Template talk:Animangafooter/12

=May=

Title order in the seasonal lists
I noticed that last version of the Spring 2011 was alphabetized, but the ones for summer, fall, and winter were not and the current spring list is not. Are there are any reasons why the order seems to have gone away from alphabetical to seemingly random? Broken Sphere (Talk) 19:25, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

=July=

The "all" subsection
So the Template:Animangafooter/all section now has over 300 entries. It's a bit much, and I'm thinking of splitting them into genres. The "all" will get replaced with links to the genres and a message to alter the footer to be more appropriate for each wiki. Each "genre" will get it's own sub page and a link to the "all" list. It would probably be best to only use 1 genre per wiki.

So, which genres? Action, Comedy, Drama, Mecha, Romance, Sports, Fan-Fiction, Science Fiction, Harem?????? --Sxerks 23:56, July 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend categorizing each into the primary genre which MyAnimeList has it listed under. That should give a manageable number of discreet, non-redundant entries. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)


 * MyAnimeList gives more than one genre though
 * M+W  Talk   02:12, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of those Anime have more than one genre. Perhaps Micheal's idea would be more suitable. - White Flash - (Talk) - 02:47, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I said, the primary genre listed. Although an alternative would be to multi-list them. Just throwin' ideas out, though. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Where is this primary list on MAL, I don't see it. anidb.net has categories though.--Sxerks 03:26, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I am for splitting the list into genres. But eventually the problem is that practically every animanga series isn't limited to one genre. For example, Bleach is more than supernatural. It has a fair part comedy and action in it that can't be ignored. MyAnimeList gives us specific genres on series, but like Sxerks said, there isn't/I can't see a primary genre on that site. What we could do, is decide on the primary genre ourselves, but naturally that's difficult, since an agreement isn't easily made. 13:07, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, never mind; I was mistakenly under the impression that the order of the genre list was indicative of some sort of priority, but apparently it's simply alphabetized. That said, we could still always list anime multiple times. Since each genre will only appear on this template once, anime that fit more than one of them could be listed under each genre they may be identified with. Using MAL's genres (or any other site's, for that matter) will still provide a distinct advantage: MAL, for example, classifies all anime into one or more of 43 genres, and manga into one or more of 45. This means that there won't be too much overlap between genres, and we'll avoid disputes on, as a random example I made up for demonstrative purposes only, "is mecha a distinct genre of sci-fi?", or "Are harem and romance really separate genres?". ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)


 * Well, if you put in genres like how Sxerks suggested, (Action, Comedy, Drama, Mecha, Romance, Sports, Fan-Fiction, Science Fiction, Harem) it will be convenient for people who are looking for specific animes/mangas based on genre. This is practical but it would be a headache to sort out everything. I mean, there are animes/mangas that fall into a lot of categories, (as Bereisgreat said) and if bulk is the issue it's not gonna solve anything (because a lot of animangas will appear in more than one genre, thus, multiplying in a sort of way. And again, if you want to solve the bulk the best way is to split them apart into separate footers or whatever (but how do we sort it?). If you want my opinion, I think it's easiest to sort them alphabetically. Divinecross 15:32, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think we can start off by sorting into "main category genres" even though some(if not all) series have multiple genres, just go for the main defining one. So, then which MAIN categories should we use, it should be less then ~10.--Sxerks 15:19, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

One of the list floating around "/a" has these 12 main categories: Action, Slice of Life, Romance, Comedy, Mystery, Drama, Mecha, Space Opera, Sport, Psychological, Fantasy, Sci-fi. And then some others: Adventure, Harem, mahou shoujo.
 * --Sxerks 00:47, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

A lot of animangas don't have a main, defining genre :/ I'm still not up to this. But, if everyone agrees, I think you should add some more general ones and other categories that are more useful. divinecross 05:15, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know they don't, I'm trying to find the most reasonable main genres to use at first. These genres are just for making the footer not so bloated, to find the actual genre breakdown you would have to use the drilldown list on the Hub, and that link will probably be in each footer as well.
 * All of the ~300 wikis listed don't have to be moved at once just the obvious ones. When looking up a anime like "Bleach" wikipedia has it listed as Action, and Bangsian fantasy, whereas MAL has Action, Comedy, Shounen, Super Power, Supernatural.  "Bangsian fantasy" isn't a good category, shounen is too generic and super power and supernatural are similar.  Bleach is primarily Action, and that action is Supernatural, there are also comedy and drama "elements".  So it would be put in Action, and later, if we do multiples Supernatural as well.
 * Minami-ke is listed as Comedy and Slice of Life, it fits both well, but it is primarily comedy. SoL isn't an easy genre to use.
 * Anyway we need to pick good categories, here is the start, which others should we use?


