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'''What is your username? The Cruentus.'''

Please link to the wiki here: http://avp.wikia.com.

'''How many edits have you made on that wiki? 700'''

'''How many days/months have you been editing there? I have been there and remain active since June 4th 2012.'''

'''On the Special Pages -> Special:ListUsers when was the last time an admin edited, and who was it? The last time the head admin/bureaucrat Nightmarizard edited was july 30th 2012, though other admins have edited recently, Nightmarizard was the one to adopt the wiki and was head admin, he currently is inactive. The most recent edit (16:06 October 22, 2012) by an admin is me, The Cruentus.'''

'''Any other information: Since Nightmarizard is inactive and for so long, I believe the wiki needs adopting as the wiki should be in the hands of someone who is very active and I monitor the wiki daily even when not logged in. There are decent admins on there but they are not always 100% active and they are entitled to have a life of course and can't be expected to be there 24/7. The wiki I am requesting to adopt was adminless when I joined and was in bad shape, it was only through Nightmarizard adopting the wiki and appointing us as admins that we were able to improve the wiki, I like to do the same by making sure that the wiki is in active hands and should the admins ever go inactive for a very long period or permanently, I will then be able to appoint new ones to keep the wiki safe and make sure it never becomes adminless again.'''


 * Do not allow this user to adopt the avp wiki. He doesn't belong their and he has done lots of very bad things. These are links showing him insulting me, allowing people to insult me, him harassing one member other than me. He has unjustly blocked me over 8 times.


 * He is also not the highest ranked person on the avpwiki he is overstepping his bounds trying to adopt this wiki.


 * This is a very complicated matter read all the links.


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 * --WAVE (talk) 02:40, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * The user WAVE was blocked for uncivil behavior and after his block was over he continued to be uncivil and edit warred, he refused to provide sources as well thus it was in my right to warn and block him. now his last block was for indefinite because he has a history of uncivil behavior and arguing and so I made the choice to prevent further disruptions. Here is a link to some of his past behavior and recent ones. there is never an excuse to threaten someone, its completety uncivil. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ultimatex#Links. I may delete my reply and wave's post above soon as this is not the place to start arguing or make complaints as this is just an adoption request thread not a place to reply and argue.

The Cruentus (talk) 10:40, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please leave all messages on this page. Objections to adoptions are allowed, and Staff will look at any situations in order to make a decision.


 * Ah I see, my apolgies, I did not know that, I do not go on wikia central or post here except recently. I even asked an admin about it mins ago. The issue with WAVE is going to be sorted between at least three admins, he should respect that, If he fears that me adopting the wiki will mean that I will overule the other admins and prevent him from coming back then he is wrong, he can breathe a sigh of relief as I am a man of my word and the decision will still be between three admins and ANY decision regarding him will be final and respected. My intentions to adopt the wiki is make sure it is in active hands and so I can appoint new admins should the others become inactive for long periods of time and to make sure the avp wiki does not become adminless again. The Cruentus (talk) 11:53, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Eladkse/SigReal: This guy is misleading you, you have too look at all the information that has been presented. I will also point out that Bert from Community Central has said that not all the things this guy does is productive.



He has allowed one to many bad things to happen against me on this wiki. When someone tries to report him, it wasn't just me look at the links, he snowballs the report and makes it imposable to report him. Very similar to Gestapo tactics.

He has gotten away with making personal attacks at me. He reverts good faith edits, again I am not the only but he loves to target me and replace it with his canonbreaking material.

MOST troublesome of all is he is practically helping a very bad stalker that has stalked me from a nonwiki website to every freaking place I have ever been.

The Cruentes quote False accusations so far.

claiming you are being stalked with no proof. (if he is evidently stalking you on another wiki then deal with it there by talking to the admins, no sign of stalking here so far.)



Since the guy is a sociopath this is all he needs to freaking see to counter anything I do involving the FBI cybercrimes division.

--WAVE (talk) 17:54, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Wave be patient, the decision about you has yet to be made, so respect the fact that we are all coming together to sort it all out, which is actually what Bert suggested a while back on ultimatex's page.

