User talk:Angela

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Help!
Could you put my wikis on wikia? Please! Because nobody ever visits them! Thanks, --Bigman602 03:31, December 21, 2009 (UTC)Bigman602!


 * Yes - please can you send me links to them? Angela (talk) 03:33, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

They are Penguins of Madagasgar & Avatar The Last Airbender! Thanks, --Bigman602 15:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)Bigman602!


 * I thought you meant you wanted to move a wiki to Wikia. Can you explain what you mean by "put my wikis on wikia" please? Do you mean spotlights? Angela (talk) 21:04, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ya. I did mean the spotlights. When you said move your wiki to wikia I ment the spotlights. Thanks, --Bigman602 01:28, December 22, 2009 (UTC)Bigman602!


 * Ok, well check out the rules for spotlights on that page and then just add your request when you're ready. Angela (talk) 01:32, December 22, 2009 (UTC)`

Are you a admin? Thanks, --Bigman602 01:38, December 22, 2009 (UTC)!


 * Angela co-founded the website. Saebjorn 05:07, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they can be spotlighted, as they need to have minimum 100 articles. One has 9 and the other 11. -- Shadow Na'vi  Talk    My Workload  15:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Wikia iPhone Version
Hi Angela, will there be a Wikia version for an iPhone or Blackberry? I have an iPod Touch, and whenever I enter a wiki, it is a mess, no background, words everywhere, etc. I think that you should do a version for an iPhone, as I'am not the only person with that problem, I guess. -- Shadow Na'vi  Talk    My Workload  03:36, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is a mobile skin in use now and plans to improve that next year. See the chick skin. Angela (talk) 03:40, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * There's also the useskin=wikiaphone version. Angela (talk) 00:34, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Futility
Look at my wiki, Futility! --Smittia (Nathan Whiskas) 16:50, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like you've made a good start at dissolutesfutility.wikia.com. The next step is to add some text to the home page to tell people what the wiki is all about. Angela (talk) 00:23, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

New Messages
Hi Angela,

Everytime I look on Wikia, it says I have new messages, but when I look, I don't have any. Can you help me to get rid of this.

Greetings

--Croon 00:13, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about this - it is a known bug for Dutch users. It might go away if you log out and then log in again. We hope to fix it this week. Angela (talk) 00:19, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

User Trouble
Dear Angela,

On the Sonic wiki there is a former admin named Launchballer who has created a template to use to intentionally crash other people's computers. This, in my opinion, is unethical. I request that he be banned wiki wide due to the fact that the beaurecrats on the wiki have given him many chances to take down the template and he did not respond to them.

Thank you,

The Chosen   One Of  Fire


 * Has the template been deleted now? He can be blocked sitewide if he does similar things on other wikis. Do you know if that has happened? If not, a block just on the sonic wiki should be enough - it may be worth extending the length of the block as this sort of thing is totally unacceptable. Angela (talk) 01:52, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The template was directly aimed at vandals, so that whenever they try and load a page the window won't show and their browser will stop responding.-- 20:36, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * That is unacceptable. If a vandal is a problem, they get blocked from editing, taking measures to harm their browser or computer is not a solution. -- 21:42, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's to stop them from editing again. If I cannot access their IP address and rangeblock them, if they use too many ranges or are too big (/16 range blocks 65,536 users in one blow) I'll have to find other ways in order avoid excessive collateral damage.-- 09:46, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Editthis.info
Perhaps you should apologize. Editthis.info isn't dead anymore. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 04:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of their wikis have actually not come back up, but I've sent an email to Rob about it. There's nothing to take down - I think he's just talking about the npfit wiki which was already deleted after a demo wiki was set up for the owner of it to review. Angela (talk) 12:52, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright. Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Chinese website group needs a Chinese contact person
Leaves job after KJ, Chinese website group becomes to the Wikia contact demand very difficult. Although has probationer Ziyi, but he very busy is unable to contact promptly frequently, causes some technical demand nobody to be possible to instruct perhaps assists to contact processing.

