Thread:Kiefer/@comment-954127-20190427184324/@comment-954127-20190511215155

Within the last week where I was granted deleting abilities only, and yes I really did hold back. But the site had lyrics about child rape and murder (as in both at the same time). The things I have read are beyond any sense of question wrong.

I retract/reconstruct some of my comments towards you based on the conversations on the Lyric Wiki Talk: Community Portal. I see that a lot of things might have been said, a few things "were" done, and truth is that the Wiki is flooded by questionable edits. I have worked years on Ghostbusters Wiki (started back in 2008) and have also worked on many other wikis. I get your perspective too. Ideas should have been more constructed to redirect content and deal with bad editors. It seemed some people at the wiki wanted to pretty hard promote music in the grindcore genre (related p*rncore, and gorecore too). They in many cases reuploaded it and dropped the genre terms to avoid being refound.

If I had been in the conversation in 2017 I would have advised redirecting deleted songs to go back to the band. I also would have suggested placing admin level restrictions on editing/moving pages that are in place as redirects.

I will not say anything on Sannse. My very few conversation with her are quite public. I know less than you on this. I'm a outsider, disappointed that the wiki is in the sad shape it is in. At the core of this, people running the wiki sadly have to understand and enforce rules/guidelines to reflect Wikia/Fandom's TOU. "Music" is very much art, but Fandom is a worldwide user submitted information service. Anyone can look at any article on the wiki. Fandom also pays fees for the lyrics as previously noted. This wiki is more than most wiki's on Fandom. Fandom wants it to be successful, but that means tough as nails admins protecting the "relationship" of Fandom to both viewers and advertisers.

Why Fandom shutdown editing on the wiki was to protect itself. They I assume have lost faith in the wiki's leadership at this point too. Honestly, the only good outcome is if admins agree to a new plan with fandom, and actually enforce it if given the chance.

Part of being a admin its being the one that says "No" to something such as lyrics about rape and murder.