I did not revert your "good faith" edits, I reverted non-sourced info, had you provided a source then it would have stayed, I even asked you to provide sources but you threw it back into my face. We work on a wiki remember, you cannot just add everything you want. As for the stalker, I did not aid or help any stalker and you know it, I asked you about it and you pretty much told me to mind my own business and so then I told you not to bring the trouble to the avp wiki and deal with it elsewhere.

Wave, you have got to stop calling me and other admins canon breakers because I am not, as I have no doubt said before many times, canon or non canon is not what matters to me, its whether or not it can be sourced, there is no bias in me and I hope there none in the other admins either. I do not love to target you, I don't even hate you, you just happen to keep getting yourself in trouble, uncivil behavior is against the rules. you have called someone a troll, called those who walk away from fights spineless, and cowards and in the past threatened to knock someone's teeth out and not too far back, you attempted to threaten me into getting rid of someone you did not like. If someone insults you, you do not insult back, you report them or ignore them, Instead of participating in his blogs which much later you found offensive, you should have either ignored the blog or told daniel himself that you were offended, you did neither If I recall, you just ended up calling him a troll.

A troll which is someone who gets amusement from constantly provoking people with obscene messages, daniel large actually closed his blog to prevent further arguing and disruption. His only crime was not closing it sooner or perhaps starting a sensitive (canon issue) subject blog in the first place, one of our upcoming wiki projects is to address if canon subjects in blogs should be disallowed or monitored by at least two admins due to how things can get out of hand.

We could keep doing this back and forth but I rather not, its not civil and its not the right way to do things, you can object to my request here all you want but lets not bring arguments here, you can complain to the admins here if you want, that is what talk pages are for or at least can be used for or message walls these days but the whatever is decided for this request, the decision about you will still go ahead and will be done in a fair manner, I give you my word. If you respect any of the admins there at all, you will be patient and allow us the chance to sort it all out, but you must accept the decision and its terms even if it turns out not to be the choice you wanted, is that fair?The Cruentus (talk) 20:10, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Any other person here other than "The Cruentus"


 * Again most of these posts he makes are bunk which you the reader can see in my links. Notice how his demeanor has changed? I don't buy it. He has done this before he can change in heart beat which he did one I was unjustly banned the first time.

"The Cruentus quote" I did not revert your "good faith" edits, I reverted non-sourced info


 * Yes you did and your replaced it with unsourced fanon.



The name should be changed to the name that it was given in the 3d blu-ray special features discBold text. Ridley Scott calls it a Ultramorph. As it was put by one of the production staff it is an alien that comes from a Engineer. It is just a baby but it will be bigger stronger and more developed than a human born Xenomorph.







[http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Egg ]



The Cruentues Quote I even asked you to provide sources but you threw it back into my face.


 * Practice what you preach. You wrote no references and ignored your own references in talk page and replaced what I wrote with unsourced material. I might also add I am the only person that you have done this with, and you made up this rule and claimed I broke it after blocking me.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:TroopDude#Wiki_Projects_and_guidelines.




 * date of rule made. 17:43, August 25, 2012 date and time of unjust block after telling you I was getting wiki central involved. 11:48, August 25, 2012

The Cruentues Quote As for the stalker, I did not aid or help any stalker and you know it


 * Yes you did the link is above and their is more. Just by denying him and claim that I am making a false accusation is helping him.

The Cruentues Quote I told you not to bring the trouble to the avp wiki and deal with it elsewhere.


 * Yeah I will scheduled it with him. I will tell him not to bother me on the avp wiki, by the way that is sarcasm -_-

The Cruentues Quote Wave, you have got to stop calling me and other admins canon breakers because I am not


 * You are a canon breaker, I have explained foxs outline on what is and isn't canon, and the creators, and you have tried to decaonize comic and novel material, and even said you will decanonize the avp part of saga, which is against the outline and outrageous because WE are a avp wiki. Their are many other wiki you are welcome to join that break canon and have it that avp is not canon.



The Cruentues Quote I have no doubt said before many times, canon or non canon is not what matters to me

Here is wiki about aliens that is full of fanon that is more to your liking. 
 * Which is a serious problem, you will screw up everything that has been worked on allowing fanon on the website.

