Thread:Tony di bugalu/@comment-38729545-20190531140934

I am sorry, but there is literally nothing Ravenous can prove that AP is considered important to a 1A being.

To explain in depth, Aza puts it best:

“ 1-A itself already breaks from this. It is quite a bit different than the tiers before it (you can't reach it by stacking anything), and already provides a tier for things that are well beyond normal ideas of "power", in most cases.

High 1-A has to be different than this, otherwise it isn't really a different tier, and doesn't really need to exist. If it can apply to an endless number of things within a verse, it isn't really/shouldn't be High 1-A.”

A 1-A shouldn't be stronger than a High 1-A, because ideas like "strength" have become completely irrelevant, at that point.

If a 1-A character is objectively stronger than something that is High 1-A (which, on its own, seems difficult to actually prove outside the confines of a single verse, but I get the idea), that is less a problem with the tier itself and more with some specific characters.

Because the general idea of "strength" is not really being applied here, High 1-A characters should have some sort of unique quality that makes them High 1-A.

“ I agree with Matt, and heavily disagree with Bob, no offense.

You can argue for that kind of heirarchy in a single verse, yes. However that's literally all it is, a heirarchy of power.

You can't compare that to the heirarchy of another verse as Outerversal characters are already beyond anything science can measure in regards to dimensions. Counting how many times a character transcends something is like counting how far ahead a 1-A is from a High 1-B, it's pointless”

Because you can't? It's not a measurement, but a state of being.

You can't really say "a 1-A is as strong as this many High 1-Bs/this many infinities above High 1-B".

“ I'd say they definitely are. We're not measuring High 1-A characters based on how "strong" they are, or how much they can blow up, or any of that. Even in 1-A, transcendence and "strength" are a lot more metaphysical than they are in any tier below, though at that point, there are still some characters who "fight" and all that jazz. They also aren't above tiering systems if we actually have a tier for them, since we're not claiming "complete omnipotence" or something.

"and if a lower-tier character can affect constructs of a higher metaphysical analogue for size then a higher-tier character can"

What are the examples of this, and why is it an issue with the fundamental system itself and not something that can be fixed by changing said characters? If a High 1-A is clearly stated or shown to be limited in the first place to what size constructs it can affect, then that's usually reason to argue against something being High 1-A as opposed to changing the system itself.”

Basically Azzy is saying it is more relating to Metaphysic stuff for 1A beings.

You guys can not argue it is simply AP per se anyway.

And, no, I ain’t trolling. 