Whether Wikia can give up Chinese website group?-- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 07:30, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * If there is another Chinese user that speaks English, I'd be happy for them to join Wikia as an intern. Do you know anyone that wants to do that? Angela (talk) 12:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I did not know that which familiar English friend has, but User:Leeyc0 he is zh-hk Uncyclopedia duty assists our User, moreover his work is very busy is unable to have the unnecessary time to assist the transmit message.
 * Moreover by Chinese's disposition, I thought that very little has is willing to accept does not have the wage practice work good person.-- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 13:23, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Question
Its Over 9000 Perdon hase as a template--GTAIVish 13:21, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Could you explain what you mean please? Angela (talk) 23:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Administrators Gone Wild!
Hey Angela, PLEASE, PLEASE bann or block Joeyaa, Omnibender, and The 888th Avatar are harrassing me and abusing thier powers. Joeyaa is always giving me mean comments and blocked me for sockpuppetry, just because I wasn't logged in! Omnibender is always giving me threats and blocked me for vandalism, just because I edited a page he loved! The 888th Avatar blocked 2 pages just because he didn't want me editing them! Now you see they all hate me! They all blocked, because they hate me except The 888th, he blocked 2 pages because he hates me! I'm getting real aggervated, annoyed, and irritated! I would really appreciate I if you would bann or block these 3. Thanks, --Bigman602 14:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, please stop asking that. Those are trusted users and they're doing nothing wrong. Angela (talk) 23:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Trying to Make a Wiki
Hello, Administrator Angela, I am Youngla0450 and I got a problem. I went to "Create a wiki", filled out the information, and it was supposed to create the wiki, but it said "Process not completed, error". I have tried about four times and the same message popped up every time. What do I do? I really want to create my own wiki. --Larry Young 19:06, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've replied on User talk:Youngla0450. Angela (talk) 23:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I have submitted the message for help to build the wiki and included the ideas you told me to include. Please respond to this and that message. --Larry Young 23:36, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Please demote the following users with 'demote' near their comments. From UnMario Wiki
Smiddle (Crat) - Has done many editions, however the only thing I remember from him was the Alex25/Linkzelda/Mr. Guy incident back in October of 2008. (He's basically gone. demote)

Purple Ninjakoopa (Sysop, Crat) - It's you, 1,600 edits.

Lario (Crat) -Older Mr. Guy account. - demote

Mr. Guy (Crat, Sysop) - held UnMario for 3 years, had some rivarly with BTK, but nothing serious.

Superluigi821 (Crat) - The original creator, but totally inactive,last considerable action of his was during the Waddle Doo incident in August of 2008 - demote

The Missing Link (sysop) - Totally inactive. Demote

YellowYoshi398 (Sysop, Crat) - Totally inactive, but made very few edits back in middle. 2008. Demote

Stooben Rooben (Sysop) - Spammed in November, made one article, did nothing but criticize and cause mischief. Demote (I'll have to think on this one.)

Alex25 (Sysop, Crat) - Very active in 2008, kind to most users. Left because he's very busy with school and RL stuff

Tsepelcory (Sysop, Crat) - Editted alot but made some few mistakes.

MasterVir (sysop, Crat) - Randomly promoted. demote. (Actually, Mr. Guy gave this guy and Poff sysop. Poff, hell no, but this guy I think I wanna keep)

Poff (Sysop, Crat) - Causing mischief and the CHAOS. demote

javilus (sysop, Crat) - IDK about him. demote

Family guy freak 2 (Sysop, Crat) - IDK about him (Got promoted randomly. Demote)

Mcfan2 (Sysop, Crat) - He's a very new use. IDK about him. - demote

HannahTheSurvivor (Crat) - ... demote.

PichuKirby (Crat) - made edits in May,April of 2009. Inactive. Randomly promoted. Demote

Konnichiwa (Crat) - sockpuppet of Stooben Rooben used to SPAM unmario in november. demote

1929crash (Crat) - Made many edits, blocked twice. However has done useful things until his third account. This account is not used. demote

Yoshikoopa (Sysop, Crat) - new user. demote

Registeel999 (Sysop, Crat) - made some edits in 2009. (Maybe keep. Not sure)

DarkenMalleo111 (Sysop, Crat) - causing block wars, demote

Wikia (sysop) - wtheck? it's a bot! demote

LegoPerson96 (Sysop) - Who's this ?, demote

Lacw (Crat) - My dutch friend, she's pretty cool and kind, but didn't want to join. demote

Isa TKM Project (Crat) - demote

Bowser The King (Crat) - Came in July 31st, made very good articles,had problems with Mr. Guy and Mr. Yellow. Promote when she's back. (We're demoting her for now. IF she returns, sysop probably.)