The Cruentues Quote I don't even hate you, you just happen to keep getting yourself in trouble, uncivil behavior is against the rules.


 * Want to explain then why we where allowed to be called avpfanboys over and over again by user that comes on just to bash avp and people follow him around that call us fools! Want to explain why its ok to have my words copied and have the first part made to say avpfanboy and this is ok? Want to explain why it's ok to insult me? Want to explain why people can talk about me being killed and this is ok? Or why it's ok to harass and follow people around and slander them...?


 * To the reader reading this the links for this stuff is in the first link I posted.

The Cruentues quote you have called someone a troll

And because it quote unquote takes place in Indonesia that means Prometheus retcons it. Which is bunk.
 * They are a troll they used troll logic they trolled the fanbase more than once. I had a talk with a rep from the Wiki Communty Central and they even said I was trolled. You are defending them because you liked seeing his mockery of the avp. Example of troll logic Saying that the avp movie really takes place in indoasia because the editors for the movie forgot to make the actors breath visible while they are clearly supposed to be in the antarctic. And then preceded to make a sarcastic smiley


 * To the reader reading this the links for this stuff is in the first link I posted.

The Cruentues quote called those who walk away from fights spineless


 * You would not leave me alone and filled up the head admins user page with false information. Even after I told you to never talk to me you wouldn't stop. What you did is conflick of intrest, you allowed this guy to troll avp fans and bash the avp movies, you are ok with this because you don't like avp and would like to see them retconed.


 * To the reader reading this the links for this stuff is in the first link I posted.



The Cruentues quote and in the past threatened to knock someone's teeth out


 * This user mocked me insulted me, and acted like a user from the same website the stalker is from. They are very bad, and I felt it was just a tad bit suspicious that someone would start fighting over the junk known as the F-22 raptor right after I left the website and they were bashing me because of the F-22 Raptor.


 * These users are extremely bad and since they fell above the law that they can just stalk anyone, and they are encouraged to do it, even getting legal advice on how to twist the law as to make it so they are not quote unquote breaking it, and really harass the hell out of people, they DESERVE a taste of their own medicine. Esp since one of them is an fbi agent (they claim) and they have ambition to be the head director of the fbi gives the stalker legal advice on how its ok to post my personal information, and the other being a crazed nutcase (stalker) that will and does WATCH ME AT ALL TIMES!!! I DON"T FIND IT EXCEPTABLE

The Cruentues quote you attempted to threaten me into getting rid of someone you did not like.


 * No this is what I said.

Daniel large is a troll, since you obviously haven't noticed in his blog he has gone out of his way to insult AvP fans, portraying them as unintelligent. He has used troll logic in his arguments, a good half of his argument is not even worth addressing.Bold text In addition to this in his last blog half a year ago he strongly fought with the people on here that cloning is not possible without brain cells, even though scientist in Russia are doing this tight now.

So ether you do something about his trolling and insults or I report him and you to a mod.I will report you on grounds that you are allowing your hate for avp to allow Prometheus fan boys to insult people that like avp. You have not said a thing to the troll about him insulting avp fans in his blog so it looks like you are using favoritism to me. 


 * And it is true what I said. You allowed this guy to say all these things and it was only after I proved Jason wrong about the multiverse of StarWars and after I told the other users he was using troll logic that you threatened me. You said nothing about the guy talking about me being killed, you said nothing to the other guy about trolling avp fans. And you had said you wanted the avp movies to be retconed. Put one and two together and it looks like THIS is a conflict of interest.


 * I said nothing about getting rid of that users, I should have though because he trolled us before. Used troll logic like "can't clone things without brain cells, which leads to avp is noncanon" which is lie because that is what we are doing in real life right now with mammoth dna. He ticked off a lot us users, and the people with him as well esp after they called one called us fools. And another said our research is garbage or something close to that.