 * Template:Animangafooter/action
 * Template:Animangafooter/comedy
 * Template:Animangafooter/romance
 * Template:Animangafooter/sports
 * --Sxerks (talk) 16:29, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

OK, adding from the comments below:
 * Template:Animangafooter/adventure
 * Template:Animangafooter/horror
 * Template:Animangafooter/mystery
 * Template:Animangafooter/science_fiction
 * Template:Animangafooter/drama
 * Template:Animangafooter/mecha
 * Template:Animangafooter/fantasy
 * Template:Animangafooter/supernatural
 * --Sxerks (talk) 17:12, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would put in Fantasy and Horror in too. 16:32, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea. What about mystery-type (ex: Case Closed) and dramas? These websites have a list of popular genres and I think it can help us to an extent. Ryoga Godai  (talk)  12:28, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, added some more, now at 12. Those lists were pretty good, about 16 each, but how they have certain anime listed is odd.  Like Sailor Moon is under Fantasy but not shojo, Love Hina as a comedy, FMA as a drama, all the SoL they list are actually comedy.  It's still a little difficult to figure out which to use.  I don't think Parody or Erotic will be used at this time, and shonen/shojo probably fit under action/fantasy better, magic is a little too generic, and psychological and thriller I'm not sure about.


 * So, I think we can start, at everyone's leisure, just copy and remove line-items from Template:Animangafooter/temp to one of the 12 sub pages above. --Sxerks (talk) 17:12, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good. So, which category would InuYasha fall into? Adventure, Action or Fantasy? Ryoga Godai  (talk)  05:59, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've only seen 1 episode so I really couldn't say. I have a feeling that "action" is going to be the largest group, so if it's not constant battles like DBZ stay away from that genre.  I would probably go with fantasy for now, once they have all been moved, it will be easier to see whether we need more genres.--Sxerks (talk) 15:25, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can we add the "Sports" genre to the list. Series like Slam Dunk, Eyeshield 21, Giant Killing aren't really action, adventure or any of the above. It's just sports. 17:45, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is there, the 4th one.--Sxerks (talk) 18:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

May I please suggest Historical? Hakuoki, Versailles no Bara, Le Chevalier, Rurouni Kenshin, and a lot more animangas are historical. Divinecross 18:38, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably wait until most of the obvious ones have been moved, to see what odd ones are left before making new categories.--Sxerks (talk) 18:29, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that Sxerks removed all of the Wiki's on the Template:Animangafooter/temp list that were already listed on a sub-list. I suggest everyone who adds Wiki's to a sub-list reminds himself to do the same. 21:15, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Submission
Any chance of adding 'RIN: Daughters of Mnemosyne Wiki' to the footer? BlaineColdiron (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit the template and add the name of your wiki. Divinecross 15:46, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

=August=

Genres?
I don't like this idea because not every anime has an obvious primary genre to it. The feeling of anime tends to change over time, and it's not really an 'official' statistic, so people may dispute what that genre could be. It makes it a confusing thing to list.

I'd rather see it by more neutral criteria, like if we don't do it alphabetically (a tricky issue due to english vs. romaji spelling), perhaps we could do it by the date a series began?