The Hater in Wikia 00:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Making sure: Smiddle, Lario, Superluigi821, YellowYoshi398, Poff, Family guy freak 2, Mcfan2, PichuKirby, HannahTheSurvivor, Konnichiwa, 1929crash, Yoshikoopa, DarkenMalleo111, Wikia, LegoPerson96, Lacw, and Isa TKM Project all get demoted from everything. Tsepelcory, Javilus, Registeel999, and maybe MasterVir lose crat status but keep sysop.

The Hater in Wikia 00:28, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've sent this using special:contact for you as huge requests like this can not be dealt with properly on user talk pages. Angela (talk) 00:36, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Is there...
Some kind of way to make text that admins can see but regular users can't? So a way for admins to talk without the notice of regular users about admin-related stuff? - W112  (Talk) 


 * You can't do that on the wiki, but you could make a private mailing list for admins using a tool such as Google Groups. Angela (talk) 02:07, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

User:Mr. Floyd
Dear Angela, please read this. He irritates me and he never stops | CartoonistHenning 02:15, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

UnMario demotions
so when the demotions will start ? The Hater in Wikia 03:13, December 23, 2009 (UTC) I just finished deleting endless useless pages a 'crat made -________-' The Hater in Wikia 03:13, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Pl Conlang
Im terribly sorry to bother you, but it seems that on the Polish Conlanger Wiki (http://pl.conlang.wikia.com) the only bureaucrat does not respond. I asked for the sysop and perhaps bureaucrat on this wiki for several reasons, beginning from greater involvment in wiki than in our forum (I had a lot of ideas that came true: numerating conlangs, conworlds, books, quotes, featured articles and more) ending with the fact that I was a root admin of the previous Conlanger Wiki server. Other users agreed on that. If you still don't trust me, just give bureaucrat to our active sysop Paweł Ciupak. Thank you. RWHÔ 08:07, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Deletions
How do I change a deletion reason ? The Hater in Wikia 14:41, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you mean an already deleted page, you can't. Unless you restore the page, and then delete it again. If you mean change the "default" reasons used to delete a page, you'd need to edit MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown on your wiki. -- 14:42, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Username Change
Hi Angela, is there a way that I can change my username without deleting my contributions? -- Shadow Na'vi  Talk    My Workload  18:42, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * No, sorry. Usernames aren't changed on Wikia due to the shared user database. -- 18:43, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

the "gif" image display is unusual
Uploads gif in the Wikia website the image to be unable the normal demonstration, please look at the example;

File:Imagesparis2iz.gif

This is originally the size.

How should such unusual circumstance solve?-- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 06:06, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought this was a bug, but it's not. The image is animated, so the thumbnail will only show one frame of that animation. The first frame lasts a long time and then changes and shows other images including the one you see in the thumbnail. Automatic thumbnailing does not usually work for animations on Wikia. Angela (talk) 07:26, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * But, before October uploads the picture is normal, after November started to be unusual, whether to invite the technical personnel checkout system. Because zh.uncyclopedia.wikia.com needs to use dynamic gif frequently image Kuso. -- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 08:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please look that this website page also has a dynamic gif image, when I attempt changes this image the size, the image will occur exceptionally, therefore please assist to deal with this issue.-- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 08:43, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * In late October it was coded so that it only shows the first frame when assigned dimensions. See http://trac.wikia-code.com/changeset/14382 It was obviously done to stop errors from occurring. Joey (talk) 10:05, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ask whether to have the means breaching of obstacles? Because the present hypothesis is not convenient, because Uncyclopedia is the lively Kuso website, and has half Uncyclopedia is uses Wikia the server. Therefore hoped that Wikia can understand Uncyclopedia the nature and the demand, assist the debug with every effort. -- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 11:00, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I thought that to Wikia proposed the question demand and the support, are the excuses which frequently only then explained that but not solves the question means.