The Cruentues quote Instead of participating in his blogs which much later you found offensive, you should have either ignored the blog or told daniel himself that you were offended


 * This is where The Cruentues is wrong, anything people say in their blogs they are going to do it on the pages. The Completest and AvP fans are not treated right on our own websites like avpgalaxy, we are laughed at, made fun off, mocked, CONSIDERED A TREATABLE ILLNESS. Their are fans on their but for the most part avp stuff is mocked a lot. IF these people want to MOCK AVP FANS AND THE MOVES AND COMPLETEST THEY CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN WIKIS OR WEBSITES. THEY ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE AVP WIKI. We will not give them anymore ground.


 * Also the guy knew full well it was offensive when he started taking my stuff and rewording the beginnings saying AVPFANBOY.


 * By the way even BMAN14 finds this blog offensive and so does anyone I talk too. What has happened is a conflict of interest.

BMAN14 quote Also, I remember the AvP Non-Cannon blog. Even though it is gone now, I agree that it was offensive. And regarding The Cruentus, I agree that what he did was unfair and wrong.

I have read everything you linked to, and I think the evidence is clear: Your block was wrongful 

The Cruentus quote you can object to my request here all you want but lets not bring arguments here,


 * No it is important they see that you are unfit to be the head admin let alone an admin. Their are plenty of noncanon alien wikis you can join. It is insane having an admin like you on the wiki that has followed me, made insults at me, allowed people to insult me, and talk about me being killed by them or warzy fans, or that I should kill myself, you only gave that person a verbal waring which is unacceptable. You have lied about me, defended the stalker inadvertently or intentionally THE LORD ONLY KNOWS, most of your false accusations do not have links, the ones that do 95% are not even fights or are bunk (THE READER CAN SEE THIS IN THE LINKS I FIRST POSTED)

HERE this is the alien anthology wiki they don't except the avp as canon youll like it their. It has reasonable people on it that I have proven to that avp and the four except mediums are canon because the trolls are to busy trolling avp websites and the avp wiki.
 * You are also quite willing to decanonize the avp part of the wiki even though THAT IS WHAT THE WIKIS MAIN THEME is.


 * Here is is the link to the prometheus wiki they asked me to edit their and I rejected because it is only about Prometheus which I could care less about. They don't talk about avp.

The Cruentus quote If he fears that me adopting the wiki will mean that I will overule the other admins and prevent him from coming back then he is wrong.


 * It's pretty well explained above, you insulted me, allowed people to insult me, followed me when I was trying to report you, slandered me, HELPED MY STALKER THE MOST GRIEVOUS THING on-purpose or inadvertently, reverted good faith edits, made rules that only I have to follow and other users don't, deceptive, a liar manipulator, reverted edits on your page to make yourself look better.


 * And in addition to those things you just don't not belong on this wiki when you have the intention of decanonizing the thing that made it come into being AVP. You won't except how the canon works in the alien predator saga, their is a place for you where the orthodox edit and that is the alienanthology wiki, they have broken canon by not excepting avp which is your thing.


 * To the reader reading this all of references for these things are in the first three links I posted.

The Cruentus quote the decision about you will still go ahead and will be done in a fair manner, I give you my word.

The Cruentus quote If you respect any of the admins there at all, you will be patient and allow us the chance to sort it all out, but you must accept the decision and its terms even if it turns out not to be the choice you wanted, is that fair?


 * You have lied to me and other people way to many times. You have also found a loop hole to keep me blocked you know full good in well three people will not be on that wiki to talk. I know full good in well that because you are very commanding that you can make people not do the right thing. Both BMAN14 and Ultmatx did and you nulled them, even though Ultmatx is higher ranked than you. Technically two people agreed to have me back. And one BMAN14 saw what you did and agreed it was wrong. And I know he will not be coming back.

--WAVE (talk) 07:44, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, there has been more than three admins on in the past and will be again, You can make me out to be the bad guy all you want, it does not change the fact you broke the rules. Three people will be on, bman is going to set a date for us admins to get together, As I said, we are going to decide, My word is something I keep.

