Forum:Sectarian issues

Hi. If you do not know User:TurtleShroom is Sectarian. Why? Look at his signature:


 * -- † TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! †

I am not Christian so it insults me. Please make him change his offensive signature. Besides, on the wiki where he's "fuhrer", he makes alot of sectarian remarks, saying "Jesus", and I heard from some users "He goes on other people's talk pages and yells at them to convert to Christianity if they're not Christian". So far, he is blocked on my home wiki because of his sectarian attitude. Thanks. -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  02:59, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * He is NOT fuhrer on the CPFW. Bureaucrats and Sysops are just regular users with extra buttons, no more, no less. He has given up the days of his old Dictatorship government on the CPW. We now run by a no government policy. The Fuhrer ended over a year ago, it is old, dead, news. You are using out of date references. My account is banned on his "Home Wiki", too. Not because I have edited there, no. I have never edited there, but because I am an admin on the Club PEnguin Fanon. That is the only reason I am banned there, because I am an admin on a website. The only reason I found out I was banned was because of the Wikia emails that tell you when you were banned. --Anniemoose98


 * Normally I would skip over a post like this, but with all of the crazy Christian fundamentalism going on in the news, I'm not so sure his signature is giving the right message to people of another faith or atheists like myself. However, the right to freedom of speech has to be enforced on this site, so I don't imagine his sig getting forcibly changed anytime soon. SAM SON IUS 03:27, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why is that signature an insult for you? Anyone can believe whatever they want, and is he wants to put that as his signature, it is completely fine. I find more insulting what you're doing, asking him to remove it just because you don't believe in it. Grow up. -- ( (  (  (  Matias   )  )  )  )  ~  Talk  AVATAR Wiki 03:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, no no. I believe in Christianity but his signature is most insulting and should be changed. Did you even read the title?! -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  03:35, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did read the "I'm not Christian" part... -- ( (  (  (  Matias   )  )  )  )  ~  Talk  AVATAR Wiki 03:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait, what? Your first post said you are not Christian, but you do believe in Christianity? My head hurts now... :P SAM SON IUS 03:38, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's complicated. -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  03:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if a sig would be changed if it said someone was islaamist or satanist (Not that I put those two religions in the same basket, phew... faux pas averted) -- Duskey talk 10:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only point I have about that signature is that it's too long, apart from that, users can say anything they want about their personal views in their signature, if that is their choice, as long as it's not "hate speech" (if for example, the sig in question said "Jesus loves you and if you don't accept him you're going to hell" - I'd ask for it to be changed, as I'd find that offensive. I don't have double standards, so if it was Islamic, Hindu etc. I wouldn't have a problem with it) you have the right to think that the signature doesn't reflect your views, but I'd find it even more offensive if you asked him to remove the signature in person, as that'd be a violation of free speech, and an insult. If you drive by a church, chances are you'll see messages like this, some of them are worse. I'd ask you to learn some tolerance -- <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  11:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally Genius, Random Time. Totally genius. --[[User:Anniemoose98|Anniemoose98]]

Randomtime, you... ...are harrassing me. I can't say anymore, I'm real hurt. -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  14:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to explain, I don't see how he's harassing you. DP 15:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * "I'd ask you to learn some tolerance."

Actually, sectarianism is not allowed. -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  14:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * In Wikia's point of view, wikis are about community, getting along with people. If you cannot tolerate diverse beliefs then I would say it is you who should leave, not TurtleShroom. -- 15:14, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I just hate atheists and atheism. --Koppa Dasao frelangi kazelangin na 15:34, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever. I will continue to block TurtleShroom on my home wiki though. -- Jeffwang16  (Talk)   (Contributions)   (Email me!)  15:38, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

