Board Thread:Technical Updates/@comment-24006128-20200619175854/@comment-134861-20200624160937

> The new wikis period was the test period, allowing editors to try out the new platform.

I mean, the way FANDOM communicates this kind of stuff to users isn't really noticeable or great. I was barely aware that any change was coming, much less that it would change the editing process itself, and as far as I can tell the blog posts about UCP didn't communicate in any way that there would be changes to the core editing experience. It was made to sound as if it was pretty much just a change to the article comments/discussions features. None of the other editors in the communities that I've talked to seem aware of UCP either, and they are all fairly intense on wiki-editing. I realize that's a small sample-size, but it's the kind of thing I've seen each time there's been a major change like this.

> I even encouraged folks to try it on my UCP wiki.

The UCP wiki doesn't have content to interact with that I can find (Categories, Images, etc.). Most of the problems I've run into is stuff I couldn't have discovered on that wiki, as it requires actual content and editing, not just visual layout.

> We are unable to make test versions of all wikis on the new platform at scale.

I mean, yeah, that's part of the problem I'm saying. It just comes off as very anti-community, and that's a problem I've seen various wikis get very angry at in the past. The whole ethos of a wiki is a community building something together via consensus, and the way these changes are mandated instead comes off feeling like you're typical corporate shindig -- and I get that FANDOM is for-profit, but there's still a limit. I understand these things are difficult, but at a certain point, how many more huge communities like tfwiki or uncyclopedia are you guys willing to chase off? I mean, just look at Nathan's stuff above -- you can't claim that the changeover and how it would affect people was well-communicated, when you're getting stuff like that.

> Being out of sync with MediaWiki development prevented us from taking advantage of not only their advancements, but also those of extensions writers whose features required newer versions of MediaWiki. By updating the platform, we get both and provide a strong foundation for future development of our own without making extensive core customizations that would harm future update efforts.

I mean, I'm still confused on this, because a lot of the editor-experience changes seem to make us less like the mediawiki site. As I asked earlier, can you provide me with a link to a mediawiki site using the UCP-changes for my clarity?

> That list is not official, which is why it has not been amplified by staff.

Your list wasn't amplified either, as far as I can tell. As I said before, when I asked a specific question about how to fix stuff that the UCP changeover broke, I was just told to figure it out on my own. Nobody explained to me that I'd have to move my css over to the ucp wiki, change the import url code, none of that. Why is dev time being spent yelling at a frustrated editor above, instead of providing answers on how to fix this stuff?

(That being said, apparently something's still broken with how the css is handled now -- for some reason, the pseudomonobook code removes the page-level "edit" buttons on UCP wikis, something it didn't do on pre-UCP wikis, so I have to type in ?action=edit by hand. Any chance I could get a pointer on how to get this fixed?)