Thread:Ursuul/@comment-6769189-20210115095346

Hello Ursuul, I apologize for this essay and the walls of text that you may or may not read for full context, has been about 2 weeks in the making. Perhaps i should have come sooner.

For a little bit of context about me, have been a wiki editor for 9 years and an admin on the Devil May Cry Wiki for 6 years and i have never had this bad an expierence on a wiki. Im not dropping my tenure/position to brag or for clout, but to establish that i am not new to wiki editing and that im not talking out of my butt when i speak of admin behavior.

I bring this issue to you because you are an outsider to the situation and are (presumably) unbiased. The (up to) 10 year long relationships amongst admins and mods on the Bleach wiki very clearly comes with a bias in favor of one another. I also trust you will also tell me if i am being unreasonable.

I believe that the behavior of multiple admins/mods are not in line with these principles and best practices:
 * "Admins should be friendly guides"
 * "Ideally, admins should use their tools to carry out the will of the community."
 * "Admins should not be thought of as bosses or rulers, but as guides who are no more or less important or influential than any other user in the community."
 * "What this means is that admins don't make the rules alone and don't make unilateral decisions."

I am and a long time fan of Bleach and i noticed that the ability Getsuga Tensho was missing Ginjo as a user. I was going to add him but there was here was an editor's note saying not to add him. After reviewing the talk page, i seen that the last time the subject was discussed was nearly a decade ago based on a definition of what it meant to be a user that was created by bureaucrat Salubri and not the series itself. I made a highly critical post (no personal attacks or innapropriate language) of the practice that left relevant information excluded. The post was deleted without any kind of possibility of discussion on the subject by admin Xilinoc

When i pointed out that deleting my post wasnt in line with their own wiki's policies, (admittedly with snark) i was accused of trash talking the wiki and the admins/mods, as well as attempting to start an edit war (this was due to a misunderstanding on my part that I explained)

Then admin Sunxia joined in to back up Xil, very apparently not having looked into the situation from the beginning and conflating my post on Xil's talk page with the post on Getsuga Tensho's talk page. Once again, i am accused of trash talk and purposefully starting an edit war. Mod Lemurrs gets involved and is really condescending, minimizing the issues i raised

I tried to address Bureaucrat Salubri. In response, Mod Timjer basically says i should get over it and move on. Admin Yyp eventually joins and informs me that Salubri is inactive. Yyp addresses a few issues fairly calm and we find some common ground, however he doesnt address any of the other admins directly for their questionable behavior. I suggest a round of apologies to squash any tension, but that doesnt lead anywhere.

Yyp finds merit in the original argument i proposed and creates a post to discuss updates to the page and what information should be added. Over the course of 5 days there is some back and forth with Yyp and Xilinoc making changes throughout the discussions. Seeing as how Xilinoc was person on the talk page disagreed with adding Ginjo as a user, I followed Yyp's lead and I added it. Xilinoc reverts the edit, claiming the discussion is still ongoing and accused me of imposing my will on the wiki., then locks the page. I think it is important to note here that a general consensus had been established 4 days prior: Ginjo is a user and should be added to the page.

I then approached Xil about how many people needed to agree before making a change and how long we had to wait before making a change. Apparently there were discussions happening off the wiki on discord that i was unaware of (I popped in there and couldnt verify such a conversation occurred.) Not that it mattered because it was still 4:3 in favor of adding Ginjo. Unfortunately this conversation takes place over 2 talk pages and may be awkward to follow. My initial post and responses: Xilinoc's responses:

I then pointed out that changes were being made on the page despite the supposed "ongoing discussion" rule and that it is against Wiki Admin best practices/philosophies for admins to have different sets of rules, and Xilinoc reverts the edit, and accuses me of impersonating an admin and harssment. 

I contacted Yyp again as i believe he is the only person with a modicum of objectivity but honestly but i have little faith that will lead anywhere. Lemursrule jumped in again. Minimizing the issues i bring up, again. And implies that i should learn to be a better admin, again. 