If he spams, block him. If not, leave him be. It's a free world, at least it' suppose to be. --Koppa Dasao frelangi kazelangin na 15:41, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're such a baby. As I said in my previous post, you're insulting him more than he is "insulting" you. -- ( (  (  ( <font color="00AAFF"><font face="Papyrus" size="2"> Matias   )  )  )  )  ~ <font face="Papyrus" size="2"> Talk  <font face="Papyrus" size="2">AVATAR Wiki 15:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand how somebody telling you to man up and accept that people have different religious views to you, and will express them counts as harassment. Unless any further points will be made, this'll be the be my last contribution to this topic. -- <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  16:10, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to make it clear, I meant that he is a baby because he is blocking him from his home wiki just for his signature. The signature is completely ok, and the insulting thing is Jeff asking him/her to change it. -- ( (  (  ( <font color="00AAFF"><font face="Papyrus" size="2"> Matias   )  )  )  )  ~ <font face="Papyrus" size="2"> Talk  <font face="Papyrus" size="2">AVATAR Wiki 16:19, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * On his (TurtleShroom's) talk page, it looks like he's been asked to remove this part of his signature by others as well, dating back to October 2008, once by a former Community Central administrator. Sure he has free speech and it's his right to say whatever he wants, but when it starts to affect more than one person, some consideration should be made as to whether or not it's worth it to keep a part of a signature because he's allowed to. <font face="Arial" size=3><font color=#c5c5c5>SAM <font color=#7d7d7d>SON <font color=#4f4f4f>IUS 16:27, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Suck it up. If you said "Allah rules!" in a signature, I couldn't block for being Islam. I am not coercing you to convert to my faith, I am not even quoting an actual Bible Verse. It is not your business, unless it specifically blocks Wikia Terms of Use, to complain about how I sign my posts. There is no harassment in saying that "Jesus Loves You". If you are that easily offended, why are you online? Something WILL offend you. I myself am deeply offended by the Un-Club Penguin Wiki and the evil Uncyclopedia, but I don't whine for them to be wiped off the Internet. Non-belivers do not have the right to live in a realm completely devoid of religious sentiment. If you were blocked on the CPFW for contesting my signature, you probably did not do anything productive or helpful on said site, only coming to whine because you can't take an opinion different from your own. I suggest that you man up, stop whining, leave me be, and contribute to a wiki that either I do not participate at, or, grow a little tolerance and ignore my signature. I have to ignore heaps of spam from Un-CP, as they constantly bombard me with unnecesary messages, forcing me to come to clear the "New Messages" bar. However, I have never, nor will I, perform an act as stupid and intolerant as this, requesting me to change my signature just because you don't like it. Now, I understand that you do not adhere to Christianity, and I am not going to try and save your soul. You may have had a case if my signature said "Follow Jesus or Go to Hell", but I am not rubbing my faith in your face, otehr than proclaiming that the diety adhere to loves you and sacrificed Himself for you. Whether you choose to belive what I say or not, you do not have the right to force a man who has given at least two years of his time to help a website with his work, one who has helped build at least two wikis and contributes actively and [productively on a near-daily basis. How can you be so intolerant when I have done nothing wrong? In fact, my edit track record shows that I my have done more than you on one site than yourself on any one database. Twelve thousand edits do not lie, I am a productive member of Wikia and my signature does not effect my productivity nor yours. I do not block atheists for being atheist, I do not block Muslims for being Islamist, and I do not block people because of their religious beliefs. I only blocked whoever is complaining that I blocked them for their signature because they were only there to spam me and whine about my own belief, rather than contibute productively to the site. I have a site to help run, and I don't like to be bothered by such petty complaints as this. Instead of trying to destroy me, why not put your own words to the test and actually edit a site as I do? The initial complaint is from a man who, in every signature uses the curse word for "donkey" in an equally offensive way just because he can. If you want to destroy my religious signature, take away his cursing signature as well. That offends me! Besides, unlike my signaure, cursing is banned on some wikis, and he would be breaking rules. Where am I breaking a rule on signatures? The sites that I actually edit on allow tolerance. I proudly sign this post with my signature. -- † TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! †    :)  :)  HEAR OUR VOICE, WE WANT CHOICE!! 16:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Closing
Hi guys. I've closed this discussion, as it's not a matter for Central. Please remember to respect each other and each other's opinions and beliefs. =) - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 16:53, September 11, 2010 (UTC)