Moreover the communication way is not convenient, is unable the question and the demand by the correct complete way expression. -- 黑底屍 （ &#9742;找我&#9742; ） 08:34, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page Transparency
Hi Angela, I wanted to know if there's a way that the main page is completely transaprent. In my wiki (http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki) there's a starfield background, but I would like it to have no color, so it can show all the starfield. Right now it is transparent, but I want it completely transparent. Is there a way to do that? -- Shadow Na'vi  Talk    My Workload  16:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. Uberfuzzy is a better person to ask about CSS issues, or you can send a message using special:contact for faster help. Angela (talk) 10:03, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Mass Effect Wiki
Hi! I am an administrator of the Russian Mass Effect Wiki. Can you grant a bot flag to my bot — ZSbot? --ZooL SmoK 07:10, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Uberfuzzy. --ZooL SmoK 08:08, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Just an idle Question.
If your the co- founder, who's the founder?--User:RedemptionUltima 07:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * This should have all your answers Wikia --Uberfuzzy 07:37, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

WikiNation
You are, I believe, the user who has blocked both my IP-adress, aswell as that of another user and my account, at the site Wikination. You did this because a user by the name of Pierlot asked for this. But he himself, this Pierlot, is also a known vandal. I was reverting his vandalism, and doing so, I made some rather mean commenst in my edit summaries as I was very pissed off. Anyways, I cannot request for an unblock at my own wikia since I cannot edit my talk page for a month and I haven't selected an e-mail adress yet. I would like to ask you to block User:Pierlot aswell, because he was just as wrong as I am. And the sockpuppetry of which I find myself being accused, is a blatant lie. The site I am talking about is: http://nation.wikia.com/

On it, you blocked two IP's: one of those was mine, the other one wasn't. The account you blocked was mine. You should also block the account by the name of Pierlot. Thanks in advance. Dr. Magnus 14:53, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * My humble opinion as site administrator of Wikination is that User:Pierlot has done little harm, and none of the site admins sees reason to block him. Both Pierlot and User:Pierius Magnus were warned, but only Pierius Magnus did abuse multiple accounts (he has a history of sockpuppetry at Wikipedia and several Wikias) and use highly provocative language.
 * I see no reason to block User:Pierlot. 17:04, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Again, this is only your opinion, Dimitri. The thing is, Pierlot also has a history of vandalism and horrible cursing and threatening at other wikia's. He has shown over there that he has done nothing but bad and unconstructive edits. He can contribute in a decent way, but usually chooses not to. Ask fellow wikia staffmember Sannse. I contacted her several times about Pierlot, and not just me, other people did aswell. She can tell you that he has a history of severe vandalism from multiple other sites. We both did vandalism. For which, I admit, I deserved to receive a block. However for him (Pierlot) to get away with it, hurts me. I believe it to be very unfair. Dr. Magnus 21:37, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * The block was due to sockpuppeting, not at the request of Pierlot. Angela (talk) 23:00, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * He has two accounts: "Pierlot" and "McCrooke", and uses them both. He is also a sockpuppeteer, so he could be blocked on the same charges. And then, I deny being a sockpuppeteer, as the IP-adresses of the two accounts (Pierius Magnus and William Johnson) don't match anyway. Dr. Magnus 07:36, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * How would you know they don't match? I didn't block you because of any connection between you and William but because of the other 2 accounts that do share your details. Angela (talk) 08:27, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I may have had other accounts. But I never edited with them or misused my accounts with polls and things. It could have been accounts from other wikia's I brought along with me... And remember, Pierlot has three accounts:"Pierlot, McCrooke, Piercet" and probably even more. He is a known vandal on several wikia's, so he also deserves to be blocked. If he gets blocked it will also keep him from vandalising my pages when I am blocked, and unable to revert his actions. You understand? ;) Dr. Magnus 08:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * User:McCrooke and possible others accounts once used by Pierlot are no longer being used. 08:46, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

And I am only using one account, which is "Pierius Magnus"... so we both have sockpuppets, but neither one of us is using them. So you either unblock me, or block Pierlot aswell! :) Dr. Magnus 08:48, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Note
I have responded to what you requested: the name of the wiki I want to create, it's category, sub-topic, and such. However, I have waited and I have no response. Can you please, as soon as your able (I live in America, so big diffrences in time) read my message (from larryyoung96@yahoo.com) and then e-mail me when the wiki is set up and give me a link, please. --Brenda Young 19:59, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've sent you an email about the new wiki. Angela (talk) 23:00, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Abuse of Administrator Power: Halo Legends
Dear Angela,

Sorry if this is not the proper place for me to discuss this but it appears I've been put under an unfair block from an administrator of Halo Legends. I have not perform any kind of hostile or ridiculous behaviour in the wiki and I've only created my first article, yet I've been placed into a ban of 1337 years without any warning or reasoning.

