User talk:Killr833/Petition

Hmm, there are a lot of signatures. This might not be the right place but since Wikia says that not many people use the shoutbox because it's in the widget dashboard, how about making the shoutbox visible to everyone, possibly IP adresses. Shoutbox is the best way of communication in smaller wikis that can't have IRC activity all the time. Just look at the petition, are you really going to ignore so many people? --D P

Letting the unregistered on the ShoutBox? That would cause a hell that I do not want to imagine about... all the vandals ... can without anything to stop them... post their .... un-delicious spam. X_o save me... (—Sporesauce) 17:22, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ok ok, letting IPs chat would be a stupid idea. I crossed it out. DP 19:19, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikia Staff, you hypocrites, you have, for years, criticized me for centralizing and consolidating power into a sort of mandated dictatorship on the CPW and CPFW. Every one of you yelled at me that "Wikia is a community and everyone is equal.". WOE TO YOU, YOU HYPOCRITES! See how you shove hated new items down our throats, against our will, angering over one hundred undersigned Masses who have petitioned, to you, a document that you will ignore! You have no right to criticize the speck of consolidated power in my eye when you have this whole tree of forced skin and shotbox removals lodged in your eye. Your hypocracy sickens me. It SICKENS ME. I would be ashame if I disrespected my customers this much. What matter more? Us, or your agenda? -- † TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! † :) :) HERE OUR VOICE, WE WANT CHOICE!! 19:20, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Turtle, that above rant is ridiculous. And Wikia is a community, tyranny is ignorant.  01:57, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I completely agree TurtleShroom!!! -- Chill Was Here!   Talk To Chill!  21:14, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

What a great example you give us, Wikia. I will too change the skin of the wikis where I'm an admin. I won't ask anyone, just make blogs about it. When people say I'm ignoring them I'll say "No I'm not, I'm actually reading all the comments" DP 19:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd like to bring up the following points -


 * 1) We are not Wikia's customers. Google and whoever runs the ads are. We don't have any say on the matter. Wikia are over there working their asses off to make Wikia wikis a more user-friendly experience. I think they know what they are doing.
 * 2) You cannot judge the whole new layout on one screenshot. It's where the elementary saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" comes into play.
 * 3) "TurtleShroom", your religious reference is completely unnecessary. I don't know where that comes into this. Remove it.
 * 4) On this shoutbox issue, I never saw the bonus of it - IRC is where discussions should take place, not a little widget which doesn't show more than 20 entries or whatever.

Please re-consider your beliefs, Wikia are doing this for the betterment of Wikia wikis. Why would they continue regardless of all the opposition? Obviously they know it will benefit wikis, and as Wikia staff, they know best. Good day. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 19:59, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * What if you don't know how to use the IRC? The problem is choice. Wikia is shoving this skin and everything about it down our throats and giving absolutely no respect to those little communities that don't like that skin. To assume that Wikia knows better than most of its users is ludicrous. Have you read their blogs, have you seen the wrath exhibited? Look above you, because there are over one hundred users who are angered by this choice. Then, when you're done here, go to Total Drama Island Fanon and see THEIR list of grievances. The Masses are angered, and you just be really ignorant to think that Wikia forcing this on us is good for all of us. Not all of us want this. As for the moving, we can use another site or place to stand our Wiki back up, and continue to do the job just as well, or better, than Wikia themselves. (The CPFW has friends that know how to do that.)


 * -- † TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! † :) :) HERE OUR VOICE, WE WANT CHOICE!! 20:19, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S.: Why does everyone whine about my signature? As my mother says, suck it up. Disregard what I sign my posts with, beause I am not forcing you to convert, nor am I attacking you. I am saying that Jesus loves you and that He died for you. That's it. There's no coercion in that statement.


 * Counterpoints -


 * 1) If they are working to make it user-friendly, they should pay attention to what the users want.
 * 2) We aren't talking about the layout. This is about taking the shoutbox being taken away. While I dislike the layout, I'm not deeply opposed to it as long as it has the shoutbox. I request that you get your facts straight before you do this kind of thing.
 * 3) I'm not going to address this one. Not my problem.
 * 4) It's 50. Also, why exactly do you think that? The IRC has a number of distinct disadvantages: it violates privacy by displaying IP addresses, is less convenient than the shoutbox because it cannot be viewed on the same page as the wiki's content and cannot use wiki markup such as links using square brackets, and has an enormous potential for discussing things behind others' backs, which in turn creates unnecessary drama.

Please reconsider your beliefs. Wikia may think that this will be better for wikis, but it's not. Also, your logic is faulty; continuing with something in the face of massive disapproval from the affected people does not make one right. Until they procure the evidence that allows them to know that this is best, I will remain opposed. So far, the rationale has been that almost no one uses widgets, but this is patently untrue. Also, I sincerely doubt that being a member of wikia staff grants one omniscience. Good day. - Is drak  thül  20:32, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Lets analyze this;

If the shoutbox is removed, there is the option of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). It would increase IRC activity, as its more efficient than the shoutbox. However, the problem with IRC is the timezones. Many people barely use IRC, as the shoutbox is a more convenient way to talk to users on a wiki.

Personally, I think the IRC is more convenient than the shoutbox. Shoutboxes need to be constantly refreshed to see messages, whereas IRC does not. IRC has numerous other benefits as well, compared to the shoutbox, such as channel op, bot scripts, and other benefits. Though I sympathize with the people that are angry about the shoutbox being taken away, you must realize that there are other ways of communication than just the shoutbox.  http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1254/lockkey.png  ZoneKill    T   C   E    00:38, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are, but none are as convenient. - Is drak  thül  00:43, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, ZK, you do realize not everyone can get to IRC? And when they do, it's confusing for new users and they need a long walkthrough (registering, channels, rules, blech), and you don't need to be on it 24/7 in order to track the conversation. The Shout Bawx ("bawx" is Acepedia slang) is much more convenient. It refreshes every time you view a page, which it should because you are likely editing at the time and viewing/reloading pages. IRC's still good, but S.B. is easier.  --Havoc '48   01:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * IRC is better. Plus all the things of registering and stuff are optional, though a good idea. Also, tabbed browsing and FoxSplitter is your friend. You people need to get off you're complaining buttocks and you the better way. --Zapwire (dial the waaaambulance) 15:21, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Is there an against section to this petition as I would like to sign that. ☆ The   Solar   Dragon  ☆ 14:33, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Petitions normally don't have an oppose section... then it would be more of a 'request'. Rappy 16:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Zapwire/Petition, but now has been somewhat supplanted by this. --Zapwire (dial the waaaambulance) 14:19, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * You do know (hopefully), you can justy remove it. Iamred1

It's sad that wikia is switching to a new skin that will remove all the hard work we're doing, but It's not like we have any say in it. Wikia is not a service provided to us. It is a service provided by us. We are supposed to be people that edit and improve wikis for the masses. But yes, wikias are also communities, and communities like to, well, communicate. The talk page does not have the ability of real time communication, where as the shoutbox nearly does. Without the shoutbox, users have no place for idle communication. Since the popularization of the shoutbox on wikis I admin/frequent, I have witnessed a mass move from talk page communication to delivering messages via the shoutbox. Without it, many users will see no reason to participate in wikia any longer and we will lose a large and valuable portion of our users.

Is it worth it? That's up to you. --Martin II The Mad Poet  23:34, October 13, 2010 (UTC)