That way we could have separate sections for 80s anime, 90s anime, 2000s, 2010s, etc. It should be the earliest date possible so in many cases we could go by manga as well. +Yc 03:00, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like your idea ^ Divinecross 10:58, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alphabetical doesn't work in this case. and date grouping would also be lopsided. just do your best to pick one genre and after they are all sorted we can review doing multiples.--Sxerks (talk) 13:34, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sxerks I think even with genres we're bound to get lopsidedness. Even supposing there were equal amounts of anime series in each major genre, there's no guarantee we'd have equal amounts of wikis about them. Correcting year lopsided-ness is easy. We can simply sailor the year range so that it is a larger range if there are fewer wikis for it, and for very busy years (like recent ones) we could do a category per year. +Yc 03:48, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Also, can't you put a collapsible in the footer? Just putting the links makes it hard to search for a Wiki and it isn't practical. If it's possible, some kind of headers with a collapsible that shows all genres should be put in there. 14:44, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure if collapsible tables or tabs work on a interwiki footer, will find out later, but even then it's a lot to load.--Sxerks (talk) 15:10, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Genres really just aren't neutral. If we look at something like Shiki, one might call it horror, but it's just as much a philosophy and romance and drama if you think about it.

If we're going to use them though, could we at least alphabetize them? +Yc 03:43, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Studio
Rather than genre or decade, what about an option for categorizing them on the basis of which studio developed them, in the case of major ones?

Also I really fear a lot of the wikis are simply being left out altogether in this transition. Shouldn't we make sure all wikis on the 'all list' are present under at least 1 genre before displaying any? As it is, wikis could be displaying the template but not benefitting from it. +Yc 03:46, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

=September=

Back
I think we should go back to alphabet. Divinecross 19:43, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. The alphabet allowed easier access to a vast majority of anime wikis, which if I'm not mistaken, was its purpose. -- Aassdddai  talk  11:38, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * The footer had too many links in it and was a mess. Alphabetical also doesn't work well with different names used for each Anime, like Ichigo Mashimaro vs Strawberry Marshmallow.--Sxerks (talk) 14:37, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

=October=

Okay
 Come to think of it, Alphabetically is the best way to do it. And it's easy for the human brain. We're not going to get anywhere with genres, I'm telling you. It's going to take forever sorting. Divinecross 14:06, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, only one anime in one genre. And, again, one giant list in the footer has too many links.--Sxerks (talk) 19:11, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Numbers?

 * Yes, yes. Either way, it's going to take us forever. As we previously argued about animes don't come in just one genre. It'd also take us forever to pick out that one genre we should take. You see here, the genre way loses out because it makes the navigation harder for readers - they can't really judge on which genre to find an anime because we've narrowed it down to one anime, one genre. It wouldn't really be beneficial for anyone, and it will just give us extra work and extra headache. Studio/company is also not really a good option, because there's too many here and too little there. Though alphabetical is not really of your interest, it's the cleanest, easiest and the most organized way to sort out the list. I think it would bring out the most balance.

If we keep on with genre, I'm telling you, we won't get anywhere. And it will be difficult to navigate - which means mission fail, and we really didn't accomplish anything. I've tried it out for myself. You click on the genres you expect the anime you're looking for to be in, and you don't find it. You really don't know which genre to look at, and to be frank it's really useless.

If we don't agree on the alphabet, numbers are always there. If someone knows of a sorting idea that involves numbers (because numbers can't change and there's no romaji-english spelling issues), aside from release date, we could use it. Divinecross 09:10, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

=December=

Coding an automatic link back to a wikia project's page on AniManga
Would there be a way for us to do that in the template? For example on the homepage for w:c:Kekkaishi below the animangaFooter I put a link to w:c:AniManga:Kekkaishi.

I'm not sure specifically how to code this. I think perhaps we could base it on the URL of the wikia project and link back to a page on AniManga corresponding to that URL.

The URL's text may not match the actual page there, but we could manually redirect it if need be, probably necessary for other terms.

Another option would be if there would be a way to detect when a page on AniManga links to a wikia project's homepage, and then create a link to whichever page does that. I am not sure if that could be done merely with coding though.

If not through direct coding, perhaps a bot could be programmed to manually go to every wikia project homepage that hosts the animanga footer and post a link to the AniManga page that links to it?

The reason I think this would be useful is because then people who edit these projects would be more aware of the corresponding AniManga overview page and come back to edit it more often.

Also if we could link to where the wikia project's stats are listed on the w:c:AniManga:Wikias list (the alphabetical headings) in the same way, that would also be useful since those usually need updating too. +Yc 20:06, December 23, 2012 (UTC)