choose what you want and don't want to read. If you feel uncomfortable, feedback to us or just leave

And you said "words of profanity, vulgar, obscene with sweet sentences to write article contents". Since our wiki is "anyone-can-edit" and i'm the only one active-maintainer out there, i can't manage to review all of the submission. There are 2 or 3 posts have some "mature contents" ... but when you mark those as "obscene with sweet sentences" ... i'm totally shock. Have you read adult story before ? It's FAR better (and more bad (maybe 1000 times)) than what we wrote.

About the revenge.- Sorry for what they did for your wiki. But it's predictable. What do you feel when someone kick you out of the windows without any word?

Secondly, for Wikia Staff

The main reason for close both wiki was "defame members of non-Wikia message boards that the founders did not like personally" right ?

How do you know that?

Since that's a fan-created wiki (for gamevn.com forum), most of articles were written by member or anonymous, not the founders (Futhermore, the main admin has inactive since 2010)

What do you think a forum have? Well ... posts, members, troller, events. And our wiki's job is "track down most memorable events" to write it on wiki. So the wiki is just like a "unofficial history book" for our forum (you can look at "Nhật ký Gamevn (Gamevn Diaries)" or "Những câu nói bất hủ GVN (The most memorable slogan of Gamevn members)"

About "defame members of non-Wikia message boards". I have to say that : there are two types of people we write about on our wiki. First is "people that we respect (admin, mod ...)", other is "people that we don't respect (troller, bad people ...)". It's no suprise when we write bad things about bad people did, right? But i have to agree that sometime their writing is too profanity.

I wrote this for you to know more about what we wrote on our wiki. I don't wish to reopen our wiki, but, at least ... give us a backup of our wiki to start in more freedom place without any "nit-picking people"

And ... i'll thank you greatly if you reopen our wiki. I promise that: all post with "not-safe-for-read" will be correct to more polite's one and remove all the posts that "can't-be-correct"

But in the end, the decision is your

Thanks for reading my post

Gamevn Wikia maintainer

nglekhoi

ps (doremi): it's fine if our wiki doesn't mean anything to you ... but for us, it's memories, it's joy, it's history that you never can rewrite. Reconsider your action if it affects more than one people.

What REALLY is a true wiki?
First of all, Doremi's question is stupidly false in terms of grammar. Every English learners who is in Vietnam knows that.

Now to the big question: What REALLY is a true wiki?

The answer is: A REALLY true wiki is a wiki which is highly-ranked, defining useful information for a specific purpose, and, most of all, has rich content. Not some small-time wikis that is poorly maintained, single-staffed and few articles, most of which are stubs.

Razordog 14:18, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reply From Wikia Staff
The wikis were closed after comparing what a translated version of the pages indicated versus Our Wiki Creation Policy. Here are some lines from the Wiki Creation Policy that applied:


 * "Wikis which consist only of offensive material or personal attacks will be closed."
 * "Please be cautious about creating wikis or pages (even humorous ones) about living people who aren't publicly notable, including classmates and teachers, gaming clans, forum communities, and more. Even positive articles about people can cause unnecessary drama, and may become a tempting target for personal attacks, cyberbullying, unwanted exposure of personal information, and other violations of Wikia's Terms of Use. Remember that any article that uses a person's real name, username or pseudonym can show up prominently in internet searches, and may become a target of pranks or malice long after the original authors have moved on."
 * "If problem content is not dealt with in good faith by the project's community, Wikia staff may remove or alter pages (or entire wikis) that are deemed libelous, offensive, or distressing."

Again, not all content on that wiki was inappropriate (crude Photoshopping, jailbait images, etc.,), or slanderous, but the purpose of the wiki seemed to encourage such pages nor had a community done any action to help the situation over the last year. Database dumps of the wiki will be available for community members as they are all for all closed wikis if they wish to save the content and either restart the wiki with only the select few okay pages or move to a different hosting solution. --daNASCAT http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 16:41, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply
 * We'll discuss about those options and reply later.
 * nglekhoi


 * Another thing, those wikis were in the top 5 most read wiki in Vietnam, those are the users's choices. They like it. Everything in those wikis are :
 * - 1st - Made-up story ( contain humorous, some languages may be unsuited but we could fix that. )
 * - 2nd - Fact - Singers, Society ... But no personal attack.
 * - 3rd - History - Everything that happened in those 2 site were written as a diary.
 * So im sure that there is no sexual content or anything else for that matter. And about Doremi's line said that those wiki are not for gaming or anything. Yes, they are not about gaming, No, they are wikis, history of 2 well-known forums.
 * Give us another chance.
 * Stolen Candy

Reply for your reply (with a couple of questions)
Hi Wikia Staff

We've argreed to move our wiki to another hosting solution

There are some technical problem that i have to ask:

- Our database will be available in " http://wikistats.wikia.com/v/vi/vigamevn/ " right ?

- Can i import Wikia's data to MediaWiki ?

- Is it possible to have a notice in " http://vi.gamevn.wikia.com " (about changing to another place) or even redirect to our new wiki ?

Thanks

nglekhoi


 * I'm not staff, but&hellip;
 * You can download a database dump from w:c:vi.gamevn:Special:Statistics.
 * Yes, you can import a database dump from Wikia to another MediaWiki installation. However, as far as I know, you'd need to import the images somehow, since the dump doesn't include them
 * A small notice about that the community could possibly be placed on the Main page (for example a news section). Wikia generally doesn't close wikis.


 * 1358 (Talk)  13:36, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * -It shows : "The wiki that you tried to visit doesn't exist yet."
 * -That's mean all of our images will be lost ?
 * -They closed our wiki, how can we edit that "Main page" (http://vi.gamevn.wikia.com)
 * nglekhoi
 * If the wiki has been closed, I'm not sure you can do anything anymore. Use Special:Contact to ask staff. 1358  (Talk)  14:18, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the wiki has been closed, I'm not sure you can do anything anymore. Use Special:Contact to ask staff. 1358  (Talk)  14:18, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support - nglekhoi
 * Let's wait for the answer of the staff! We mustn't lost our hope.