Thread:LordTracer/@comment-32684778-20190928181043/@comment-32684778-20191001152406

So, following off of the absolute success my last DBS revision thread was, we now have this.

Goku and Beerus’ clash is at the moment considered Tier 3, because of the statements of Goku and Beerus turning Universe 7 into a void abd that there would be nothing left in the universe, implying they’re only affecting matter.

However, there’s more statements and evidence pointing to it being a Tier 2 feat than a Tier 3 one.

The Living World is stated in the Daizenshuu to resemble our universe in reality. As our IRL universe is a space-time continuum, the Living World would also be a space-time continuum. Hence the word “reality”. It’s even compared to sci fi verses like Star Wars, which has a space time continuum.

Goku and Beerus’ clash was being felt in, and would have destroyed the Kaioshin realm. This directly contradicts the notion that they’d only be destroying matter in the universe, since the Kaioshin realm is located outside of Universe 7. Even in the manga it’s shown outside the universe, so the notion that it’s one big continuum is shaky especially when the realm of the Kai looks to have its own space time bubble.

The majority of statements in the Beerus Saga just say the universe will be destroyed, not just everything within the universe. One statement even specifically said the entire universe would be destroyed.

It is impossible to freely travel between the Living Realm, Afterlife and Kaioshin realm. If all of Universe 7’s realms were a Tier 3 structure and had finite distances between them, it should be entirely possible to travel back and forth between them.

Whis is capable of time traveling via his Warp ability, which is necessary to travel between the Living World, Afterlife and Kaioshin realm as well as the Numbered Universes.

Feats in later sagas back up the U7 feat being Tier 2, such as Frieza surviving Sidra’s Hakai, 17 managing to damage Jiren, the GoDs being impressed by Goku’s power during the Zen Exhibition, Vegeta, Trunks and Goku surviving infinite Zamasu’s attacks, Goku being confident enough to fight IZ with a senzu bean,etc.

In the Daizenshuu, which is approved by Toriyama himself, Vice Shout was covering the mortal universe. Vice Shout only affects space time, as shown in the ROSAT, and breaking the space time around the universe shows that the mortal universe is an actual universe.

As such, I propose one of three things.
 * Option One - Goku and Beerus would have destroyed the mortal universe, which resembles our universe and is thus a space-time continuum, and they reached other realms. (Low 2-C)
 * Option Two - Goku and Beerus would have destroyed all of Universe 7, including the aforementioned mortal universe as well as the Demon Realm and Heaven, both of which are comparable to the mortal universe. (2-C)
 * Option Three - Goku and Beerus' shockwaves would destroyed the universe and the afterlife, which are connected and and forms a globe like structure, and they were able to reach the Kaioshin realm outside of Universe 7, and they would have destroyed it. (Low 2-C)