Please check the following:
 * http://halolegends.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/block

Cheers and have a happy Christmas.外国 人 (7alk ) 23:25, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you please inspect the administrators in Halo Legends? Most, if not all, of them abused their rights purely for fun/biased opinion based on the Block Log.外国 人 (7alk ) 23:56, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sometimes it's easier to start a new wiki instead of dealing with that, but if you'd like some advice, I recommend that you send details of the dispute using special:contact. Angela (talk) 06:54, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

UnMarioWiki problems with a user
I checked the block log and Poff is abuseing his powers. Please desysop him. --68.197.16.37 23:27, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * There have been various reports of problems on that wiki so please send details using special:contact so the reports can be kept together in one place. It makes it easier for the person dealing with it to see the full extent of the problem that way. Angela (talk) 06:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Angela
Angela, are you the same Angela that blocked me at wikination? You have blocked not only my account, but also you have blocked my IP-adress which is 94.212.216.150. You said this was because of sockpuppetry, which is abusing multiple accounts, but I feel you have made a mistake. You see, I have another account: "Dani Yusef-Ali Baba", from another wikia. I used it to edit on wikination, but this week I made a new account under the name of William Johnson (this one). So indeed, I have two accounts, but the oldest one is no longer active. I believe you have made a mistake blocking me, and since I can no longer even edit my own talk page, I came here. I hope you will look into my case again and unblock my IP adress, 94.212.216.150, and my account "William Johnson", can you do that for me? William Johnson 11:55, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * This reads alot like Pierius unblock thing 12:26, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Angela the ip adresses from the users have done very bad things at wikipeda. Again some evidence   12:40, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

That I did vandalism at wikipedia does not mean I did vandalism at Wikination, remember that. Look into my actions as William Johnson, and into the actions I have done so far under my IP-adress and you will see no vandalism on any wikia. I left wikipedia forever, I am now a wikiaman! But I cannot even e-mail, or edit my own personal talk page on any of my accounts. Will you unblock me, Angela? I have nothing to do with Pierius Magnus, I am serious contributor. Besides, there is also something as a "shared IP". 94.212.216.150 12:52, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why does the IP adress of Pierius Magnus and that of you both register then you as part of the Haren college?. That is really duister. Also your edits are really the same like Pierius. 12:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Pierlot, you are not a moderator at wikination, right? Then you have nothing to do with this discussion, I want you to leave this discussion alone. You have nothing to do with it. 94.212.216.150 13:46, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * You also not 14:01, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I have nothing to do with this discussion? How come? After all, you are not the one who is blocked! And I cannot even edit my own talk page at wikination because of this nonsense... this really isn't helping me at all. Can you help me, Pierlot? Will you talk to the wikination moderators, and ask them to allow me to edit my own talk page? Otherwise I can never explain. You people are making a big mistake here. 94.212.216.150 14:03, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Pierlot is a vandal, he has vandalised numerous websites and now he got Pierius Magnus banned, who is a fine user and innocent of vandalism. Could you, angela, block pierlot crosswikia, for he still does awful vandalism. At wikination.com he has three sockpuppets: Pierlot, Piercet and McCrooke. User Pierius Magnus, and William Johnson were banned there for no reason. 15:53, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * There IS a reson. You seem brainwashed by Pierius 16:04, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Charges for Pierius at wikination {These have been given by DimiTalen, a admin from that site): 16:08, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppetry:
 * Abusive use of User:86.89.146.118
 * Possible sockpuppetry using User:William Johnson
 * Intimidation and harassment:
 * Very provocative language:
 * pierlot, fuck off you dirty no good asshole vandal bastard
 * no, he is not, i have no sockpuppets, you leave other peoples pages alone pierlot, you troll, always vandalising, you never learned your lesson, wait for the crosswikia bann you no good bastard
 * i have no sockpuppets pierlot you are making shit up because you hate me, because you were a dirty asshole and a vandal at Wikistad and you never forgot that I was the one who banned you, stupid fuck
 * you and dimitri are both vandals. you are hating pierius magnus, that is why you are doing this. you want him to be blocked, but you know he does not deserve it. You, pierlot, are a vandal and a sockpuppeteer 16:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dimitri a vandal? No and my sockpuppets arent used anymore, while Pierius still uses them 16:12, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pierius doesn't have any sockpuppets. 20:18, December 26, 2009 (UTC)