Board Thread:Support Requests - Community Management/@comment-3279487-20200311084717/@comment-24742240-20200313102738

Thank you Dark Yada for considering our requests!

Dark Yada a écrit: I don't see the harm in the idea, though it would be surely wrong to credit specifically Google Translate - it's the common translator we use, but after all Clara can use any other online translator, or even a French/Italian dictionnary. I think the best is to say that "This text has been translated, possibly using an online translator" which would sound accurate, and keep the general idea.

No problem on that, as long as the words "translated by an automatic translator" are present. It's good for us.

Dark Yada a écrit: Would specifying the file's history be enough for you? To me it's hard to precisely say "one editor has made this" in an easy way in wikitext, but the file history indirectly credits you. Unless there is a wikitext way I haven't thought about.

Quite simply, Clara can see if the file was imported by Koji or by myself. It is always the creator of the file who adds the file to the site. We would like it to do this for character outfits, sounds, cutscenes and combat footage. Simply because taking these images took us time and we invested in our own material. She can also, if she prefers, add the mention: Made by Koji and / or Alelm from Tekkenpedia FR.

Dark Yada a écrit: A deadline sounds fair enough because Clara has to edit 2600 images and 371 pages here; 15 days might be short, but we can provide a bot if necessary. But anyway if there is any technical issue, it would be easy to identify and to make a longer delay based on this. The idea of deadlines might be too complicated. However, when we can make sure everything has been done on all existing files and pages, and after that you still see there are copyright issues, then I'd say any complaints are legitimate; and if required I or Levi can make sure no copyright infringment should be remaining, so you know when the "flexible deadline" is over.

We insist on the deadline. In the past, Clara has already promised to do things she never did. This was also the case with Arbiteras. Also, we want to end this story as soon as possible. We offer a 15 days, today included. Of course if we see after this time that Clara has really done her best but has not finished, we will be understanding. Otherwise, and this is likely to happen, we will request the immediate deletion of the content and the blocking of Clara. For example, yesterday, instead of looking for a solution to the problem, Clara spent her time taking pictures on the site, we would have preferred her to be involved in solving this problem. Furthermore, by doing this, we would like her to be aware of the work that we have done over six years to add all our images (Extract the image, rename it, download it, place it on the site, add the license). So, we will not help Clara to do this. If necessary, we accept to create the banner.

Dark Yada a écrit: Well, it would be better if you report any issue in the future concerning your content not having a proper attribution to one either French or Italians Helpers anywhere in our Message Walls (I would prefer the French Community Central). I wouldn't mind mind to put some warnings and delete the unfairly taken content when required, but I don't think it would be efficient if you do it yourself as you don't have admin rights on Tekkenpedia-ita, while we have Helper Rights on the entire Fandom platform. It's easier for us to give warnings.

No problem, we will respect this rule. To tell the truth, we were not sure how to act with Clara. At first we really helped him, so we thought we could find a peaceful solution to this problem. We did not manage to do it, thank you for playing the mediators. Hoping that this whole story will end as soon as possible.

Dark Yada a écrit: Answering all this together: Clara0408, you should apply to yourself your own rules, and of course the Terms of Use and Fandom's licence. If Fan Art or Off Topic pictures have been taken, well I don't see the point of these being in there? All we can require for is to give proper credit, but... it's probably easier to delete them here, I don't see what purpose they could have honestly. So I'd ask Clara0408 to delete these images if they are really some of them, especially if these are never used in any content page. But of course, this takes time to refer any image not respecting the CC BY-SA terms; and we wouldn't be against a list of these images, so it's easier to delete these.

On this point, we will see if Clara is ready to cooperate. List the images would be long and we think it is up to Clara to do so, in fact, copying images without thinking is not the solution. We invite her to sort her images and come to us if she does not know who is the author. This is particularly the case for Twitter images or different logos.

Dark Yada a écrit: I get the idea and would agree in a perfect world, but in practice, any wiki in other languages can be created at any time and start translating content if they follow the licence policy of Fandom. It's true that you didn't ask Clara; but also, I think you should try to collaborate on the longer run, even if you disagree so much, as it would be ideal to find a way to merge all Italian wikis about Tekken. But this is not the question and we're far from it, it's just a broader perspective.

Other sites on Tekken sometimes asked us to take texts, we always accepted with pleasure. Out of respect for our work, they quoted us. Taking everything is very rude. It is important to respect the work of others. You have a colossal wikia, you know we put our hearts into it. In addition, it is out of the question for us to rework with Clara, she has gone far too far. However, it would be nice if a decision was made for a possible merger of the two Italian wikia so that we could position ourselves. As with the problem with us, Clara pretends to ignore the remarks on this.

Dark Yada a écrit: You are absolutely free to do any of this, but I'd never encourage to have three wikis in the same language on the same topic. As long as there are two of them, you can choose which one you want to work with.

Is it possible, on our own French wikia, to offer alternative pages in other languages?

Dark Yada a écrit: This one is a bit tricky; why does this matter really? A YouTube File on Fandom is basically a link, so it provides a proper attribution in itself. It also brings you views and promotes your wiki or your work, at least indirectly. I'm not sure what the issue is, but here you cannot delete them by yourself as you're not admin of Tekkenpedia-ita and it would surely be considered by Clara as Vandalism; so you can't "reserve that right". Is there anything specific you would want on videos to have better credits?

In fact we have our own Youtube channel with a lot of videos. Clara uses them on her site. To show our opposition, we could decide to delete / replace them which would leave on its site videos that do not work. All this shows that we too can harm it. But knowing its great attachment to the rules that govern Wikia I am convinced that she will cooperate now and we will not have to get there.

Dark Yada a écrit: For other things, it seems there is something you can agree on: you all want to build the best Italian wiki for Tekken.

Again, it would be interesting if a decision was made regarding the two Italian wikia.

Anyway, thanks Dark Yada again for your help. We are also waiting to read Clara about our requests.