I am not going to bother to reply to all that you just said because its just going to go on and on like it always does with you, we are simply going to agree to disagree with what our versions are and wait for the decision. As for my demeanor, I am simply not bothering to clear things up anymore, people have eyes so they should use them to read everything for themselves rather the listen to us, so what I am going to do now is simply zip it unless there is something relevant to say and wait until the decision, have the last word and carry on if you wish.

Now, I ask again, will you accept whatever decision is given and the terms with it even if it not the decision you want?

Example, should it be decided that your block stays, you must stop bugging the avp admins on their talk page/message wall on different wikis, ultimatex got fed up with that.

If the block is to stay, then it is permanent and you should move on, its not healthy to get hung up on something or hold grudges.

If its decided you are to come back on then it will be your very last chance, if you are blocked again, then it will be final so make sure you behave and source your edits which speaking of, simply knowing that something you say is true or exists does not mean you can still put it in a page without sourcing it. good faith or not, we need sources, so if you for example are adamant something like a deacon is called ultramorph then you must put a source down, I too have seen it called that as I did a search but sources are needed, part of the upcoming wiki project is to go over everything and source stuff that is not sourced. no fanon is allowed either.

To the reader, if you wish to see things for yourself just go to the http://avp.wikia.com its all there. The Cruentus (talk) 11:18, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is for the people reading this.

The Cruentues quote Now, I ask again, will you accept whatever decision is given and the terms with it even if it not the decision you want?


 * No I will not accept a decision made by an admin that has done the following.


 * Before I continue, Bert also never said that the discussion had to have three admins, nor did he say it had to involve "The Cruentues". I (meaning just me) actually think it was not meant for you "The Cruentues" to be part of because he is the cause of the problem.


 * Again this is what bert said

"The Cruentues way of handling things is not always the most productive." This was after "The Cruentues did similar things to another user on the avp wiki that he did to me.


 * Misconduct
 * Conflict of interests
 * Lied
 * Made false accusations
 * Doesn't follow their own rules they create while fighting with other users.
 * Edit wars (has done this with one other editor)
 * Harass other users esp when that user is trying to report them because of their misconduct (This has happened with one other user.
 * Has defended a really bad stalker and may have ruined a report about that stalker by defending said stalker.

All of the references to these things are in the three links at the beginning. DO NOT ALLOW THIS GUY TO ADOPT THE ALIEN VS PREDATOR WIKI. He has and very well will do these things to other users, he is also out of place on our wiki because he woundn't have a seconded thought retconing AVP which makes that wiki meaningless.


 * HE is also overstepping his bounds because their is a user on that wiki that is higher ranked than him that should be the next head admin not "The Cruentues."


 * BMAN14 is also much more fit for duty as the next head admin, he from what I have seen knows what is canon and has not insulted anyone of done any of the things "The Cruentues" does. "The Cruentues" is also over stepping his bound in the fact that if only the same ranked people where on the wiki they are to decided who is to be the head admin. This is irrelevant because we have someone that is higher ranked.

I said won't speak unless I had something relevent to say etc,so here goes. well you claim you had sources or references, this is the link to the deacon aka ultramorph page from when you last edited it. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Deacon?oldid=57653. So where are your sources and references? I see nothing at the bottom of the page, nothing and before you make some claim that it was deleted, readers can follow the link and check the history for themselves. The page needs sources for what is currently on it, I will get on that soon as I finish this post.
 * I am not going to quote the rest. He said above I didn't use a reference for the Ultramorph page I have links above showing I did. The guy is lieing a lot, please do not allow him to adopt the avp wiki. And that is just one of half a dozen maybe that I used references and he still deleted a good faith edit, like the ovamorph, predaliens from various places ect.--WAVE (talk) 20:06, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

This is what bert said in the link. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ultimatex#Recent_ban.

He says for the "admins" to sort it out themselves and we will.

End of my reply.

To the readers.

