Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-233706-20150624014033/@comment-8-20150628105501

Logs can't be altered. By that I mean the history of the page/comment and records of the content of deleted pages. Of course, you have to be careful that you are looking at the right thing - content before it's altered and so on. But if you look in the right place, just about everything is recorded and recoverable.

I can't answer the questions about what we consider to be "community agreement" because it's just too varied. For example, if there were a vote where the majority agreed the admin was a problem, but that majority was mainly made up of new contributors who appear to have come to the wikia just for that vote, I might decide to side with the minority. But if the complaint in the vote were about the admin's treatment of new users, then those newbie votes would look different and I might side with them. We look at each situation individually and assess it in the context of the complaint, the wikia, the participants, the wikia's culture, and so on.

Which leads to the next point I wanted to cover, the idea that it wouldn't take us long to investigate each dispute. That is simply not true. To really understand what's going on and the perspectives of both sides of an incident takes a lot of time, effort and care. A person involved might think that their case is obvious, but it often isn't from the perspective of a neutral party trying to understand it fully. And no, the evidence is not usually laid out fully. It's often incomplete, biased, and missing context. We certainly can't assume that it includes any links that make the reporter look bad, and that's if we are lucky enough to get links to start with. I've had complaints that don't even tell me what users and what wikia are involved!

On whether we get involved if an admin removes a page asking for their removal, 452 quoted me above. As I said, we will look, we may get involved.

(and I was determined not to get too involved in this thread too, bother)