Thread:Qwertyxp2000 the second/@comment-1807002-20160409185025/@comment-1807002-20160414045813

Well I would assume either you or Forevakill just with time/edits in. But you probably should first see if the current admins will promo someone on their own in a forum discussion (or at least not let another situation like the conflict happen again, more compromising and having community feedback on site wide decisions), and why you think another admin is needed and how it will benefit the community (remember you are trying to win the community and the admins, try not to bring up the conflict in particular and if they do kept your points to the point and don`t let them get you turn it into a debate).

List reason even pre-conflict that make you think it is a good idea to have another admin. and what kind of admin the admins should consider (a more community relations admin, a more active admin, etc). Don't try to say it is because they are bad, maybe that it is too much for only two admins for the wiki to get the proper attention and maintenance it needs.

If they say no and dismiss you and the entire community, then in a new forum thread on your own and ask community for input, a list potentials, set up a pure community vote and then re-propose to the admins after the community is done (give a full week for that forum vote (full week is usual guidelines)), if admins still say no (or try to stop/ban or block the attempt) put in a ticket saying: you asked the admins to promote another admin on their own because clearly the current admins either do not have the time or want to put int he time for needed admin maintenance and they said no (and with no compromise to be more attentive more community friendly).

And then in that ticket ask if staff will promo for you or if you should next step admin removal discussion (hopefully it won't come to that but if the admins slam every door in the communities face staff should eventually step in). But you'd need a strong backing from the community. You'd need like all thumbs up from community about the admin vote and admin choice or worst case admin removal.

But if the community is scared to speak up or against the admins try to identify that, some people stay clear of drama and let a community fall apart around them and they just stay and let it get rebuilt- they don't care because it doesn't effect them much. That is why you have to try to not make it about that conflict unless last resort listings reason for admin removal (if it even gets that far/bad). Make everything about positive good improvements that can be achieved, glossing over the recent drama.

Just make sure you have all of this in forum threads so the whole community is involved or at least can be involved (not walls/but feel free to personally invite certain people via walls as long as it doesn't look like spam). Then when you ticket link all the forum threads with the community discussions. If the admins truly are behaving bad again then link the original conflict (but only as a last resort). You want to come across as collected and not too begrudged, with the wiki and the community as your priority and that peace talks and compromises didn't work.

Just remember you are representing the community because your admins are dismissing the community- which makes for a negative environment/scares away good editors and that you have good intentions in improving the wiki and admin/community relations, not drama (cause admins might throw that in your face). And only are taking further steps because discussion/talks didn't work and if you don't take these steps you feel the wiki will only get worse.


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