Nightmarizard never did come back and his lengthy absense is the reason for this request and as far as I am aware, I'm the most active as I monitor the wiki daily whether I am logged in or out (its possible the other admins do the same but I don't know for sure) and therefore I will never become an inactive admin, I will always be active so the wiki will be safe in my hands because as long as I am active and with bureaucrat rights, there will always be more admins, we need two new admins to help cover ground. Before nightmarizard's absense, we had planned to make one more admin, but with the absense, two will be needed. If my request to adopt the wiki and get bureaucrat rights is rejected, I then ask that it goes to troopdude, ultimatex or any admin that is visibly the most active as a bureaucrat needs to be active, an inactive bureaucrat is worse than an inactive admin or member because there is no one to make new admins. I do not wish the avp wiki to become adminless again. In my hands, avp wiki will always be an avp wiki and an active, sourced wiki at that. Should I get the approval and the bureaucrat rights, I will find two active decent members to become admins and I will give one of the current admins bureaucrat rights as before nightmarizard left, there was to be two bureaucrats other than him and four or five normal admins and then we will begin a long overdue wiki project to sort stuff out. The Cruentus (talk) 21:00, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

@WikiCommunityCentral:

Cruentues quote So where are your sources and references?


 * The Cruentues is not going out of his pay to pretend he didn't see a reference.

The name should be changed to the name that it was given in the 3d blu-ray special features disc. Ridley Scott calls it a Ultramorph. As it was put by one of the production staff it is an alien that comes from a Engineer. It is just a baby but it will be bigger stronger and more developed than a human born Xenomorph.


 * The Cruentues reply to this is

You did not provide sources yet again, can anyone confirm what the above said? I have found some pages with ultramorph on such as http://www.3dartistonline.com/image/13623/deacon_prometheus_ultramorph and http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/3650/the-xenomorphs-death-life/p1and http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/10587 but a better or more direct source would be good and another wiki says it is from the dvd, can anyone confirm this?




 * I must stress that at this moment "The Cruentues is now adding references to the Ultramorph page, possible to make himself look better.

(cur | prev) 21:24, October 26, 2012‎ The Cruentus (Talk | contribs)‎. . (3,887 bytes) (+192)‎. . (Added sources.) 

Date and time of last post on this request to adopt avpwiki The Cruentus (talk) 21:00, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * He add references 24min after he complained here (falsely) that I had no reference for the Ultramorph.

The Cruentus quote This is what bert said in the link. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ultimatex#Recent_ban.

He says for the "admins" to sort it out themselves and we will.


 * You will notice that he did not put this request on "The Cruentus page.


 * To wiki central I have been drug through the mud, slandered, followed, and falsely silenced by this guy, who has done these things. I am posting them again because I don't want it to be snowballed by "The Cruentus"


 * Misconduct
 * Conflict of interests
 * Lied
 * Made false accusations
 * Doesn't follow their own rules they create while fighting with other users.
 * Edit wars (has done this with one other editor)
 * Harass other users esp when that user is trying to report them because of their misconduct (This has happened with one other user.
 * Has defended a really bad stalker and may have ruined a report about that stalker by defending said stalker.

All of the references to these things are in the three links at the beginning. DO NOT ALLOW THIS GUY TO ADOPT THE ALIEN VS PREDATOR WIKI. He has and very well will do these things to other users, he is also out of place on our wiki because he woundn't have a seconded thought retconing AVP which makes that wiki meaningless.


 * HE is also overstepping his bounds because their is a user on that wiki that is higher ranked than him that should be the next head admin not "The Cruentues."

--WAVE (talk) 21:56, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Deacon?oldid=57653. No cited sources on the page at all. No reflists or anything, even quotes from crew have to be sourced. There are no links except ones that lead to indiviual pages on the wiki. i.e link prometheus would lead to prometheus (film).

I added sources recently because while I was looking for your sources not only did I not find yours but I found no sources at all, this had to be rectified. Wikis go by sources, there may be dozens of pages unsourced and this is why we need more admins. The Cruentus (talk) 22:30, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Response
Hi. This entire conversation is completely unnecessary in terms of an adoption. There is an active bureaucrat, Ultimatex, who can promote any further admins or bureaucrats needed on the wiki. The wiki is therefore not eligible for adoption.

T1154th, if you wish to file a complaint about this admin, then I recommend you talk to some of the other admins on the wiki rather than arguing here. -- Wendy (talk ) 03:41, November 3, 2012 (UTC)